SPEAKER_05 0:04

I like some virgin blood.

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Greetings and salutations and welcome to Hacker Slash. If you're joining us again, welcome back. We are glad you have managed not to get sick of us quite yet. If this is your first time listening, welcome to the party. We are a horror movie review podcast dedicated to telling you whether a movie is a hack, a total joke, a waste of time, or a slash.

SPEAKER_01 0:30

Totally killer, pun intended.

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My name is Chris, and I'm your friendly neighborhood slasher enthusiast. Now this week I'm joined by the Superfly Space Guy Mac.

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Hola muchachos.

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The Gore Lover Lexis. Hey every wine. The Coward the Creeper Ryan. Hiya. And the Scream Queen Paris.

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Hey sweets.

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Now this week we are reviewing the sequel to a film that we originally covered back in 2018, around the time that Alexis joined us for the very first time. But before we dig into that 90s goodness though, we do have some follow-up to get to.

SPEAKER_02 0:58

Oh yeah, let's take a minute to give a shout-out to one of our favorite listeners and fellow podcaster, Heather, from Nature vs. Narcissism. She actually sent us a lovely care package recently with a lot of wonderful goodies for our team, uh, and we really appreciate her support. So go ahead and check out her podcast if you have the time. We're definitely a better podcast with supporters like Heather on our side. Also, you guys, let's talk about bingo. By now, we're three-quarters of the way into the bingo month because we only came up with this idea after recording the first two April episodes.

SPEAKER_06 1:31

Well hey.

SPEAKER_02 1:32

But you guys can definitely keep an ear out in this episode for different little moments that we're probably inevitably gonna do intentionally or otherwise to check off your bingo sheet.

SPEAKER_06 1:42

Quite frankly, you probably have your entire sheet field by now. We'll see. We'll see.

SPEAKER_02 1:47

That's definitely possible.

SPEAKER_06 1:49

Not the universal slash, I don't think.

SPEAKER_05 1:52

That's true.

SPEAKER_06 1:53

Yeah, maybe not. I guess we'll see how it goes.

SPEAKER_02 1:55

That's the unicorn.

SPEAKER_06 1:56

Tonight might be it. I have a feeling. We do have a solid lineup this month, so we're bound to at least record a universal slash. Don't know if it's gonna get published though, so we'll see. This week we're taking a look back uh to the peak of the horror resurgence back in the late 90s. In episode 24, we actually covered the 1996 film Scream that was directed by Wes Craven and written by Kevin Williamson, and Scream put horror back on the map. It brought in Drew Barrymore, and Drew Barrymore's involvement lent the horror genre a level of credibility that helped get more actors on board with actually participating in horror films. And this week we're talking about Scream 2, and while Scream may have put horror back on the map, Scream 2 sought to revitalize sequels and really address uh some of the long-standing tropes and cliches found in them during that time. Before we get into Scream 2. Who had seen Scream before? Alexis, I know you're here on the show, but had everybody here seen it? Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:53

Indeed. I had seen it. I had to rewatch it though, because I'd had forgotten some stuff. And you also never realize how much you mix up with a scary movie as well, unfortunately.

SPEAKER_05 3:02

That is so true.

SPEAKER_02 3:03

I've seen uh Scream before, for sure. It's one of my top ten favorite horror movies of all time, so I've seen it dozens of times. I actually haven't seen the second one though, so it was interesting to kind of go back to that world with new content.

SPEAKER_06 3:17

So just to be clear, would Scream have been a universal slash from all three of you?

SPEAKER_02 3:21

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 3:22

For sure, it's a classic.

SPEAKER_06 3:24

Um yeah, yep. I'm concerned about that uh moment to think, Ryan.

SPEAKER_07 3:30

I had to think about it for a second, but I mean I'm sure I'll get to talk about this more, but like Scream just has this place in my heart, and I don't well, I don't know. I think it's because my brother dressed up as him a lot for Halloween. I have this super soft spot, so sometimes I have to like check myself and make sure I'm uh making a good decision. But yeah, slash for sure for the original Scream.

SPEAKER_06 3:48

Okay, all right. So we're starting off on Equal Ground, then we can pretend that Scream would have been a universal slash. I remember Alexis enjoyed it quite thoroughly. Paris, I know you hadn't seen Scream 2 before, but what about the rest of you guys?

SPEAKER_05 4:00

Oh, that's awesome. I like some Virgin Blood. Thank you. Yeah, I think I've I've actually seen them all, but it's been a while since I've seen this one because I think I always start. I'm one of those people like I'm like, you know, I really want to watch the third of something, like the third installment, but I start it all the way from the beginning again. Same with all the Harry Potters, same with Saw, same with anything. I just I'm like, you know what? Start it all so I can say I've seen the first many times of many series. Classical Lexus. But the last one, like Harry Potter, I've only seen it like once or twice.

SPEAKER_07 4:34

So I could not decide if I've seen this movie or not, and I'm pretty sure that it has to do with the same thing that Mac just said is that I mix everything up with scary movie. And um also, if we're gonna be bleating here and honest, this movie has a lot of similar concepts as the first one. So, like trying to figure out if I had seen it, I still don't know. So I'm gonna go with no. I'm gonna say this is my first time watching it.

SPEAKER_06 4:57

Interesting. I mean I have no idea. It's all similar because it's all from the same franchise, but I feel like it was so different enough.

SPEAKER_07 5:04

Uh is it? I don't know. I'm not saying it's the same movie. I'm just saying I can't figure out, I can't discern it. There's so many movies involving this one monster. I can't figure out what's happening. It's just a lot, you know? It's a lot. I'm going with no, I'd never seen Scream 2.

SPEAKER_01 5:20

I'll be on that same boat as you, Ryan, because I actually have never until today had never seen any of the Scream sequels. Only the first one.

SPEAKER_06 5:28

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 5:28

It just never none of it really ever floated my boat back then.

SPEAKER_06 5:30

But Scream floated your boat. Damn. Scream was good. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:34

But like I I saw it and I was like, all right, I'm good.

SPEAKER_06 5:37

You got your fill, and then less than the year later, you're like, no, no, no, I've had enough. I'm not gonna watch the sequel that is now out. It's hard not to agree with these characters. Sequels are often inferior.

SPEAKER_02 5:47

Yeah. Honestly, even though I had not seen the second one, I have seen the fourth one, and it's really, really good. So, Mac, I don't I haven't seen the third, but definitely check out the fourth one.

SPEAKER_07 5:58

Keep going. What happened there? How did you go from one to four?

SPEAKER_02 6:02

I felt like the first one was so good that the second one couldn't possibly top it, and then the third one wasn't even on my radar, and then the fourth one had Emma Roberts in it, which was definitely on my radar, and I heard a lot of good things about it from the gays. So I watched it and I was like, oh, this is amazing.

SPEAKER_06 6:15

Same except Hayden Panetier.

SPEAKER_02 6:18

Oh fun fact Hayden Panetier's hair has never looked good. I disagree.

SPEAKER_05 6:23

It does look really dry.

SPEAKER_06 6:25

Scream 4. She looked great in Scream 4. Scream 2 is something that I absolutely saw. These movies came out while I was living in Texas and I was a young child. And I said this back in the Scream episode. Scream was particularly frightening for me because of the element of uh, you know, Casey Becker's house kind of being out in the middle of nowhere. And we watched this movie. Uh, we watched the first one on our couch with our couch facing the sliding glass door in the middle of nowhere. Uh, and it scared the crap out of me as a kid. So I definitely watched the sequel. Uh and I enjoyed the sequel at the time. So I was what, like seven, eight years old. Watching it now, I was able to look at it from a completely different lens in a very interesting way. But how did you guys feel while you were watching it?

SPEAKER_01 7:11

This is one day removed from me watching Scream, the first one again. So it it definitely felt like I was carrying along the story. And as sequels go, I feel like it was a pretty fitting sequel. It didn't seem completely out of place and it kind of picked up chronologically. I I feel like in an intelligent, you know, way. So I actually enjoyed the watch.

SPEAKER_07 7:31

Yeah, I have to agree. This is like the kind of like kind of silliness in a scary movie that I like. It's not like over the top, but and I'm um obsessed with the meta of Scream. There's no right way to say that sentence, but like in the beginning, they're watching a movie of a scary movie. I'm watching a scary movie of a scary movie, and there's gonna be nudity in that scary movie within the first five minutes. And those things make me happy. It just makes me feel like I'm I'm deep in something here. So scream is always fun to me.

SPEAKER_02 8:05

I definitely thought of you, Ryan, when Jada Pinkett commented on that girl getting naked.

SPEAKER_07 8:09

Yeah, but we didn't get the boobs.

SPEAKER_02 8:11

For me, this movie actually gave me like some warm fuzzies in the nostalgia part of my brain when I was watching the beginning part. Um, just because it really took me back to the Scream Universe of the 90s, and they actually used some of the same music from the original movie as well. So a lot of like the wide shots of them like showing the college campus and then like the group of like young adults walking through and talking about murder. I was like, oh, this is like a scream movie that I haven't seen before, and it felt like a little treat that I was giving myself watching it.

