SPEAKER_09 0:04

You are a player, and we know it. Seniors that hang out with freshmen, we know what kind of people you are. They're Chovel.

SPEAKER_03 0:10

You nasty.

SPEAKER_05 0:16

Greetings and salutations, and welcome to Hacker Slash. If you're joining us again, welcome back. We are sincerely so lucky to have you. If this is your first time listening, welcome to the party. We are a horror movie review podcast dedicated to telling you whether a movie is a hack, a total joke, a waste of time, or a slash.

SPEAKER_02 0:34

Totally killer. Punintended.

SPEAKER_05 0:36

My name is Chris, and I'm your friendly neighborhood slasher enthusiast. This week I'm joined by the Superfly Space Guy Mac, Ola Muchachos, the Gore Lover Alexis, hey everyone, the cowardly creeper Ryan. Hiya. And the Scream Queen Paris.

SPEAKER_04 0:50

Hey sweets.

SPEAKER_05 0:51

We've got a good one for you this week, folks, featuring another Scream Queen, an 80 slasher starring Jamie Lee Kurtish herself, pitted against a movie from 2008 featuring the same title. But first, we do have some follow-up.

SPEAKER_04 1:04

Yes, we do. So this week I just want to take a moment to give a shout out to two of our new patrons, Gabriel and Tristan. Hello. If you guys aren't familiar with our Patreon, you can get a lot of really cool perks for as little as $1 a month. Right now, Gabriel and Tristan have access to episodes 99, 100, and 101, as well as bonus episodes, hackerslash merch, and our recording schedule. So Gabriel and Tristan, we really appreciate everything you do for our humble little podcast.

SPEAKER_09 1:30

They may also get access to pictures of all of us from other times in our life that are relevant to the movies that we're reviewing tonight.

SPEAKER_04 1:37

Prom pics.

SPEAKER_07 1:38

We should get an updated prom pick of all of us doing the prom pose how epic would that be.

SPEAKER_05 1:43

Oh, it's gonna be a good time. Gabriel has actually reached out to us quite a bit and really given us some really great conversations. So thank you so much for that. And to our newest patron, Tristan, I haven't had a lot of interaction with him, but I'm sure he's wonderful because the only other Tristan I've ever met in my life was a great guy, and he was actually my prom date. So what a perfect time to be talking about these movies. Now, folks, summer is nearly here, and while the class of 2020 may have had a very different end to their high school tenure, we thought it would be fun to explore some horror that unfolds overnight that's supposed to be a milestone for most teenagers. This week, we're talking about both versions of Prom Night. Now, the original from 1980 came early in Jamie Lee Curtis's career, and the remake is actually a title-only remake. So this 2008 story takes a very different turn from its predecessor. But who had seen either of these movies before?

SPEAKER_07 2:35

Nope. I feel like uh the sec uh the the 2000s version um seems a little bit more familiar, but maybe just because of the era it's in.

SPEAKER_04 2:45

What year did you go to prom?

SPEAKER_07 2:46

The same year this movie came out. Hell yeah, me too. Yes, I love it.

SPEAKER_04 2:51

Same. I also went to prom in 2008, and for some reason I saw this movie in theaters. I don't remember a single thing about it though. So going into it, I was surprised yet again by a lot of different things in that movie. Uh, but no, I'd never seen the 1980 version before either.

SPEAKER_09 3:06

So for me, I remember the promo image for the 2008 version where she's like holding the like crown and like screaming. And I had to look it up because I was like, man, I feel like this feels so familiar. Like, didn't we just watch Prom Night or something? So I looked it up and saw that, and I was like, oh, and I have to be honest with you, I am glad we're not playing bingo anymore because I genuinely don't know if I've already seen the 2008 version. And even when I was watching it, you would think I would be like, Yeah, I've seen this, but um, I'm pretty sure that I did see it, I just don't remember. And then, you know, classic Ryan. Of course I didn't see the original. Y'all y'all know me by now.

SPEAKER_02 3:41

I have not seen either of these films, and up until recording, or I guess watching for recording, I honestly hadn't heard of them either.

SPEAKER_08 3:49

I'm so surprised.

SPEAKER_04 3:50

I thought I hadn't heard of them until I saw like the first five minutes of the 2008, and I was like, oh wait, I've seen this movie.

SPEAKER_05 3:56

Oh, interesting. I definitely saw the original several times as a kid, so this is one of those that's like on the list of classic Rojas family slashers that we all like get together and bond over. I know it's silly. I enjoyed it when I was younger, but in all fairness, like the most recently I've seen it before this episode is probably like 2003, 2004, so it's definitely been a minute. I remember seeing the 2008 version in theaters like Paris, like Alexis. I also went to prom in 2008, so what an appropriate time to see it. I remember being like particularly excited to see it because I I was a senior that year and I expected it to be a true remake. And while I was surprised at how totally different it was from the 1980 version, I do have like this like faint memory of really enjoying it, but mostly because of its beginning. But what did you guys expect when you actually sat down and watched these?

SPEAKER_09 4:45

I mean, let's be real, I expected to hate the one from the 80s.

SPEAKER_06 4:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 4:50

And I expected to hate the one from 2008. It's really simple. Yeah, I mean it's our era, girl.

SPEAKER_08 4:56

No, man. Later. I guess.

SPEAKER_09 4:58

Yeah, it's a little too late. The 2000s is where things get questionable, especially especially when there's like a big group of teenagers involved. You know how I feel about teenage movies? They're just not nothing. Like a little coming of age situation doesn't do it for me. So I was like, oh, this is gonna suck.

SPEAKER_04 5:13

Yeah, I also assume that the original was gonna be just an old dusty piece of shit. And from what I remembered, which was very little of the uh the remake, I remembered that one hot guy from uh What I Like About You and Final Destination being in it. Uh, and then turned out he's not. So I didn't remember a damn thing. Everything I expected was wrong, and I'm an idiot for that.

SPEAKER_05 5:34

But there were some guys who were aesthetically pleasing, kind of in this movie.

SPEAKER_04 5:38

Well, we can get into that a little bit later.

SPEAKER_05 5:40

Idris Elba? I mean, yeah, he is a genuinely good-looking person. Daddy.

SPEAKER_07 5:45

That's a daddy.

SPEAKER_04 5:47

Yeah. The the killer was cute. Uh he looked like Ed Westwick and Charlie Manson had a baby.

SPEAKER_07 5:52

And F. P. Jones.

SPEAKER_04 5:54

But uh next to Idris Elba, there's not much you can really do to stand out.

SPEAKER_09 6:00

I'm sorry. What is FP Jones? It's a Riverdale reference. Oh my god. I I did think that the killer in 2008 was handsome. I was I was actually I enjoyed that part of it as well.

SPEAKER_02 6:11

He was basically the original Joe Goldberg for fans of you.

SPEAKER_05 6:14

Yeah, yeah, putting on that ball cap thinking you can hide. True. He did have a big bald spot though.

SPEAKER_07 6:20

I was just like Ryan. I um figured I probably wouldn't like the um 80s version. I figured it would have been something like Ryan was saying, like it was a little too old, the 80s version. I figured I really enjoy the um remake. Um, and I thought they would have some sort of you know ties. Like we were watching The Town That Dreaded Sundown and all um, so I was thinking there would be some sort of ties to the original, but I don't know, I really wasn't expecting much other than a slaughter on prom night.

SPEAKER_02 6:51

You guys are so interesting. I was expecting that I would prefer the 1980 version, those like 2005 to 2010 horror remakes, not a huge fan. I mean, most films in that era, I was not a huge fan, but I was expecting to to prefer the 1980. I I mean Jamie Lee Curtis, like I assumed I was going to like the 1980 simply because of the star power.

SPEAKER_09 7:14

Yeah, I don't have this uh intense affection for Jamie Lee Curtis the way everyone else does in the world. And I know that like maybe the whole entire horror podcast community will like kick me out of the community for this or something. I don't know, but like Jamie Lee Curtis doesn't like drive me crazy. So really that didn't do it for me.

SPEAKER_04 7:33

Yeah, but those cheekbones though.

SPEAKER_09 7:35

I guess.

unknown 7:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 7:37

That I I liked her abs. I like her stomach. She does have a good stomach. The thing about Jamie Lee Curtis is though, she came out in 1978 as Halloween in Halloween as Lori Strode, but then in 1980 she did this movie, Terror Train and The Fog. So she had three horror movies all in that year, and then in 1981, she was in Halloween 2. She did have a few breadcrumbs, like there, she did a cameo in Escape from New York, and she did a cameo in Halloween 3 season of the Witch. But that is why she is the Scream Queen she is. Like she came out strong with Halloween and she kept hidden and strong in the roles that she was in.

SPEAKER_04 8:14

That sounds like a busy few years for her.

SPEAKER_05 8:16

I love Jamie Lee Curtis as an actress.

SPEAKER_09 8:18

I'm just not like, oh, Jamie Lee Curtis is in that. I'm really gonna love it. It doesn't always work for me.

SPEAKER_05 8:22

No, that's fair. I just want to make sure like we establish like there's a reason why she's called the Scream Queen. So like it's probably because like this bunch, like it's a very tightly paced span in her career where horror was all she did, and it was like right at the beginning to define her.

SPEAKER_04 8:36

Yeah, it sounds like Jamie Lee Curtis was the moment in those few years.

SPEAKER_02 8:40

I mean, she is the final girl, right? I mean, at least in my mind. And this was such a transformative time in in horror, specifically in slashers as well, that like how could you not think of her when you think of that subgenre?

SPEAKER_05 8:53

Not like that other girl, was she in graduation day that you called her a scream queen?

SPEAKER_02 8:58

Well, uh to be fair, uh, she was listed as one and she's been in like a trillion horror movies. So the B list has Scream Queens too. I mean, could you call somebody like a Scream Princess? Like they're not quite there.

SPEAKER_05 9:11

I think we called her a duchess in that episode.

SPEAKER_02 9:13

A duchess, that's right. A scream duchess.

SPEAKER_05 9:15

Because who knows duchesses? Nobody. I've grown accustomed over the years to like the slow pacing of some of the early uh slashers have. Now we don't really get a ton of action picking up in the first movie until about an hour into it, but I felt entertained enough by seeing the dynamics between the characters to just like feel at peace with that. But in the 2008 version, ugh, I mean, I felt disconnected. And it had like decent pacing and a couple characters I even found really likable, and we'll get into who those are a little bit later. But there was just this like indescribable something that left me with this hollow impression and didn't really, as Paris would put it, spark joy for me. Which is peculiar because there are a lot of things in this movie that I liked. It was just a little bit bland in some spots. But how about you guys?

SPEAKER_07 10:02

How did you feel while you were watching both of these movies? But 2008 reminded me of a movie I had seen. Like I just felt like I had already seen it.

SPEAKER_06 10:10

For sure.

