SPEAKER_04 0:04

They just like put two prosthetic vaginas over her eyes and called it a day.

SPEAKER_03 0:12

Greetings and salutations, and welcome to Hacker Slash. If you're joining us again, welcome back. As we go on, we'll remember all these times that uh we've had together. Now, if this is your first time listening, welcome to the party. We are a horror movie review podcast dedicated to telling you whether a movie is a hack, total joke, waste of time, or a slash.

SPEAKER_01 0:32

Totally killer, unintended.

SPEAKER_03 0:34

My name is Chris, and I'm your friendly neighborhood slasher enthusiast. This week I'm joined by the Superfly Space Guy Mac, Hula Muchachos, the Gore Lover Lexus, Hey Rewind, the Cowardly Cooper Ryan, and the Scream Queen Paris.

SPEAKER_04 0:47

Hey sweets.

SPEAKER_03 0:48

Graduation season is upon us, and we at Hackerslash know it's going to be a tough one for the class of 2020 due to the impacts of social distancing. We thought though, why not just show you what you won't have to deal with by not being on campus? First though, we do have some follow-up.

SPEAKER_04 1:04

So a few episodes ago, we did the movie Cabin Fever, and a lot of our listeners reached out on Twitter. We have a comment from Spencer. He said, Normally I hate horror that feels a little too absurd and more comedy than horror. When I watched this back in high school, I remembered thinking it was mediocre, but I revisited it in October and I really liked it. The cabin setting is a fave, and then references Evil Dead. Additionally, I think the premise was scary enough in theory that it still has a terrifying element to make it worthwhile. Weird to say, but I think this was the best movie as a whole that Eli Roth has done. And some of our team members definitely agree with that.

SPEAKER_03 1:36

For sure. Some. By some, you mean what me. I love Spencer so much, uh, but Cabin Fever is just such a doozy. Such a doozy. Officer, we've had a doozy of a day. Alright, guys, well, we have another 80 slasher this week, and this time you cannot blame me for it. It was all Alexis. Now, in this movie, we take a look at tragedy that befalls a track team in their senior year and the revenge that's taken because of it. This week, we're talking about the 1981 semi-hit, depending on where you lived in the country, graduation day. Now, I'm gonna go out on a limb here and make a bold guess that uh no one here has seen this movie before this episode.

SPEAKER_01 2:17

Correct.

SPEAKER_03 2:18

Very correct. You already know.

SPEAKER_01 2:20

Fact.

SPEAKER_03 2:21

I know I was wondering maybe if like Ryan happened to have seen this on TV randomly many years ago. I'm sorry. Is there a different Ryan here?

SPEAKER_06 2:30

Me? Of course I have it.

SPEAKER_03 2:32

It would have been hilarious because I also actually have not seen this movie. Ooh. No connection to it whatsoever. I didn't know it existed. I know that there are a few other movies of a similar title, but looking at the premise of the introduction of this movie, I had a few expectations myself. I expected, and I didn't keep track, so Alexis, well, I guess we'll find out later in the body count. I expected single-digit body count uh with low gore. We'll see. Uh, a revenge storyline with a who-done it vibe with multiple suspects, and a mediocre 80 score, but no synths. So we'll find out in this episode how right I was, but what did you guys expect?

SPEAKER_04 3:09

I honestly thought that this movie was gonna suck. For some reason, the title reminded me of like The Graduate Plus Groundhog's Day, which neither of those films have I seen, but I feel like that would be an interesting mashup because I know the premise of them. I also kind of thought it would be like Graduation Day pranks, like similar to April Fool's Day, um, because I know that's a thing that kids do. And then for some reason I was also just assuming that this was gonna be like a college graduation and it wasn't, which I don't know why I didn't think about high school.

SPEAKER_06 3:33

Yeah. Yeah. Um, I would say I pretty much expected many of the same things as you, Chris. I expected this to be a bad movie, just the same as Paris. I'd you guys know me. Um I'd hate to be this person here, but I don't like 80 slashers. Um, not all it's not a rule, but it tends to be the case. It's just very hard for me to get into it. So I definitely went in apprehensive. Um, and I expected uh a bunch of silliness going on. And um, you know, it's it's a high school kids movie, not a kids movie. Disney. It's a movie about high school kids that uh got some shenanigans going on, you know. It is what it is.

SPEAKER_03 4:14

You know, and let's be clear, yes, Ryan, you don't like 80 slasher, but there have been a few that you have slashed, so I think it just is a further testament of like when you know that Ryan likes this movie, it's gonna be a good movie, you definitely gotta watch it.

SPEAKER_06 4:27

Yes, it's not like I just have an attachment to 80 slashers, and so I I'll tell you to watch this movie. Like, I won't tell you to watch an 80 slasher unless it's good. Um, so I try not to just, you know, wipe it across the board, but yeah, that appreciation for you came ten years later in the 90s.

SPEAKER_03 4:43

But that's yeah, exactly, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 4:45

I was kind of expecting trash, to be honest, when I'm reading 1981 Slasher, and a title I've never heard of. I was like, yeah, this is gonna be like total B-movie garbage. We'll see how right I was.

SPEAKER_03 4:59

I would like to point out that we had the same situation with Hell Knight, and Hell Knight was a great movie. Also with New Year's Evil.

SPEAKER_01 5:08

Uh, New Year's Evil, um, that's debatable, but these are all subjective terms.

SPEAKER_03 5:14

It was good enough for Ryan to slash one of them. True.

SPEAKER_02 5:16

I thought this was gonna be like mostly what Chris had said, but like a play on graduation day and something similar, like you guys mentioned to April Fool's Day. So I was expecting to really enjoy it because I what did not think I was going to like another 80 slasher, but you know, when I w when we watched April Fool's Day, I was very pleasantly surprised. So I was hoping this was gonna fall down that same path, and we'll find out if it did.

SPEAKER_03 5:40

We're all on similar pages here with our expectations. I will say that while I was watching this movie, I was color-coding it like I was just, you know, kind of brain dumping my notes, so then color-coding it later. And I expected a lot of red, but there was a little bit of green that poked in there, uh, a little bit a little bit of laughs, a little bit of chuckles. And I will say that there is a uh woman in this movie whose character I was really into until I suddenly really wasn't. But we'll see how that goes. We'll see how that goes. There's a lot of high points in here, and there are some notes of dialogue that I think hit really well when you think about it, but I don't know how consistent it was. So I'm I'm curious about how you guys felt while you're watching this. Were you bored? Were you amused? Ooh, I physically had to force myself to keep watching this.

SPEAKER_06 6:26

Just based on the the way 80 slashers are like even at the beginning, there's uh track meet and like all these different events going on, and people in the stands just cheering as hard as they can. And I'm like, I know I already said this joke to you guys, but ain't nobody cheering for a shot put. It's nobody was yelling your name when you were the shot put star. And so those little things that are just a part of these 80s movies, which I understand I wasn't a part of the 80s, life is life, but they take me out of it, and it's so hard for me to get attached. So I'd would like pause it and like I had a food delivery come in, and then I was like, Oh, I have to finish watching this movie, unfortunately. So unfortunately, that's where I was at.

SPEAKER_02 7:08

I fell into that too, definitely. Um, especially since what is this movie? Like almost two hours. Yeah, for over an hour and a half, yeah. Yeah, and I literally had to split it in two days because I was just kind of confused on how they wanted me to feel versus how I was feeling because it was like, is this a drama? Is it horror? Is it a comedy? Like, and it wasn't very specific on what it needed to be.

SPEAKER_04 7:34

Yeah, I was definitely bored as well during this movie. Um, it was only a little over an hour and a half, but it was a very long hour and a half. There were a few moments that I was entertained, but I don't know if I was entertained for the right reasons.

SPEAKER_02 7:46

Okay, never mind. I feel like this movie was two hours, guys.

SPEAKER_04 7:50

Oh, it felt like it.

SPEAKER_02 7:51

It felt that long.

SPEAKER_03 7:52

If this was a VHS, this would have feel to you, Alexis, like one of those VHSs that come in a two-pack. And you have to like change tape. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 8:00

Yes, or the ones that take forever to rewind because no one rewinded it before they gave it to you.