SPEAKER_05 8:38

Yeah, it definitely wasn't as serious as the first one, but I mean you know it reminds me, I mean, I love any movie, pretty any much any horror movie made in the 90s. So um I'm like Chris, but Chris is in the 80s, I'm in the 90s. I'm I'm on the same page. All right, so we know what challenge is coming next. Yes, exactly. And um, I don't know if anyone's seen Ready Player One recently, but like that movie is filled with a whole bunch of like I guess they're called Easter eggs, which one time I at one point I thought was an actual egg. Oh that you had to find in the movies. I was like, I don't see any eggs.

SPEAKER_06 9:14

One point recently, like since Ryan and Mac have been on the show.

SPEAKER_01 9:19

Oh so if we're making a movie, we're gonna put literal Easter eggs in it.

SPEAKER_05 9:23

Please do, just so that's what this movie reminds me of. It's filled with so much nostalgia and like so much stuff like from the 90s that it was just like every time I turned, there was just like a reference, a reference, a reference, which kind of a little bit took me out of the story a little bit. But then I realized I'm like it's very service level compared to the first one a little bit. But yeah, it was a really good ride for me.

SPEAKER_07 9:48

I to add to that, I think this movie made me realize that like Chris's 80s slashers. I am, I mean, I don't know what genre to call it, but I am 90s horror. Like that's my spot, that's where I like to be. Let's do it. Like, I'm just I was looking up some, I'm like, because sometimes I have a hard time identifying where things lie in a calendar. So like the faculty, the ring was like the scariest movie I've ever seen in my whole life. The movies like that, they're just so great. It's like it's what I love, and it's this enough disconnect, but not so much like in like 70s and 80s movies. Like, there's a little bit, like it's clearly not the same time that we're in now, but it's a time I can still connect to.

SPEAKER_06 10:26

Is it like I live through this, but it's still far away? Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 10:31

Same.

SPEAKER_07 10:32

I was born in '94, so I didn't live through much of it.

unknown 10:35

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_07 10:36

I mean, I I was there, but I didn't do anything. I didn't have anything to do with it. So I can't really claim that. But I just it's like you can, I don't know. It's it's just my spot.

SPEAKER_05 10:47

I think it's like a, you know, Chris is like a campfire, can, let's go out. And we're more like, let's go back to high school. Yeah. That's why we love those. Also, you must love Bring It On.

SPEAKER_06 10:58

This is exactly right.

SPEAKER_05 11:00

I like Bring It On.

SPEAKER_06 11:01

Not a horror movie, but yeah. I love Bring It On Too. All right. So looking back, I think this is one of those things where if you watched it when it came out in theaters, right? So Alexis, you and I were like seven or eight years old, right? This is coming out two years before Columbine, which is a couple years before 9-11. So when you watch this movie, it's like Scream is just like this crazy little time capsule of how wild people were in a meta way before two incredibly historic defining moments for our country and our society and the way we approach things, not only in media, but in the security of our everyday lives, right? So we look at this, you know, this movie opens up with a movie in a movie, they're in a movie theater in the 80s. We had Tom Hanks in He Knows You're Alone. That movie theater was nice and chill. Same movie theater in the 90s, referencing that movie. People are all crazy going around with masks, fake knives. You can't wear a mask in a movie theater anymore.

SPEAKER_02 11:58

Oh god, no.

SPEAKER_06 11:59

Absolutely not. So it's crazy to look back on this moment through that lens and know that man, life used to be that way, and it will never be that way again. Uh, but when you're looking at this movie, and maybe it was just the experience or the feelings that inspired for you, what surprised you guys?

SPEAKER_07 12:15

I think I was actually surprised by that. Like the way this movie comes in, and it's a completely different scene than anything you'll see in a movie theater now, kind of sets the tone for the whole movie, and it's it's like it's a time that I'd like to go back to where I feel like things are a little bit lighter. And I'm sure that every person ever has felt that way, that the times before them were easier and you know, less stressful things happening and stuff like that, but like we've had a lot of things happen, you know, like there's been shootings in a movie theater, so now like something like this carries a lot more weight, and I really didn't it expect to come into this movie and feel the way I felt and be like, oh wait, this is like a completely different time, especially being that we're kind of you know stuck in the house right now. It's everything is kind of like in your face, like this is different, and this is I did not expect to go into this and see such a different feeling in this movie.

SPEAKER_06 13:11

I love that it's it's different, right? So Columbine, different, 9-11, different. Is this looking back like 20 years from now? Are we gonna watch a movie and say, man, that was pre-coronavirus? Oh, we're gonna have empty err movie theaters, we're not gonna be that close again.

SPEAKER_07 13:26

Maybe, but also were movie theaters ever like this? This this is a this is a this is dramatic, right?

SPEAKER_06 13:33

Can confirm it was like that when I went to go see the Phantom Menace in 1999. They gave out costumes. No, but people did dress up as Star Wars characters and they were Buck Wild in the movie.

SPEAKER_05 13:44

Okay, I get that. Like opening night, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 13:47

Yeah, there's still some level of like dramatization here, but of course that's a movie, that's what they do.

SPEAKER_05 13:53

Also, I felt like it was gremlins in the in the whole thing, like everyone just cheering and throwing popcorn and running around. I was like, this is totally when all the gremlins were uh watching a movie. Arguably would have been a better scene.

SPEAKER_01 14:06

I found it surprising how I mean back then we didn't have the kind of Avengers template going on, yet this was obviously part of the Scream Cinematic Universe. It was like so planned out that this was gonna be a series of movies, and I think their planning paid off. I mean, obviously, how many screams were there?

SPEAKER_06 14:25

Four. And then there was uh two seasons of one version of the TV show, and then another season of a different TV show, very different.

SPEAKER_01 14:33

Yeah, so I mean this was you know, starting out in the in the late nineties, this huge spanning series of movies that I think did pretty well. Which I mean, when was the last time we had that? Was like going from the eighties into the early nineties, maybe with some some of like Friday the 13th movies and stuff. So uh I think it's it's pretty impressive how they were able to, you know, figure out which character they wanted to kind of latch on to and the rules of the movies, which I absolutely loved. You know, in the screen movies you have to have the the movies this horror movies rules that you know you have to follow in order to stay alive, which they try to they try to stick with, I feel like.

SPEAKER_05 15:10

What surprised me was that they did it in the first one and they're doing it in the second one, but I don't feel like it's repetitive. And I think it's cool because they're using the first one as a reference. It's so meta. It is intense. Yeah, so I was surprised like it wasn't overdone for me.

SPEAKER_02 15:27

Yeah, it's definitely still self-referential. Um, but I think the reason that it didn't come off as being repetitive is because this time they were more referencing the concept of a sequel within the sequel. Um, but the thing that really surprised me the most, and I think this is usually the thing that surprises me, is all of the celebrities that are in this movie.

SPEAKER_07 15:45

Okay. Did you feel like you were watching Scooby-Doo for a few minutes? And I know it's actually only one character, but the first one also has Scooby-Doo characters. Why is there so many Scooby-Doo people in this one movie?

SPEAKER_02 15:55

Because of the mystery.

SPEAKER_06 15:56

Oh yeah. But also because Scooby-Doo demands a particular caliber of talent that Scream also demands. Agree.

SPEAKER_02 16:04

Sarah Michelle Geller being in this, like, had my jaw on the floor because I was not expecting her. And I miss her so much. Like, what is she doing right now, Sarah Michelle Geller? Please work again. Let us know what you need from us because we want to support you in your career. But you also had like Tori Spelling and like Luke Wilson and Jada Pinkett Smith, and so many people, like Jerry O'Connell, so many celebrities that are really big names now or have had large careers since this movie. So, like every other scene, they just like introduced a new famous person. I was like, Oh, they're in this too.

SPEAKER_07 16:34

Dude, Paris, you're so right. Jada at the beginning of this movie is literally what pulled me in in the beginning. Like, I kind of went in, not sure if I had seen it, anything like that. And then she started and I was like, Yep, I'm in for this. And man, um, my favorite quote from her is I got my money, ask for your money. Like, thank you. And then Courtney Cox, first off, that girl is fine.

SPEAKER_02 16:56

Okay, like never looked better.

SPEAKER_07 16:58

Her highlights were horrible in this movie, I will say. And she was still a dime.

SPEAKER_02 17:02

Yeah, in that bad wig.

SPEAKER_07 17:03

Yeah. Monica's always kind of like, eh, whatever. But in this movie, when she references Jennifer Anderson's body, it's just like the greatest moment. I had to look it up and make sure it was post friends. Oh, so good. Courtney Coxon, this is great.

SPEAKER_06 17:17

Or like the uh nice little David Schwimmer Easter egg hidden in there.

SPEAKER_01 17:21

Oh, can you explain?

SPEAKER_06 17:22

When Randy is having the conversation about the sequels with Dewey, uh, Randy reveals that Dewey is portrayed by David Schwimmer in the stab movie.

SPEAKER_01 17:32

Oh man, I didn't even realize that. I missed that Easter egg.

SPEAKER_06 17:35

Man, gotta rewatch right now.

SPEAKER_01 17:37

Right, let me go get the TV.

SPEAKER_06 17:39

I sent you the list. I agree with you 100%, Ryan. Jada's performance in the beginning is one of those things that kind of leveled the playing field because you had you kind of had like this lack of representation in the first scream, right? So she is there to say what everyone else is thinking and then break all those rules for the sequel in an incredible way. I will say one of the things that um I found really interesting looking back on was how morbid this uh studio's marketing is to be making a movie after those murders very quickly, and then also be giving away costumes. Yeah, it's pretty intense.

