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When do I ever like a scene where a dude is roofying a woman? But it works. Greetings and salutations, and welcome to another episode of Hack or Slash. We are a horror movie review podcast dedicated to telling you whether a movie is a hack.

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A total joke, a waste of time.

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Or slash. Totally killer, pun intended. My name is Chris. I'm your friendly neighborhood slasher enthusiast, and this week I'm joined by the Superfly Space Guy Mac.

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Hey everyone.

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The gore lover Alexis. Hey yeah. And the cowardly groeper Ryan. Hola muchachos. Now we have a lot of good stuff happening for you this week, but before we get into the movie that is on the billet, we have a little bit of follow-up regarding some polls we put out for our listeners. Alexis.

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Yeah, so this week we put out to everyone on what they thought about teeth. And so far, 60% thinks it's a slash.

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This is surprising. I don't feel good about that at all.

SPEAKER_01 1:03

Well, you might feel good about the next one because our final poll that came back last week was whether Brahms was daddy, and we had 71% say no. So this is better.

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All right. So Alexis, I think you were split vote on those polls, right? Because you thought Teeth was a slash and you thought that uh Brahms was hot. Sadly, yeah. Well, no, it's okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:27

It's okay. You have a lot of people who agree with you, clearly. Clearly, I do. 29% online.

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Keep in mind, folks, we typically do have some kind of poll up for most of our episodes. So as you're listening to the episode today, feel free to connect with us on our social media platforms. We do have those links in the show notes. This week we're covering yet another Stephen King adaptation, but this time one that actually ended up winning an Academy Award. This week we're talking about misery from the year 1990, the tale of an arrogant writer who crosses paths with his number one fan, and it doesn't really turn out the way you might hope it would. But who had seen this movie before? Me.

SPEAKER_01 2:06

You haven't? Why are you surprised by that? I don't know. I just think like I saw such a long time ago, and it's such like it has an iconic scene. I thought everyone thought saw it. Sorry.

SPEAKER_04 2:15

Oh, interesting. I don't I don't even know what the iconic scene is. I never heard of this movie. Nothing.

SPEAKER_03 2:20

So having seen it now, she still doesn't know what the iconic scene is.

SPEAKER_04 2:24

Which is kind of sad. Sorry. I like some scenes.

SPEAKER_00 2:27

Cannot wait to talk about it.

SPEAKER_04 2:28

But you know, iconic is uh deemed by other people, not me. True, true.

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Oh, goodness gracious. So of course this movie stars Kathy Bates and James Can. Kathy Bates playing, of course, the number one fan, a woman who has really come into her own and built an incredible career uh both in and out of horror. Uh Ryan, you didn't know anything about this movie. What did you expect it to be about?

SPEAKER_04 2:52

Well, I unintentionally read the description and uh in iTunes, which I'm always sad about, you know, trailers, descriptions, I don't want any parts of it. So the description was like, uh, this is a movie about a woman that takes care of somebody. And uh let me tell you, it's a movie about a woman that takes care of someone. Wow. Really, how else could you describe it?

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Also taking care of business. Yeah, something like that. So, Mac uh Alexis, you both have seen this movie. Did you watch it several times? Did you just watch it back when it came out?

SPEAKER_00 3:20

I don't think I watched it when it came out because I would have been way too young when it first came out. But I think I've watched this at least once in every decade uh that I was old enough to watch it. So I've seen it a few times, I guess you could say. So much that um I'm like waiting for things to happen as I'm watching it. But yeah, this is one of those classic movies with an iconic scene that Ryan doesn't even know about yet that you just have to see a couple times in different parts of your life.

SPEAKER_01 3:43

Yeah, I definitely remember not watching it because I would have been like a few months old.

SPEAKER_03 3:47

Um 11 to be exact. That was negative four.

SPEAKER_01 3:51

But it this was definitely one of the few movies that I remember, and I think I've said it a few times before. Maybe like when watch Ped Cemetery that I've watched with my grandma, like at her house. This is like a typical, like, watch it with my abuela kind of movie. Classic Alexis's grandma. Gotta love that every time.

SPEAKER_03 4:06

We got Alexis's grandma and Alexis' mom are two totally different people, but they have very distinct personalities on this show.

SPEAKER_01 4:13

Yeah. My grandma's very like classic horror. My mom's very, I don't even know my mom's style. She's just out there. Teeth is your mom's style. My mom probably voted on that on multiple accounts and created lots of egg uh egg avatars in there. Yeah, but it's so funny because watching it for today, I realized I hadn't seen it in a long time, at least enough to like comprehend a lot of the character development and just a lot of stuff that's going on in the movie, which I really appreciated watching it now and not seeing it in a few years. I can't recall the last time I watched it, but I do know what happens and I always remember what happens.

SPEAKER_03 4:48

It is amazing to me that this came out in November of 1990. And I watched it a few times when I was younger. I watched it, I want to say when I was like 22 or so. And it gets better every single time in the sense that I'm picking up things and like sensing things that I just hadn't even considered before. And yet somehow I still find myself on the edge of my seat every time. And I think maybe I haven't seen it quite as often enough as as Mac has, where you're waiting for certain things to happen. For me, it's just that one iconic scene where I'm like, man, when's that thing gonna happen? I feel like we should we've already passed this point. But I will say it was tense. It was tense and it was more tense than I I expected to be. And especially when you look at it being just an adaptation of Stephen King, it gave me a totally different feeling from uh from it. A totally different feeling from uh Pet Cemetery. It's just it's nuts. I don't I don't know how to explain it, but uh, how do you guys feel while watching it, Ryan? Starting with you, I mean you hadn't seen it before.

SPEAKER_04 5:46

Yeah, I was super intrigued. Um, I think like some of the dynamics in this movie are really interesting, especially with the woman holding the man hostage. I think you get a different feeling as a woman watching a movie like that, and then um you know, just a lot of anticipation trying to figure out where things were gonna go. There's a lot of different like personalities happening, and you never quite know which direction it's gonna go at that time. Um, so I was super intrigued the whole time watching this movie.

SPEAKER_01 6:16

Yeah, I definitely was too. It was a slow burn a little bit in the beginning, but that's what it's what is expected from something that's Stephen King, even though a lot of people have redone it. But I have to admit, like this is this one, Carrie, and then um it are definitely like my favorite remakes. All the rest of them are kind of trash, but this is definitely really thrilling just to see following the characters and all this sort of stuff, and just seeing, like Ryan said, where everything goes.