SPEAKER_06 8:05

I was gonna say, imagine watching this movie and then you finally get through it and you still have to rewind it.

SPEAKER_01 8:10

Oh god. Please be kind. Mac, did you like this movie? Um, we'll get to that, but about how I felt about it while watching it, I'll say that I'm glad I'm not epileptic because some of the camera work and editing and like visuals were super trippy and really matched the incredibly funky soundtrack that went along with it.

SPEAKER_06 8:33

Dude, I totally agree. I was hurting the epilepsy triggers were real, and it was infective in some scenes, but most of the time, 90% of the time it wasn't.

SPEAKER_02 8:45

I think there was one scene where I was like, that's cool, and that scene, and then everything else, I was like, what am I watching?

SPEAKER_06 8:51

I agree. I feel like they found this cutscene technique and were just like, ooh, you know when this would be great? The whole movie.

SPEAKER_03 8:59

This movie it does some interesting things, it really pulls at your heartstrings, or tries to at least in the beginning of this movie. And then there are some points that it tries with suspense, and you kind of have this like this creeping figure around, and you're trying to figure out like who's the killer, you know, who's gonna who's gonna get it next. But it gets to like the third act, and it felt for it felt like forever, and that's me saying that. I I love a good long movie, you know, 90 minutes, 120 minutes, I'm down for it. But I remember just sitting in my chair, like, oh god, okay, oh, I mean, how many final fights are we gonna have here, guys? Was there anything within this though that you guys found surprising?

SPEAKER_01 9:43

Yeah, I'll say I was surprised by how strongly they're really pushing the viewer to try to determine who the killer is. It's really overt. The entire movie, they're like, look, this person, they could be the killer. Wait, no, this person, they could be the killer. No, wait, this third person though, they could be the killer. And there's no reason why any of them would be, but we're gonna try to make you guess. Like everyone apparently owns the same clothing as the killer. So But it was like really, really out, like in your face that they really want you to try to figure it out through the whole movie.

SPEAKER_02 10:18

Yeah, and I like that. Like in Scream they do it really well, but not here, not at all.

SPEAKER_04 10:25

Yeah, it definitely had Scream vibes with the the the fake outs of who the killer could be. Um, but the thing that surprised me the most was like how like pervy the relationship was between pretty much every faculty member at this school and the students. Did you guys pick up on that? Or how could you not?

SPEAKER_02 10:41

Yeah, no, they're all prodigars. The music teacher, literally, Mr.

SPEAKER_06 10:46

Roberts, from start to finish, the worst character. Yeah, in every way. Things that happened to him, what he did, everything. Everything he said, every word, I was like, oh god. Honestly, not even a great singer. There I said it. No, not at all.

SPEAKER_04 11:00

I thought that was intentional.

SPEAKER_06 11:02

As a side note, there was a lot of singing in this movie.

SPEAKER_04 11:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 11:05

When you start to think about it, I think we heard almost like four whole songs in this movie.

SPEAKER_03 11:10

It's not a good 80s movie without some kind of musical number of kids raging real hard getting drunk, but the the party scene in this movie last way too long. Oh my god. It's like their whole demo tape.

SPEAKER_04 11:23

And it came like right after another musical sequence. There was so much like musical breaks in this song or in this movie.

SPEAKER_06 11:29

The thing that really surprised me was, and I know that Alexis will talk about this so much, but I was so surprised by the change in the gore. Like throughout the kills that happen in this movie, they start at this one place and just they change completely by the end of the movie. And obviously, we'll talk about that more in detail, but that was something that really threw me off because at first I was like, this is goofy, and it really changed all the way through to the end where you were like, Oh, I I can't talk trash about you know the gore in this movie anymore. But we'll talk more about that. But that was the thing that threw me off, though.

SPEAKER_03 12:02

That's totally fair. I I think I was surprised by the writing. For the most part, this movie has really patchy spots where things don't really feel like they fit together, and maybe that was just the way it was delivered, but the dialogue in this movie, like this movie opens up, and this isn't gonna spoil anything for you guys, like a young athlete dies in the very beginning of this movie, and it is a catalyst for everything that happens afterwards. And there's a point where you kind of feel this tension and resentment building from the rest of the world against the coach. And you know, that's palpable, it's real, it's understandable. We get further along in the movie and we start to see more human sides of the coach and kind of exploring that a little bit more. It seems as though this may have had more depth than ended up being portrayed on screen.

SPEAKER_06 12:54

Like maybe we were maybe missing some of the scenes that would like let us get deeper into him.

SPEAKER_03 12:59

Yes, or that if it was better directed, if it was better directed or better portrayed, and we had like the gentleman who played the coach, um, and we you look at some of the the higher build cast members, there are some people in this movie that had very successful careers. I just don't think that experience or that talent was well rounded. Side note, how do you guys feel about seeing Vanna White in this movie?

SPEAKER_04 13:24

Wait, what? Doris?

SPEAKER_03 13:27

Vanna White, whom is a household name in America, is Doris. Wow.

SPEAKER_05 13:33

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 13:34

I did not recognize her.

SPEAKER_02 13:36

There you go. Yep, there it is.

SPEAKER_04 13:39

Ah, that's so hot for her.

SPEAKER_02 13:41

That's what really surprised me then.

SPEAKER_04 13:43

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 13:43

The girl from Wheel of Fortune. Vanna White.

SPEAKER_04 13:47

So Vanna White's known for like always wearing like nice gowns. And one episode, she actually wore my best friend's prom dress from like three years ago. What? And we were like, Kathen, that's your prom dress on Vanna White, which like she got at a Boskov. So Vanna looks glamorous, but there's no budget there.

SPEAKER_03 14:04

So you had to put yourself into the perspective of 80 slashers and looking at some of the attention that they try to create in certain moments. Did you think that any of the moves or any of the suspense created by the killer was successful?

SPEAKER_06 14:20

I will say the only suspense I felt is that I didn't know who the killer was. And there's definitely intentional finger pointing that happens during this movie, but I I I mean, maybe it's for lack of trying, but I didn't know who it was at the end. Um or before the end. So that is something that kept me at least curious about the movie, if not necessarily scared.

SPEAKER_01 14:44

I I don't think the suspense for me was super effective. I felt like it was kind of superficial and really deliberate. It was kind of like this is suspenseful. You are watching suspense right now. Continue watching, enjoy the suspense. So it just wasn't, it would, it would, it wasn't effective for what I enjoy.

SPEAKER_02 14:59

But didn't you guys like it's crazy I'm keep comparing this to Scream, but at this point, like you know, he falls and he's like, Oh, I'm gonna try going this way, you know. And in certain scenes, I'm like, this is just too it's realistic, but it it didn't transpire the way I thought, where I was like, oh, this is realistic.

SPEAKER_03 15:16

Y'all want y'all want a clumsy killer? Here's a clumsy killer, and then they didn't really do it well. Super clumsy, not like Sackhead Jason.

SPEAKER_02 15:24

I was just about to say that's a little, but that there's more tension in that movie, so it delivers a little bit better than in this movie. You just not knowing what to do, and you're like, okay, is he supposed to be like just portraying someone real? Or I mean, what is why like supernatural killers? You don't gotta worry because they don't do any of this shit, they just do whatever they want. They're just showing up, doing the thing, and going home, or going to your home, flying out of windows and shit.

SPEAKER_04 15:51

I feel like the movie was pretty formulaic, so it kind of removed the little suspense that the movie kind of conjured. I feel like I had like a fear or suspense itch that needed to be scratched, and this movie just kind of gently blew on it and was not satisfying in that way.

SPEAKER_03 16:08

That's dirty. No, that's what he said.

SPEAKER_04 16:10

Damn it.

SPEAKER_03 16:11

I I definitely don't think any of this was particularly successful in terms of being able to be scary, but there were some original elements that I appreciated. Um, first, let me say this if you really don't want to know who the killer is, guys, don't watch this on a decent TV or laptop screen. Uh, because you can see the presence or lack of arm hair, and that's a pretty big tip. And then there's a point where the killer's wearing a certain kind of mask and you can see straight through that shit. So if you want to be surprised, watch it on a low quality screen. I'll say that.