SPEAKER_05 18:17

Has anyone ever been that excited for like a true crime documentary that they dressed up like the villain?

SPEAKER_07 18:24

I can't imagine one so soon. Like, oh, I think although most of the true crime that crime that we enjoy now is all like quite a bit removed.

SPEAKER_05 18:32

People will be dressing up like the lady from uh Tiger King, but Carol fucking baskin.

SPEAKER_01 18:39

Yep, Jerry Exotic is is also gonna make an appearance this Halloween.

SPEAKER_05 18:42

Yeah, for sure. I'm hoping Netflix puts something out before after this because we're gonna be quarantined forever. So there's a lot of time before Halloween.

SPEAKER_01 18:52

Give us a follow-up, give us something better, something juicier, crazier.

SPEAKER_06 18:56

So, as we know, the second edition of Scream does some really interesting things with taking on the sequel, and it actually breaks down the set of rules, right? So the death total is gonna be greater, uh, the death the murder scenes are gonna be more elaborate, more gore, more carnage, carnage candy, as Randy likes to likes to say. And at no point should you ever assume the killer is dead. When you look at those rules for a sequel, right? And you look at this movie, how it portrayed it, do you feel like it kind of flipped it on its head a little bit, subverted those expectations?

SPEAKER_05 19:25

For sure, I think. Um I can't recall the body count in the first one, but it seems relatively comparable because I know they were talking about who they killed in the first one versus who they killed the second one, so I feel like it was a little bit comparable.

SPEAKER_02 19:41

I feel like they kind of stuck to that script actually. Like the kills and death scenes were definitely more dramatic and maybe gratuitous at times compared to the first one. And then without too many spoilers, I think they were very self-aware about like never assume the killer's dead. I feel like they took that set of rules, they said this is the set of rules that sequels follow, and here we are doing just that, and maybe even amplifying it a little bit. What do you guys think?

SPEAKER_05 20:05

I don't know. I think the deaths were still the same. Like, I to me, like I'm thinking of it, and I'm just like, you know, there's nothing that stands out, but maybe I'm just, you know.

SPEAKER_06 20:16

So nothing gives you that same Casey Becker hanging from a tree with her intestines popped out kind of feeling. So this movie definitely does play with the rules of being a sequel, and even then it still makes some surprising twists and turns. This movie famously uh was going through rewrites as it was being made. Did you guys know that?

SPEAKER_01 20:33

Yeah, they leaked that script though.

SPEAKER_06 20:35

Yeah, but Kevin Williamson also made dummy scripts in advance. They were just making secrets on secrets on secrets, expecting leaks to still keep it hidden from everybody.

SPEAKER_07 20:45

I'm um not surprised that this was being rewritten as it was going. That's all I'll say.

SPEAKER_02 20:50

Yeah, I I believe I believe that that's true.

SPEAKER_07 20:53

Yes, it is fact.

SPEAKER_06 20:58

But despite that, I think it still ties to the story together in a in a very neat and tidy way. How did you guys feel about how things wrapped up? Whew.

SPEAKER_07 21:07

There's a lot in this ending. I think it's a hot mess overall. That's how I felt. What the ending here is it's it's all over the place. Which is not surprising because of the original movie. The ending is surprising in and of itself. But yeah, I I wrote in my notes, this is such a hot mess ending. And that's all I can say without spoiling it.

SPEAKER_01 21:30

Interesting. I I found that it was a very fitting ending considering the material. You know, you just mentioned how meta it was, and I feel like this was one of the most meta ways to end a sequel.

SPEAKER_07 21:40

Oh, it was on brand. Don't get me wrong. I didn't say it was out of place, but a hot mess nonetheless.

SPEAKER_02 21:45

I feel you're Ryan. I uh this ending was elaborate to say the least. Uh part of the ending I think was really strong and one of my favorite parts, but other parts of the ending, I was like, uh, we could have really used a Harder edit here. Um, so I was really torn on the ending because it was a lot.

SPEAKER_05 22:06

I loved it. But I think I loved it for what it was. Again, uh referencing last week, it is what it is, and I love it.

SPEAKER_01 22:17

You're very accepting. No judgment.

SPEAKER_05 22:19

No, no judgment anymore until we get a shitty movie, and then I'm judging.

SPEAKER_06 22:24

So I I get what you're saying about it being a lot, but I feel like it still organizes itself in a really neat way. Uh, this is one of those where you look at the movies that came after this, and they're all just trying to be scream too. They're all just trying to be scream. Um, I I feel like the explanation and the ex the exposition that we get was more so found in like James Bond kind of villain movies where you have like a whole monologue by the villain as things are being revealed. You look at the decisions that were made in this movie about uh who may or may not be the killer, uh, and you look at the way things unfold, and I feel like you can still see that thread tied throughout the whole movie. So there are nods to that every step of the way. And even though the script was being rewritten, Kevin Williamson still killed it and uh kept it cohesive and consistent throughout the whole movie. Like you can't just watch the beginning and feel like you're watching a totally different movie at the end, which I applaud him for. It's gotta be insanely tough to be in the middle of a production on a highly anticipated film and having to write pages literally on set as you're working. So that being said, are you guys gonna watch this again? Oh hell yeah.

SPEAKER_05 23:38

It'll be where I started the series at screen one and get to two and then possibly three if life hasn't happened. But you know what? I think uh yeah, definitely. This is definitely a watch.

SPEAKER_07 23:49

Yeah, I think it'd be hard to say no. Again, this is like wow. I mean, again, it's it's another one where if it's on, I can't see why I wouldn't watch this.

SPEAKER_06 23:59

How much alcohol do you need to re-watch it?

SPEAKER_07 24:01

No alcohol required.

SPEAKER_06 24:03

There you go. That's what you gotta ask now.

SPEAKER_07 24:04

Yeah, that that is the the standard. You could watch this with people around, you know, like just hanging out, even people that maybe aren't really like into scary movies. This is like a chill watch. Like, I'm definitely not gonna put this on by myself, but that's me. But I would watch this again for sure.

SPEAKER_05 24:19

Yeah, and other people can pick up on things you didn't pick up on. Very true, which is really neat. And if they like Scooby-Doo, they might like this movie. Or Broken Arrow or any other thing.

SPEAKER_02 24:31

That's true.

SPEAKER_05 24:32

Or friends.

SPEAKER_02 24:33

I would definitely watch this movie again. Um, I'm gonna just add it to my catalog of things that if they're on, I will definitely leave them on and continue whatever I was doing initially. Um, for people who like Scream, it's just more quality Scream content. Uh and it was just a lot of fun. I had a lot of just happy moments watching this movie because like the original, it didn't take itself too seriously, but it took itself just seriously enough to, if you really got into it, give you that feeling of like suspense and fear and times. Um and I just thought it did that really successfully.

SPEAKER_06 25:07

I like to imagine that you just have a list you must consult whenever something comes on TV and you're actively doing something else, you're like, oh, I gotta check the catalog and see if it uh passes your uh passes your test there to stay on.

SPEAKER_02 25:19

This list definitely exists inside my mind.

SPEAKER_06 25:21

Oh god.

SPEAKER_01 25:22

I don't know, I don't I don't think any of you have seen the uh the great late 90s sci-fi show called Sliders, but it stars Jerry O'Connell and he has a little machine that lets him uh flip between alternate dimensions. He like jumps through a little portal and he slides to another dimension. So it's Earth, but like something about it's different. Whether, you know, like another country is the more dominant country, or this is a planet in which the you know, the Neanderthals are the ones that survived, or whatever it is, there's always something that's like slightly different about it, even though like there's another version of you on this planet.

SPEAKER_06 25:54

This is some Ricky Morty shit.

SPEAKER_01 25:55

Yeah, exactly, exactly. They stole it. But I would like to watch this as an episode of Sliders, pretending that Jerry O'Connell slid into this this universe and just see how it plays out.

SPEAKER_06 26:10

Jerry O'Connell slid into the wrong DMs, my friend.

SPEAKER_01 26:14

I don't know about re-watching though, and it's on its own. Like I have so many more to watch, so many more the scream properties to watch that I don't know the next time I'm gonna get around to this.

SPEAKER_05 26:24

The Scream, um I'll I'll see what Chris thinks, but the Scream um series is not anything like this, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_06 26:33

Well, it's it's definitely not. Um but good on its own in a very interesting way, mainly the first season, less so the second season. Um they they still honor and kind of make nods to the Scream franchise, but it's a totally different killer, totally different mask, totally different story.

SPEAKER_03 26:52

Interesting.

SPEAKER_06 26:52

Um they bring back the mask for the latest season of Scream, but it's also a very different story, has nothing to do with Scream itself.

SPEAKER_07 27:00

Can I, on that note, mention that my favorite thing about Scream is that it always looks like a costume from Party City? Like your Party City Scream costume is the same as the costume used in this movie in every movie.

SPEAKER_05 27:13

But don't tell me you weren't when I was scared, when I was younger and trigger treating, and everyone had this mask on, I was terrified.

SPEAKER_07 27:19

Oh, terrified, especially when they came out with the super cool technology where you could squeeze the little ball in your hand and the blood would cover the mask. Oh, yeah. That was when you were rich. You were rich when you had that one.