SPEAKER_00 6:42

It's a fun watch. It's kind of like if you've if you've seen a play, like uh, I don't know, like Mc Macbeth, like several times with different people, you know, playing different characters, and then you see another one that comes out and you're just like, you know what's gonna happen, um, but you're still on the edge of your seat watching them portray this. So it's like, yeah, I've I've seen this you know several times and I'm like waiting for certain scenes, but I'm still like sweating almost as much as uh James Can was in in one of the scenes. Um not nearly that much.

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Nice.

SPEAKER_00 7:07

That was that was a lot of sweat, but it was it was a lot of fun to watch, and I did have a few times where I needed to like get up and change the laundry, and I was like, I I'll just I'll just wait. I'm not gonna hit pause, I'm just gonna wait. That's all I did too today.

SPEAKER_01 7:19

I was like, no, because the dialogue is so good in this that you don't want to miss it.

SPEAKER_00 7:22

Right. Yeah I mean we do have a pause button, yeah, but I was like, no, the pause button can can be paused because I'm just watching this and I'm in the zone right now.

SPEAKER_04 7:30

Can we talk about pause buttons for a second? That it can be paused. Yes. Um, so unfortunately, they removed this movie from uh Showtime slash Amazon Prime situation today uh as I was going to watch it.

SPEAKER_03 7:46

So I'm so sorry.

SPEAKER_04 7:47

I know, I know. So I watched this on YouTube in uh 22 parts, which means like every five minutes it paused and like either went to the next video clip, which took a second, or like hit me with a Sephora commercial. How long did it take you to watch? It didn't take like that much longer. It wasn't that bad, but I will say I'm sure that my experience would have been better. Not to say that it was terrible. I mean it was it was better than buying it, but yeah, there were some pauses for me. So I I there were definitely a few times where I got distracted, but I wish I was like locked into it.

SPEAKER_03 8:20

It's not like pause for emphasis.

SPEAKER_04 8:23

Yeah, that's when it paused in like some of the final scenes. I was like, what are we doing? I can't stop right now. I need this to keep going.

SPEAKER_00 8:31

This is like the experience of watching a movie on TV.

SPEAKER_04 8:34

It was literally like watching a movie when I was, you know, 15, 10.

SPEAKER_03 8:39

Man, YouTube, thanks for taking it back. Right. But also shout out to that free movie. I feel so guilty because you know, we're talking about where to find this movie streaming. I found it on the very last day it was possible to stream on Showtime without buying the movie. And uh I hit up that free Showtime trial with my Amazon Prime account, and mere hours later, Ryan asks for it. I'm like, oh yeah, it's there. Wait, no, it's not. It's literally February 29th, it's gone. I was like, dude, I'm I'm I'm good at technology, it's not here. I am so sorry. I am so sorry, but I don't know how if if this is gonna surprise you guys or not. Are you Alexis, Ryan, Mac, I'm sure you already know. Are you familiar with who directed this film? Nope.

SPEAKER_01 9:24

He did a lot of movies back during this time, I know.

SPEAKER_03 9:27

He for sure did.

SPEAKER_01 9:28

I did a little research, but The Princess Bride? Yes, yes, yes, yes.

SPEAKER_03 9:32

It surprised me in retrospect looking back. You know, I'm thinking about like when Harry met Sally, all that good stuff. I'm thinking about these movies that were so hilarious, and then looking at this one, and it's just the polar opposite. And again, I think that's kind of what we're seeing now with, you know, like famous players like Jordan Peel, right? Looking getting into horror. If you can master comedic timing, then you can master suspense and atmosphere. I I would say that it it surprised me the most looking back on it, but now it makes total sense. What did you guys find surprising about this movie?

SPEAKER_01 10:01

Um, I thought there were some parts that were actually funny when it goes to the dialogue between the sheriff and the sheriff's wife. Oh my gosh. Just some I mean, there's just a lot of one-liners in here between Kathy Bates and that couple that I just think is witty, entertaining, but also creepy when it's coming from Kathy Bates. I am your number one fan. I totally agree.

SPEAKER_04 10:23

I laughed, like, you know, a chuckle out loud a couple of times. And I'm I'm not usually the type of person that reacts to movies very much in in that way. Um, I the I loved that old couple. Like they were like one of the best parts. Every time they showed them on screen, I was like, Oh yeah, give me more of that. Like the uh riding with a hand on the leg, and then when you're in this car, you're not my wife, you're my deputy.

SPEAKER_03 10:47

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 10:48

And then she was like, Well, this deputy just wants to be in bed with the sheriff. I was like, girl, I like that. You did Virginia.

SPEAKER_00 10:54

They're the part that actually surprised me as well, but not because of how how cool they were uh and fun to watch, but kind of because I just never really paid attention in past viewings to some of the some of the other characters. Like those two I've totally totally forgot about. Uh the pig, I totally forgot about, and I don't even know how you can forget about the pig.

SPEAKER_03 11:13

You know what I love about the pig? The fact that the pig is is um billed and credited as herself for Misery the Pig.

SPEAKER_04 11:20

As if this pig's name is actually Misery the. I forgot about the pig in the middle of the movie, like after the first scene, and then it came back. I was like, oh yeah, I forgot there's a pig here. It's just so like obscure.

SPEAKER_03 11:31

The pig is surprising, and I too was surprised by it. And I love that you brought up how uh funny the sheriff and the deputy are, because there are moments even that uh that James Can, you know, he's looking he's in this movie, he's charged, he's in bed most of the time, and that's a fairly big burden to take on. If you know, think about this. You're a dude in the 90s gonna star in a film, and you know you're probably gonna be overshadowed by Kathy Bates. Um, but even he has some zingers of some solid comedic moments in there. I think what really was an exceptionally well is with all that comedy, it actually blended itself well to the amount of fear that's in this. Now, this is a thriller, right? It's it's very kind of like on the outskirts of horror. It's more like a thriller suspense kind of deal. But I will say that the the amount that it kind of gets into my in under my skin and into my nerves. It's it's super unsettling. Did you guys find this frightening or yeah, intense at all?

SPEAKER_04 12:33

I found this was kind of like I don't know how to describe it. It was like unique. Like in some ways I felt like it was a little bit like slow at the beginning. And then there was this horror building, but it wasn't like I was as stressed out as I feel like I normally am during movies like this. And I don't know if it's because the character being restrained is a man and not a woman, and maybe I didn't relate in that way. So it was like I was afraid, but not like like my heart rate didn't change, you know, like I wasn't physically stressing out over this movie. Um, I would I I wouldn't say it's scary other than the idea of just being like stuck in somebody's house, which is horrifying.

SPEAKER_01 13:14

I thought it was definitely tense. There were some scenes, especially they're in every movie. The person tries to escape and it keeps cutting between the other person coming back. You root for him, but then you don't. Like there's just like this kind of like you see it and you're like, crap, he can't even fit through the door. Like this, like crap. Then uh then you're like, oh crap, he has to go back, or he's causing himself more pain to get out of an uncomfortable situation than to actually just go then stay where he's at. So it's kind of like that back and forth. So I think there are definitely some tense scenes for me for sure.