SPEAKER_07 10:10

It like, you know, I think I was expecting like a horror movie. Um, and I got more of a thr I got I was getting thriller vibes. So I was like, man, this reminds me of like Along Came a Spider, Kiss the Girls. Like I felt like it was like some sort of like who done it, or like not even whodunit, you usually know who the killer is, and then just figuring them out. But I don't know, I was so just trying to find some sort of action in the 80s version.

SPEAKER_09 10:37

Oh, totally agree.

SPEAKER_07 10:38

You know, when you're an hour in, I think there's a contrast. The you know, 2000s version, bam, you got kills right away. Like you got some you got some actions in the beginning.

SPEAKER_04 10:48

I totally agree, Alexis. Like the original took too long to uh to get into the meat of the horror part, uh, and it spent a lot of time developing the characters, whereas the remake spent almost no time developing the characters and just hit the ground running.

SPEAKER_07 11:04

Which I don't know.

SPEAKER_09 11:04

I wish there was something in between. Yeah. I think I will I will give credit to the 1980s version. I think once we got into the action, it it it was good. It was worth the wait. Arguably. It was arguably worth the wait, but it was a very long time. Like when the first death happens, I'm like, oh, just now? Like I didn't even realize that I was watching a scary movie until way too late in the movie. Um, so I I feel exactly the same way, and I think we're probably all gonna be in agreement about that pacing, but there's just also a really big difference between pacing in the 80s and pacing in 2008.

SPEAKER_02 11:38

Perhaps we'll be all in agreement, but then I show up and I actually like the pacing of the 1980.

SPEAKER_09 11:43

Okay, but would you still agree that it's slow even though you like it?

SPEAKER_02 11:46

It's I don't think it's as slow as it could have been. I think they could have gone way slower.

SPEAKER_09 11:51

No kills. Plot twist. All the kills come in the second the sequel.

SPEAKER_02 11:55

Right. I mean, you guys know I'm a fan of of slow-moving like TV show and movies. Like I like things to like take their time and show details that maybe you don't even care about.

SPEAKER_05 12:05

Yeah, like dance scenes. Uh Jamie Lee Curtis dancing? Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:09

Yeah, that's that honestly, that could have been 20 minutes and I would have been happy.

SPEAKER_09 12:12

See, this is where I defer on the Jamie Lee Curtis thing. Yeah, it's cool. I just am not watching a dancing movie.

SPEAKER_02 12:20

Sure, sure. That that's true. But I mean, the 2008 just feels like the typical like WBCW, like uh, what's wrong with that? No, nothing's wrong with that, but it just doesn't feel like a horror movie to me. Like it feels like it's made for TV. Semi cheesy, made for teenagers, yet made for everyone, kind of like not really hard-hitting feeling. Yeah, like it's a drama, but at the same time it's a soap opera, but at the same time, it's a horror.

SPEAKER_09 12:47

Arguably based on the quality of acting that gives you that feeling.

SPEAKER_02 12:51

True. There's there's like an overall feeling of like the acting, the script, and perhaps it's like the camera work or something, but there's like some kind of feel that you can like you can watch something and see it.

SPEAKER_05 13:03

You know what it is, Mac? It's a hundred percent because a couple fights about long distance relationships going into college. That's what it is. That's what puts it over the edge. And finding yourself.

SPEAKER_02 13:12

It was very of the time. Yeah, there was that there was that feeling for me. And there's nothing wrong with that. Like, I tried watching Green Arrow, I just like couldn't get into it. There's nothing wrong with it. It's just like it's it's got a certain, you know, feel to it, and it's it's not it's not really for me. It just feels like it's made for teenagers, which I can respect.

SPEAKER_04 13:33

I also have to say, as somebody who went to prom in 2008, watching the remake, I was very triggered the whole time. Like the silver digital camera, the fashions, the girls going to the hair salon to just have their hair straightened and it still looks like shit. Like I was just I was really taken back to that time in a really powerful way.

SPEAKER_02 13:53

I didn't have this feeling from you guys because I was supposed to be like graduating college around that time. I decided to just redo a couple years for several years in a row. Um, but I was like already like a full-blown adult in their 20s when these kids were supposed to be graduating.

SPEAKER_05 14:07

Damn.

SPEAKER_02 14:08

Well, so were most of those actors.

SPEAKER_09 14:10

I was just about to say that's true. Just on that note, the in the 1980s uh promite, the actors all looked like they were 40 years old, especially the women. They all looked grandma, like you know what's surprising so old.

SPEAKER_02 14:23

I was looking up some of their ages, and they're not as old as they seem.

SPEAKER_09 14:26

I know. I also was surprised by this. Even I thought Jamie Lee Curtis looked a little bit older in this one, and she's really not like that far out of uh, you know, normal age range. She was uh almost she was like 21, maybe.

SPEAKER_05 14:40

But you know what? That damn fine blazer she had with the elbow pads, it makes her look a little bit more distinguished.

SPEAKER_04 14:46

So yeah, I wrote in my notes, was Jamie Lee Curtis born 35?

SPEAKER_05 14:50

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_04 14:51

She looked great, but she did not look like a high schooler. And she probably didn't when she was in high school.

SPEAKER_09 14:56

Yeah, that's how I felt about the other women in that movie. I was like, y'all are y'all have 10-year-old children already. I know it. I can see it.

SPEAKER_02 15:03

There is something in that era about like the way people, you know, do their clothing and their like their hair that makes them look not, you know, 18 or whatever, but it's also the way they speak.

SPEAKER_09 15:12

So true.

SPEAKER_02 15:13

It's just like not how teenagers now or in 2008 would ever speak.

SPEAKER_09 15:17

Yeah, not wearing like leggings and crop tops every day, basically.

SPEAKER_02 15:20

That's true. Which I mean, there's nothing wrong with. I think a good pair of leggings and a t-shirt and some chucks, that's the way to live life right there. But back then, you know, it was all about the what we now call mom jeans.

SPEAKER_09 15:30

Yeah, and like actual shirts, stuff like that.

SPEAKER_05 15:34

You know. Well, hey, you know, times changed and that's okay. Jamie Lee Curtis and her wardrobe, her vibe, one of the things that I really loved or that really stood out to me about the 1980s experience of this movie is the impression that I got about her character because we saw her as a different type of woman here following her role in Halloween, right? And when you look, yes, she was in three slashers in 1980. Well, she was in three horror films. It's debatable whether or not you can consider the fog a slasher, but she's a different type of character in each one. So I found that very, very surprising growing up, and I love that she manages to show a different side of what a final girl is in every film. But I have this like borderline conspiracy theory, guys, and uh it's it's a little spoilery, so we're gonna save it for the second half. But there's a way that I watched this movie, a lens that I put on to watch it. And once I thought about this, I couldn't unsee it, and I now want to like imagine this as existing as the alternate universe of one of the other movies that she did. So we're gonna talk about that in the second half, but that was a big surprise for me when you kind of compare this movie to other movies of that time. What surprised you guys?

SPEAKER_09 16:47

Oh, I was surprised by uh these movies having basically not one thing in common. I mean, that wasn't they could have just titled the 2008 version like A Night Out or like Kids Go to Prom. Or like anything. I mean, I get it, it's it's uh it's not like it was intended to be the same.

SPEAKER_02 17:05

Or like bougie prom night.

SPEAKER_09 17:07

They could have also just called it prom. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that would have been real uh real 2080, I think. Um it would have worked perfect. I was so blown away by how different the stories were and how they had nothing to do with each other. I I totally expected like I expected like a town that dreaded sundown type of thing, some sort of relation or a similar story, but like aside from a tragedy happening in someone's life and then they go to prom, that's pretty much it.

SPEAKER_04 17:33

Totally. I felt the same thing watching the the uh the remake, alleged remake, or in title only, as Chris said. Um but in the original, I was really surprised by how phenomenal the soundtrack was. And I ended up downloading most of the soundtrack and putting it on a playlist, but I was really pleased with how good the music was. I apparently I love disco. But then there was something very specific to one character that I was really disappointed by, and I'm looking forward to unpacking that and really picking Chris's brain in particular, because I know she's probably a big aficionado of this film. Um so yeah, I was surprised by the music and a little disappointed by the way they handled a character in this.

SPEAKER_07 18:13

We'll see. Yeah, I was I I was kind I mean, I was surprised, but disappointed that there wasn't some sort of like tie to them. Um also surprised that like there were there's kind of like a star-studded cast in both of them. You have Jamie Lee Curtis and you have Naked Gun Three and a Half, also which I cannot unsee. I know he probably did this way before he did those, but I think the the same year Airplane came out.

SPEAKER_05 18:42

Oh crap.

SPEAKER_02 18:43

Okay, which is really weird.

SPEAKER_05 18:45

It's so great to see him in a more serious role here.

SPEAKER_02 18:47

And and Ryan sitting here, you know, just like Leslie Nielsen.

SPEAKER_09 18:51

Um, I'm motioning to Paris. Don't worry. I also don't know what they're talking about because I know he's thinking the same thing.

SPEAKER_02 18:57

Wait, Ryan, I'm not. I love Leslie Nielsen.

SPEAKER_09 18:59

Oh, dang.

SPEAKER_04 19:00

I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_02 19:01

Have you seen Airplane or or Naked Gun?

SPEAKER_07 19:03

No. You know that funny guy with the white hair, the dad?

SPEAKER_04 19:05

He did a bunch of like really campy comedies in the 80s, so it was really weird to see him as like a stern, like serious actor in this. I was like, I can't take you seriously. You're Liam Neeson. Wait, Liam Leslie Neeless.

SPEAKER_03 19:20

I'm an idiot.

SPEAKER_07 19:22

Yeah, and then you have like Britney Snow and Idris Elba, and then there's a few other people I've seen um in other slashers. They looked very familiar, but they looked like they were always like backup characters in other like scary movies or any other movies I've seen. But yeah.

SPEAKER_09 19:38

When you watched the second one, did it make you realize how white the first movie was? Yes. Because I it you know I was like, oh wow, it it passed by me. It didn't occur to me at all. And then the we start watching 2008, and I was like, Oh, that was the whitest movie I've ever watched. But when Idriselba popped up as the cop, have you ever have you ever felt joy in your heart like you do when Idriselba graces your screen and you're not expecting it?

SPEAKER_07 20:04

He literally is like I never noticed it, but he's like one of uh he's a top actor for me, for sure. Oh, for sure.

SPEAKER_09 20:12

Also just the prettiest person I've ever seen in my life.

SPEAKER_04 20:14

Yeah, it's great. Just real quick, during the opening credits, my boyfriend and I watched this and we saw his name, but like they used a really weird font, and we saw it in like Jaris. I hated that. We said Jaris Elba. Is this like Idris Elba's cousin or something? Probably would still be hot.

SPEAKER_05 20:29

So look, I was gonna save this for the second half of the episode. Those opening title graphics are by far the most offensive thing about this movie. I absolutely hate it. What are you doing using a script font for one letter and then mixing it within like a typewriter font that has like a texture because there are like certain parts of the letter missing? What's it's a night, man? It's 2008.