SPEAKER_06 27:31

I didn't see that. I saw the one with the blood and the knife. Like you squeeze. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_07 27:37

Same same concept. But yeah, it's I I was watching this movie and I was like, dude, the the mask and costume that they give out at the movie theater is probably the exact same thing that the character is wearing, and it's perfect, it just works.

SPEAKER_03 27:50

Yep.

SPEAKER_06 27:50

I think this is something that I'll definitely watch. But Mac, look, I'm sorry, your boy with your sliders and he's doing his thing. I will fast forward almost any scene this guy is in. Uh I don't fault the character. I was I always found him the most cringy part of this movie. Looking back on his adult, I probably shouldn't have felt that way. But I still do. I find him to appear obnoxious.

SPEAKER_02 28:15

I can agree with that, Chris. There were a couple scenes that he was heavily featured in that I was kind of like, this didn't need to be in here. Um, but I wasn't mad like you were because he was very nice on the eyes, and I didn't realize Jerry O'Connell used to be so handsome.

SPEAKER_06 28:29

I thought he was weird looking.

SPEAKER_02 28:30

Used to be? I mean, right now I don't really he's not on my radar in that kind of way. Right. But he used to have like gorgeous skin.

SPEAKER_07 28:38

He's like uh if somebody went to a surgeon and was like, I really want to look like a James Bond character or a James Bond actor, but and they just like went a little too far. That's what he looks like to me. But we all have tastes.

SPEAKER_01 28:51

Yeah, let's let's pull up a relatively recent photo of of Jerry O'Connell.

SPEAKER_05 28:55

All right, he had little cheek fillers and you know, little fillers around his eyes. Ain't that bad.

SPEAKER_07 29:00

I'm not saying that he has a lot of work done. I'm saying he's got some. He looks too much like he wants to be James Bond, and that's what turns me off.

SPEAKER_01 29:08

Interesting. All I think of is the music video of Mariah Carey's uh Heartbreaker. Oh. Wait, was that Jerry O'Connell? Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 29:18

He's always the douche in every like movie in the 90s. Except this one, apparently.

SPEAKER_01 29:23

He was kind of douchey. I mean, he was great in stand by me.

SPEAKER_06 29:25

Given that so many of you would re-watch this movie, I'm very curious to see where we get in our rankings. Now, before we actually score this movie, Alexis, how many people died? 10.

SPEAKER_05 29:37

We got a solid 10 on this one. Pretty high. But I'd like to see a little bit higher on a slasher.

SPEAKER_06 29:44

Ten isn't enough.

SPEAKER_05 29:45

Ten is never enough.

SPEAKER_06 29:46

She needs at least 20.

SPEAKER_01 29:48

Come on, ghost face, satisfy me.

SPEAKER_05 29:50

No, if they did 20, I feel like then I'd be like, okay, this is obnoxious.

SPEAKER_06 29:53

And Ryan, how many of those deaths were animals?

SPEAKER_07 29:56

Dude, we're good today. It's all it's all gravy. You can watch this movie, and uh, you don't have to, you can you can pet Fido next to you and not have any sad moments.

SPEAKER_06 30:06

You may see really disturbing deaths, but at least you won't care about them. Alright, folks, now let's go ahead and start getting into our scores. Scream 2 from 1997. Was it a hack or was it a slash?

SPEAKER_05 30:18

It was a slash for me. Not surprising. I love the first one and definitely even love the second one just just as much. I think it's just a fun ride. It's nice. It's I love to be able to watch a movie, and like now, like I watch things and I actually pay attention and pick up on things. I'm like, oh my god, an Easter egg. Not a little Easter, not a literal Easter egg, but an Easter egg. And I think the more, especially what this podcast has done, um, every time I watch a movie, I think about all the sword stuff. I'm introduced to new movies, and I think I'm able to see what influence other movies had had. And that's why I love this movie because I can see what they've picked from other ones, and I think it makes me just really excited. And you know, I just I I love it.

SPEAKER_07 31:05

I too am going to give this a slash, um, but I have to confess that it's not an objective slash. I have such a soft spot in my heart for Scream. I don't know that I can judge this movie objectively, it's it's just something that I love, and it's hard for me to turn this on. I mean, we start with such a good scene that it's hard to get taken out of this movie, and then you're just in it. And if you have ever seen the first scream, I'd mean I'm sure I know there are people that don't like it, but it really is a good movie and a good watch. And so when you come into this one, it there is a bit of like nostalgia. Now, obviously, I didn't see them when they first came out, both of them consecutively. Um, so that might be another thing that adds to it for me. So I I I don't know that I can say every person will like this, but it's such a fun, scary movie. Like it's great to watch and it's good to be a part of. And like I was so excited to watch this movie this week, which does not always happen.

SPEAKER_06 32:00

Nice.

SPEAKER_01 32:00

I'm gonna give it a slash, and not just because of you know, Portia De Rossi being in it, but uh I feel like it was sorry. Come on, she's great.

SPEAKER_05 32:09

She looked like trailer trash in this.

SPEAKER_01 32:11

Wow.

SPEAKER_06 32:12

I'm gonna be quite frank. I did not connect her to this movie, like logistically, I knew she was credited, but looking at Ellen's wife and looking at this movie, I just never saw it.

SPEAKER_01 32:22

Really? So I mean, you didn't notice it when we when we got over to the sorority girls? I was so distracted by the girl from Jawbreaker.

SPEAKER_07 32:30

Who was also the girl from Urban Legend.

SPEAKER_01 32:31

Wow.

SPEAKER_07 32:33

How many movies have we referenced? I know.

SPEAKER_01 32:35

Can we go for more? This is a drinking game. No, it's it's it's a fitting sequel. I don't think it's Scream 1, but I think it's a fitting sequel and it uh and it it did its job well.

SPEAKER_07 32:45

That's a good way to say it.

SPEAKER_02 32:46

Yeah. So I actually really struggled with this one, you guys. Um, mostly because I've spent more than a decade loving the original Scream movie, and maybe two, three years loving Scream 4. Um, I feel like there was a large gap of time in between the two to give Scream 4 a position to be very fresh. And maybe it's because I watched them completely out of order, but there were so many things in Scream 2 that just brought me back to the original. So I had a really good time watching it. It was definitely an enjoyable movie, but I actually have to give it a hack, and I feel really bad about this.

SPEAKER_06 33:19

Wow. If you feel bad about giving it a hack, this is because you want to give it a slash, Paris. I'm not I want to remind you how this works. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 33:27

I really the whole time I watched it, Chris, I wanted to give it a slash. I really did. I wanted for me, the main reason it does not get a slash is because it obviously tried to do the sequel version of what a scream movie would be, and a lot of the things they did to do that weren't necessarily the most effective, in my opinion, in particular the ending. The like around the three-quarter mark of the movie, I started kind of getting bored. There was way too much focus on Courtney Cox and David Arquette's relationship, which I get it was referential to like what really happened on the set of the original movie, but it had way too much uh emphasis on that for my tastes, and then a lot of the choices in the ending really fell flat for me. But one of them was great.

SPEAKER_07 34:12

Paris, I'm not mad at you for that. Same. I have to say, I think that if I didn't have the the fondness for the Scream franchise that I do, I'd be on the same page as you, Paris. So you're not the only one. I mean, you are technically right now the only one, but don't feel bad, okay? You're the only one. It makes sense.

SPEAKER_02 34:29

But for me, that same fondness is the reason I can't give it a slash because I just like hold the first one in too high regard, and this one was like, well, let's do it again, but more. And it didn't really tickle my funny bone.

SPEAKER_06 34:41

I gotta disagree with you there. This movie is a hundred percent slash for me. It's a worthy uh successor to a self-aware gem. And you know, we didn't know it then, but it foreshadowed a lot of what was to come for society, not that that impacts the rating at all. But this movie stands the test of time so well, and that's what I think is special about Scream. Uh Scream in particular is one of the only movie series from the 90s that you can look back and think, oh, that was a 90s thing, but it doesn't ruin the experience. Whereas, you know, like you guys have said before, that you can't watch 70s movies a lot because you're like, can't get past the fact that it takes place in the 70s. Um, this movie ages so well and the story is written so well, despite all the rewrites, despite all the craziness. And I think when you look back and appreciate a lot of the little nuances and dialogue and the interactions between characters, it becomes even richer for that. Well, there you have it, folks. Scream 2 did not earn a universal slash, which is not how I was expecting this to go, but it's okay. It's okay. Paris has got some good reasoning behind him. We'll unpack that more in the second half. Uh, this movie is available on Netflix. Don't worry about spending an extra $4 to rent it. You or someone you know already has access to it. So check it out. Join us in the second half. We'll see you in a bit.

SPEAKER_01 36:03

Coming soon to home video.

SPEAKER_00 36:05

A small town is rocked by vicious murders perpetrated by masked killers. The Woodsboro Murders, Mask of a Murderer. True Crime Told by an actual eyewitness. Based on the best-selling true crime novel by Gail Weathers, directed by Gail Weathers, produced by Gail Weathers, starring Gail Weathers, with special appearances by Gail Weathers.

SPEAKER_06 36:30

Alright, welcome back. Scream 2 from the year 1997. Somehow did not get a universal slash. We have four slashes, one hack, and we're gonna unpack exactly why that is in just a moment. But before we do, Alexis, the Gore Score.