SPEAKER_04 16:44

I don't know, Chris. There were a few characters where I saw them in one scene and then again in a different scene and thought they were completely different people. So it's still possible to be surprised.

SPEAKER_06 16:53

So I had the opposite experience for like a significant portion of time. I thought the dad was the coach. And I was like, wow, they're really he's a really mean guy. Because his because the dad storyline didn't make any anyway, there's things.

SPEAKER_04 17:08

It's just a lot of people look the same.

SPEAKER_06 17:10

A lot of people look the same, okay? And they're both, they're all buttheads.

SPEAKER_03 17:14

We'll go over that though. But one thing that I absolutely love is we have Patch McKenzie who ends up playing Anne Ramson, and a few things I love here. I love that we have a female naval officer in this movie. That is so rare for me. Like, I I can't think of the last horror movie I saw that had that. Um, as you guys know, and that is now my type, apparently. She was really good looking, real good looking. This is true. But I also loved there's a part in the in the beginning where you know she's in a car with a guy who's giving her a ride. And we see a similar scene in a lot of horror movies where some gross old man is driving some woman and they're making some moves. And Patch McKenzie as Anne is like, no, no, no, no, no, no. Like, don't think just because I'm wearing a skirt, I'm gonna tolerate your manhandling. Uh so for me, you know, the that kind of element to her character while also looking at the the reality of of female service members was a really big win for me. But what about you guys? Was there anything different about this JD Slasher to others that stood out to you?

SPEAKER_06 18:22

Can I just add something to that? Um obviously I'm one of the younger one of us, uh, so like I've never hitchhiked, hitchhiked. I hope that none of you have hitchhiked. And as we were watching this movie, that scene specifically, Chris, I was like, was hitchhiking only a thing because men that drive trucks are creeps and they just want to pick up chicks, and like if it's not a chick, they'll still stop. But like they're mostly looking for chicks to bang. Yeah, probably. Like, is that how it worked? Is that what hitchhiking was? Somebody let me know. Was a means of conveyance though.

SPEAKER_04 18:54

Um, I thought it was funny that you mentioned that, Chris, because that scene reminded me a lot of the movie Showgirls, because that's how that movie starts as well. Um, but interestingly enough, that's where the film peaked for me.

SPEAKER_03 19:04

Ah, plot twist. I also think I really appreciate it because you know, we have all these slurs being thrown at her, like she's like, what are you, some kind of lesbo? And I'm just remembering, like looking back, like Don't Ask Don't Tell wasn't put in place until 1993. So while that was still a really hard line of like, yeah, you better not be gay, you're losing your shit. Before that, it wasn't even like if we have a feeling you're gay, you're you're out, you're done. So it was an interesting historical look back at like early 80s and what the the understanding of women were. And just because there's a woman who's in the service and also doesn't want your fucking hand on her, she must be a lesbian.

SPEAKER_04 19:45

I mean, to be honest, there's no confirmation that she's not a lesbian, and watching this movie in my head canon, I want her to be one.

SPEAKER_03 19:52

Yep, that's true, and I'm here for it. Same.

SPEAKER_02 19:56

Okay, Alexis. I said that was a really weird, like you've been thinking about it for a long time. Like I was thinking about it. I don't know. Do I have a type of girl I'd go for? Probably. Probably doorcare, I would imagine. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 20:11

This movie is so unoriginal that we started talking about lesbian fantasies. Can I can we just can we just share that for a second?

SPEAKER_01 20:20

Speaking of whether or not this movie was original. Yeah, I don't know about that. But what it what it lacks in originality, it makes up for in how nonsensical and ridiculous it is.

SPEAKER_04 20:31

I feel like we can say that it was original in its use of like sporting equipment. Like that was a pretty strong theme throughout, and that was something I haven't seen before.

SPEAKER_03 20:41

They got creative, and there are 100% some kills in here that I'd love to see in a remake.

SPEAKER_01 20:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:46

There were two that I really enjoyed.

SPEAKER_01 20:48

Speaking of sporting events, there's one thing I found original in this movie, and that was there's a scene in which a uh a young athletic woman is um getting dressed to change into a different athletic uniform, and she takes her skirt off before her shoes.

SPEAKER_06 21:06

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 21:06

Yes, she did. Those athletics.

SPEAKER_06 21:08

So that was original. I lost it. There's I I cannot wait to get to the spoilers.

SPEAKER_03 21:14

Why would she take her shoes off? The floor's nasty. Yeah, maybe she doesn't want her tosies to hit the dirties.

SPEAKER_06 21:19

She took them off next. She took them off eventually. Okay. Oh my god. I can't wait to get to spoilers because I have a list of things that drove me crazy in this movie. That was at the top.

SPEAKER_03 21:31

Awesome. I can see the rest of that list already.

SPEAKER_02 21:34

On that topic, I literally was surprised that this really didn't have I mean, besides everyone graduating it being their senior year, I nothing none of this really had to do with graduation, in my opinion. So true. Which I didn't really like. I'm like, if you're gonna do something where it the title is Graduation Day, like make it about it. April Fool's make it about around it.

SPEAKER_03 21:56

What are they gonna do? Call it track and field day? I mean they could have.

SPEAKER_04 22:00

Would have made sense.

SPEAKER_06 22:00

They could have called it pre-Olympics.

SPEAKER_03 22:02

Ooh, field day. Field day. There you go.

SPEAKER_06 22:04

It's so much better. It wouldn't perfectly describe how bad this movie is. It's also in such a short setting. Like the whole movie basically takes it place in just this like very small time period, which is kind of weird. I mean, outside of outside of the first scene, it's like a couple days.

SPEAKER_03 22:22

But we got we gotta really talk about where we're really going here with this movie. And uh I think I mentioned earlier that for me it fell apart in the third act, like it just seemed to go on and on and on. The thing had better mileage than my civic. Uh it just kept going. How do you guys feel about the ending?

SPEAKER_01 22:38

Um, I think the thought or the feeling or the thing that I literally said at you know at the end of the movie was okay, okay. Alright then, that's over. So yeah, you could say that I was not super satisfied. Uh the taste that it left in my mouth um was uh was a bit lacking. It was like that toothpaste that has like no flavoring in it, you know, it's just like straight up bacon soda.

SPEAKER_03 23:02

To be clear, it didn't do it for you. Less a bad taste in your mouth.

SPEAKER_01 23:05

That I want that minty freshness, you know.

SPEAKER_03 23:07

His mouth was not pleased.

SPEAKER_01 23:09

My mouth was was not pleased.

SPEAKER_04 23:11

The ending for me, obviously I'm gonna break this down. There was the pre-ending. I was like, whatever, underwhelming. And then there was the ending ending, and I was like, okay, I like the idea here. Um the execution wasn't great. Uh the the ending ending character reminded me a lot of some people in my family. Um, and we can talk more about that after. But concerned.

SPEAKER_01 23:33

I liked what it wanted to do.

SPEAKER_03 23:35

Should we should we call somebody?

SPEAKER_01 23:36

So since you're breaking down the ending, can we mention the fact that there's a post-credit scene? Oh, is there? How could anyone endure that?

SPEAKER_03 23:43

I did not watch that. I don't think I watched it either.

SPEAKER_01 23:46

Yeah, I didn't either, but I I was looking it up and apparently there was a post-credit scene. So none of us watched this movie.

SPEAKER_06 23:51

It wasn't on uh that wasn't on Amazon Prime.

SPEAKER_01 23:54

Yeah, it was on Amazon Prime. I don't even know if they had it on there, uh, but originally apparently there was. So I I hope they cut it out and we didn't just miss it.

SPEAKER_06 24:00

Or maybe they just slapped it on the end, who knows? When a movie is so bad that there's a post-credit scene and Amazon is like, no, thank you.

SPEAKER_04 24:07

It's fine.