SPEAKER_00 13:46

Oh, the tension was thick in this one for for sure. I don't know about scary. I think the the concept is scary because I don't know, within the last two months I was in a hospital bed for like a solid week unplanned, and you can't really do anything, and you're just watching crappy TV.

SPEAKER_04 14:03

He didn't even have a TV.

SPEAKER_00 14:04

Well, he didn't have a TV and he can hear a TV. He can hear a TV, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 14:08

That's arguably worse.

SPEAKER_00 14:10

I had my phone, but I couldn't really like charge it easily. You know, it charges all the way across the wall, and I have to get the nurse to help me out of bed. And so I related to this very strongly. It was not a fun reminder of the time in the house. The time of the hospital was great. You know, the the food was good once I was able to eat food and all that kind of stuff. But like the reminder of like what it's like to just be like laid out and you can't really get up and you have to ask for help, just like not a place I want to be in life ever again.

SPEAKER_01 14:36

And then the help you get is really shitty.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:40

I will say to uh uh about my nurses, they were fantastic, they were very helpful and they would just run in the second I needed anything. But if I had a nurse like this, oof, oof, it would have been so much worse. I don't want to do that.

SPEAKER_03 14:53

Beyond the surface level of this movie, I think there's some really interesting commentary on control of artists, right? And and what you do and what you put out in the world. Is it yours or it does it belong to the fans? And I think I was reminded more of this, right? This movie comes out in 1990, late 90s is when we get the resurgence of Star Wars. And look at how much people put out there now, right? People who want to go back and unwrite what George Lucas has written, uh, people who just slam on any movie saying insisting that they could have done it better. What do you what do you guys think about that?

SPEAKER_00 15:26

Sometimes they're right. You know, like the last uh season of of Game of Thrones, sometimes the sometimes the fans can be correct and the people making the product are just wrong and should feel bad. But that being said, it's you know, when you're an artist and you're creating and you're writing or directing or you're putting you know pen on paper or or ink on on canvas or whatever it is, you know, like that's yours. And if other people disagree, cool, that's their reaction to it. That's kind of how they feel about it. But to say that you should be able to control the person creating, nah, I don't know, I don't know about that. Even if they're wrong, just they have to be wrong. Yeah, and sometimes they'll learn, and sometimes they won't, and sometimes studios will continue to employ them to make new properties for uh for Star Wars uh stuff, and that just upsets me. All I'm saying, the Game of Thrones guys just know they should be cut.

SPEAKER_04 16:14

That's a perfect example. Remember when there were all those like circles in the snow, and it was like an overhead shot at the end of an episode, and then they literally never explained it, and we all just still don't know what that is. It was great. It was a great experience.

SPEAKER_03 16:28

I uh be very vulnerable and admit I didn't watch Game of Thrones. I have no idea what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_04 16:34

I already knew that was coming.

SPEAKER_00 16:35

Well, so Game of Game of Thrones was a great ride over like 10 years, and I really enjoyed it, and I don't feel bad about having watched it, but when you make it to the end of a long series or long novel, whatever it is, and then you're completely disappointed.

SPEAKER_03 16:47

Oh, I felt the same way about both Glee and Pretty Little Liars. Oh yeah, pretty little liars for sure, for sure.

SPEAKER_00 16:54

So I can I can understand how the antagonist feels in you know in this in this movie and in the novel. I can I can understand how they feel, but that being said, I'm not gonna like tie anyone down to a chair and be like like undo this, like remake everything.

SPEAKER_03 17:09

I mean, honestly though, I think it'd be really interesting. I don't think that you can remake this movie the same way that it was made, you know, for Stephen King's work. But I I I definitely think there could be an interesting approach to this in modern day, um, specifically within the confines of like a one-on-one aggression obsession. I don't know, man. Like, I I feel like for me, I I felt that level of frustration when the Halloween were remade the first time around. But Star Wars is one of those things where I'm like, oh man, that is an interesting choice that was made. Like, okay, there's a certain kiss that happens in the latest movie between two characters. I'm like, no, I don't like it, but also like it's not my movie. I just enjoy the product, and that's it, and I'm okay with that and a piece with that. And I think this movie goes to really interesting extremes in looking at the other side of that. This movie is interesting. This movie is quite the discovery. But how did you guys feel about the ending? Would you feel like it was complete? Oh, I'm a big fan.

SPEAKER_04 18:10

I liked the action of the ending, and I liked the very last bits that they gave us that a lot of times are super controversial of whether it's sequel baiting or something like that. I really, I really thought it was done well. Um, I think like with the way the movie went, it it was on par perfectly with the rest of the tone of the movie.

SPEAKER_03 18:32

This is really interesting. Really? Yeah, I just didn't know, and maybe it's because of like you had Russian subtitles. Like I just wasn't expecting that kind of reaction from you.

SPEAKER_04 18:39

Oh yeah, I totally forgot to tell you guys I had Russian subtitles on YouTube. Russian subtitles and every five minutes, an ad.

SPEAKER_03 18:47

You won't pay top dollar for that kind of education.

SPEAKER_04 18:50

Hey man, I kept looking at it to see, like, you know, when you kind of don't hear something and subtitles are on, so you like look at it and it was not although I'm not gonna lie, I kind of picked up on some things.

SPEAKER_00 19:02

This is how a lot of uh a lot of people learn English, you know, it's from watching English movies with subtitles on them.

SPEAKER_04 19:08

Yeah, I get it.

SPEAKER_00 19:08

So yeah.

SPEAKER_04 19:09

Here I am. Day one Duolingo. Here we go.

SPEAKER_01 19:13

Um, I love the ending. I looking back, there's nothing really I changed. And I mean, I just love the action um was great. I mean, especially when you know it's a Stephen King, so you're like, am I gonna get any action in this movie or not? But um, no, I loved it, and I love the play on the end. Um, there's some stuff towards the end of the movie that like you end up finding out about Kathy's Bates character um that I really appreciated too. That gave some backstory. And sometimes I'm a fan of backstories, and sometimes I'm like, it didn't make sense. Why did you do it? Yep. Yeah, so but this one was like perfect, it just like kind of wrapped everything up a little bit, um, and you just gave it a little bit of mystery to her as well.

SPEAKER_00 19:55

Such a good ending. Such a good I'm so happy with the entire movie. The ending was really good. It's kind of cool that in the novel they had a a slightly different ending um in term of in terms of one decision uh that uh that a character makes. Um that is not really like super consequential, but I just find it interesting that they changed that one decision in the movie, and like they both still work really well. So in the spoiler section, we can we can talk about it, of course, specifically. It's really just like a minor thing.