SPEAKER_05 36:45

Alright, so it's a slasher. It's a 90 slasher, so you're gonna get your typical slash blood slit throat. You're gonna get all of that really good stuff. Um, I hate the sound effects in this movie just because it's just the crunching of all of the bones in this movie. I have to admit, my favorite scene ever in this movie and kill would be Jada Pickett Smith's character. Of course.

SPEAKER_02 37:13

Pretty iconic.

SPEAKER_05 37:15

Yeah, it's so crazy. It's literally the killing inside of the killing, if that makes sense. So you're like, okay, all this is going on, she's being killed, no one's noticing her, and it's just freaking amazing. It's freaking amazing. With each of these deaths, I don't think it ever gets you, at least in my point, to the killer, though. I was never like, okay, this person had to be the killer. You know, normally in as kills go on in movies, you're like, okay, if it's a whodunit, you're like, okay, I've kind of picked up on who it is now. With this movie, I still was clueless.

SPEAKER_06 37:48

You can for sure see the killer's eyes after one of the last few deaths. Like, really clearly.

SPEAKER_01 37:54

Yeah, in the car, right?

SPEAKER_06 37:56

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 37:56

Yeah, you can see right through the mask. Wait, really?

SPEAKER_05 37:58

Mm-hmm. Oh, and then you knew who exactly who it was.

SPEAKER_01 38:01

No, I'm just saying, you can see you can see their face through the mask after that call. I was like fully kept guessing the whole time.

SPEAKER_07 38:07

In my head, um, you know, we're all like trapped in the house, a lot of people playing a lot of board games and stuff. And I was like, why play clue? Oh my god, when you can just watch this movie. Like it's ridiculous the amount of people that they like try to make you think might be the person. Oh, yeah. I think me and Mac often talk about like trying to figure out who it is before the end or like trying to predict what's gonna happen. I was in this and I was like, Yeah, I'm I'm gonna give up here because I have no idea. And you guys want me to think it's everyone, and I have no idea who it is.

SPEAKER_06 38:35

Okay, so real, real honest question. Did you guys get your prediction right?

SPEAKER_07 38:39

No, I gave up. I was wrong. I don't, I I was like, I don't understand who it could be at this point. But that's like what Scream does is like throw you off the whole time.

SPEAKER_04 38:50

Did you give up?

SPEAKER_07 38:51

Never really I don't know. I never really had before that when Dewey died. I was kind of set on it being Dewey, honestly.

SPEAKER_02 38:59

I I thought it was Dewey as well.

SPEAKER_07 39:00

But Dewey didn't even die. Well, when he didn't die. That part. I'm actually also kind of set on it being him in the third one since he came out alive, you know? Like Dewey turns around, he becomes a killer. I haven't seen it, but sounds good to me.

SPEAKER_02 39:14

I could see that. He had that suspicious limp too, which they barely explained.

SPEAKER_05 39:18

They don't have to explain.

SPEAKER_06 39:20

It was explained very clearly in Scream 1 when he got knifed in the back and severed his nerve.

SPEAKER_02 39:25

I honestly was convinced that David Arquette had something going on like with his own body, and that's why he had a limp. I found that to be more plausible. I did think it was Dewey. Um, but I also had a strong feeling that it might have been Joel, the camera guy.

SPEAKER_05 39:38

Oh yeah, that would have been good too. Interesting.

SPEAKER_02 39:40

I thought that would have been like a really good approach because a lot of like the racial stuff that was discussed by Jada Pinkett's character in the f in the beginning could have lent itself to like it being like a black character as the killer and being like, hey, this is why I'm doing this. Like many reasons could have been explained, but uh it turns out it wasn't him.

SPEAKER_01 39:56

I I did not try to figure out what the motive was gonna be, because in the first one they let you know that like a motive's not important while they're explaining their motives. But um when we got to that point, I was like, oh, this is such a scream like ending here with who they're choosing to be the killer. Definitely so true. They could have picked anybody. I'm glad they didn't pick the boyfriend because they already they already did that, and that would have been super boring had they done it twice in a row. Yeah, exactly. Like this girl's never gonna be able to trust anyone.

SPEAKER_07 40:24

I mean, still maybe never gonna be able to trust anyone exactly.

SPEAKER_01 40:29

Yeah. But I kind of feel like when you see Timothy Olyfont in a movie, you have to be like, that guy's probably the killer. Because he was Hitman.

SPEAKER_06 40:36

I absolutely loved him in this movie.

SPEAKER_01 40:38

I don't know if I've seen him in something I didn't like him in.

SPEAKER_06 40:40

What is he in? Santa Clarita Diet.

SPEAKER_01 40:43

That's what I know him from. Santa Clarita Diet.

SPEAKER_05 40:45

The Crazies Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. I don't watch any of those things. Live free or died hard or die hard. Anything Oscar-worthy, I don't watch. I just watch bee horror.

SPEAKER_06 40:55

Santa Clarita Diet is definitely a Netflix show with Drew Barrymore, which she's a zombie.

SPEAKER_01 41:01

So it's a dark comedy. It's really good.

SPEAKER_06 41:03

Gone in 60 seconds.

SPEAKER_07 41:04

Come on, classics.

SPEAKER_01 41:05

It is kind of fun that Drew Barrymore is in is in that show with Timothy Olifant, and they were both in screen movies. That's kind of fun.

SPEAKER_05 41:12

Interesting. I thought something was up with uh Gail number two, but which is what I called her to. But I was just like, I can't remember. Like I can't remember was she was a killer because she wanted some notoriety, or did she I really didn't think that was it. But then when everyone else is being thrown at it towards the end, I was like, well, damn, this person, no, this person. And then I was just like, you know what? I'm just gonna watch the movie and not try to figure it out. Unlike Mac over here.

SPEAKER_06 41:44

I couldn't forget that she was a killer. I think I was I watched this at a time when I was too young to be able to really form a prediction by any means. Like I was just like, oh, it's really some mass killer. Maybe she doesn't actually know any of them. But looking at it this time, it's so funny to see how many threads lead to that moment. Like when you look back at the preview clip of Stab when it's Luke Wilson, and he's like, it's a whole scene about the mom and the fact that the mom is still out there somewhere, and then you think, oh, I wonder, I wonder, I do wonder what happened to his mom, and what does she think of all this? Blah twist. She wasn't happy.

SPEAKER_01 42:19

I mean, the first in the first movie they did make a you know Friday the thirteenth reference in Drew Bear Moore's you know scene. She got that question wrong. So I'm kind of sad we missed out on on Fred the Janitor in this movie.

SPEAKER_05 42:34

Yeah. You didn't appreciate the sweater reference in the dorm room though? They took my breath away with that. And I'm surprised, Ryan. Did you notice that? It wasn't a like 100% like rip-off of Freddy's sweater, but it definitely was Freddy-ish.

SPEAKER_06 42:51

Oh, I didn't notice that's formal brunch Freddy attire.

SPEAKER_07 42:55

Oh, yeah, since it's free on Netflix, I can go back and look through it again.

SPEAKER_01 43:00

Sorority Freddy.

SPEAKER_06 43:01

Yeah, hipster Freddy. Sorority Freddy with an eye and the heart over the eye. It's uh the prequel to Freddy Krueger, actually.

SPEAKER_07 43:10

Oh my god, stop.

SPEAKER_06 43:11

Really, it's just a documentary looking back on Ryan's college experience.

SPEAKER_07 43:16

This is not my college experience, thank God.

SPEAKER_06 43:19

She's currently living it in quarantine right now. The kill that hurt the most was Randy. The kill that hurt second most was Cece because I really wanted Sarah Michelle Gellert to last longer than she did in this movie. But then the cop at the end, when the pole goes through his head and impales the entire car, that was so disgusting. And I feel like it was the most vicious kill I had seen in that movie. It was pretty intense.

SPEAKER_01 43:48

I feel like his head got squished at the same time, didn't it? Yeah, totally squished. That was just an obliteration of that dude's brain matter.

SPEAKER_05 43:55

You just like see his ear poking through the glass in a very weird way. Sorry. We just came off cabin fever. So I'm like, uh, people say getting smashed, not that big of a deal.

SPEAKER_06 44:07

Next week I want you to watch the curb stomp from Halloween 2018 and let me know how you feel about that now.

SPEAKER_07 44:13

There we go. So my favorite death is similar to Alexis at the beginning when Omar Epps gets stabbed in the ear through the bathroom door. It's like, you know, it's coming the whole time. It's the perfect way to set the scene for this movie. And it's still still unexpected, right? Like, that's not how you expect somebody to die, is a stab through the ear. And I've been watching a lot of um zombie-adjacent films lately and or TV shows. And I'm always thinking about like brain traumas, because that's how you kill zombies, you know, to the head. And I was like, man, he's gonna be gone right away. That sucks.

SPEAKER_06 44:47

Would it really be that right away? Like there's no like moment of consciousness after that.

SPEAKER_07 44:52

I mean, I guess it depends where you get stabbed, but it's definitely not gonna be life. You're not gonna save your life there. It's gonna be real tough.

unknown 44:59

Bingo.

SPEAKER_05 45:00

Wait, were you expecting this because you had seen scary movie first?

SPEAKER_01 45:04

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_05 45:05

No.

SPEAKER_01 45:05

Who did it better though?

SPEAKER_06 45:06

I survived the purity of like not ever having seen a single scary movie movie.

SPEAKER_02 45:11

It's probably for the best for you, Chris.

SPEAKER_06 45:12

Still to this day? Still to this day.