SPEAKER_06 24:09

For me, I feel the same way about the ending of this movie that I feel about the rest of it. Um I did like the end end. I didn't, again, like same with Paris, the the execution. There was like a slow motion fight that happened, another thing that's on my list, and I was just like, am I expected to believe that this is real? Am I? Is someone wanting me to think that these people are fighting anyway? I didn't like all of it, but the end end I do think gave an interesting element to the story. But overall, I feel the same as the rest of the movie.

SPEAKER_02 24:44

Excited to see what this pre-end end and end end are. Um, because it was just an end for me. Um gotta break it down, girl. Maybe because I was just, you know, somewhere else ready to go. Like, oh, it's almost over. Okay, good.

SPEAKER_03 25:00

Um Yeah, it's based on the checkpoints, Alexis, of when you say when is this going to end? So it's like, oh, it's over. Oh my god, it's not over. Is this over yet? So that's pre-end, end, and end, end. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 25:14

Okay, cool. Like, I still just probably have two ending parts, but it's whatever. Maybe I enjoyed it a little bit more than you guys. Um, I liked how I wasn't expecting um the killer to be who it was. Um, I don't think necessarily the um reasoning was convincing for me enough. And just some of the like Ryan was saying, like the fight scene and some other like a little like too dramatic for me. Um it could have been just been like, hey, you know, this is my reason, and then just go about and I don't know, but it it was it was underwhelming, but it was still surprising for who for for me to for me to find out who the person actually was.

SPEAKER_03 25:57

I was not a fan of the uh and then I was a fan of the prologue to the pre-ending, but let me tell you this, guys. I had five pages of notes as I watched this movie. The killer is on page one. Because when they when they try too hard to look at everybody else, you gotta be like, okay, who are they not looking at? So I mean, like I I didn't get that surprise, it was more just like a oh okay, there's that face mask. See right through that confirmed.

SPEAKER_06 26:23

Um I didn't even see through it, but she already had somebody in her mind.

SPEAKER_03 26:28

Yeah, okay. But you watch an 80 slasher and it's gonna be a ride for sure, and there's like a level of salt to take with all of this, but when this doesn't even have that mystery, it's like, okay, so what is there? Fortunately, it fell on really great intentions, and there's some good things that we'll talk about in the spoiler half. But uh is this something that you think you'll ever allow to be on again in your presence? No. No, no.

SPEAKER_01 26:58

You know, I didn't graduate from college. I was uh too lazy to make it all the way through, just wasting time socializing. But I did graduate from high school, and I gotta say, one graduation day is enough. You don't need more than one. Just like this movie. One and done. Who wants to watch it again? Not this guy.

SPEAKER_03 27:15

I would I would for sure watch this again. I wouldn't actively watch it, like I wouldn't like sit here looking at the TV just like my arm's cross, like, all right, yeah, I'm here for it. I'm in I'm in for it. But on a day when I want to watch an 80 slasher, and this actually falls into an interesting category for me because there are some that I'll put on because I love. There are some that I'll put on that I like and I'm okay with missing it. This falls into a really interesting category where I just want to have one on, but I don't have to pay attention to it, and that's a sweet spot for me. 80 slashers to laugh at? Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 27:48

But not not not because they're funny.

SPEAKER_03 27:50

Yeah, like this is one that I would watch with someone who wants to watch an 80 slasher, but also doesn't want to be terrified of horror movies, but also wants to laugh at it. There's a purpose for every movie that is just this movie's purpose for me.

SPEAKER_02 28:06

Would you really give that this movie to someone and then be like, this is a an 80s slasher?

SPEAKER_03 28:12

Look, here's the thing: this may not be the best movie we've ever seen. Is it Hell Knight? Hell no. But really, what it comes down to is it checks the box of every 80 slasher and it's just ridiculous enough that someone who doesn't actually watch horror movies often can stomach.

SPEAKER_06 28:28

Yeah, to be fair, I do think it has a lot of the like 80s troops where if you were like, hey, this is what they did in these movies back then, you could show them this.

SPEAKER_03 28:36

Yeah. And it's like, I'm not saying I'm gonna make you watch this to be like, okay, please like 80 slashers with me. Please. This is me. This is your gateway drug to 80 slashers. This isn't that. But it would be the one of like, like, if I can negotiate with someone who doesn't like horror, this this would be it. This would be a nice entertaining watch while we're both scrolling through Instagram on the couch, maybe talking shit back and forth, etc. It's a good time.

SPEAKER_04 29:02

Yeah, my boyfriend and I, when we watch movies and we watch this one together, we categorize them as either talking movies or not talking movies, and this is definitely a talking movie, something you can put on, talk through, make fun of, and not pay a lot of attention to.

SPEAKER_02 29:14

All movies are talking movies. For Ryan. I was gonna say I'm not allowed to talk during movies, so this is interesting. Like at all.

SPEAKER_04 29:22

We like set the ground rule when we start it. He's like, Can I talk during this? And I'm like, yes or no, depending on what it is.

SPEAKER_06 29:28

This is the type of movie that I we've mentioned it before. I love to talk through movies, and this is the type of movie where I wish that I could live podcast and have listeners listen in while I talk trash about the movie all the way through, and it would be so fun. I maybe you guys wouldn't enjoy it. I would enjoy it. It this is a great movie to make fun of.

SPEAKER_03 29:48

I would love that, and you should get in on the live stream that uh the live watch that Alexis and I want to do at some point here in the near future. Yes.

SPEAKER_06 29:55

I'd love to be a part of it.

SPEAKER_03 29:57

Awesome. Well, we have plenty of things to nitpick. Uh we have plenty of things to discover, but let's go ahead and get into the ratings. I have a feeling I know how this one's gonna go. Before we start scoring everything, Alexis, how many people died in this movie?

SPEAKER_02 30:10

Well, you were totally correct in your prediction in the beginning. We are in the single digit just by one death that we had in a total of nine.

SPEAKER_03 30:17

Nice.

SPEAKER_06 30:18

Which is actually still, I mean, it's pretty high. I know it's an 80 slasher. It's still pretty high though, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 30:23

I agree. Yeah. And Ryan, how many of those were animals?

SPEAKER_06 30:26

We're good on the animal report this week. In the 80s, they, you know, just left animals out of the movie completely. So we're we're grievy.

SPEAKER_03 30:34

Excellent. Well, let's go ahead and get into business then. Graduation day. Was it a hack or a slash?

SPEAKER_04 30:40

This movie was a hot trash fire, and for that it gets a hack. Um, there were actually a few quotes from characters that I wrote down. At one point, somebody asks, What's your stake in all this? And that's something I had been wondering the whole time. And then later someone says, Did you ever see anything so awful in your life? And I said, No, I hadn't. And then finally, really towards the end of the movie, after a big climactic scene, a character says, Terrible, just terrible. What more can you say? And I feel like that really sums up this film.

SPEAKER_03 31:09

The movie speaks to Paris and Paris talks back.

SPEAKER_02 31:14

I'm gonna have to piggyback on that one. Um, I'm becoming uh, you know, not I don't have such great taste in um 80 slashers as Chris does, but I I do have to admit, like, I enjoy watching some of them in this one. I did not. It was definitely a hack in my book. I really couldn't think of much other than the suspense um that it built that I enjoyed. Um kind of played like a whodunit, maybe in some certain circumstances, a little too much. But um, yeah, other than that, that's the only thing I like. So this is definitely a total hack for me.

SPEAKER_01 31:50

This is tough because I was going to give it a slash, but then I watched it. Jesus. So it's a hack. My girlfriend has been watching most of our movies that we watch with me. And this one, I think, I don't know, two-thirds of the way through, she got up and she was like, Well, I'm just gonna go take a shower. Yeah, you have to let your actions speak louder than your words, and hers did. This movie is a bit of a joke, it's a bit of a waste of time, but it's a complete hack.

SPEAKER_06 32:23

Yep, and I think it's I think it's pretty obvious with what I've said so far. Um, this is a hack. It's insufferable. Like, there are movies that we watch, sometimes I have heard of them, sometimes I haven't heard of them, and sometimes I have these expectations and I go in and I'm like, this is gonna be tough. And I knew that this was gonna be tough. And I I I wanted to have an emergency that made me not be able to finish watching this movie. That's what I felt in my heart. I had to stop myself from doing something like going to get in the shower and turn this movie off. It was really hard. I really didn't like it. I I can't wait to list all the things that were ridiculous in this movie. There are only two things that I enjoyed in this movie, and it's only because I was like, it would be really rude for me to review a movie and have nothing positive to say. So I have two positive things to say. Other than that, total hack.