SPEAKER_04 20:23

I can't wait to hear.

SPEAKER_00 20:24

Yeah, I mean, but like this whole thing was like so well executed, and so it had a really satisfying ending. You can like you know, just the second the credits hit, you're just like, Yeah, good job. Thank you, thank you for doing it that way, and not some other ridiculous way.

SPEAKER_01 20:38

Mac, did you read the book?

SPEAKER_00 20:39

I I did not read the book.

SPEAKER_01 20:42

So, how did you know?

SPEAKER_00 20:43

I just know things. I'm not a big reader, I love reading, I just never have time for it. I have a collection of like 200 books I've just never read.

SPEAKER_03 20:50

I know, I feel you. Like Pet Cemetery, I listen to the audiobook. That kind says reading it. I do that for the shiny. It's true. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:56

I think uh I think they're processed by the same part of the brain.

SPEAKER_04 20:59

So well, there we go. Hey, oral traditions have been around for a long time. Oral storytelling, so here we go. Yeah, they have. There you go.

SPEAKER_03 21:06

Oh, Alexis, you dirty bird.

SPEAKER_00 21:08

Hey, if you're if you're like one of those like neuropeople and like and I'm wrong, like please correct me, you know, come at me, bro, on Twitter or or whatever. But um I don't know. That's just how I feel about it. I think if you're listening to it, it's as if you read it. It took the same amount of time, right? Or longer.

SPEAKER_01 21:24

I feel like when you see stuff, you retain it better, but it's also they say that if you write too.

SPEAKER_03 21:29

But we're all different. Special little snowflakes.

SPEAKER_04 21:33

As always, I'm not trying to retreat retain Stephen King novels. I just want to hear them and let them go.

SPEAKER_03 21:37

Well, I mean, that's pretty fair considering the emotional depth and weight that a lot of his stuff can have. Because man, some of it just really bums you out. There's a lot left to unpack about this movie, but before we get into our ratings, Alexis, how many people died in this movie? Oh, whopping two. We have two deaths in this movie. Crazy. Bogo deal for misery. And Ryan, how How many of the souls that perished in this film were of the animal variety?

SPEAKER_04 22:04

Uh fortunately, our animal report is clean this week. Uh we even have some unique appearances, but no uh no harm.

SPEAKER_03 22:13

Fantastic, fantastic. Well then let's go ahead and get into the raiding misery from 1990, starring Kathy Bates. Was it a hack or was it a slash?

SPEAKER_01 22:22

It was a slash for me. This is a really simple movie, mostly taking place in a house between two people where it didn't need plot twist or some crazy twist ending or anything like that to make it a truly good movie, and it really points out what good character development can do and what great acting can do as well. So yep, make it a slash for me.

SPEAKER_04 22:44

Man, I'm gonna have to uh ride that boat with Alexis if you'll let me on. It's it's totally a slash. Um, this is like one of those movies, it's definitely old, right? Like, so it's a a bit dated for us, 30 years old. Wow. And I understand that you guys are 30 years old, but for a movie, I'm just saying if it was a movie from 88, we'd be like, oh, it's kind of an old yeah. So anyway, I stand by that.

SPEAKER_03 23:08

Chris Rojas, you think, oh, prime of the life right there.

SPEAKER_04 23:11

Hey, I mean, kind of, yeah, movies don't age as well as people, but this doesn't require a lot of like ignoring silly things going on, as some, you know, 30 plus year old movies do. I think that the small cast is really successful, just like Alexis was saying. The story takes some turns, but it's nothing crazy. It's nothing like, oh, this is outlandish, and now I'm like not I'm out of this movie. Like you, you're kind of locked in the whole time, just like just like our boys locked into that bed. I think it's a really good movie. And I I didn't know what to expect going in. Well, when I read the description, I was like, Are you joking me? I have to watch a movie about somebody taking care of another person. How can this be possible? And it turned out really good. I'm really surprised and I'm really thankful. So that's a slash.

SPEAKER_00 23:53

I'm gonna add on to that. I'm also thankful that you're thankful, first of all. Get on the boat, come on. I'm on the boat. So that yeah, this is an iconic slash. This is a gold-clad iconic slash. It's just a great movie based on a good story from a good novel with solid actors. And I think what's interesting to me is like I think this was like Kathy Bates, like, first big break, if I remember correctly. So it's kind of cool that she did such a like a stellar job in this movie and then won an award immediately for it. Didn't have to wait. There was no like delay, they just recognized like, dang, you got skill. So this, yeah, this this this movie is a fantastic watch that if you haven't watched it, you should be watching it right now. And if you have watched it, like, you know, put it on the calendar, watch it every year, watch it every 10 years, like probably like I do. I think I've watched it in my teens, my twenties, and my thirties. So I I think I'm pretty good. And then in a couple years, I'll turn 40, then I'll watch it in my 40s, and I'll be square.

SPEAKER_04 24:45

How offensive is it that they took this movie off of like all like there's it's not available in a streaming service right now.

SPEAKER_00 24:52

Does that mean they're gonna remake it or make a sequel though?

SPEAKER_03 24:54

Ugh, I don't think so. I think it just means, hey, pay money to see a good movie. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 24:59

You have to buy it. I can't even rent it on iTunes. Yeah, I have it. If anyone wants to see it, you have it now.

SPEAKER_00 25:06

You know what? If it's 10 bucks, I think it's 10 bucks well spent if you've never seen the movie. Like get two or three other people with you in the room, have your own movie theater experience, pop that popcorn, sweat a little, sit on the edge of your seat, you know. You it's worth it.

SPEAKER_03 25:20

Chris, are you joining our boat? Well, see, here's where it comes into play. I I first want to at least shout out our boy Paris, who's not with us tonight. Uh, he texts me saying, Man, Misery Chastain is a great drag name.

SPEAKER_02 25:33

And uh I feel like that's 100% accurate.