SPEAKER_07 20:50

Yeah, it's funny because we've talked about this before, how that usually makes a movie even better. Like, oh my gosh, look at this cool detail that they put in. But this I was like, are they writing a note like to someone?

SPEAKER_05 21:01

You know what this was? This was someone in post-production saying, Oh, I don't know which style we prefer. I'm gonna show you a couple different options. So, like, do you like this letter? Do you like this letter? This is like a mock-up.

SPEAKER_09 21:11

Or hear me out here, someone's family member helped. Oh, yeah. This is their contribute. Someone had a cousin that knows how to use Photoshop.

SPEAKER_02 21:20

And MySpace.

SPEAKER_09 21:21

That's how Hollywood works, baby.

SPEAKER_02 21:22

Why can't they just keep it simple? Just give us a freeze frame of like, you know, like the first second of the actual first scene, and then just set everything in Futura. And as soon as the you know, the titles are done, boom, we can see the action unfold on the same scene we've been watching.

SPEAKER_09 21:37

I'm still unhappy with that idea. Yeah, please no, also to that.

SPEAKER_02 21:41

Yeah. Maybe just me. Maybe I'm a too much of a minimalist. I don't think a lot was surprising. I think my expectations were were pretty well met. Obviously, I was surprised by the fact that the two films are completely separate and have nothing to do with one another. That was a bit surprising, and I was kind of thrown off guard. I would actually say I'm kind of bummed because I was hoping to see. Maybe different details about the characters in the 2008 version. Then when we get there, it's like, oh, I'm just watching a different movie that happens to be set at our prom, which is which is fine, but it was it was kind of a bummer that you know I didn't get to see that same story. I was expecting something more like you know my bloody Valentine, where we just get the 2008 treatment of the same story and then we change it up a little bit. Def definitely not not that effect. So yeah, that I mean that was that was surprising to me. I was surprised by how Canadian the 1980 movie was. I thought I made that up. It's a Canadian film, but it feels just utterly Canadian the whole way through, which is nothing wrong with it. But I like didn't realize that going into it.

SPEAKER_08 22:43

What parts feel Canadian? They're O's and U's.

SPEAKER_02 22:46

I heard that. Yeah, I mean there's there's a couple subtle, you know, vowels that you can kind of make out that people are Canadian, but like some of the characters, super Canadian.

SPEAKER_04 22:54

Also, the uh uh My Bloody Valentine was also Canadian, and that and the original prom night shared an almost identical scene where a couple talks by the water. Uh, and that's where I was like, this is Canadian as fuck. That and like the the O's and accents that were slipping through here and there.

SPEAKER_05 23:11

Also, in what other country would a young woman just willingly go to prom with a guy in a van who barely like almost runs her over, really?

SPEAKER_02 23:18

Named Slick. A guy who's named himself Slick, by the way. Tries to play it off. You could, you know, they call me Slick, but we all know you named yourself Slick.

SPEAKER_05 23:26

So, I mean, Mac, I'm kind of surprised that I wasn't bummed about the 2008 being so wildly different. Typically, I'm one where like if I love the 80 slasher version, I I'm I'm gonna want to see something similar, right? Even when we look at like, you know, the remake of When a Stranger Calls, they didn't remake the entire movie, they just took the best part of the movie and expanded that into an entire movie, and I appreciated that effort. I am not mad about their their their attempt here, but only because I appreciate the story of what they did being set so well in the beginning of it. That saying right off the bat, hey, this is a different movie, this is a different style, we're not gonna do what you expect. I'm okay with that.

SPEAKER_04 24:09

I mean, they basically said, Hey, this is not a remake of Prom Night, we just have the same name.

SPEAKER_02 24:14

Which I mean, I mean that happens. Like in in movies, there are movies that have the same name as a movie that's come decades before it, and they have nothing to do with each other. Which is fine. It's just usually they're either not in the same genre, they don't have the same kind of like feeling of you know, young person whose friends or family have been like brutally murdered, you know, goes to prom. I feel like it's close enough of a of a story or at least a feeling that it seems a bit weird that they weren't related at all.

SPEAKER_05 24:43

I agree. So but the real the other thing to keep in mind though is prom night itself as a franchise is actually more of an anthology. None of the sequels matter or are connected to the first one beyond the fact that the high school has the same name. That's it. So, really, if they had just given the high school the same name in this movie, it would have fit in perfectly with the franchise. But there is one thing that uh the 2008 remake has in common with its uh 1980 predecessor, and it's the fact that neither of these movies are going to particularly give you a fright, at least in my opinion. The 2008 has its, you know, it has its jump scare moment, sure, but I think the strongest potential it has is in how sinister its villain is. He is uh he he's nuts, he gave me the heebie jeebies a couple times. I think he's we'll talk more about you know, see if Matt breaks it up in his fact or fiction, but there's a particular way that he went about preparing for this role that was really unsettling. The 1980s version might be a little bit creepy to the right person, depending on how, like, if you have never been introduced to horror and you can get spooked really easily. I think, in particular, that the phone calls and the voices that that killer uses, he was no black Christmas Billy for me, but I did find him a little bit creepy. But what about you guys? Did anything stand out as frightening in these movies?

SPEAKER_07 26:01

Um, the 2008 version, I definitely thought it was the you know villain in it was scary, but I think what took it away was some of the um acting in it and some of you know Brittany Snow's like sort of I mean, I was just like, really? That's what your face is like when you just I mean, saw like him like in your or your mom's dying. It was just like this weird thing that it just didn't feel genuine. Um, so I think that's what took it away from me. But I really felt like he had enough um just to make him a little bit creepy. I just wish the characters had, you know, really not ruined his performance. Yeah, exactly. Pretty much.

SPEAKER_04 26:40

For me, Alexis. I I come to this thing where if the killer is hot, they're immediately less scary. Because I'm like, yeah, break into my hotel room, daddy. Like, go ahead. Like, what are you gonna do? Kill me. And it just like takes it out of it for me. Like, now had he been hideously disfigured, I probably might have been scared. Though there was one jump scare involving some pigeons in the 2008 version that did get me. Um, but in the original, I didn't come close to getting scared. Uh, the killer, when you see them, is laughable, I'll say that. Uh, which is not scary when you're laughing.

SPEAKER_09 27:17

Yeah, I'm I'm on board. I had n there's no terror in the 1980s version for me. And in 2008, I do think it's a fairly scary movie, depending on what scares you. I mean, creepy men scare me, and jumps often scare me. So uh both of those things, I think if you're watching this for the first time and you're like real into it, I think it'll get you a few times. Now, do they take every opportunity to do the cheapest cheap uh like jump scares that have ever existed? Like every mirror that you see in this movie is an opportunity for someone to for it to move and someone pops up, you know, like those types of things. Um it's definitely that, but that gets a lot of people. So I I'm not gonna discredit that. I think 2008's got at least a little bit of scariness to it.

SPEAKER_02 28:02

I think the the the 1980 was not scary whatsoever. Of course, it's got some creepiness going on with it, but the killer was definitely laughable. So I have to agree with Paris that there's some humor going on uh for for adult viewers. The 2008 just reminded me so much of watching you, even like their complexion and like you know, like the way that they're stubble, yeah, their bone structure, they're stubble, like all that. So I wasn't creeped out, I was expecting him, you know, to give us a maybe a little bit of of that inner speak, maybe just narrating what was about to happen.

SPEAKER_07 28:42

That's what it's meant to be.

SPEAKER_09 28:42

That would have been hilarious.

SPEAKER_02 28:44

Yeah, so maybe I should have watched it close to when it to when it came out.

SPEAKER_09 28:47

Oh, you got inner speak in the the 80s version. Yeah, that was the worst thing. And that was the worst thing.

SPEAKER_02 28:53

I I I don't understand why that happened at at all.

SPEAKER_09 28:56

They totally forgot to bring that into 2008, they should have brought that with them.

SPEAKER_02 28:59

They they should have. Yeah, because that was that was questionable.

SPEAKER_09 29:02

But I felt like I was watching a soap opera.

SPEAKER_05 29:04

I mean, I'm not even sure if it would work with the uh with the 2008 version, as silly as it may have been to do so. Um, because if you look even at the movies themselves, the tones are totally different, right? I feel like the 2008 version was trying really hard to be as scary as it possibly could be with that PG 13 rating. And I'm not a I'm not I don't have anything against PG 13 horror films. I prefer movies with little blood, right? With little gore. I think there are other ways you can scare people. But I think when you look at the endings of both of these movies, the tones, like the first one leaves you with this sense of tragedy that's just beginning on the heels of a lot of like havoc and chaos. But the second one does and it gives it a more set more so a sense of a finality and closure. The 1980s version gives you closure on the mayhem, but it opens up like this deep psychological wound that's just beginning. But how about you guys? How did you feel about the endings of either movie?

SPEAKER_02 30:01

I really liked the ending of the 1980 version because it ended it ends on I mean, it's not really a cliffhanger, but it ends on such an odd note for most movies where you don't feel immediate resolution and you just feel that sting of that wound that you're mentioning, Chris. Uh so I I found it actually to be a kind of a really compelling ending that like you just feel I don't know, despair maybe or sadness. I don't know if you really feel sadness, but you can feel, you know, just like a sudden stab, which is great. Uh the the the 2008 ver version, the the ending was I feel like on par for a 2008 movie. Like it was okay, but I didn't feel like it was a really solid ending. Um there there's a great scene with one of our um one of our friendly detectives that we all enjoy. And I think that one was a good way to help get some resolution. So it's super ambiguous and vague, and you're not gonna understand until you watch it, but um there is a little bit of payoff, I feel like a little bit of payoff, but it's just kind of for me, it was kind of meh.

SPEAKER_04 31:07

Okay, I actually wrote down meh in my notes. The original, I have a lot of questions about the ending. Uh, I was not satisfied. I might be satisfied if my questions get answered by Chris and maybe like there's something I didn't notice at first. Um, but yeah, meh was definitely the energy. And then in the sequel or the 2008 version, the ending was conclusive, but also the story was much more like like one note, like cut and dry, like this is what's happening, and now it's ending. Uh so I was also underwhelmed by that one too.

SPEAKER_07 31:39

They both were an ending to say the least. Movies did end. I do prefer the 1980 version. I think um maybe because I was still trying to figure out who the killer was, I didn't necessarily know, so I liked that part. Um the 2000 version, I mean, it ended, it ended on a clean note, and I I thought it was a payoff from me for a certain character. I was like, all right, yes, okay, you're good, because it's my favorite character in that movie, then we're you know, but yeah, it's how you felt.