SPEAKER_03 33:16

So this movie definitely has its flaws, right? I'm not I'm not disagreeing with that. I think when when you look at a movie, and in particular for me, an 80s movie is either one of two categories. It's either a really good movie for me that I'm like, yeah, this is one of the cornerstones of the horror genre, and a really good example of what it was like going to the movie theater at that time and kind of experiencing it, or it's kind of like a laughable time, right? But it's something that you still have a good time with. If you guys remember, I hacked the original Friday the 13th, and that's because it was a clear ripoff and some things that were done so badly that I just couldn't overlook it, especially because it was trying to rip off my favorite slasher of all time. This movie, about halfway through, I pulled out an old box we have here at Hackerslash, and I reached in and I pulled out a mid-score called The Shank. And the Shank is like, it's not good enough to be a slash, but also not terrible enough. Terrible enough to be a hack. So that's where I was sitting most of the time.

SPEAKER_04 34:22

A shank.

SPEAKER_03 34:23

And then the end happened. And I was like, nope, fuck it, it can't do it. It's a hack. Thank you.

SPEAKER_04 34:28

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_03 34:30

I can't even put this in the shank category. There were things I liked in Friday the 13th that were better than things in this movie. Now, that being said, folks, this is probably a soft hack. Uh, this is this is something that I, if you like 80 slashers, I still think you should give it a shot. I still think you should have fun enjoying it with people. Drink a beer, give it a watch, give it a go. Your answer was more suspenseful than the movie. Now, you can find this movie on Amazon Prime, so you have some options there if you already are an Amazon Prime subscriber. But check it out or don't based on these glowing recommendations. If you want to just have a laugh, join us in the second half while we talk shit. We'll see you in a bit.

SPEAKER_00 35:18

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SPEAKER_03 35:49

Alright, welcome back. Graduation day. Yes, you heard it, earned a universal hack. Now, before we get into why we rated this movie the way we did, uh Alexis, there's something to be discussed about the gore score.

SPEAKER_02 36:01

Yes. Um, I would consider this low, and I think everyone would. Um, Ryan made a good point before the spoiler break um that there is a gradual change in the gore. So you have like something simple as a head just flying in midair. You don't see anything that happened before it. Or after you just see the head flying. To go to like something that's like, you know, people stakes in people's bodies. And yeah, it gets pretty intense towards the end. Still, I don't think enough to like say the gore was high. Um, unless you guys have a different opinion. But no, I agree. I tend to late rate things on a lower scale.

SPEAKER_04 36:39

I mean, like the gore was underwhelming for sure.

SPEAKER_02 36:42

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 36:43

But to be like to my point earlier, like the first death, aside from like obviously the track runner's death, the first kill is literally like a smear of ketchup on a throat.

SPEAKER_04 36:54

That's the whole kill. No wound at all.

SPEAKER_03 36:57

I will say one of my favorite shots came in that moment. Uh it this started out as a green highlight because I was like, man, the blood on the camera, fantastic. But then immediately followed by the ketchup smear, I was like, this is underwhelming. Do you mean slinging the ketchup onto the camera? No, the ketchup would have been a little bit too thick. This was at least red corn syrup. Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_01 37:18

Can I ask what the weapon was with that kill? Because I didn't even see one.

SPEAKER_06 37:21

Very small knife. Hey, guess what? She didn't die, she didn't get cut, she's still alive. Plot twist, she is the killer.

SPEAKER_01 37:28

She has a tomato allergy in the uh, you know, in the ketchup, just finished her off.

SPEAKER_06 37:32

Yeah, he just missed ketchup in his hot dog and it landed on her neck.

SPEAKER_02 37:36

Yeah. Yeah. To me, it was just it just seemed really random. I mean, you don't get any like contact or you don't see any of the contact um until later on. And it's just like Paraset underwhelming. The part that we talked about before where that you have this flashing, and not that I'm trying to cut into like visual scenes or anything like that, but you have that like psychedelic, like cutting in and out. I really liked it. The only time I ever liked it was when you have the pole vaulting guy where that happened. Um, and I really liked that. I love that whole scene. I it's pretty cool. It's like my favorite death out of all of them, because I feel like it gave a lot of emotion, and that's when the trying the turning point came for the movie.

SPEAKER_03 38:18

What about you guys? I just liked his death because it reminded me of Mortal Kombat, specifically Mortal Kombat 3.

SPEAKER_06 38:24

I enjoyed that death because mid-jump is when I realized it was gonna happen, and I was like, Oh, I he better hit something. He just just the way the deaths are done in this movie. I was like, he better just hit like a giant sword when he lands.

SPEAKER_03 38:39

What's even better than that is that halfway through he also realized it was happening.

SPEAKER_06 38:46

See, I didn't even pick up on that. That's funny.

SPEAKER_03 38:48

It's so scary. It's like you're on this pole, you're jumping over, and then you see it and you can't stop yourself from falling. How terrifying is that?

SPEAKER_02 38:56

Yeah, I would fall from the top straight down because it was a little out, right? Yeah, but you're flying, you can't you just gotta go. He's a training, he's no rookie, he knows how to propel himself. Yeah, can't he go like yards out?

SPEAKER_06 39:10

Um, I'm not good at geometry.

SPEAKER_02 39:13

So I'm not really sure. Or pole vaulting. Yeah, neither. This is Hackerslaw's geometry. Don't worry, he can go over it.

SPEAKER_04 39:21

I was actually in trek and field in high school, and my coach really wanted me to do pole vaulting, but I have a fear of height, so I did not get very far with it. But in this guy's defense, the the like the thing that you land on is like this giant inflatable like pillow thing, and I imagine that the spikes were obscured somehow, like he had to put them underneath it or something, so you probably didn't see it running up to it. And that was his downfall.

SPEAKER_03 39:42

I mean, exactly though. That's why I found like I think that's always my favorite because it seemed like the most plausible.

SPEAKER_04 39:47

Yeah, much better than the football.

SPEAKER_02 39:49

Oh, don't even get me started on that. I was like, what did the whole sword go through the entire like oh god, you never saw the other end of the sword. But he's a good football boy, he just can't help but catch it.

SPEAKER_06 40:02

Okay, let me talk about the football scene for a second, okay? Because I knew it was coming. It was ridiculous. But the scene before he actually gets stabbed, where he throws the knife, spear object, whatever it is, with the football in the end was really nice. It was like it was it was pretty cool. It was like, yeah, you know, you're playing with the football, I'll just like stick a knife through it. Very weird, very weird scene. But it was nice. And then he threw it and it was a nice like spiral, and I'm like, man, I could like see that happening. But then it gets to him and it it's just a football on his stomach.

SPEAKER_02 40:35

Yeah, that's what I didn't understand.

SPEAKER_01 40:36

And like that's where it died. But it went through him.

SPEAKER_06 40:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:39

That was my favorite kill.

SPEAKER_06 40:40

That is one of the only positive things that I had to write was that death. But only because I was just at that point, I was like, I'm not gonna worry about how it would actually work. We'll just pretend because that's clearly what we're doing here.

SPEAKER_01 40:51

Now we're into hackerslash physics. That was my favorite kill, was the football kill. I don't know why it was so so satisfying. He just like didn't know what to expect. He was just, you know, like you said, must catch football. Football has been thrown. I would catch. And there's just like long skewers sticking through. I was just really curious, like, was that a sword? Well, there was no hilt. So and also when he had it on there, it didn't pop the football.

SPEAKER_05 41:16

Of course not.

SPEAKER_01 41:19

But it was like a really it was a really intriguing kill. And I also just liked it because I kind of hate the two girls that the uh that were messing with the football player. Hey, like right before he had to like go into the bushes to get us his football.

SPEAKER_06 41:32

That was flirting.

SPEAKER_01 41:33

And I was glad to see them on screen again being the douches that they were.