SPEAKER_03 25:36

And I'm saying that to buy myself a little bit more time because when I think about it, right, when I really just like clear the air, look at like what this show is all about, you know, was this a total joke, a waste of time, or totally killer? And the fact that this is a thriller puts it in an interesting category for me because I love horror, but oftentimes it's difficult for me to see eye to eye on thriller. And then you know, Ryan, you bring up an interesting point. If I were to recommend this to someone today, I'd have to say spend 10 to 14 or 15 dollars on iTunes, Amazon, wherever to buy this movie. So commit to ownership before you've seen it. And I I think that's a pretty bold move. But like Mac, I think it's whilst money well spent. This is absolutely a slash. Tease. Okay, can't stand. I had to keep you guessing in some way. Um, this movie is absolutely a slash. Are you kidding me? Kathy Bates won an Academy Award for her performance in this film, something that I didn't know but learned uh during the production of this episode, which is very exciting. And when you look back, it it's a movie that just keeps getting better every time. It she portrays a woman who is over the top, but honestly, some of the fanboy culture in today's society is also over the top, so I get it. Um it builds suspense, and there is actually you know, I found myself watching this last night, and there's a moment in this movie where I hit the space bar, it hit pause because I was like, Alright, I need to just take a break. Like I need to just breathe. And uh had to like go ref refill my water and just get refocused back into it because I found myself in a moment of tension that I hadn't been since L Hellhouse LLC when I saw that for the first time. So I think that says a lot about this movie, and it's a hundred percent something I'd recommend. And there you have it, folks. Misery in the good year 1990, earned a universal slash on our show. Now, there's still a lot left to say. We have to talk about that iconic scene that Ryan somehow still doesn't know what it is. No idea. It's confusing to me, but that's okay. Uh, so join us in the second half and we'll uh we'll uh pull the bull from over her eyes.

SPEAKER_00 27:50

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SPEAKER_03 28:10

All right, welcome back. Misery from the good year 1990 has earned a universal slash, and this is surprising considering Ryan had to watch it five minutes at a time with Russian subtitles. Now before we get into why Ryan liked this so much, and why we hear, of course, about Mac and Alexis' stellar taste in film. Alexis, what's up with the gore score?

SPEAKER_01 28:32

Well, we're going back to 1990 and a movie that really only has two well, not really, it does have two kills. So my thing is when I want to talk about the gore. I want to kind of talk about like one iconic scene, but before that, like just there's a kill where he gets blown up in the stomach, which I think is pretty cool. But then like this guy who got into a car accident, like the makeup for that looks so good. The legs were like crazy, like I'm like, oh my god, she can't move those. But I think when I'm thinking about gore for this, I'm not even thinking like blood and guts, like saw. I'm thinking of more of the things this guy goes through to like try to escape. So you can see the pain, um, but you necessarily can't see it in a bloody and guts way. Would you guys agree?

SPEAKER_00 29:16

I would agree. As as someone who's had like leg surgeries before, recent abdominal surgery, like it you can tell when it hurts on him, and I'm like, you just don't even think about it watching because it's portrayed so well. And when you do see visuals like of his legs or of an a scene we'll get to, you're like, oh god, it looks, it looks, it looks good. We just gotta say that. There's not a lot. I think it's it's pretty like acute, but what they do show, you feel it.

SPEAKER_04 29:40

Yeah, you definitely feel it. Oh, yeah. And got a little gory with that fight. Yeah, it did for sure. When her face was like busted up.

SPEAKER_03 29:47

Yeah. Yeah, gory stuff for me. A, the look at the legs, they're disgusting. But B, the surprise shotgun blast to the sheriff at the top of the stairs. Yes, I was so sad. Yeah. It was so sudden. And I think that movie shocked me in such a way that if it's not as gory as it actually is, but the suddenness of it, it just I feel like it makes it feel more gory as you look at it. Yeah, I like that.

SPEAKER_01 30:09

Yeah, it's definitely the use of something other than like, you know, let's I I mean, I I I like this sort of time when they did horror and did that because they're not like, oh my gosh, how gross can we make this that people just want to look away and everything like that. That wasn't the case in this. So it was just like, let's make the people feel probably what this person is feeling. Yeah, it also doesn't feel like nerfed for like, you know, an older movie.

SPEAKER_04 30:30

Like a nerf gun.

SPEAKER_00 30:31

Uh yeah, like applying a softening effect.

SPEAKER_04 30:34

Yeah, nerfed as in like just totally like there they tried to remove all the gore where like some older movies we've seen, it's like a theoretical chopping of a head and then like a basketball rolling down a road, you know, like stuff like that. Yeah, it's not it's not nerfed. I don't know why I'm using that word today, but yeah, it's okay, I like it. It's like somewhere in between that like we're trying to be super gory and like we don't want to show you the bad stuff. It's somewhere in the middle and it works well.

SPEAKER_00 30:58

They weren't using it for gore's sake, they were like using it when it was appropriate for the story, which was good.

SPEAKER_01 31:03

It's like pretty real gore.

SPEAKER_00 31:05

Like oh yeah, the quality was so high.

SPEAKER_01 31:07

Yeah. So on the next subject, let's do it. What do you think is the iconic scene?

SPEAKER_04 31:11

Well, again, I had no idea there was an iconic scene because I hadn't I didn't know anything about this movie. I'd never even heard of it. So as I've as we started this episode, I've been thinking about it, and it has to be the hammer to the ankles. The hobbling.

SPEAKER_03 31:26

No, actually, it is the burning of the book. What? Yeah. Sorry to break it to you.

SPEAKER_04 31:31

All right, whatever. Damn, girl, played yourself. But yeah, that scene was like, I turned away. I was stressed. I was like, oh no.

SPEAKER_01 31:39

I think it's crazy because they deliver it on the first one. And you're like, is she really gonna do this though? Or maybe she's like, and then you're like, no, this bitch is crazy.

SPEAKER_04 31:47

That was one of the like first, like super intense things that she did. Like she was being weird and doing, you know, weird stuff at first. I'm not like physically hurting him unless like I'm missing something. And then she straps him down and just blop in that freaking ankle just goes all the way to the other side. And then you don't see the other one, but you just like see his face. Is it bad that I kind of wanted to see the other one? Well, once we saw the first because at first I wasn't expecting it, and then when you see the first one, I was like, oh my god. And then the second one, I was like, Oh man, they took it from us.

SPEAKER_01 32:16

Or just see them both like in.

SPEAKER_00 32:18

You know what's cool is they used like gelatin legs for that with wire, so that when it happened, you would see it like snap like that.

SPEAKER_01 32:24

Oh, that's interesting. Yeah, that's really interesting.

SPEAKER_00 32:27

What a great shot though. Oh man.

SPEAKER_03 32:29

All I'm saying is for a woman who was uh that upset about cursing, she knows way too much about fucking people up.

SPEAKER_04 32:36

Oh, well, you know, when she gets crazy, then the words come out. Would you guys say that the hobbling was your favorite scene in the movie?

SPEAKER_00 32:43

Yes, for sure.

SPEAKER_04 32:44

I have to say, like a scene that maybe would get overlooked or something is the very beginning opening sequence. The song playing in the background is Shotgun by Junior Walker and the All-Stars, and like the song is so good. And then I think it's setting this like I I literally was like, Are we driving to the hotel in the shining? But also this is about to be a good 70s movie. Like, what's happening here? That's not a 70s song, but you know, it was just this cool scene, like there's a little bit of sequence at the beginning, and then just driving through in this awesome Mustang. I love old cars, and he's like, I'm like, also a terrible car to drive through the snow. Like for sure, he was asking for that accident. And then it all goes off the rails, literally. And I love that whole scene all put together and with the music and everything.