SPEAKER_09 32:11

Yeah. For me, the the like psychological wound that Chris mentioned was like opened at the end of the 80s one. I felt that the whole way through uh the 2008 prom night. I just feel like with everything that happened, that the newer one had to end the way that it did because like the poor girl, like her life is just gonna be very hard. Um, so I think it had to end that way. And it it, you know, it's satisfying. I think it it is what I expected from the 2008 PG 13 horror movie. Um the 1980s, I was very confused. I did have to literally look up what the ending was because um something that happens sometimes, and I don't know if it's just me, but like I especially find this with older movies, like a lot of these people look alike, and then they show like a child version of them, and then the adult, and it's well, one, it's not the same person that grew up, but two, people don't look the same when they grow up, and so you're just supposed to understand who they are. And like I even had this issue, yeah, and it where like I'm like, I don't I can't figure out who is who because these are different humans and they don't look the same. So I had to look up the ending of the 80s one and figure out what was going on. And afterwards, yeah, sometimes people are only on screen for like five seconds and their name is said like three times, and I'm not good at faces or names. So it's definitely me. I'm not saying I'm not saying they well, I do have an argument to make about it, but I'm not I'm not blaming the movie completely. Partially it's my fault. But either way, at the end I was confused, had to look some things up and figure out what was happening. And even then, still I was like, Okay, that's how I felt.

SPEAKER_04 33:55

Ryan, you are absolutely not alone. In my notes, I wrote, at first I wrote, um, because obviously it starts with like uh all the characters as kids and then they're in high school. At first I wrote, Thank God they're doing these like flashbacks as they introduce the characters. But even then it wasn't enough because later in my notes I wrote, Who are these people? Because there's too many of them. They all have the same face. I weirdly got the brother and the boyfriend confused a lot. So there were a lot of incest things that came to mind immediately. And I was like, no, no, wait, that's the boyfriend, that's not the brother. But once I did finally, and honestly, one of the really important like character identities wasn't it didn't click in my brain until way beyond most people, probably. But once I got all of the characters figured out and who they were, I knew immediately who the killer was, so I was not surprised. But it was a struggle to get there.

SPEAKER_05 34:44

I I know we need to get to answering these questions, and we certainly will. There I have some questions myself, so fret not. I have questions about both movies, but let's go ahead and start making our way and getting down to business. Alexis, how many people died in the 1980s version?

SPEAKER_07 34:58

We have seven deaths in the 1980 version. 1980s version. And how about the 2008? Oh, um, a body count of 14, something pretty high, pretty, pretty high. Double up. Wish they were all meaningful, or there's, you know. But we'll get we'll get to that. We'll get to that.

SPEAKER_06 35:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 35:17

All right.

SPEAKER_05 35:17

So within the seven from 1980 or within the 14 from 2008, Ryan, were any of those deaths animals?

SPEAKER_09 35:25

As usual, I'm here to just bear great news. Not as usual, but often lately I've been able to say our uh animal report is clean.

SPEAKER_05 35:33

Very nice, very nice. Now let's go ahead and get into our scoring. Let's kick it off with a 1980 version of Prom Night. Is it a hack or was it a slash?

SPEAKER_02 35:42

I'll I'll start things off because the 1980 was a slash for me. I think it was genuinely a pretty decent film that was worth a watch. I think we got to see some some some disco going on, you know, and uh it was kind of fun. But uh overall I liked the pacing, which you guys didn't, because I like slower, slower moving films. I feel like it was a bit juvenile of a film for me. I would have preferred a bit more gore. That being said, I also just watched the latest Rambo movie in which he like literally blows people's heads up, so the scales are are tipped the wrong way. But uh, you know, I think overall it was it was a good watch. I think it it did some interesting things that I didn't expect, uh, involving childhood memories and you know deep psychological wounds, but I think it was worth the watch.

SPEAKER_07 36:30

I wish there was more gore, too. I also wish there was a lot more stuff. Um, I guess I wanted this to be more serious, and I think that comes with the gore. I just I wanted this like rampage on prominent, maybe because that's what I expected. Um, and then I had this silly character hanging off the side of a car. Like there was just a lot of mechanics for me that were missing. Um, besides that, I don't get any payoff or anything for an hour in. Alexis does not like a clumsy killer. You know, I don't like a clumsy killer. You you kill with intention. You you don't trip. You don't trip. Like, but with that said, I I don't know. I I I appreciate it. I I thought it was enjoyable, but I do think it was a waste of my time. So with that, I will have to give it a hack.

SPEAKER_09 37:17

My girl Alexis. I have feelings about this movie. I think that they're gonna be obvious. This was basically like if you wanted to watch dirty dancing but couldn't find dirty dancing, you could watch this movie. And I don't like that. I'm just not no mixed with Saturday Night Fever for sh okay, cool. Uh look, I'm not a I don't claim to be a person that knows lots of 80s movies, so forgive me if it's not like the perfect comparison, it's just the one that comes to mind. I'm good on all the uh high school scenes, I'm good on all the like dancing for 20 minutes scenes, I'm good on like the way these characters interact with each other. It all just feels awkward and like uncomfortable to me. And I'm sorry that I'm this person. Don't apologize for being you. I just don't often enjoy 80s movies, 80s horror movies, because they have things like this. Like the disco music doesn't do it for me. If we want to get like groovy or something, you know, go back to some like like some 80s soul music, I'm down. We can do those dance scenes that I'm in for. Um, so I'm gonna stop complaining. It's a hack.

SPEAKER_04 38:23

So this might be the hardest hack or slash I've had to make thus far because I really enjoyed this movie in a lot of ways. I loved it as like a high school movie. Like it's high school, it's prom, there's pageantry, there's lots of girls talking some shit. It's right up my alley. The dance sequence, superb. I was just jaw on the floor when it happened. I loved every minute of it. I expected it to be bad, and it just kept getting better. And I was like, damn, Jamie Lee Curtis, look at those legs. But as a horror movie, I don't know that it cut the cake, you know, like this the killer wasn't scary. I get the motivation behind it, but specifically, I have like one yes or no question that I need to have answered after the break. Um but even as I'm thinking about it now, like either yes or no, I wanted more. So, like as a movie, as a movie, I liked it. As a horror movie, it wasn't very good. Um, but at the same time, I also gave the purge a slash. Ugh, I'm like truly struggling, you guys. You know what? I would watch it again. I would recommend it to a group of very specific people.

SPEAKER_09 39:38

Don't give in.

SPEAKER_08 39:39

You would recommend this?

SPEAKER_04 39:41

I'm gonna give it a slash.

SPEAKER_08 39:42

What is happening? What's happening?

SPEAKER_04 39:45

I'm I'm just gonna give it a slash. I'm gonna listen to my heart and give it a slash.

SPEAKER_07 39:48

You feel like you listen to your heart and then you do the opposite.

SPEAKER_05 39:51

I think that's not usually that's what he does, but he's evolving. Look, we're all humans here, we're allowed to have different opinions on a day-to-day basis. I've been doing the show for a hundred almost a hundred episodes now. You think I haven't changed my mind once? You're welcome aboard, Paris.

SPEAKER_04 40:04

Listen, I have like a beautiful, I have a beautiful collection of slashes, and this has to be in it.

SPEAKER_05 40:10

Because of the disco scene?

SPEAKER_04 40:11

Because of a lot of the things. The women of it all, the disco of it all, the music, the the pageantry.

SPEAKER_09 40:17

But this is a slash horror movie. Not just a slash, not a movie you enjoy watching. Horror movie.

SPEAKER_04 40:23

I enjoyed watching it.

SPEAKER_09 40:24

All right.

SPEAKER_04 40:25

I can't, I can't say I didn't.

SPEAKER_05 40:26

There you go. No need to complicate it more than that. And I'm gonna keep it just as simple as Paris. Well, you may not be complicated there, but it's fine. This is my kind of slasher, and I'm glad we at least have a nice little bookend here. It has personality, all right? It has conflict, and even though the dancing felt a little bit long for my taste, it has this really nice 80s touch that reflects the time they're in without feeling like it's suffering because of that. Like, you know what I mean. Like, there are some 80s movies you can't get past the fact that they're 80s movies. For me, this doesn't feel like a detriment. This feels like they're embracing it. The gore is fairly light in this movie, which I actually prefer, but there's still the payoff of a dramatic kill that creates this moment of chaos that I think I actually heard a lot of people were looking for in even the 2018 Halloween. Now, this movie is not without its flaws. Like I said, I do have some questions, so maybe there are questions that I can't answer, but it's a solid slasher entry and a satisfying slash for me. Now, the 2008 one, this is where it gets a little bit complicated for me. In a way, I felt like it was just a little bland, okay? Like not bad, just plain. I think a good comparison in my mind would be thinking about the food you like to eat on a regular basis, right? You want something delicious, something flavorful, maybe something juicy, maybe something crispy. But it sometimes you get sick, right? And when you get sick, what do you want? Sometimes you want something plain as hell. Something sometimes you want saltines, maybe a nice little soup, maybe it's just some Gatorade and that's it. And that's what this movie is for me. It's a very, it's a slash, but it's a very specific slash, as in I can have this movie on and not feel like I have to be swayed one way or another by it. I think the movie opening on its own is enough to give it a slash, but this is not something I'm gonna put on to look to for I want to truly be thrilled. Also, I mean the guy who plays a killer in this, he was in that thing you do, which is another one of my favorite movies, and I just can't help but enjoy him as a person. So there we go. How about you guys? The 2008 prom night? Was it a hack or a slash?

SPEAKER_04 42:26

So this was a very clearly defined hack for me. My final note for this film was that it was a steaming pile of horse shit.

SPEAKER_07 42:34

Um which you've used before on other movies, but well, you know, there's a lot of them out there. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 42:40

Where the original had me like so torn, I can easily say this is probably one of the worst movies that we've ever reviewed. Um, I saw it in theaters. I don't remember it being that bad, but I don't remember it very much at all, so it didn't bode well for it.

SPEAKER_05 42:53

Question worst movies that we've reviewed or worst movies we've reviewed since you've been on?

SPEAKER_04 42:57

Since I've been on.

SPEAKER_05 42:59

Okay. All right.

SPEAKER_04 43:00

But the writing was like truly shit. Like the dialogue was bad. Uh the acting, except for Idris Elba, was bad. Um, what else did I write down? Uh the plausibility was not there, where the original film had a balance between like murder and like realism in like everyday high school life. This movie was truly joyless. Um, and I did not enjoy watching it at all. And I even thought like Graduation Day was like a hot piece of shit. Um, but that one was like so bad that it was fun to like make fun of and laugh at. This it wasn't even fun to laugh at how stupid it was. So hard hack, never gonna see it again. Don't watch this. It's bad. I paid $4 for this, I want it back.