SPEAKER_01 45:15

Oh, you have to just watch the first one.

SPEAKER_06 45:17

Oh god, they're so good. I don't need to laugh. I have funny friends.

SPEAKER_07 45:21

No, I you guys know I purge everything from my memory. So like I know I've seen scary movie, but it's not like it's like in there. So I didn't think about it. And he got this knife to the ear, and I was like, oh, and it just starts this movie up perfect. It was scary movie though, I'm gonna tell you. You definitely watch scary movie. I've seen it, but I wasn't thinking about it.

SPEAKER_05 45:42

So yeah, I get him intertwined.

SPEAKER_06 45:44

I really love that kill because it's like an homage to um Black Christmas 1974. When he's leaning in, and it was something that I can never understand what that person was whispering, you know, when I saw it the first time, but with captions on. Thank you, Netflix. Said, listen, mommy, I did it.

SPEAKER_04 46:00

I'm telling you, I did it.

SPEAKER_06 46:01

Oh it's just so creepy, and it just reminds me of the Billy phone calls from the original Black Christmas, but then the knife through the bathroom stall. We didn't get that with Jada Pinkett, but we did get that with Omar Epps with He Knows You're Alone when the killer originally kills that first girl in the beginning with the knife through the back of the chair. It was a very satisfying opening for me. It was great, very good. Two great kills so far. Paris was yours.

SPEAKER_02 46:28

I mean, with regards to that one, I was a little bit like my suspension of disbelief was pushed to the limit, thinking that you could stab a knife through a bathroom stall, but I was like, well, we'll go with it.

SPEAKER_07 46:38

Okay, it was 1997.

SPEAKER_06 46:39

Anything can penetrate anything with enough force.

SPEAKER_07 46:42

Uh don't know if that's a that's what she said joke. It's 1997, Paris. Everything is like a little more flimsy back in the day.

SPEAKER_02 46:51

I guess so, yeah. I I'll allow it. Um, but my favorite death definitely had to be Sarah Michelle Geller's. Um, there's nothing more classic to me than just like a dumb hot bitch like running through a house, making bad choices, trying to escape a killer. To me, that's just like always gonna be good content. And Sarah Michelle Geller fully delivered on that. Like running up the stairs when that was clearly not a good option. Like in my mind, like you set that alarm. Like you should break a window, do anything to trigger that alarm. But she's like, No, I'm gonna run up the stairs and throw a bicycle down at him. I just loved it.

SPEAKER_07 47:22

Two things. One, you use that word very intentionally. It's not derogatory here, it's intentional for the type of kill that happens. Yes. And two, how much did you appreciate your cell phone when you were watching this scene? And she's on the house phone trying to stay in so she can get reception, but also trying to leave. I was like, ooh, the 90s, you were a time.

SPEAKER_06 47:40

See, I found her to be one of the more intelligent characters in this movie, so I definitely know you're not saying it in a derogatory way, but I love that she was like her immediate reaction was like, Nope, I'm gonna get out. Nope, I'm gonna get out. I mean, the killer is down there on the first floor, and when you panic, you panic, man. I don't blame her. Like Lori Strode also ascended to the top floor and went to the balcony in the original Halloween. Like, I don't give a shit. I care about the first decision that you make when your head is semi-clear. Anything after that, who to judge? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 48:11

That's fair. I definitely use the term dumb bitch with endearment. I identify with most dumb bitches in these movies, they're like my people. If you look at any of my social media feeds, it's just the musings of a stupid bitch, you know? We all have those moments. But yeah, I I love that they gave her like enough, like a little bit of a buildup when she was in the classroom and she was like really contributing to the conversation. Like, she obviously wasn't an unintelligent person. Um, and for me, that actually was a little bit better than the Drew Barrymore kill, which I think they're very similar, the two of those, just because it's like a girl alone in a house gets the phone call. Um, but I liked more that they gave Sarah Michelle Gillar a little bit of like life before they killed her off, as opposed to just like, hey, here's Drew Barrymore in a house. Watch this happen to her. But that's still one of the greatest scenes of all time. So I'm not mad at that one either.

SPEAKER_05 48:56

Yeah. Chris, you uh like that whole entire scene, I had so many Halloween vibes. Just like, oh gosh. I was like, am I watching Halloween or am I watching Scream?

SPEAKER_06 49:07

Yeah, honestly, if you were in this movie, you couldn't swing a cat and let it go and not hit a Halloween reference, realistically. What a way to say that.

SPEAKER_01 49:19

I think my favorite was Randy, because it was broad daylight. And that's that's always awkward in a horror movie for it to be broad daylight.

SPEAKER_05 49:27

That is true. It's unsuspecting.

SPEAKER_01 49:29

Yeah, I think it just makes it really eerie because you don't you can't feel safe even in the daylight, even in the middle of everyone.

SPEAKER_07 49:35

Yeah, and then the when the footage comes up at the end, it's like, man, that's so creepy. But I have to say, if they hadn't showed his body for a second, I would have thought that he was uh faked his death and he's in on it.

SPEAKER_06 49:49

Because it could be anyone. Dun dun dun.

SPEAKER_01 49:52

Poor Jamie Kennedy.

SPEAKER_06 49:53

The kills in this are definitely some of the best that I think we see in the Scream franchise. Obviously, the original excluded. Yeah, I did miss Rose McGowan in a garage door, but that's okay. There are a few more standout moments, and I think that just is a testament to how well this story is built. But I know Paris, you had some faults with this movie. Why did this get a slap a hack from you?

SPEAKER_02 50:15

So it was a lot of small things, and then a big thing at the end. Like you guys were talking about the the kill with the cops in the car. Like the whole scene of them climbing over the killer's body to me was very dumb.

SPEAKER_06 50:29

What else would they do?

SPEAKER_02 50:30

Write that scene differently so that it's not the situation.

SPEAKER_06 50:35

That's why.

SPEAKER_02 50:35

Yeah, I was like, this is too much.

SPEAKER_06 50:37

I thought doors opening was a gimmick until I got into a car accident and could not open my door that looked to be perfectly fine because of the frame shifting. I that made total sense to me. I'm okay with that.

SPEAKER_07 50:48

Very true. But to Paris' point, to crawl over a body and to be Sydney in this situation and been here before, and to not pull the mask off was so infuriating.

SPEAKER_03 51:00

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 51:01

It's this like movie drama moment that makes no sense, and it's absolutely infuriating to watch a movie and watch somebody not pull a mask off of somebody that they clearly need to know who it is, and she knows what's gonna happen. Why did they run away from the car before they got to the point of wanting to figure out who it was? It's ridiculous. That'd be the first thing I did.

SPEAKER_06 51:18

She wanted to pull it off, and then I mean, I honestly don't blame her. Like the friend was crazy. The friend should not have you know intervened in pulling off the mask at all. But I get why Sydney paused because the friend is asking her to like I think if Sydney was alone in that moment, she would have done it, but she also has to make sure that her friend gets out of the car. Because while Sydney may be able to squirm out, if that guy wakes up or if that woman wakes up, whatever, yeah, they're screwed.

SPEAKER_07 51:47

So two things. Don't you think it would be easier to climb over a person if you could see their face and know if they were gonna like move? And then two, still don't walk away from the car once you guys both get out. It's a ridiculous moment.

SPEAKER_06 51:57

No that I want the risk of taking the mask off without being a hundred percent sure like how fat like how tight is it it is on them, and then wanting to wake them up. So you walk away from the car?

SPEAKER_01 52:09

No, you pummeled them in the throat if you think something they might get back out. Do something. Just keep punching.

SPEAKER_07 52:14

Yeah, it's dumb. And then literally she walks away and she's like, Oh, I can't call the police. As soon as I do, he'll be gone. And it's exactly what happened. And it's just like, oh, that was great foreshadowing five seconds ago. Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 52:27

And I love what the best friend said. She's like, dumb people go back to the car and smart people run away. We're smart people. Let's get out of here. And she's like, Mmm, no, this is gonna be better as a plot device, or just like a tease, I guess. That plus all of David Arquette's acting was very bad to me. What?

SPEAKER_05 52:45

But it was bad in number one. So what did you expect? No, this was my favorite Dewey.

SPEAKER_02 52:50

Oh, come on. It looked like he was passing a kidney stone every time the camera was on his face.

SPEAKER_06 52:54

That's his face. Leave him alone.

SPEAKER_02 52:56

Yeah, I guess I just don't like his face. And then all of the scenes where they like focused on him and Courtney Cox arquette. I was like, this is cute as like a one-scene nod, but that whole like long drawn-out montage where they're playing like that Western music while they like run around looking for a VCR. I was like, okay, this is truly dragging on. And with very little payoff because nobody even died of the two of them. And then the last thing that just flopped for me was the ending. The initial reveal of it being the classmate whose name I don't remember at all, because he was given maybe two scenes before turning out to be the killer. There wasn't enough development into that character for me to be like, oh, it could have been him. I was like, well, he was just kind of like the uh Randy of the second movie, so sure, maybe, okay, it can be him. Um, and then they they teased with like it being the boyfriend as well, and I was like, uh, I really hope that's not true, which it turned out not to be.

SPEAKER_05 53:49

Was that not an intense scene for you though?