SPEAKER_04 41:38

Alright, Mac, those two were my actual favorite part of this movie.

unknown 41:41

Oh god.

SPEAKER_04 41:43

They were like the one saving grace because they were dumb, they were relatable, and they were just having fun.

SPEAKER_06 41:48

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_04 41:49

Leading people to their deaths.

SPEAKER_06 41:51

In this movie, you gotta just go there. You just gotta be dumb and have fun.

SPEAKER_03 41:54

They're like the 80s teenage girl version of Tucker and Dale. I love it.

SPEAKER_04 42:01

Just like two good gal pals talking some shit. Like when they walked into that locker room later and they were like, oh, she's such a stupid bitch. I hope we don't have to see her next year. I was like, this is the movie I want to watch. What are these girls doing? It's called Mean Girls. Have you seen it? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 42:14

So look, I I get that the deaths in here were pretty outrageous, but I do think there's a lot more outrageous to be found. Was anything in here a standout moment for you? Either be it the best part or the worst part of this movie.

SPEAKER_01 42:29

Yes, the beginning. No, there was seriously though, like the funkiest like introduction to a movie I've ever watched. It was just absolutely wild. Like the music was bangin'. That it was just really solid choice for the beginning of the movie. I don't know, like the camera work, the editing, something altogether. It was like a psychedelic experience, and I loved it.

SPEAKER_06 42:49

See, that felt really fake to me. Oh, I text Chris three seconds into this movie and said, Why are ED slashers? That's what I said. Because it literally the before the actual beginning scenes, there was like a title sequence situation that happened. It wasn't actually the title, but there was some stuff. And I was like, No, no, I'm not ready for this. And then that scene came and I was like, why?

SPEAKER_01 43:14

But wait, did that upset you more or did the roller skating scene upset you more?

SPEAKER_06 43:17

Would you like me to talk about the roller skating scene? Because listen, okay. So, first off, I'm gonna address what everyone is gonna hate. The concert of the roller skating scene was so unbearable.

SPEAKER_03 43:31

The guy liner? Disgust.

SPEAKER_06 43:32

Oh my god. The guy liner, the black lipstick, the horrible song that they continuously sang.

SPEAKER_04 43:39

For eight minutes. Yeah, eight minutes.

SPEAKER_06 43:41

Really long. It was so long. It was so I think the modern version of this is like having like I can't think of a specific movie to reference right now, but certainly we've all seen a scene where it's like a band playing, music starts to escalate while something is happening in the background, and it's like someone's being killed, and it goes back. And forth. I think that's what they meant to do, but what we really just ended up with is this horrible scene of this horrible song, this horrible band, and this couple in the woods, and it's just it was a mess, and like running around, it was all a mess.

SPEAKER_04 44:14

But more importantly, break from the movie for a music video.

SPEAKER_03 44:17

Yeah, it it was a music video. You guys remember when MTV used to actually play the music videos all day? That's what this movie was. That is what this was.

SPEAKER_06 44:27

But more importantly, the fact that they're having this concert in the middle of a skating rink and there are people running with the skaters on the skating rink. Nothing has ever made me so unhappy in my life. First off, if you've ever skated, you would kill all these people. They should all die. If we're gonna kill people, we should kill those people. Wow. They're running perpendicular to the to the to the skaters. They're just running across skaters, and then they're also just like skipping along with skaters. Like it's a dance floor, but it's also a skating rink. It was the worst experience. I was like, wait a minute, are they just like sliding around? And then I realized some are wearing skates and some are wearing shoes. And it was horrible. It was one of those things where I was just like, am I really supposed to be here watching this? Is this supposed to happen?

SPEAKER_01 45:11

Thank you for sharing the exact same reaction that I had.

SPEAKER_04 45:15

I had a really hard time trying to pick like a best part of this movie. I have like a few things that I came up with, but they're all very trivial. At one point, our main girl Anne is shown to be wearing an anklet underneath pantyhose, which I thought was a bold move and pretty iconic.

SPEAKER_06 45:30

Wow, I missed that.

SPEAKER_04 45:32

It was like a close-up of it too. I was like, is that under the pantyhose? And it definitely was. But also with that character, she was in her navy uniform the whole beginning, right? And then they show this woman just walking up to a girl in the woods in this like brown dress. And I was like, oh, who's this like ghost lady? Because she's kind of serving a look. And then it wasn't until like 20 minutes later that my boyfriend and I were like, Oh, that's the same person, just aged 20 years by an updo.

SPEAKER_06 45:55

Dude same. Also, she was like uncomfortably just touching this girl that didn't know her. She was like, Oh, nice necklace. And I was like, Why is this so creepy? Yeah, it was.

SPEAKER_04 46:06

Yeah, she was like, My sister had something like this, and I was like, Oh, she has a dead sister too? That's odd. Didn't even occur to me that it was the same person.

SPEAKER_01 46:14

But it was obvious they were trying to frame her as a possible, you know, yeah, antagonist. They were like, Look, she's creepy, she could be the killer guys, might be her.

SPEAKER_03 46:22

Yeah, that was ridiculous. It was actually that moment where I wrote down her boyfriend's a killer. Like that, that was it. I'm like, look at how hard they're going here. We haven't heard shit about him yet. Oh wow, interesting.

SPEAKER_04 46:33

That man was 45 years old. That high school boyfriend.

SPEAKER_01 46:37

Look, this movie was chalk full of of just like rampant statutory rape. It was so bad. Yup.

SPEAKER_03 46:45

Also, speaking of statutory rape, what the fuck was up with Mr. Robert's toupee? Dude, that was so uncomfortable.

SPEAKER_06 46:51

That's the that's what I'm saying. That whole character was a joke. But also, like, what was the point?

SPEAKER_02 46:57

Yeah, he didn't serve a purpose.

SPEAKER_06 46:59

What was the point of that? What was the point of the angry alcoholic father? And then he was like, I raise her like she was my own, but then that's all they ever said about it.

SPEAKER_02 47:07

Like what I think that was them trying too hard to make it seem like it was Anne. Like it was her.

SPEAKER_06 47:14

Yeah. Yeah. It was just like there were so many characters in here that didn't develop enough and then had no purpose. So that you got like these weird details, like he's a creepy music teacher, and this girl's gonna seduce him to get a better grade, and he has a toupee. And then that's it. He doesn't mean anything to anybody.

SPEAKER_04 47:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 47:32

Yeah, he didn't even die in the boiler room.

SPEAKER_06 47:34

Yeah, why didn't he die?

SPEAKER_04 47:35

Missed opportunity.

SPEAKER_06 47:36

Also, why is there always a boiler room?

SPEAKER_04 47:38

Boiler rooms were big in the 80s.

SPEAKER_06 47:39

Were they?

SPEAKER_04 47:40

I just rewatched Heather's, yeah, and boiler rooms were a place.

SPEAKER_06 47:44

Yeah, in 80s movies. And that's like the birthplace of Freddie Kruger, Ryan. No, no, no, I understand. They are a part of 80s movies, but why? What are boiler rooms? When did they exist? Why did they exist?

SPEAKER_04 47:56

It's where they boil people alive. I actually don't know. Hot water?

SPEAKER_06 48:00

It seems like they would have a locked door also, and they don't ever. And there's just a lot of things about 80 slashers that I don't get.

SPEAKER_03 48:07

We're gonna need all our friends who lived very maturely in the 80s, like you were definitely of age and conscious and understanding things to explain all these things to us, please.

SPEAKER_06 48:16

I need to know, like, I need to talk to like a high school janitor in like 1981.

SPEAKER_03 48:22

What kind of crazy shit have you seen?

SPEAKER_06 48:25

Have you did you have access to the boiler room? Did weird things happen there? Did anyone even did it even exist?

SPEAKER_01 48:32

Did you ever see someone licking their lips at a gymnast performing their set?

SPEAKER_06 48:36

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 48:37

Oh god.

SPEAKER_06 48:38

And that scene was more cut scenes back and forth, and it was so long. It was like, uh didn't need to see your entire this is I'm watching the Summer Olympics now. I didn't need to see the entire gymnast routine.