SPEAKER_09 43:39

Man, Paris, you are uh truly unpredictable. Like I've never said anyone is unpredictable the way I say it about you. It is, it's it's a it's just an experience. Well, I guess a lot of people have the experience in knowing that you're unpredictable, but um yeah. This movie, I think, is I I really agree with what Chris said. And I'm going to add one thing from your 1980 prom night review is that I think this is like an entry-level horror movie. I think you you watch this, you're going to get the scares that you're looking for. I think if you're most people, not Mac, but other people. Um, I think you're going to get a level of gore. I don't know what Paris is saying, that it's implausible. It makes a lot of sense the story behind what's going on. Um, I'm afraid of creepy men. So uh it feels very plausible. I consistently have a fear that like someone will just this is gonna sound very uh big-headed to say out loud, but I don't mean it in that way, but consistently afraid that someone's just gonna decide to be obsessed with me and try to kill me.

SPEAKER_07 44:43

Which, like, don't most women have that fear? I almost can't had an encounter today, macred about it. So yeah, I completely agree.

SPEAKER_09 44:51

It it it's just a thing, and and maybe that uh maybe that adds to my stress in this movie, but yeah, I'm not gonna lie to you. The acting is not good. I'm not really a fan of Britney Snow. The dialogue in the writing and everything is not perfect. However, I kind of feel that way about all movies involving high schoolers, and so that that level of disconnection, I just kind of have to let that go because it it's never good to me. Um, but I I like the way things went, and so it's a slash. But no, it's not the best movie ever, it's just worth seeing.

SPEAKER_07 45:23

So Chris knows I love high school movies. You guys probably all know.

SPEAKER_05 45:29

Throw a couple lockers in there and a gymnasium scene. Lex is all about that shit. Like, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 45:33

School drama, yes. And if it goes into somehow some crazy, like drama dramatic thing that would never happen in high school, I'm totally down. Um, I love Idris Elba in this. Love him. He's what kept me going through this entire movie. I was like, okay, I'm following him, I'm following, I'm following, following. I love this like cat and mouse game with this guy, but none of this seemed when I say I was taken away, I'm not sure if he's because I was never thinking, oh my god, am I gonna be able to visit my boyfriend? Oh my gosh, like it like you know, I never I I'm removed from this, maybe because it was 12 years ago, but I did graduate during the same time. And I don't know, I think it was more the acting, it was just the acting that did it for me. Like I wish there was more terror on someone's face. I wish they had said less cliche stuff or more and make it kind of funny and make it some something more of a scream, but either way, I am giving this a hack. I don't want to ever watch it again. Sorry. I'm like really brutal tonight, but I'm just being honest. Like I watched these two today and I was like, what the fuck? Because I really wanted them to be so good because they had you're taking this idea of prom a whole bunch of people, and you could really turn it to something like cool, creative. But I think because I was looking, you know, it was missing that gore for me too. It was definitely missing when you have a body count of 14. Can I see some blood? That's true.

SPEAKER_05 47:01

Okay, Alexis. I think a lot of the the sequels to the original prom night are available out there on the internet. You should check it out and let us know if it gets any better, if it meets your need.

SPEAKER_07 47:10

I'll be down. I'll be down.

SPEAKER_02 47:11

What an interesting turn. You probably wow. So let's talk about the 2008 because it's legit saltines with mayonnaise on them.

SPEAKER_05 47:21

Ugh.

SPEAKER_02 47:22

You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05 47:24

Come on, that's just unnecessary. Mayonnaise with salt and pepper?

SPEAKER_02 47:27

No salt, no pepper, because that's too spicy for this movie.

SPEAKER_07 47:30

True.

SPEAKER_02 47:31

It's just straight up plain. Honestly, it's probably not even real mayonnaise. It's that stuff that's like mayonnaise. It's got some of the worst police work and like police decisions that could be in a movie.

SPEAKER_09 47:42

I mean, it's horror though.

SPEAKER_02 47:43

It's horror. It's got the most expensive prom I've ever seen in a film, I think. Just so completely outside the norm for for proms. Although in 2020, who knows what people have these days. I don't I don't I don't know.

SPEAKER_07 47:57

They have Sweet 16s that are super expensive.

SPEAKER_02 47:59

I don't think they got a prom this year, Mac. That's well, that's true. No one got in in 2019. I wonder how much money they spent on their proms. Not in 2020, because no one got a prom. That being said, it's it's not a film for me. That doesn't make it a bad film. It's not a thanks killing for me. So it's it's not a trash movie, it's not a joke of a movie, it's just not for me. It's a little bit too bland, it's a little bit, you know, too oriented towards towards teenagers. Maybe if I were a teen uh watching this, you know, back in the day, I would have appreciated it, you know, and and bought into the hype at 30 something. It's just, you know, it's not it's not on my alley. But I so I watched this with my girlfriend. She didn't take too badly to it. I mean, obviously, we questioned, you know, we question the decisions a lot of the characters make because that's horror movies, and you always have to be like, why are you doing that? Why are you going in there? But it wasn't it wasn't a bad film. It had a really solid antagonist. I love a good organized killer, love to watch them work on screen. That was fantastic. It had Idris Elba. You can't complain about that in any movie. I don't care. I mean, we were just watching, we've been watching The Office a lot, and just his like little section when he's when he's in the office, fantastic, fantastic. So that was honestly the real star power of this movie was Idris Elba Idris Elba. Um, not any of the the teenage cast or people playing teenagers. So where we're going with this is while it's not for me, it's not a hack. It's a it's a slash. I don't think it was a joke, I don't think it was a waste of time, I just think it wasn't for me.

SPEAKER_08 49:29

Thank you.

SPEAKER_05 49:29

I don't vote like that, so nope. That's okay. Here's the thing, right? We're all different human beings, and one of the things about this show is that you may lean on one side of the scale or the other. Uh we're not gonna all think the same. But somehow we thought similarly enough that the 2008 and the 1980 version of Prom Knight tied each at three slashes and two hacks. Although Paris giving a movie a slash might as well count for two slashes, so there you go. Somehow these movies tied, and you can find both of them streaming, or you can rent the 2008 version. But be sure to stick around. Join us in the second half after you watch these movies so we can unpack my conspiracy theory about Prom Knight, and we can also hear more about why Paris readed a slash. See you in a bit.

SPEAKER_00 50:28

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SPEAKER_05 51:39

Alexis hit us up with the Gore score for the 1980 version.

SPEAKER_07 51:42

Low?

unknown 51:43

Hello.

SPEAKER_07 51:44

How low can you go? Because uh, okay, there is a few scenes which we'll talk about because it was so gratifying at the end. So I'll talk about 2008. Left me wanting so much more. Just like plenty of exes have. Um X's from 2008 or from 2008, probably, yeah. And I just want to know what everyone thinks about this. How can you have? I mean, I understand the ratings and stuff like that, but this is definitely one of the reasons why I gave it a hack was how can you have 14 deaths, but like you literally don't see anyone killed, really.

SPEAKER_04 52:19

Yeah, 14 deaths, and I could not come up with a favorite kill because they were all so blah.

SPEAKER_02 52:24

I felt one that was more impactful, but like I just imagine being like 15 and watching this movie though. You would have been like, ah, I'm so scared. There's killing.

SPEAKER_07 52:33

I'd love to know what's scream rated is rated R. Oh fuck. Alright. I guess I'm desensitized. All right. Very few slashers are rated PG-13.

SPEAKER_09 52:42

I think I agree with you though, because I think the the kill in the beginning of the mom right in front of her in 2008 version is the only one that you feel anything about. Everything else is just the anticipation of the kill. I felt bad about Lisa's death.

SPEAKER_07 52:56

I did feel bad about Lisa, yes. Lisa was bad.

SPEAKER_02 52:59

Lisa was the one. She was actually being a good best friend too. The second she remembered, she was thinking about it that whole time. And then as soon as it hit her, she was like, I'm out of here. I gotta go help my best friend.

SPEAKER_09 53:10

But wait, did you feel bad about Lisa dying or the scene where Lisa is killed? Because if I'm maybe I'm misremembering, it's just a splash of blood on a piece of plastic.

SPEAKER_02 53:20

So the all the other kills in the movie were basically stabby stabby in the stomach.

SPEAKER_07 53:24

Yeah. With the crunchiness of Captain Crunch.

SPEAKER_02 53:28

But she actually got like her throat sweat.

SPEAKER_07 53:31

Yeah, that's the only one you really see.

SPEAKER_05 53:32

And it is fairly aggressive, and there was such a pursuit for her that it felt worse to me than any of those.

SPEAKER_04 53:39

Her kill was like the Wendy kill.

SPEAKER_09 53:41

I feel bad about her dying.

SPEAKER_07 53:43

I just don't remember that moment where she died, but maybe I I she was kind of remember they were like in the which is really cool to see a uh floor of a hotel being remodeled. That's neat.

SPEAKER_09 53:54

Um also seems unrealistic, but we'll go for it.

SPEAKER_07 53:57

They do do that.

SPEAKER_09 53:58

I know, but like the way they foreshadowed it, like, hey, just so you know, this is a we're remodeling this. And um, that's where uh when he's like checking in, when he's checking in at the hotel, he they tell him that it's getting remodeled there. So it's like obviously at some point they're gonna end up on that floor in a chase scene.

SPEAKER_07 54:15

So I hack, but okay, yeah. I apologize.

SPEAKER_09 54:17

I only remember seeing the scene where her blood is splattered uh across the plastic.

SPEAKER_07 54:22

So that's where I'm that was pretty much I mean, there's a lot of cat and mouse in this, which I think some people do like. Do you like that?

SPEAKER_05 54:31

Hell yeah, I like the cat and mouse. She likes a good cat and mouse. Yeah, that's why you like any final girl. Like she had a final girl level chase, except it didn't turn out well for her. Yeah, I really wanted her to live.

SPEAKER_07 54:41

I felt so bad when she was under the table and like her freaking boyfriend was right there, so she technically could just I would have just screamed and like, you know, whatever, but then she's like, I don't want him to die, and I'm just like when he came down and like was yelling for her.

SPEAKER_02 54:55

I really wanted her to just like charge the dude and knock him over and and start screaming for help. I was really hoping she was gonna do some kind of like active defense and try to get out of the situation.

SPEAKER_09 55:05

Yeah, if I put myself in that situation though, it's like I feel like you would get paralyzed by trying to make a decision on what to do, and you have such a small window. Yeah, it's not it's maybe it's because I just wanted her to live.

SPEAKER_02 55:17

Yes, that's it. I was really hopeful that she was gonna live and get down there and like warn her.

SPEAKER_09 55:21

Yeah, she was the best part of this movie. Yeah, aside from the killer, which is weird to say.

SPEAKER_05 55:26

No, a hundred percent.

SPEAKER_04 55:27

Chris, you said that Lisa got almost like a final girl kill scene, and I don't want to completely disregard the gore in the 1980 version because our girl Wendy, who was my MVP of that version, um, she got the longest, most drawn-out chase scene.

SPEAKER_05 55:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 55:42

And I was pretty satisfied with her death too. I was like, damn, Wendy's dead, but she put up a damn good fight. There was even a moment where I was like, You're not gonna catch Wendy, fuck off and move on, dude.