SPEAKER_02 53:51

Uh it was a really conflicting scene because initially I was like, oh, this is a bad way to end this movie with him as the killer. That's stupid. It wasn't like any of the top five people I thought it could have been that would have been better. For a while, I actually thought it was the two main sorority girls, and they were doing it like as part of some kind of like hazing, and I thought that would have been really fun. Okay. But then when they revealed that it was Lori Metcalf and she was the mom, I was like, okay, I like this direction that it's going in. I like that as a choice because that's a character we haven't heard anything of. She's been here all along, so it's perfectly plausible that she could be the killer. But then she's like, Yeah, we met online, and he's a serial killer, so I just like got him as part of my plan.

SPEAKER_07 54:28

That whole spiel about meeting online, meeting on the internet, and there being 97 serial killers in the country or whatever. Oh my god, that was so bad. Like, so cringy.

SPEAKER_02 54:39

And then just like the length of that altercation on that stage was just too long. It was like, how many people can we have in this standoff? Like they're like, oh, now Courtney Cox is here, and then also Cotton's here, and like it was just too much. It did the most.

SPEAKER_07 54:54

I also loved it. Also, when she starts making affair allegations about Sydney's mother, is that something that I missed from the first one?

SPEAKER_01 55:02

Yeah, that happened in the first one.

SPEAKER_07 55:04

Okay, okay. Because when I look, you That was the motivation of the killer in the first one. Cause I I purge things for my brain and I was like, what is she talking about?

SPEAKER_02 55:13

Well, but the whole scene where they're like fighting on the stage, like first when she's like trapped by all the scenery, I was like, okay, move upstage and get off the stage. Like you're not actually trapped here. Dumb. And then just like the it just kept like it felt like they were trying to one-up themselves with every new reveal and new like piece of information. Like, oh, this one's not dead, but now this one's here and this one's not dead. And now over here, these like I guess real stone blocks that they're using as props are gonna fall on somebody and kill them, even though those should not be real stones.

SPEAKER_07 55:45

Yes. If you've ever been on a a theater set in a school, it's nothing that will kill you.

SPEAKER_02 55:51

Well, there are things, but she's like running around backstage, like cutting lights and like making shit fall on Lori Metcalf, and then she like takes a moment to shake that thunder thing just for like the effect of it. It really just like took me out of the severity of that scene.

SPEAKER_06 56:04

That's part of what this movie does, though. It is a comedy.

SPEAKER_07 56:09

Yes, I completely agree with you, but it is unfortunately what you get when you sign up for a scream movie. I don't think it was done perfectly, but it it's that's what you expect. Like when they go off on these tangents and all these different people come into it and it's all very dramatic. That's what we get. That's what we love.

SPEAKER_02 56:27

There was nothing in the original ending that had me like laughing at the stupidity of it, you know?

SPEAKER_06 56:32

Wait, what?

SPEAKER_02 56:32

The ending in the first movie was so intense for me, and it still is.

SPEAKER_06 56:35

Stu was not stupid to you?

SPEAKER_02 56:37

Okay, first of all, Stu's acting compared to this guy's acting, no comparison at all. You could tell that he was trying to do a Stu with this performance that he gave, which for having a character with no development seemed really out of the blue.

SPEAKER_06 56:50

Hmm, I don't know about that. Stu ha bleeding on the phone, saying, My mom's gonna kill me.

SPEAKER_03 56:55

Oh, I love that. That was so real.

SPEAKER_06 56:57

There were uh several things in that movie that were goofy as fuck.

SPEAKER_03 57:00

Amazing, but they felt sincere.

SPEAKER_06 57:02

But this movie also continues that threat.

SPEAKER_07 57:05

Can I just say, like, the two-hour time frame of this movie is a little long. I feel like Alexa should agree with me. She likes an hour and a half here.

SPEAKER_05 57:14

Well, I'm a little biased because I had to work during the quarantine, so you're down for a long movie. So I was doing I was multitasking during this, but I at one point checked out a little bit and it was where Paris was discussing like the whole like David R. K. and Courtney Cox sort of like shenanigans. So I'm like, okay, this isn't important to the plot, let's keep going.

SPEAKER_07 57:37

Yeah, I feel like there's like maybe like 15 minutes that could have been easily cut from this. It just felt a little long. Like, I want Scream to be a quick fun watch.

SPEAKER_02 57:45

Ryan, are you thinking about the scene where he gets up on the table and sings to her? Because that could have been done without completely.

SPEAKER_07 57:51

I mean, just so much of it. Like him defending himself, him like saying, like, maybe I just played dumb on purpose, and then the the only thing I did like is like the projection when they had the VHS on, and then it started playing like the other footage. That was a part that I did enjoy, but it did need to be in the context that it was.

SPEAKER_06 58:09

See, I love the arc that we get for Deputy Dewey and uh Fair Weather Gail. I really I love that, and I love that you know, we get to see Dewey not being so dim-witted, and we see that Dewey has feelings, and we see that Gail, you know, Dewey and Gail didn't have the happy ending. It seemed like they might have had. She might not have been as good of a person. This movie is a big old redemption arc for her. This was my favorite Dewey, and it might have been my favorite Gail. I have to refresh myself on Scream 3 to really make that determination. I just remember her having terrible bangs in Scream 3.

SPEAKER_02 58:45

I guess one last thing with the ending. She literally smacks him in the face with a necklace and then he goes flying.

SPEAKER_07 58:50

Yes, they kept showing it, and I was like, I don't know why they're showing this necklace, because that's not a weapon.

SPEAKER_02 58:55

Yeah, I was like, is she gonna choke him?

SPEAKER_07 58:57

What yeah, that was that was rough.

SPEAKER_01 58:59

So the ending for me, I felt like was a fitting scream ending, you know, especially compared to the first, where we learned that like we're gonna learn about their their motive and it but it doesn't like need to make sense. And this one completely made no sense to me for the motive. At least behind um Timothy Oliphant's character. I think for you know the Pamela Voorhees here, it it worked for me. Like that was cool to have that thrown in there. Uh especially because she seems like it's obviously she's out she's out of place the second you see her in this movie, and her character is like really weird and random.

SPEAKER_04 59:34

I agree.

SPEAKER_01 59:35

So it's you're like something's up there from the like the moment we meet her. So that was great that she turned out to be one of the killers. But I don't know, I the the stage effects we were we were laughing at while watching it. It's like, okay, that's that's silly, like that's styrofoam, just like get off the stage, etc. But I feel like that kind of lent itself to the comedy of the movie a little bit. But I heard there was like alternate endings or like endings that they had shown where there was another ghost face like in the campus. And I would have preferred to see that in this version.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:09

And I would like something like that too. Like I would like you know, I think it's Scream is a perfect like movie, like that you can actually go ahead and like throw something really random in, and people aren't like, well, that didn't make sense. Well, guess what? It doesn't really need to make sense. It's okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:28

Hear me out college cult of ghost faces.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:31

Oh yeah. I love that.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:33

Yep, could totally see it.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:34

I'm down. I mean, don't get me wrong, Lori Metcalf gave a really good performance as the killer, uh, and her her motivation made a lot of sense to me. But there were just two, it could have there was a lot of fat in that scene that could have been trimmed to make it a more satisfying ending.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:48

But no one likes the jumbleness of the beginning, like the of the or like the explanation of it. I don't know. I like wholeheartedly when you get an ending, and some I have to admit, like sometimes there are where I'm like, okay, I don't need the entire explanation. But this one, like, I would have totally been fine with like giving me a little bit of backstory on why you're here and what you're doing, what you're doing.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:11

I would have been happier if Mickey wasn't Mickey and it was just a random person that um Mrs. Loomis had found to do the actual killing for her because he had no really intent or purpose. He was crazy. There wasn't enough development for it to be somebody that we had met already, but we didn't know him, so I think a a stranger would have made more sense there.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:29

It would have been cool if he was uh the cousin of one of the killers from the first movie.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:35

I honestly thought he looked a lot like Billy when he first showed him.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:37

That's because he was for sure channeling his inner Billy.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:40

Scream could easily do like what Clue did with that movie and just film multiple endings, and I'd watch all of them and probably enjoy them.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:47

What stood out to you guys about visually about this movie?