SPEAKER_01 33:26

I really liked that. That was like one of my favorite scenes, but like I think my favorite has to be like the first time like she goes off on him. And because you at first you're like, Oh yeah, she's really trying to help him. Like, she's really like found him, and she's just trying to nurse him back to health, and like she's like, Yeah, I'll call this person, like, I'll make sure I do this. But then it slowly gets weirder and weirder. But then at the point where she like seriously just starts screaming at him, my favorite thing would have to be like it's just on her, and like Kathy Bates just does an amazing job, like bringing out this like rage in this person. Um, but also the music coupled with it is like terrifying to me. Like, I hate that like I might have said this on the podcast already, but like anything with like violins or like high screeching noises like that, like freak me out. Janet Jackson Velvet Rope. I literally, my cousins, we did shows like in front of our family. I'm sure everyone's done then, but like and my cousin wanted to do that song, and I had to cover my ears because I was like getting freaked out. Hey Chris, do you know what that is? It's that's some white people shit. That's a Midwest shit, honestly. Yes, that's Midwest shit. Uh-huh. We'd also, as weird as this sounds, whenever my grandparents bought us clothes, my well, my grandma bought it for us. When we come back, we'd all all have to do like a fashion show for my grandpa. He's like, Why the fuck did she spend?

SPEAKER_04 34:47

Chris, do you want to say it one more time for us?

SPEAKER_03 34:50

Once again, ladies and gentlemen, that is the epitome of some midwest shit.

SPEAKER_00 34:56

Well, you Chris, what'd you think of what'd you think of the hobbling? Is it your favorite with the the way the music cues up and she's setting up the stage?

SPEAKER_03 35:03

Let's just break this down here. It is iconic, and I do love it. It is, you know, very similar to you guys. It's a moment where I had to look away. It is not, though, my favorite moment in the movie. There are two moments that are trying to hide for me in very subtle ways, and I think it's because it shows an incredible amount of restraint and control from James and Kathy. One, when she is slowly revealing like she's taking care of him, he's just come back, or he just, you know, gained consciousness and she admits to having followed him. And it's like he's still in this stupor where it's like not even a thing that actually phases him, but it's the first taste of this bitch is insane. Yeah. That's early on. But then when you look at this movie and you look at how she has to slip from mood to mood to mood, from zero to a hundred and fifty at the drop of a hat. When we look at the moments when she explodes, it thinks, okay, cool, yeah, she's definitely dominating this performance. This is why she won her Academy Award. But we look at James, and he has to be a dude playing a dude who's pretending to feel a certain type of way when obviously he's in excruciating amounts of pain, but also pretending to feel other feelings for her. And there's a lot of complexity there, right? So my favorite moment comes when he's about to drug her. Yes. I knew you were gonna say dinner. Yes, he gets it into the wine and one clumsy mistake, and he's just fixated on it. And it takes everything in his will to just regain that composure and carry on with the night. When he has worked a long ass time to get to that point, that was a sweet and terrible moment all at once, and I think it defines this type of movie. I'm so good.

SPEAKER_00 36:47

And each of these scenes, they they set them up so carefully. There's the music, there's the candles, or you know, the the the wine in that case and and champagne later on that we get to see. But it's like they're they're like setting each little thing up to where you like you know something big has to happen. And the the dinner scene is so great because you don't expect him to to bring out the uh the drugs yet.

SPEAKER_04 37:10

Yeah, I had no idea what he was planning. And that dude was bold as fuck. Yeah, I thought I just wanted to see what they were.

SPEAKER_00 37:16

Right, right. And it was it was interesting because I even re-watching it, I'm like no just no idea that this was like him attempting a drugger at this point when you know he's like asking asking her for dinner with him that night. And you get and it has like that great just like build-up, like each little element's like falling in a place to where they're just building something up, and at that point it was disappointment. And in hobbling, it was you know, it was just obviously pain and misery. But later on, when we get to when we actually get to like the burning of the book, you know, that same kind of like build-up sequence where you're like, this is getting towards the end, I know something has to happen, and we we've got the champagne maybe coming in here and like each little element's happening, and then payoff finally.

SPEAKER_04 37:55

Can we talk about how this man lights matches with his thumb? What kind that is like some real like 1930s talent right there?

SPEAKER_01 38:05

Also, how they said instead of Dom Perrion, they said Don Pergon. Pergon.

SPEAKER_00 38:13

To his skill, you know, he just went with it. He just goes with it because he's you know trying to pacify her. But it it's just a small little thing where you have to like catch the fact that he like has that like little flutter in his eye where he can you know he's like, Come on, yeah, you don't know how to say that, but he's gonna go with it to not upset her and rile her up in any way, just brilliant.

SPEAKER_01 38:32

Two amazing parts. But I feel like she always knew what he was gonna do no matter what.

SPEAKER_00 38:36

Which way?

SPEAKER_01 38:37

Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Well, she said like she had walked in and was like, Hey, I was wondering how they got moved, and now it all makes sense. You've been going. But I like for her to just some little I guess when you're psychotic or something, you realize some little thing is gone off the table or is turned a different way, but I think like half of the time he knew what she was kind of up to, and then half of the time like like they each switch control, like because he had some control when he was like asking for dinner, and then at the end asking for the things and asking for the paper and stuff like that, but he never fully gained that control, and then sometimes she would get bamboozled by him, and then other times she knew exactly what he was up to.

SPEAKER_03 39:15

I love that you point out that it's an exchange of control because I'm realizing now after I just like said, you know, like the dinner scene being my favorite, when do I ever like a scene where a dude is roofing a woman?

SPEAKER_00 39:28

So but it works. When it's when it's for his when it's for his safety, honestly.

SPEAKER_04 39:34

Yeah, so this is actually something I was thinking about in the movie while we were watching it, is because like so he goes and gets a knife, right? But she hasn't, I think when he gets in, yeah, when he gets the knife is before she strapped him down, before the hobbling, any of that. So while he is in danger and we all know he's in danger, he she hasn't done anything to him yet, right? Like she hasn't hurt him. And so it's it's this weird thing because it's like because he's the man in the in the scenario, he's trying to defend himself, but he's defending himself from like the f the implied danger. So if he had like attacked her with that knife, he's the one in trouble, right? Like it's it's almost unjustified if he kills her or stabs her, something like that.

SPEAKER_00 40:14

I mean, she definitely made some like threatening remarks though.