SPEAKER_07 55:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 55:51

But I think the most like gory element of that movie was actually the audio that they played when when Kelly was killed and she had her throat slit. That juice full jar of mayonnaise, full mac and cheese stir. It was that I can't even do the sound with my mouth, and you wouldn't want me to if you're listening with headphones. Um, but it was gross.

SPEAKER_09 56:13

It was so juicy. I did know that. I was like, man, they really went in with that one.

SPEAKER_02 56:18

Yeah, like they didn't show it, but they we heard it. Was the decapitation not the most satisfying kill in the movie, though?

SPEAKER_07 56:23

Hell yeah, it was. It was the best kill in the damn movie. From the biggest jerk. Now, my thing is it's so crazy. And I I mean, I did give this a hack, but I do appreciate like it did make me feel some emotions. Like you have this ending scene where you have Lou's death, so you're like super satisfied. You're like, hell yeah, he deserved it. I I mean, I thought so. I know how everyone feels about men dying in movies that might deserve it, but technically don't deserve to die. He was a predator.

SPEAKER_04 56:51

Yeah, he that was fair.

SPEAKER_07 56:53

And then you cut, you know, to your ending scene where you have, you know, the brother dead. And it's crazy. I've never really felt like the same unless it's like, you know, the heroine or the hero of the movie that I'm like, oh my gosh, they died, but I've never felt like that about someone who's you know killing all these people in a movie and then at the end feeling bad for them.

SPEAKER_05 57:16

So the reason for that is because this movie is one of the only ones that have a sympathetic killer. Because when you look at it, this movie is built to make you like Alex, and he's a very good brother. He just he stands up for his sister. It looks like he has a really good relationship with his parents, and he seems like a sweet, you know, like um reserved kind of guy.

SPEAKER_04 57:35

So this is where my question comes in. Um, pretty early on, I figured out that the killer was Alex. But my question is, was Alex gay? Because it felt very queer-coded, it was very kind of ambiguous. He fully wore his mom's lipstick and mascara while he did all these kills. He had a bedazzled ski mask.

SPEAKER_07 57:59

Glittered hood, yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I thought he was into his sister for a minute when they were having that moment before prom. I was like, yikes. I did too.

SPEAKER_02 58:07

Maybe, yeah. Maybe that was just an you know, he was just admiring her. That's all. Like he wishes he could be her.

SPEAKER_05 58:13

So, to my knowledge, there's absolutely no subtext there that is intentional from any of the production stuff. And I've actually never gotten that vibe about Alex. What I got with the vibe I got from him was the devastation of losing his twin sister, and that any of that feminine energy there was like him like grappling with this like loss of a twin.

SPEAKER_04 58:34

Okay, fully didn't know that they were twins, but it makes sense now because they were wearing matching shirts. Statistically, twins are more likely to have a gay among them. If you're a twin and you're gay, write into the podcast to prove that I'm not crazy, but this is a thing.

SPEAKER_09 58:47

Um person that that applies to.

SPEAKER_07 58:50

Yeah, I know a lot of twins. If you're a twin and not gay.

SPEAKER_04 58:53

But then why was he wearing lipstick and mascara while doing all of these things?

SPEAKER_09 58:58

That is a great question.

SPEAKER_02 58:59

So it goes it goes back to that like him like missing his his twin sister thing to where he like can't let go of her and he's channeling channeling her being into himself because he can't let go of the fact that she's gone.

SPEAKER_09 59:12

Can we just for like fun note that that wasn't particularly clear in the movie and there's reasons why.

SPEAKER_07 59:19

So there were some scenes cut from the movie, and yeah, but see, this is not this isn't that they were all related. No, they're just I did not know that.

SPEAKER_02 59:28

Yeah, that took me a while to get.

SPEAKER_05 59:30

You know, it is pretty clear that they're related. Like they they do set that up.

SPEAKER_02 59:34

Yeah, so there's scenes cut from the movie that were gonna try to be a bit more serious about who the killer could be. So they're gonna try to paint basically basically each member of the family as a possible suspect.

SPEAKER_07 59:45

I do like that.

SPEAKER_02 59:46

Yeah, I think that that actually would have added to it. There was a while I thought it was the mom.

SPEAKER_07 59:50

Because I definitely thought it was the dad for a hot second.

SPEAKER_02 59:53

And each of them has a scene that would have made it seem like they could have been the killer.

SPEAKER_09 59:58

But I would like to note that those scenes weren't in the movie, right? And so, as like a typical I try to be the person that's coming in fresh here, right? I don't do research on a lot of these things so that I can watch this movie and address it and assess it as such. That isn't in the movie, and the subtext of why he's wearing lipstick and all this stuff, it it's not clear in the movie. I'm not saying you can't get it, it's not like it's far-fetched. I I get the concept, it's a twin sister, but it's not like it's abundantly clear, and that that's something I don't like.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:33

Ryan, I'm truly not sold on like the feminine energy of the twin sister theory, but I do have an alternative. The crazed serial killer that escapes, um, that they allude to a few times in the movie. At one point they referred to him as a homicidal fruitcake. Uh, so I also considered that possibly Alex was pretending that he was that guy, and that's why he made all those very gay choices as a killer.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:56

For me, like that always felt like it's it's Robin because there were twins. He finds her body, right? They're close. He probably feels a tremendous amount of guilt for leaving her because he walked away from her, he didn't even wait for her, really. Um, so I've never gotten anything but that vibe when watching that movie. It's interesting that you bring that up, and I'll give it another watch and see if I feel that way, but for me, it just wasn't particularly there. You know, there's nothing, there's nothing to confirm, right? So it does, it does stand up, as you're saying, with queer coding. He's never definitively proven to be straight.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:29

Yeah, also shows very little interest in having a prom date. Um, but the last thing I'll say about it is at the beginning of Wendy's kill scene, she's in the bathroom and her mascara is like shit, and the killer enters the bathroom and she's like, Hey, do you have any mascara? And then like the whole chase scene and kill happens, and then they like do a close-up on the killer's eye, and all I could think was like, So you do have mascara.

SPEAKER_09 1:01:51

Maybe he has luscious lashes.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:54

Oh, that was fully mascara.

SPEAKER_09 1:01:56

With that being said, you get a view of the killer's entire body during the whole like van chase scene. And to me, the person hanging onto the van is like a big sh strong man. And then when we get to the end and you start to see like the mascara like lipstick situation, then I'm like, is this a a woman? Like the mom? Yeah. Yeah. So confusing. And then clearly, like, um, this is maybe like a silly detail, but the body type is completely different than that that was hanging off the van. And so it just got into this weird place, and that's where so much confusion came up for me at the end. I'll take this responsibility of not realizing, like, I literally didn't realize it was her brother when they pulled the mask off. I truly had to look up who was the killer in this and why, and saw, oh, it was their her brother seeking revenge. But like, I don't know, there was just a lot of stuff that just didn't make sense in the end for me. And I get like I get the concept, like the brother seeking revenge, cool, but the way it actually happened was very confusing and and just a lot for me.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:01

Yeah, the brother wearing lipstick was a question mark for me. Like, even within channeling that energy, it's still like it feels unnecessary.

SPEAKER_09 1:03:09

And the sparkly, it it took a few scenes, and then I was like, is his scheme mask sparkling?

SPEAKER_04 1:03:14

Oh, very specifically glitter ski mask.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:18

I know everyone was saying kind of, or had maybe some similar feelings about like the 2008 version being like kind of flat. I do feel like the ending for that was not necessarily flat, it just made me feel like okay, Idris Elba got his thing. He's you know, got I I I think I would have been missing it had he died or something. Like I then I really probably would have turned the movie off. I'm like, okay. It'd have been too much heartbreak, honestly. Yeah, and I know you'd mentioned like it would have been too much heartbreak on her, but honestly, her character, her character, or maybe her acting in this, and I I I feel like I I love Britney Snow and Pitch Perfect, so I just don't like her in this. And she got me hella scared. And would you rather? But she never like I never got that feeling like, oh, poor thing if she goes through one more thing again. I'm just like, damn, I have to see her like when her mom died, it was just seeing her face. I was just like, uh no.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:16

So for me, she felt like a victim most of the time and a survivor by coincidence and less of like her taking action into her own hands.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:24

Big fact.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:25

Yeah, I think so. But it was also like, you know, when he was in the when he first came into the room, like just I wanted more terror on her face. Maybe because I was just lacking on the whole uh gore side of it that I needed more something in the other character. So I think it was just like lacking a lot for me of the terror.

SPEAKER_09 1:04:42

Did you also want her to not wake up from a nightmare and then do the exact thing that she did in the nightmare? Because that was I was like, why? And also, this is a this is different, but like the use of dreams is so tired. And this was I was like, we got two dream scenes in this, two or you wake up from a dream, but yeah, she like what wakes up and does the exact same thing, and you're like horrible.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:06

Okay, well, she's also a bad gonna get killed. She's also a horrible friend when she's in the cop car and is just telling uh the boyfriend Ronnie, yeah, when she's just telling Ronnie, oh yeah, she died in there. She's that was like she's dead and gets in the car. I'm like, what the fuck? I mean her other friend died.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:25

She didn't know where Lisa was.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:27

Well, I don't know. It was just the way she had said it like nonchalantly and got in the car.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:31

Yeah, and then bailed.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:32

Yeah. Sorry, I gotta go take care of myself. So, although I thought like I I could care less if that part went on just because she didn't seem very convincing that she was this distraught person, but um but yeah, I really like Idris Elba ending it and then you know, it being a conclusion to his like portrayal of this killer, and you can tell he's been trying to chase this guy throughout.

SPEAKER_09 1:05:54

Yeah, this would have been a great episode of like Law and Order.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:57

CSI. No, not too much like forensic in Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:01

It's it's like Luther America. Where he comes to the States and he's tracking one killer. I got a lot of those vibes in this in in the 2008 uh version of this film. It's so good. I just loved his portrayal of the detective, even though they made completely stupid decisions all along the way. I was so happy to see he got that like resolution though. Yeah. Because in in if you watch Luther, like a lot of times he doesn't get a satisfying resolution because sometimes it's like, oh, I won, but at what at what cost? You know.

SPEAKER_09 1:06:28

I think that had to happen in this movie. Like it just had to be done. Killer's dead. That's it.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:33

I was really worried though, because I was like, either they're gonna kill the partner or they're gonna kill him. And when the partner wasn't dying, I was like, Oh, they're gonna, they're gonna kill him. Like that this is gonna suck. But thankfully they killed the partner off because it had to be one of them at a certain point. The tension was building to show you a cop was gonna go.

SPEAKER_09 1:06:51

I thought they were trying to give us some uh the cops in on it vibes, his partner.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:56

It was. We said the same thing when watching it because his looks were like really suspect. Yeah, especially when he was watching that house.

SPEAKER_09 1:07:02

Yeah, and he got that call and he was like, Man, it's uh he was like, I'm gonna I'll call and let him know. And the guy was just giving off some weird energy.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:09

I thought that cop was such a little pip squeak walking around following Idris Elba. I was like, Can you go? Like, why are you here?