SPEAKER_03 48:50

I will say, gymnasts are so graceful, and I'm not mad at seeing their routines. One of the final destination movies had a gymnast in it, and uh, it's actually usually the high point of any movie I watch.

SPEAKER_04 49:00

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 49:01

I'm not mad at it, but I didn't need like coach licking his lips, coach gets all pissed, random guy with what is it, super eat film camera or something like that.

SPEAKER_04 49:13

That scene was actually one of my favorite visually at first because it was filmed like really well. I thought maybe the director of photography had a background in like shooting athletes or something like that, and that's why they focused so heavily on it. But the scene went for way too long, like you said, Ryan, and they literally cut to a different angle every time she made a single movement. So, like three minutes into that segment, my boyfriend and I were just dying laughing at it.

SPEAKER_06 49:34

It stressed out my eyeballs so much.

SPEAKER_01 49:37

It's like when a junior YouTuber learns how to do jump cuts, and like every three seconds there's a jump cut.

SPEAKER_03 49:42

Yeah, not wrong. I actually enjoyed that scene because immediately I thought the coach was pervy, and that's not why I liked it, but then I thought like just listening to him talk to her and then like seeing how he was with all of the athletes. I almost like was wondering was this actor's motivation, like what was his intent here? And was that not a look of you know, sexual attraction to her? And was it a oh my god, yes, she's doing it. This is amazing. I'm so proud, she's gonna make me look so great. It was almost like this way overbearing obsession. So that's how I kind of started to look at that scene. He definitely looked pervy, don't get me wrong. I think that and that moment that I questioned that made me think like this is a really interesting angle to see the resentment building from those kids and how much they fucking hate him, especially after the death we see in the beginning of the movie.

SPEAKER_04 50:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 50:41

Yeah, and you have a point, like coaches do get really invested in what they build with their athletes. Like the, you know, the success of their athletes does reflect on them. And that's something about this is like it was unclear in this scene if if it was supposed to be passion or creep. And I didn't like that. I was like, uh, just give me one or the other. I don't want to be unsure.

SPEAKER_04 51:05

I feel like it was like a nuanced blend of both where he was like sexually attracted to their performance. That's the vibe I got.

SPEAKER_06 51:12

I can see that.

SPEAKER_04 51:13

He also had like serious Ray Leota energy. Did anybody pick up on that? I had to Google it to see if he was like his dad or something. Wow.

SPEAKER_03 51:20

Uh no, I I definitely did not pick up on that. But you know what I did pick up on was actually, and this is the moment that I decided this movie was a freaking hack. It was the horrid faces that people make as they're running in this movie. Like you have the opening girl, very beautiful woman.

SPEAKER_04 51:36

Was she?

SPEAKER_03 51:37

What was the flailing that she did? And then what was the like almost like the like most horrific sadness in her eyes? And I thought, well, this girl's dying. To be clear, she died instantly. There was no in-between. But where I do reserve judgment was Anne's running. I was feeling Anne that whole damn time. And so I saw that face when she was running. And I'm like, girl, you're a naval officer? You don't run like that. All right? Even the most out-of-shape person in the Navy doesn't run like that.

SPEAKER_01 52:06

Take your shoes off.

SPEAKER_03 52:07

That is not like I'm not here for that shit.

SPEAKER_01 52:09

Why was she running with those shoes on?

SPEAKER_04 52:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 52:11

Shoes like like raptor arms.

SPEAKER_04 52:13

I wrote it in my notes as limp wrist running like a ragdoll idiot.

SPEAKER_02 52:17

Damn, you don't hold any punches, Paris.

SPEAKER_04 52:19

So that's the best way to describe it.

SPEAKER_02 52:21

That's a really descriptive.

SPEAKER_04 52:23

Also, she found like when she got to the the school, like the track and field area, she found like the one object in a wide plane to run into when she like hit that hurdle. Yeah, you have a point. She like beelined for that object to like collide with it.

SPEAKER_06 52:36

They also like back to the quality of this movie. They had this fight scene where she's supposed to fight him and like be successful and like knock him down, which was great. Except it was so it was um a full speed shot, but the acting was in slow motion and it was so obvious on camera. Like when she's standing in front of the bleacher, she's like, wow, and like, okay, I'm supposed to believe you hit him and he fell because you moved your arm that slowly. Like it was miserable to watch that part.

SPEAKER_04 53:06

Ryan, those were her navy moves that she referenced in the beginning.

SPEAKER_06 53:09

That's what I wanted, but then we got um really poor acting or a poor coach or something that made them go that way.

SPEAKER_01 53:17

She learned the she learned the one move really well, which to you know how to grab somebody by the junk with a lot of force, but she never really progressed to the uh martial arts.

SPEAKER_03 53:27

In addition to this, to top the list of worst things about this movie, the boyfriend was the most unattractive human being I've seen in an 80s movie.

SPEAKER_02 53:35

Yet. Yeah, he was totally. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 53:38

I wrote that he looked like a goblin in my notes.

SPEAKER_02 53:41

Oh my god. A goblin?

SPEAKER_04 53:44

But almost everyone in this movie, besides the main girl, was physically deformed in some way.

SPEAKER_03 53:48

Including Vanna White. Vanna White was gorgeous.

SPEAKER_04 53:50

Except the two girls. My two girls were beautiful. Of the whole cast, I felt like those two gave the most authentic and lived-in performances. Like I was like, oh, I believe these two kids like hanging out. And so I'm surprised that was Vanna White like giving me that that fantasy.

SPEAKER_03 54:03

And I loved uh Tony because he was also the one who said, who made the reference of like, hey, what was the calculated risk? How many of us weren't gonna make it to graduation coach? So he was like throwing zingers left and right. I really loved that guy. I'm bummed he got as bad of a prosthetic head as he got.

SPEAKER_06 54:21

Okay, on that note, can we talk about how ridiculous these bodies look once you see them post-mortem? Oh, yeah, they're horrible. Like the makeup.

SPEAKER_04 54:29

If you paint them gray, you'll know they're dead. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 54:31

Tom Savini, this was not. One of them was instantly gray? I can't exactly remember which death. Him.

SPEAKER_03 54:38

It was him.

SPEAKER_06 54:39

Okay, it was him. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 54:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 54:41

And and then the sister had just black eyes. Yes. So here's here's the thing about that. Am I supposed and I literally said this out loud as I was watching this movie. Am I supposed to believe that this kid somehow has the body of his dead girlfriend from a couple of months ago in his crib? And is am I supposed to believe that this is what she looks like? None of these things are real.

SPEAKER_04 55:05

They just like put two prosthetic vaginas over her eyes and called it a day.

SPEAKER_06 55:09

Yeah, it was so weird. What is it about her eyes? I really don't understand the thought process there. I don't get it. I don't understand the thought process of the story in that. It doesn't make sense. Why is she there? Well, but also he's in that scene. Psychotic.

SPEAKER_04 55:23

Oh, yeah, totally obsessed.

SPEAKER_06 55:25

Right, but like, do cops not come get bodies, you know? I don't know. Is there a morgue involved?

SPEAKER_04 55:31

He I think he dug her up.

SPEAKER_03 55:32

Yeah, he for sure did. I guess.

SPEAKER_04 55:34

But like that raises even more questions. But this character had like many different kinds of knives on his walls, and I have a lot of cousins with that same energy.

SPEAKER_03 55:43

Yikes.

SPEAKER_04 55:44

So I get a little concerned.

SPEAKER_03 55:46

I was hoping it wouldn't be him.

SPEAKER_04 55:48

It was him, yeah. I saw that and I was like, this tracks, this tracks. This guy has like katanas on his wall. Like he's definitely the kind of guy to dig up his ex or his dead girlfriend and then like keep her for their fake wedding.

SPEAKER_06 55:58

He also may have dug her up very recently. Also, why does Anne walk into his house so much on her own? She just she walked into his house twice in this movie and then was like, Oh, I didn't know anybody was here. Like, yeah, it's because you're not, it's not your house. You shouldn't be here.

SPEAKER_01 56:13

Can we all say it together?

SPEAKER_02 56:14

It's a Midwest shit.

SPEAKER_04 56:15

Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 56:16

Yeah, definitely Midwest shit on this.