SPEAKER_05 1:01:49

I'm gonna be completely honest, and this is probably where I just leave my feelings just and let everyone else talk. But this movie is kind of like a I don't know, visually, it's like cut and dry sort of. Like it's a very like it's not documentary style where you have it jumbled, but it's very like matter of fact. Simple. Yeah, and it's simple, and I appreciate that. Um, I appreciate that because it lets you see the facts for what it is and it lets you play this Who Done It without giving clues in the context of the film, which I appreciate.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:22

Yeah, I feel exactly the same way. Um I really like obviously watching the 90s in this movie, like um Courtney Cox, aside from her being real fine, like just the thing she's wearing, like a halter top suit dress, like it's it's a whole there's a whole thing happening, and it it's it goes throughout all the characters, and it's not like um so over the top, like it maybe doesn't stand out to everyone, like it's not like this is 90s style, but it really it's like realistic and it's awesome. So I don't think there's like a lot of really groundbreaking camera work and stuff like that, but it it's just really nice to watch this movie. It's it's like you're there, it's real great.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:04

I I love the movie within the movie. Yes, I think seeing the little recreation of the first screen was fantastic, and they chose great actors to play in them.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:13

I agree with that. Uh, I think the opening scene overall is just so beautiful, especially when you look at um the the scene with the lighting of the projector hitting this big screen and Maureen is climbing up on top, and then you have this moment where everything just gets really serious, right? Like people were kind of confused or taking off their masks. What is what is that moment and how traumatic would that have been if you saw that? I absolutely loved it.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:38

My favorite visual element of the movie was sort of what you and Ryan were saying, Alexis. For me, uh any movie that has a lot of women in it is really great in my book, and just the way that all of the women and female characters were styled, from like their apparel to their hair, to like the fact that at one point uh Gail is literally smoking a Virginia Slim, which is like so on brand for her as a character, that really brought me joy. Like, specifically the scene where you see like the sorority girls walk up. The moment you see them walk up, you know exactly who those girls are, you know exactly what they're there to do, and just the way that it treated like fashion and like styling choices um as a device to convey information about these characters that we are either being introduced to now or that we already know. I felt like that was super effective in this movie.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:23

Yeah, I love that about the 90s. I feel like you don't necessarily get that nowadays. People kind of dress now like how they want to, like however their mood is. Or like the 90s. Or like the 90s. The 90s are making it come back. But yeah, no, I really appreciate that. How you get some of the subtle hints, even just what they're like what they're wearing.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:43

I have a quick question for everybody, just like bringing this uh movie into like your reality. So when Gail is in the sound room and Ghost Space is outside and he can't get in, he's trying to break into the window and everything after Dewey's already gone and all that, and then he leaves. How long would you have to stay in that room before you felt comfortable to walk out of it?

SPEAKER_06 1:05:04

Next day.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:04

Yeah, next day, easy. I'm with Chris next day. Same.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:08

I think I would not be able to leave that room until someone else came in and got me. I would pretend I wasn't in there and be like up against the wall.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:15

Yeah. I would need like three or four people or a couple officers, like because I'm not gonna trust a single person.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:22

So true, so true. I was watching that, I was like, mm-mm, I ain't coming out.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:26

This is how I know I'm a dumb bitch because I feel like you gotta strike while the iron's hot and get out immediately.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:31

Who are you?

SPEAKER_02 1:05:32

And then I'd probably get killed. Very true.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:34

Talking mad trash about Sarah Michelle Geller.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:37

She's an icon, she was my favorite part of this movie. Let's just get that out of the way.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:41

I do have a question.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:43

So we have those two cops, right? Those two cops, Officer Richards, Officer Andrews. One of them might be gay. They have this funny little exchange in the car. But uh, we do know that one of them is a Capricorn and a Gemini. And Paris, I don't know. What would that do for their working relationship?

SPEAKER_02 1:06:00

Honestly, I am a Capricorn. Mac is a Gemini. We actually have three Capricorns on this team.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:05

Wow. I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:07

I feel like it bodes well for their relationship. It's a good balance. And the moment I heard that, because I like to pretend astrology is real because it's fun, uh, the moment she like diagnosed their signs, I was like, oh, here we go. I'm gonna see what these two fellas do and like see if it pans out. The Gemini dying immediately was pretty on brand. And then the Capricorn, like fighting tooth and nail and like never really dying until being fully impaled, and even then just kind of like twitching a little bit. Uh, that was on brand as well.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:32

I really appreciated that he still like wanted to fire his gun, but was still trying to tell them to get down so he wouldn't accidentally hit them and still put them before himself. That was commitment.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:42

We're very responsible signs.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:44

I would like to know that I don't condone this conversation at all. I would like to say astrology is real. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:51

Astrology is fun, it's it's as real as your dreams. If you make them real, I guess they're real.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:57

I don't know. I'm not really like a Capricorn. Chris is more a Capricorn than I am. You think so? Oh, hell yeah. I'm not headstrong. I'm just like, whatever.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:05

Yeah, but you are dark sided.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:07

Oh, yeah, I can be. And I also am dating and living with another Capricorn. Bonus content. Paris is gonna give us full analysis of our personalities. Please.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:16

I'll do your birth charts.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:17

Two Capricorns living with each other. Tell me about that. I will say looking back, one of my favorite things about this movie is the moment when uh we have Debbie Salt, who is just you know, speculating that, well, if they're trying to recreate Woodsboro, maybe the killer is from Woodsboro. And then the immediate scene, you have Mickey in the cafeteria trying to also deflect and cast doubt on other people. That was one of those things that I didn't appreciate when I first watched this movie, but again, the signs are there all along.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:47

I love that because you can definitely like that's why this movie has so much rewatch value. Like you could just I mean, I feel like I can watch this later on tonight and feel um not feel completely different. Like I'd still enjoy this movie, but like literally see tens of different of things I hadn't seen before, which is like why this movie should get a slash and no hacks at all. But it's okay. She's not mad.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:14

I do also want to make just take a second to acknowledge that this movie, regardless of where it stands in your memories now, this movie made some waves and it also isn't remembered for particularly great points. Uh, there was an actual murder where two young boys killed a woman and then subsequently blamed the Scream movies as part of that. Now, obviously, they had other issues going on there as well. So the dialogue that's created in this movie, which I don't know that was addressed so many times before, you know, Scream is a franchise that made its mark on does life imitate art or does art live imitate life, right? Or is it a symbiotic relationship and how do those two things balance out? So I'd be curious to know uh what our listeners think. Right? We have uh some stuff to learn here in just a moment from fact or fiction, but guys, the the conversation about Scream is so big because of what it did for horror, the conversation can't possibly end here. Now, Mac, what information do you have for us?

SPEAKER_01 1:09:12

Information or fibs.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:14

Probably more fibs and him.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:16

Mostly fibs. You never know with me. Alright, number one, Tori Spelling was insulted by the reference to her in the original Scream, as she was uh turned down for the role of Sydney originally and demanded to be cast in the sequel.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:30

Fact. She seems petty like that. Fiction.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:35

I'm giving the exact same fact as Alexis.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:38

I'm gonna say fiction.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:40

You've made a good choice. It was fiction, I just made it up because it seems fun.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:44

Now I seem like a bitch. Thanks. Uh for his spelling, I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:48

Good, apologize. Number two. Sarah Michelle Geller and Jerry O'Connell could not stand each other and asked to be in as few scenes together as possible.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:56

Fact. He seems annoying. Yeah, I'm gonna say the same there.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:00

Fact, same thing.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:01

That's a fiction.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:02

It is a fiction. They dated during shooting.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:04

Okay, I hate you. Like right now, I just hate you.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:07

I actually thought that's where the question was gonna go, but then I was like, oh, they both seem plausible.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:11

It was too obvious, Alexis.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:13

Number three. Jada Pinkett Smith sent West Craven a set of stake knives for Christmas after filming Scream 2.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:20

It's so tempting. Fact. Fiction. But probably a fact.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:24

I'm gonna say fact because I've been siding with Alexis and it hasn't done me well.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:29

Fact.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:30

It is indeed a fact.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:31

I love it.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:32

Alexis's face right now. Yeah, I wish you could see it over the airwaves. Number four, this movie shares two actors with Big Bang Theory.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:41

Never watched it. It's one of those things that's like friends. Never watched it, don't care. So um it is not, it is not like friends.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:50

You should apologize to Courtney Cox right now.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:52

Courtney Cox, I'm sure you're a great person, but friends is overrated. It is overrated.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:58

I'm gonna say fact. I'm gonna say fact, but it feels wrong. Fiction.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:05

I'm gonna say fiction just because I'm not too familiar with the show, but I don't think I saw any of the main characters.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:10

Oh man, it's a fact. Lori Metcalf and Jerry O'Connell. They play uh Sheldon's mother and brother.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:17

Uh I thought it was I thought it was uh our boy Cotton. I was wrong.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:22

Good old Liv Schreiber.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:24

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:24

Yep, it was Jerry O'Connell, one of my faves from Sliders. Number five, Titanic's release. I'm sorry, the movie Titanic. Its release was pushed back a week in anticipation of Scream 2's success since they were set to release on the same day.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:38

No, fiction. Fiction.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:39

I'm gonna say fiction.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:40

It's a fact. Oh, we're too cocky.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:42

It is a fact.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:43

Oh my god, are you kidding me?

SPEAKER_01 1:11:45

Indeed, they were concerned that it was gonna be so successful that it would uh you know stomp on their business for Titanic.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:51

Was Titanic a big movie when it released?

SPEAKER_02 1:11:54

My mom dragged me to the theater to see it and I fell asleep during the boob scene.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:58

But I also think you underestimate how profitable Scream was. And they're making part two less than a year. That's true. You make a good point, Chris.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:07

And thank you. That was fact or fiction.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:09

And once again, you screwed us. I don't know, man. I feel like his statements were a little bit more objective today than they have been in the past.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:15

You're getting better, Mac.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:16

There were randoms kicking in.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:17

That's what they were. Thank you. They weren't objective, they were about people liking each other and being hurt, their feelings being hurt. Give us real facts. Is this e news? Wait on Mac.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:28

This is a Snapchat channel.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:30

Yeah, there you go.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:32

There you have it, folks. Scream 2 from 1997 has uh shed a lot of light on what life was like back in the 90s. It also set this tone for you know the way horror would continue in the years to come. There's a lot to say about this movie. A lot that we haven't even begun to cover here. So let's please keep the conversation going. Reach out to us. Uh, and there are uh so many different ways that you can reach out to us. First at our website, www.hackerslash.com.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:59

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SPEAKER_01 1:13:14

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SPEAKER_06 1:13:19

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