SPEAKER_04 40:16

At that point, it's he said she said. Right. And since it's the male-female dynamic, like it's just so interesting to see it from that perspective. Because if it was a man that hadn't done anything but had implied danger to a woman, she got a knife, she stabs him, there would be no problem. Like, there's no question about it, you know? So just interesting because he's trying to defend himself, trying to keep himself safe. Meanwhile, this woman hasn't actually done anything, and but he knows it's coming because she's obviously off her rocker.

SPEAKER_03 40:43

I would be really curious to know what the legal ramifications are and like, is there grounds here for like let's say he did stab her and somehow get out, right? But she hadn't actually done anything to harm him. I wonder what that would have looked like. Or was the fact that she did not seek medical attention that entire time? Is that enough?

SPEAKER_04 41:03

Yeah, she definitely kidnapped him, but it was like it was just like you knew she was gonna do something, so he had to try to defend himself. But when he got the knife, I was like, is he gonna do anything? Because it we're not quite there yet, you know? It's just a very interesting dynamic. So then you don't even feel bad when he's trying to roofie her, you know?

SPEAKER_03 41:20

I feel like I just asked myself a dumb question because then I realized, wait, no, he was missing the whole time they're in the newspapers and all the knees talking about please help us find this guy.

SPEAKER_04 41:29

Yeah. Also, he was getting roofied for days and days and days. So that's true. That's true. You give and you take.

SPEAKER_03 41:36

I mean, I I feel like this does beg the question. We give it a universal slash, it's doing pretty well so far. What would you guys say is the worst part of this movie?

SPEAKER_04 41:44

You know, I don't know that I have an answer for that. I d definitely don't feel like this is it's not like I'm here saying like this movie is remarkable in every way and like everything is perfect. But it just seems like even anything that wasn't maybe perfect in this movie or could be improved or something, it's all kind of like on par. So it just put the story together well. I don't know that I have anything that I think should be improved.

SPEAKER_01 42:09

Yeah, I would totally agree. It's not like I'm saying, like, it's not like oh my god, this is there's nothing wrong. Right. But like nothing that I notice that would be clearing to me because in general it's a really good movie.

SPEAKER_00 42:20

There's a risk involved with adapting any sort of you know previous work, whether it's movie or novel, they could have gone into much more detail, and I don't think the detail would have helped. So I don't think, for instance, like the fact that uh Kathy Bates' character was, I think, abused by her father, if I remember correctly. Um, so I don't think them like bringing that forward would have helped us in any way with the movie because we just know that there's you know some kind of d disturbed situation going on, but I don't know that it would have added too much to the experience.

SPEAKER_04 42:50

Okay, I do have maybe not a thing that needs to be changed, but maybe a question. They gave us these like newspaper articles that were like she was killing babies as a nurse, right?

SPEAKER_00 43:00

Babies are old people.

SPEAKER_04 43:01

Is there is there any reason for that? Is that just adding to her being crazy?

SPEAKER_03 43:08

So there was um there are actually several serial killers who have actually in I think they're called like Angels of Death, um, where they have in created moments where someone's life is in peril just so they can be the one that saved them. And I think it it starts getting along those lines. What about you, Mac?

SPEAKER_00 43:26

So I think um she was based off of, or at least like this type of killer was based off of a real person uh that existed and that did this to where they they are like a I don't know if they were a serial killer or a spree murderer or whatever the like correct terminology would be, but they were either killing babies or they were killing old killing old people. Like this kind of stuff was was definitely happening at the time. And so I think whether or not you need like her personal backstory to get to that reason, I don't know if that's important or not, but like this was like a real kind of like situation. People were dealing with in the starting out with the 80s and 90s. I think uh I don't know how when the first one was, but it's definitely kind of a newer fear to have that you're the people supposed to be taking care of you could be like killing you or someone you care about.

SPEAKER_03 44:14

Yes, yes, yes, yes. When I uh when I was in the Navy, we had this thing called the cereal bowl I've mentioned on the show before. Uh have I have I told you guys specifically about this? No, me. So the cereal bowl was a bracket by bracket tournament. And what we did was we rounded up all the serial killers we could think of or fine quickly with a Google search that had silly names like Giggling Granny, the doodler, things like that. We'd break them down head to head in terms of like notoriety, you know, uh style, things like that, like if they ever got caught, anything like that. So we ended up withering it down. One of them was a giggling granny, and it reminds me of this slightly. What an activity. I know. Serial bowl.

SPEAKER_01 44:52

I didn't know if that was like that's the name of the ultimate killer.

SPEAKER_03 44:55

Serial, but like cereal in the sense of like S-E-R-I-A.

SPEAKER_04 45:01

Cereal, but like the podcast, not the food.

SPEAKER_00 45:04

That's so funny.

SPEAKER_03 45:05

I would love to do a side podcast just on the cereal bowl. We'll see.

SPEAKER_00 45:10

Maybe we should do one where you know we're like doing like our own draft picks.

SPEAKER_01 45:14

Oh yeah, for Super Bowl. Oh my gosh. But some people actually watch the Super Bowl here, so but we should do hard draft picks.

SPEAKER_00 45:23

Like we get to pick either antagonists or or protagonists, you know.

SPEAKER_03 45:26

Oh my god, that'd be amazing. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 45:28

So I don't know if people can uh maybe contact us, maybe maybe send us that email or that uh that Twitter DM or whatever it is that they use to talk to us and perhaps let us know they what they would want to hear.

SPEAKER_03 45:40

So I definitely remember that over time there are cases like this around the entire world. I know Heather from Nature vs. Narcissism has covered a few things similar to this, but I know for a fact there there was a serial killer who did something to to this effect.

SPEAKER_00 45:53

Yeah, so when I when I was looking things up for fact or fiction, we'll talk about that uh later. But uh Janine Jones. So I don't know if Heather has already covered her on her podcast, but I would love to know if she has, if she's planning to, or if she knows any of the backstory or information. Um, because that's like I like I think there was like something like 50 kids. But I think it would be interesting to kind of hear about a real life person like this. I also want to know like how did she end up in this house in the middle of nowhere and not like in jail, in prison.

SPEAKER_01 46:24

She did go, and then she came, she was released.

SPEAKER_04 46:28

Also, I feel like the sheriff wouldn't even have to like the sheriff was like looking it up. I was like, everyone in this town would know uh what this woman did. He knew enough to know it was her house and the woods when he was flying over in the helicopter. He would know that she did this. Yeah. She ain't that old. She was pretty young in this.