SPEAKER_04 56:18

And that old woman was just a throwaway character.

SPEAKER_02 56:21

Again.

SPEAKER_04 56:22

Yep. They threw her away as a as a person.

SPEAKER_03 56:24

So like of all the things that were unbelievable in this movie, they could not have an 18-year-old boy living in a big house alone. He had to be taking advantage of his deaf grandma. We'll give him that.

SPEAKER_01 56:35

Little uh little Greg Brady taking advantage. I am happy to see that this um entry into the Scream franchise, you know, brought back uh uh Deputy Dewey. I was pretty happy about that.

SPEAKER_03 56:46

Oh were you now?

SPEAKER_01 56:48

That cop, what was that? What was he was he like a school safety officer? Was he an actual cop that just loses his badge on the regular? What was going on with Dewey?

SPEAKER_04 56:59

He lost his hair, that's for sure. I did enjoy how often they found a way to insert Mr. Googlioni's name into a conversation.

SPEAKER_03 57:07

Yeah. Mr. Googly-eyed googlioni.

SPEAKER_04 57:10

Oh, can we talk about how there's no roads or sidewalks in this high school? It's just the woods. The only way someone can get from point A to B is by going to the woods where it's always nighttime.

SPEAKER_03 57:21

It's like going through the Feywild in DD. You just disappear for a while and come out in another year.

SPEAKER_04 57:27

Yeah. Or die.

SPEAKER_03 57:28

Also a possibility. Two things that I think Yeah, this movie, if you choose to look at it with the perspective of sobering reality, I think they actually look pretty good. Um, one is the boyfriend when he's on his fucking crazy antagonist monologue, he's like, my whole life changed in just 30 seconds. And that's that's insane and really painful to think about. But then you look at the the deaths from you know athletic events that happen every day, right? And if you even Google Woman Dies Running, you get the first three stories are about a 13-year-old girl who died in 2018 after running a 400-meter dash that track me in middle school. Then you have a 22-year-old woman who died a quarter mile from the finish line while she was running the Cleveland Marathon in 2019. And then in 2019, a 17-year-old girl died while running laps outdoors. Um, so it's heartbreaking, it's tragic. I think this movie is too goofy to give a good like a good platform for that. But I will say that some of the dialogue that was written in this movie and some of the the tragedy that you feel from Anne, that you feel from him in that brief moment in that brief little line. I think those are actually two very compelling pieces.

SPEAKER_04 58:47

I can kind of see that now that you've pointed that out, Chris. It was at the time I was like, did it happen in 30 seconds, or was it like a long, drawn-out process that took years for her to get to that point? Um because obviously the coach was pushing these kids to the point of abuse. Um but when you put it that way, I guess it is kind of crazy to think about just running to death.

SPEAKER_03 59:07

Yeah, you don't like so this girl in particular had a blood clot. All right, that you'd never predict that. You don't know that. She was in the best health of her life. Even the the woman who died during the Cleveland Marathon, she was described as someone who's very active and very healthy. Like that's that it happens every day. And I think it's a sobering reality. And I think if you take anything away from this movie, it's just to love each other a little bit more and appreciate whatever time you do have with them.

SPEAKER_04 59:32

And don't do cardio.

SPEAKER_03 59:33

Yeah, fuck it.

SPEAKER_06 59:34

I almost died the other day, but then I'm like, Yeah, she didn't say that. Chris, you do have a good point about it, but I think that the something that bothered me about this movie is that it took so long for us to figure out what she died from. They didn't mention the blood clot until like more than 30 minutes in, I think. And I spent a lot of time thinking about is anyone gonna tell me what she died from? Because it happened so abruptly. And I think it should have been part of like the beginning of this to be like, here's the trauma of like losing this person really fast unexpectedly. And then I can kind of understand the characters a little more.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:08

Yeah, yeah. I will also say I think that's why I I loved Anne so much because like to have someone so close to you pass away when you're on the other side of the world. I remember it when I was on deployment, I was terrified that something would happen to my mom and like that I wouldn't be there to like to help or to intervene or to help anybody else. So it's it's it's fucking scary. But enough with all that sober reality and seriousness. Mac, what do we have for factor fiction?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:32

Well, let me tell you, this this movie doesn't have a whole heck of a lot going on, but I've got a couple things to to ask you here, factor fiction-wise. So let's start out with number one. This movie shares an actor with Stargate SG1.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:45

Fact. I'm gonna say fact because you always want to try to find something out like that.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:51

I have no reference for that show, so fact.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:54

Uh same I'll go fiction just for fun.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:57

Wow. So you guys you guys are making it fun for sure. Uh, it is a fact. So I don't know if you remember the detective, detective Halliday. So Carmen Argenziano uh actually plays General Jacob Carter, Samantha Carter's father in Stargate SG1. Number two. Denise Cheshire, who plays Sally, you know, the one who takes off her skirt before her shoes in the locker room. Uh she was in a Men in Black movie.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:22

Fact.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:22

Why not? Fact.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:24

Fiction. I'm gonna go fiction because uh I got the last one wrong, so probability says I might get this one right.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:31

This was a fact. Uh she had a minor role in Men in Black too. So, not a starring role, but a minor role. Number three, Lanea Quickly, who plays Dolores, her boyfriend was, you know, decapitated, is a Scream Queen and has been in more than 20 horror films.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:47

Probably believe it with 80 slashers, so fact. Fiction. Unless it's one of your things where it's like, is it actually five?

SPEAKER_04 1:01:53

I'm gonna say fiction because I feel like she didn't make a great Scream Queen.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:57

I'm going fiction because I was looking to see how old these actors were when they played high school kids because I always think that's a fun game with 80 slashers. And uh 30. I didn't see 20 on her list.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:11

You didn't. That's so interesting. Yeah, Linnea Quigley was definitely a Scream Queen with an absolute ton of horror movies. So I like I'm just I'm surprised you didn't find this on IMDB, but there's like an absolute just like dozens of B-rated, you know, horror films.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:29

I maybe wasn't looking hard enough.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:32

Can I give you some titles of movies that she's been in? Yes. Please do.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:36

I think you have an interesting definition of the term scream queen. I think so too. Paris or Jamie Lee Curtis.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:43

I didn't say she was a great Scream Queen.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:44

A Scream Duchess.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:46

She's a Duchess. Okay. So 2019. Clown Ado. That's a movie that she's in. Okay. Okay. So that's Lake Fear 2, the Swamp. Personal Demons. Bone Hill Road. One of my personal favorites here, Hooker with a Hacksaw. Ooh.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:03

So what you mean is that she was hired for scary movie acting roles. That's what you mean by Scream Queen.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:09

She was hired for a lot of a lot of horror movies to Scream, and earlier, I would say maybe in the 90s, she was probably more well known. Um, but there are way higher, you know, status Scream Queens. But give her credit where credit's due. She's been in a ton.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:24

I give her all the credit. She was not anointed by Paris, so she did not get Scream Queen status.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:31

Give up your crown. It sounds like she chose the projects that were right for her skill level.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:36

Oh wow. Oh, Jesus. Let's go on to number four then. Uh, we've already mentioned this statement earlier, but Principal Guglione uh makes a comment that Detective Halliday has an Irish name but looks Italian, but Carmen Argenziano is actually of Spanish descent.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:52

Fact. Fact. Fact. I'm on a roll here, so fiction.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:57

It is fiction. His parents were of Italian descent. So the the comment in the in the film is actually kind of funny because the actor who portrays the detective is legit of Italian descent. And now you know how little information about this movie there is out there. Uh so that's it for Fact or Fiction.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:15

Thanks, Mac. Well, there you go. There we have it. Uh, an underwhelming end to an underwhelming movie. But here we are. Now, folks, again, you can definitely check this movie out on Amazon Prime. Uh, we are continuing the streak of movies you can watch on demand without having to pay more than you are already paying for your subscription services. Uh, but keep in mind we also want to know what you think, or if you have any responses to anything we've said in this episode. Um, there's a number of ways that you can reach out to us. First of all, our website www.hackerslash.com. And on our social media accounts on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:48

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