SPEAKER_05 1:07:16

Pip squeak is the perfect word to describe him, right?

SPEAKER_04 1:07:19

I was like, get out of here. Idris has this. I was not worried about him at all. He was just up his ass the whole time.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:25

The 1980s ending though. I mean, it it had that like moment of brutality. And I think by that point, like we had also realized that it's most likely the brother, and if it's not, it's gonna be her mom or dad. And so when she like whacks them over the head, we were just like, Oh no, no, no, no. Like, don't I mean, at least I was thinking like don't hurt them too bad, like just disable them so that they can get back up. Because the the whole movie paints it as it's most likely going to be the father, the mother, or the brother.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:54

Yeah, someone she knows.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:55

Yeah, and they've they've already shown that it's not gonna be the janitor. Like, we already know that he's got like an alibi during that time and he's trying to help. The peeping tom. The peeping tom.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:05

What was that? That poor man. Every time they zoomed in on his face, I just laughed my ass off.

SPEAKER_09 1:08:11

It's just weird 80s decisions that were made.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:14

And then when Vicky just like shows him her ass, I was like, okay, Vicky.

SPEAKER_09 1:08:17

On the same note as I was watching the 1980 prom night, I was thinking, man, where's them titties? And then they showed up.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:25

You got your payoff.

SPEAKER_09 1:08:26

It was almost the exact same moment that I said it.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:28

Wait, I loved Kelly so much. Like before they really got into like Wendy's whole gig, I thought Kelly was my favorite girl. One, because she looked exactly like the child that she that portrayed her, so I knew exactly who she was in all of this. There was no confusion there. Um, and then I also feel like she was the most lived in. Like the very beginning scene where she's like at her kitchen table, just like chilling. I was like, this is just a woman being herself. She's just a high school girl, has a boyfriend that wants to have sex with her. She doesn't know if she's gonna do it. I just really liked her as a character. And then, you know, her titties came out and she got her throat slit.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:56

So she had a moment of dialogue that I love so much, and that's like picking up on it after you watch the movie. And she says, if I don't do it with him, he'll find somebody else who will. And Kim says, So let him. And she says, I'd die if he did. And you already know she's gonna die, but she does die right after he walks out on her.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:17

And is like, I'll get somebody else to suck this dick. That's a good call out, Chris.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:21

I was so happy that they didn't end up doing anything though.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:24

Yeah, he was a douche. We should talk about the 2008 version though, because uh the fact that he was gonna propose to her after they had sex on prom night. Like, I don't know about you guys. Actually, I have a question. Is anybody here like currently dating their high school boyfriend or girlfriend?

SPEAKER_07 1:09:39

Hell no. No, hell no. I hated that person.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:42

Can we all agree that that's ridiculous? So so wait, wait a second though. I'm still really good friends with my high school sweetheart.

SPEAKER_09 1:09:49

You don't count your friends with everyone.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:51

Well, that's true.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:52

But also friends is fine. That's true. But to like think that you're gonna spend the rest of your life with the person you date in high school. Like, if you listen to this right now and you're in high school, you don't know who you are at that age. You are gonna become five different people before you figure it out.

SPEAKER_09 1:10:04

But to be fair, when you're in high school, you definitely I'm not everyone, but most people are in the relationship they're in and intend to stay there and think they're gonna be together for a long time.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:15

That's always been crazy to me. You gotta play to win. I'm like, your life begins when you get out of high school.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:20

Right. We know that now. So people that young lack that perspective, though, Paris.

SPEAKER_09 1:10:26

For sure. Like it's so that's real. Like, people definitely gave each other rings in my high school.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:31

I don't know about on prom night, but and also Ronnie seemed like a sweet guy. So let him do him.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:36

But also, like, wouldn't you propose before you had sex? That would just make the sex better.

SPEAKER_09 1:10:40

No, that's not how high schoolers do things. Come on, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:44

Also, don't pick prom night. Like, that's like doing it on Christmas. Like, pick a different day. That's an overlap in occasions.

SPEAKER_09 1:10:49

Yeah, I'm cool with it.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:50

You want you want distinct, you know, separate occasions. No.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:54

What are you doing anniversary of your prom?

SPEAKER_09 1:10:57

Good point, Alexis. Good point.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:58

You'll act like prom is every year.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:00

I mean, if you marry your high school sweetheart, maybe you are.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:03

It's funny because it gives us this whole new like idea of the word prom posal.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:07

Oh can we do a dedication though for this post for all the people who couldn't go to prom this year or graduate?

SPEAKER_05 1:11:14

Look what you missed out on. Not dying at the hands of serial killers. Good job, guys. So true.

SPEAKER_09 1:11:19

I didn't go to prom.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:20

I went to prom. How was it, Mac? It was good. My parents drove us, they picked us up. Well, neither of us owned cars. You didn't do the limo thing? No, we didn't do a limo thing. Limos are completely unreasonable and such a waste of money.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:30

Okay, but if there's like 10 of you and you can all rent the limo and it wasn't that expensive when we did it, they're not comfy.

SPEAKER_09 1:11:36

It's not enjoyable.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:36

It wasn't worth it, don't get me wrong, but it's just what we did because it was prom.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:40

We didn't like we like had zero interest in a limo. We were like, we're going over here for dinner, you know, and then we went, who got hibachi, and then we're going to then like carpool over, you know, to whatever location. Yeah, it was really good hibachi though.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:53

Dave, your hair smells after hibachi and your clothes. So true.

SPEAKER_09 1:11:57

High school kids love hibachi.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:59

That's true.

SPEAKER_09 1:12:00

Were either of your proms in any way similar to ones in these movies? My problem is pretty lame.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:05

Absolutely not. Not at all.

SPEAKER_09 1:12:06

None of nobody? Nothing movies. Nobody dances at proms. Am I right? Wait, I can't speak. I didn't go to prom. I'm asking. Do people dance at proms? Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:16

Yo, we got down.

SPEAKER_09 1:12:17

Like this on the dance floor or like twerking in the corner?

SPEAKER_02 1:12:20

We had way better music. Twerking. There was a lot of twerking. There was a lot of getting very low to the ground. There was, you know, it was for me, it was 2004. And so there's a lot of 2004 rap and hip-hop music going on. A lot of Usher.

SPEAKER_09 1:12:32

Yeah, that's what I see. Not this. Yeah, yeah. I'm on board with that.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:35

And no one had something of this extrav extravagant or any prom that's in any like show, movie, anything like that.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:44

Ours was at like a uh like a hotel in like a reception area, and then there was a separate room for dancing, but the neighboring school had theirs on a boat, and I was like, damn, I want to go to that prom.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:54

I barely remember it, and I barely remember it because I went with this guy, super nice guy, right? Very great gentleman, doing great things with his life now. However, I was not there in spirit. Uh, I was there in spirit with a girl that I had met at a uh military ball, which is like the ROTC prom. But there was that whole subtext of like, is she into me? Is she not? Because it definitely seems like she's flirting with me. And she also happened to go to the prom with her cousin. So I was like distracted by that whole element the whole night.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:23

I had an interesting, I don't know if you know who asked you guys or who you ended up going with or whatever, but when I when I moved from overseas back to the States, I did it to go for a few weeks and then we just remained friends after that. And right around, I would say, like the middle of my senior year, um, somewhere around there, I I took a freshman to military ball, Chris. I don't know. Just don't judge me.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:43

Military ball is not as important as prom, Alexis. It's okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:46

Whatever. I was I was only 17.

SPEAKER_09 1:13:49

You were a player, and we know it. Seniors that hang out with freshmen, we know what kind of people you are.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:54

I hang out with a lot of people, but being nasty. I know, nothing happened. But I people were asking me, like, who are you gonna take to prom? And I was like, I don't know, I'll probably just take the girl I took to to military ball. And so this girl that I've been friends with for the for that whole like year and a half I was at that school, they were like, Oh my god, I can't believe you. And I was like, Why can't you believe me? And they were like, Because you're you need to take so-and-so. You guys dated, you guys made really good friends. So, like, we I took her to prom. We then started dating again until I went away to college, which is something that the characters in this movie mentioned, but it's not the way that they meant they thought like the girl was gonna go to college and then they're gonna, you know, whatever, like she was gonna be bad or she was gonna lose interest.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:35

I didn't realize this is still a thing or was a thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:38

My college was 20 minutes away and she lived down the street from me.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:41

Mac, I think she was just like letting you down easy.

SPEAKER_09 1:14:43

Oh, she was just that was just a breakup. Yeah, she wanted to break up with yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:47

She did conversations later though, it definitely wasn't it definitely was not like that. She was legitimately in fear of that, but we remain good friends to this day. She's married, she's an entrepreneur, she's a business owner, really good friends.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:57

Classic Mac. I do have a question. This movie, both movies actually, Paint Prom is like this gigantic milestone, and is like the night you're gonna remember for the rest of your life. I barely remember mine. Do you guys like was it that significant for you?

SPEAKER_07 1:15:10

I think it was the build-up for me. It was like, oh my gosh, like getting your hair, getting your makeup done. Um, I went to a friend's, but like mine broke out in hives, like just I don't like the attention on me broke out in hives so much because like everyone was my whole family was over the house. But I never thought that I was like, oh I never had these feelings that these characters had ever. Where am I going with my life? Like, this is the end. Like, are we ever gonna be friends? You know, I feel I I never thought about that at all. I was like, I'm going to college, see y'all. Fuck no.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:44

I didn't have friends in high school, so fuck it.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:46

Exactly.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:47

I have no attachments to any of you.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:49

I feel like prom is different when you're gay.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:51

Just because like there's always this connotation of like prom is when you lose your virginity. But in 2008, I was the only openly gay uh student at my school. So I wasn't I went with one of my girlfriends, Megan Brown, shout out. Uh, I went with her because she was smart, funny, and driven.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:08

And just where he loves in a man.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:10

That's true. But I it wasn't this like big moment in life. I did enjoy the pageantry of it, and I do admit that like there was a lot of like sadness. Like I remember they played a couple slow songs that towards the end of prom, and we were all kind of like together and we were like getting a little misty-eyed because it was definitely the end of something. Um, but it wasn't this whole thing that prom is like uh like a stereotype or like cliche of being promenade.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:34

The whole losing your virginity, I just don't get it.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:16:37

I didn't go to prom. I did very few things in my life that were like stuff you're supposed to do. So this is on par. And I also had just moved to Florida and knew zero people, but I did feel a void of not going to prom, at least when it was happening. I don't know if I felt much after that, but high school was miserable altogether.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:55

So there you go. I think we can relate on that. So the prom is approached in two pretty different ways. One of them is like generally extremely excessive, and the other had one of my favorite visual elements of either movie, and that was the dance floor that looks just like Paris' nanoleaf canvas. Definitely. Remember when the head was on it too? That was sick. They're dancing on lights.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:17

It was the most baller dance floor ever. I thought you were just gonna say the best visual element was that dance sequence because it was amazing. That was the best part of both of these movies.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:26

The sequence itself was great, but the dance floor I really enjoyed in particular. But a couple of things that like really stood out to me was the uh the close-ups of the pencil tapping and dropping when the killer was making their phone calls. There's something about the way that was shot, and you could see just how much pressure they were applying on that list and like how much rage was like felt in that moment. I really enjoyed that. And as far as the 2008 version, there was very little that stood out to me visually. There's two parts. Uh, that's where Fenton is in the closet of the hotel room. It's pitch black, and he lifts his head up to reveal himself to Michael, and then Michael fucking gets it. He was my favorite kill, hated that kid, he was a piece of shit. I don't care how remorseful he was about anything.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:06

Yeah, that was a toxic relationship.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:07

Yeah. And I also appreciated in the opening scene when she doesn't see it, but we as the audience see the father dead on the couch and the TV is on. Because that there's so much weight in that moment of just showing you how their life was just interrupted unexpectedly. But what about you guys? What did you enjoy visually?