SPEAKER_03 46:42

I mean, maybe people leave, you know, fly the nest, whatever, at a young age. Maybe that was her parents' house, and she went off and did her own thing, got arrested, got out, wandered back home after the parents' pass. Maybe that's what it is. After she killed them. Yes. Well, Mac, you have me enticed and you have me intrigued, and I really want to know some more about this kind of stuff. So if it's okay with you guys, let's go ahead and move on into the educational part of our show. Fact or fiction, brought to you in part by the Superfly Space Guy. Pray for us.

SPEAKER_00 47:14

You'll do fine. Uh, actually, this entire factor fiction is about the uh Boston Red Sox.

SPEAKER_03 47:19

Mookie bets. Just kidding.

SPEAKER_00 47:21

Just kidding.

SPEAKER_03 47:22

That was That was last week.

SPEAKER_00 47:23

That was last week. Okay. Okay, so let's get into some fact or fiction. In the novel, Annie breaks Paul's legs with a baseball bat, not a hammer.

SPEAKER_04 47:30

Uh, that's a fact. I'm gonna agree. Then go, uh, fact only of fiction.

SPEAKER_00 47:34

Ooh, Chris is correct. It's fiction because she actually cuts off one of his legs with an axe and then coiterizes it. But uh, I think they just thought that was gonna be too brutal, and he doesn't really triumph as much as he does in the movie. So, you know, just breaking his ankles.

SPEAKER_04 47:47

I prefer this, the hobbling. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 47:49

I do too, because I think like you don't expect this specific of a of a way of taking him out.

SPEAKER_04 47:54

Yeah, and it was so specific with that that block that she put. Like, like you've been using this block for a while.

SPEAKER_00 47:59

Is this your hobble block? Is this how you hobble out all your friends or just me? Alright, next one up. Misery was adapted for Broadway and starred Bruce Willis as Paul.

SPEAKER_01 48:08

Oh, please be fiction. Fiction. Although I feel like it's really quirky, so it might be a fact. But I'm just gonna say fiction. Fiction.

SPEAKER_00 48:15

It's a fact. It happened. Jesus. You're welcome. You now have that in your life. You know that that exists somewhere in the world.

SPEAKER_01 48:21

Bruce Willis, we should have known. This is such a Bruce Willis movie to ruin. Did he just like die hard and swing in and save, or he was the guy in the bed?

SPEAKER_00 48:29

He was the guy in the bed. He was Paul.

SPEAKER_01 48:30

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_04 48:31

It totally fits Bruce Willis now that you say it. Yeah. Like if it was made like 10 years later, Bruce Willis would have played Paul for sure.

SPEAKER_00 48:39

Well, it's interesting. There's a ton of actors who either turned down the role of Paul or like thought about it and then were like, nah, it's not really for me. Because they all thought, well, not all of them, but some of them thought, oh, I'm just gonna be overshadowed or by a female. Yeah, or or I'm gonna be it's gonna be lame because I'm gonna be laying in a bed I'll be such a weak character. I don't think I feel that way about him at all. I think it was a great role.

SPEAKER_04 48:59

You've seen the final product. Maybe it felt different when you were reading the script. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 49:04

Very true. Next one up. Kathy Bates found acting in such a violent film to be challenging, but enjoyed the experience.

SPEAKER_04 49:09

I'm gonna go for broke here. And go fact. Fact.

SPEAKER_03 49:12

I'm gonna go fiction because I I know that she previous to this had had a role where she was already familiar with having to portray someone with suicidal thoughts. So I I wanna say fiction based on the note about the challenging word. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 49:28

She actually found it upsetting. So it was fiction. So she found it so upsetting that filming with such violence uh that she actually cried before the final fight scene before filming that.

SPEAKER_04 49:37

I thought you said she found it upsetting.

SPEAKER_00 49:40

But enjoyed the experience.

SPEAKER_04 49:41

Oh, gee. That was so general, like that's a throwaway. Enjoyed the experience of filming the movie. I'm sure she did. She got awards. Sure.

SPEAKER_01 49:50

I can't stand this part.

SPEAKER_00 49:52

You're welcome.

SPEAKER_01 49:53

Also, she's came a long way because now she's on American Horror Stories, so clearly that's not.

SPEAKER_03 49:58

Oh, yes, that is the pinnacle of her career. Sure. Not Titanic. Not this movie. Not the office.

SPEAKER_00 50:05

It's been 30 years though.

SPEAKER_03 50:06

So she was in Titanic?

SPEAKER_01 50:08

I only know the office. Kathy Bates. That's it. Oh. Wow.

SPEAKER_00 50:12

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 50:12

She wasn't Sabre. Dolores Claiborne, sorry, favorite Kathy Bates.

SPEAKER_00 50:16

Speaking of Titanic, okay. Misery is about Stephen King's battle with substance abuse.

SPEAKER_04 50:21

He does weird stuff like that, so probably fact, yeah. Just because I don't know what else to do here, I'm gonna go fiction and just assume I got them all wrong tonight.

SPEAKER_00 50:29

Okay. It's a fact. And it didn't come out right away, it came out much later that he admitted to it. Um, but effectively the substance abuse had the same effect on him of being like isolated and alone and unable to leave. It had a hobbling effect on him and his career.

SPEAKER_04 50:45

Isn't everything he does about substance abuse? Pretty much.

SPEAKER_00 50:48

Firsthand experience. You're right, what you know. All right, because you love the tricky ones. Filming had to be delayed a month due to an actual snowstorm in Colorado.

SPEAKER_01 50:56

I doubt they filmed in Colorado, so uh fiction. It was the 90s, I'll go fact.

SPEAKER_03 51:01

I'm gonna assume it's fiction because he said the whole tricky thing, and it's probably one small detail is incorrect, but I'm gonna go ahead and say fact anyway, because I'm a dumbass.

SPEAKER_00 51:08

It was fiction. Uh it was uh mostly shot in Nevada or Nevada.

SPEAKER_04 51:12

Oh of course.

SPEAKER_00 51:13

So Alexis learned the game. You guys gotta learn from her.

SPEAKER_04 51:16

You tricky. If you could see my eye roll at this point in time, it's pretty intense.

SPEAKER_00 51:21

It's a it's a strong eye roll. Friend of the show, Melissa D, it would be very proud of your eye roll. She's pretty good. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 51:28

All right, Mac, thank you so much for that educational opportunity and your half-truths and lies. You are the reason we all have trust issues. There you have it, folks. Misery from the year 1990. Earned a universal slash, but I am sure there are plenty out there who don't like it. So we want to hear your thoughts. We want to know your perspective. We want to know what you thought about the hobbling and about misery the pig. So keep in mind there are a number of ways you can reach out to us. First at our website, www.hacker slash.com, and our social accounts on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram.

SPEAKER_04 51:58

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SPEAKER_00 52:07

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SPEAKER_03 52:13

Hope your NK works. We'll see you next time. Bye.