SPEAKER_04 1:18:26

For me, the dance sequence in the 1980 version is something to really write home about. I wasn't expecting it, I didn't necessarily even want it, but as it started, I was like, okay, we're doing this. Uh I get it. Uh, and then it just got really good, and like the choreography was good. Jamie Lee Curtis looked amazing. For the first like maybe 30 seconds or so, I thought she was dancing with her brother. And I was like, Oh, her and her gay brother are like doing choreography that they learned. Um, and then I realized it was her boyfriend.

SPEAKER_07 1:18:53

It was she was definitely weird dancing with her dad, too. Okay, let's not forget it.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:57

Dancing with the dad was very strange. I was like, girl, you're at prom. Come on. Uh, and then 2008 really didn't have a lot for me. So I had the same thing you did, Chris, with the uh the baseball cap reveal in the shadows where the killer's like, hey, I'm in the closet, die now.

SPEAKER_09 1:19:10

So for what it's worth, I'm I can't exactly remember if it's the one where he reveals his face in the closet or the one where he tries to reach out at the back of her head. But one of those moments was in the advertising for 2008 prom night, and it's definitely like the thing that stands out. I don't know what else.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:29

That was the hand. That was the hand reaching out because I it was yeah, because when you like click to watch the movie, that's like the the little clip that they have there, a screenshot or whatever.

SPEAKER_09 1:19:37

Yeah, I feel like the 2008 movie is like so predictable that you would feel like you've seen it even if you haven't seen it, and that's why I don't know if I saw it or not. But anyway, I'm gonna go real shallow here for my favorite scene from the 1980 film, and it's because I didn't care for the film very much, but uh it's when Jamie Lee Curtis has her shirt unbuttoned in her little bralette and she walks out. It's a crazy. That's all I got. Look at you. Shameless. I mean, there's certain things you're looking for in an 80 slasher. It is what it is.

SPEAKER_07 1:20:07

It was a good look for her.

SPEAKER_09 1:20:08

She I was thinking, man, I should really have a salad for dinner.

SPEAKER_07 1:20:12

You know how we always talk about like how big a room feels, how small it feels? Let me tell you, that hotel room in 2008, that's what I really liked. It was just I had like no sense of uh anything in that room. I was like, is he there? Is he here? Is he there? Also, I felt like it wasn't that big, so I think they did exaggerate it a little bit, like other people have done in my past.

SPEAKER_09 1:20:36

High school budget.

SPEAKER_07 1:20:37

That was not high. I mean, they were all staying in there, I guess.

SPEAKER_09 1:20:40

They said the they said just Ronnie had gotten it, and that was like even if his parents paid for it. Suites and hotels cost a lot of money. Yeah, they clearly lived in a rich community though.

SPEAKER_07 1:20:51

Yeah, that is true. But yeah, I do like that just scene. Like there, there's the every character goes in, or s most of the characters are in that room. So it's crazy that they just play in this little room, this cat and mouse, and you never know when he's gonna come out and when he's not. So it's just like very like it kept me on edge. I'm gonna go shallow for uh 1980. I definitely love this head on this glowing dance floor. It looked great, it really did.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:21

Um girl, that's not shallow, that's just straight up good taste.

SPEAKER_07 1:21:25

That's good taste, and I think I literally loved it because when you're looking in on IMBD and you're looking for Lou's character, that's the freaking photo that shows up. So I was confused because I was like looking on my phone, so I saw this like little thumbnail. I'm like, is that a head on a dance floor or like on some like why yes it is. And I literally still did not let that ruin the ending for me. I was just like, keep watching, and I loved that. And I think because I was missing all the gore and I got my little peek at it.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:54

I was really upset that they took his car to prom. Yeah. Wendy deserved better. Like her car was beautiful, but they they they took his car.

SPEAKER_07 1:22:02

She was trying to pull like a carry thing, I feel like.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:05

I don't know. It was it was truly upsetting for me when you know he's like outside like honking, and then she hops in that hunk of junk with the friends in the back.

SPEAKER_09 1:22:14

What else would you expect from him?

SPEAKER_02 1:22:15

Her car is beautiful. She should have driven.

SPEAKER_09 1:22:17

Yeah, but women don't drive Deprom in 1980.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:20

Wendy was a bad bitch, though. Yeah, she was strong and powerful, and she had a really nice car and told her mom whatever she thought.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:25

I mean she was also kind of a jerk, so I mean, let's not forget that. That's it.

SPEAKER_09 1:22:29

Yeah, you guys are showing a lot of praise here for Wendy, which was a pretty horrible person.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:34

Pretty horrible person.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:35

Okay, Wendy was the best She was the reason this all happened.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:39

Well, okay, maybe as a child. Yeah, okay. As a child, this was Wendy's fault. What was that game that they were?

SPEAKER_05 1:22:45

She was also toxic and manipulative and threatening to Jamie Lee Curtis.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:48

Listen, I'm just saying, runner up for my second favorite visual element of that movie was when Wendy is revealed in her prom look and just like smokes a cigarette in her living room. I was like, yes, Wendy, you look the best at prom. I actually got so bored that I started ranking the prom outfits, and Wendy was at the top of the list.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:04

Speak speaking of Wendy as a child though, um, my favorite, my favorite scene and favorite visuals, honestly, was the opening scene for the 1980. Because it's got such a such an interesting feel. It is, I mean, it's obviously shown to be dreamlike, but it does feel like a nightmare that you're watching. Because you know that something bad is going to happen, and they like keep pushing it towards like she's gonna fall out of this window, you know, when you get close to that and you like don't want it to happen because nobody wants to see a kid fall out of a window.

SPEAKER_09 1:23:34

Bro, the amount of times they screamed, the killer's coming, I was annoying. I was so annoyed. I was like, This is what I hate about this movie.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:44

It was annoying, but they were spicing up a classic game of hide and seek.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:47

But wait, can somebody explain to me the rules of that game? Because like they caught her and then just screamed kill at her for like 15 minutes and pushed her around?

SPEAKER_05 1:23:55

They're just being assholes to annoy us.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:58

Okay. Yeah, so basically, you know, they start out with one, and then that person, when they tag somebody else in, both of them have to hunt everyone else. Yeah. And so the idea being to eventually, you know, everybody becomes it at the end.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:11

So the game just like was over and they were just milking it and scared her out of window. Okay. Right.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:17

You know, people often trash this movie because, like, oh, this girl's 10 years old, you know, her bones have kind of set at this point. Like, kids get injured, she falls out of that window, she could probably survive that. But then people forget that the fucking window another window falls on her and like cuts her up real bad.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:34

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like the kids definitely called it early. They were like, Okay, we killed this girl, we're 10 years old, we need to make a death pact. No one can speak about this. But she might not even have been dead at that point.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:45

Yeah, like they could have helped her feasibly. That's the tragedy of Robin Hood.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:49

I mean, honestly, if that had happened, I would probably have been Team Wendy. I'd have been like, we can't tell anybody about this. We're 10. We don't know how laws work. They're gonna put us in jail.

SPEAKER_07 1:24:58

I thought they knew a lot for being 10. I was like, what the heck is going on here? I really like I I think that was the turning point for me where I was like, I wasn't sure how this movie was gonna go. I thought there was maybe going to be like a man that came in or something like that. I mean, I do appreciate like what they did in that first scene. I really did did like it, but I just was confused. I'm like, is there gonna be a guy that comes in and like kills these kids or like what? You know, there's always a guy. There's always a guy in a movie doing weird things.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:27

Not when it's I know what you did six summers ago, though.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:30

Yep. Big facts, big facts. And I let you guys in on my favorite part of this movie, which is actually my big conspiracy theory.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:38

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:38

Yes, please. Okay, so you have to bear with me for just a bit here. This movie for me is the alternate universe timeline of Lori Strode. I know Alex is looking at me like I'm crazy. So if we think back to the 1978 Halloween, there's a this idea of fate being a natural element. Like there's a classroom scene and they're kind of talking about it. And this whole idea that runs through Halloween is that Michael Myers and Lori are fated to always collide. Right? So fate never changes, and we can look at the major events here. This movie is like, what if Laurie was different? What if Michael Myers hadn't killed his sister? What if Lori wasn't adopted? What if Lori grew up in her family? Now, there are a couple details you'd have to ignore, right? So it's like obviously she's no longer the youngest, now she's the oldest, but she still has a brother, and the death of her sister still sparks this entire story. So when you look at it, it's like she was always fated, no matter what, to have a homicidal brother. Maybe that brother is more sympathetic. Maybe his murderous rampage comes from a place of love and tragic loss versus just being an unrelenting killing machine. But no matter what, Lori or Kim in this movie is always fated to meet that.

SPEAKER_07 1:26:58

Damn, I love that.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:01

It also goes a little bit further than that, right? So, like instead of Lori being set up with Ben Tramer in Halloween, we have her trying to set him up. And in this movie, he's kind of like the shy reserve person, similar to what Lori was. He's the brainiac. And then when you go past that, you also have the cop and the doctor in this movie, where the cop is trying to convince the doctor to take it seriously, and the doctor's like, no, no. That's a complete flip from Sheriff Brackett and Dr. Loomis. However, I will admit, all right, I'm not there's not an element of bias here. This only works because Jamie Lee Curtis plays both characters. If she hadn't, this would have been just a watered-down ripoff.

SPEAKER_07 1:27:38

That's it.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:39

But that's why I like this movie so much.

SPEAKER_07 1:27:41

I like that take.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:42

It's like fan fiction, but for horror movies.

SPEAKER_07 1:27:44

I know, I love it.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:45

It's so on brand.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:47

Speaking of fanfiction, one of my favorite scenes uh uh because there were so few in the 2008 version was when we had the killer and Idris Elba together in that interrogation room, uh, because they were both super cute together, and I was Just like let me see this spin-off of you two just playing cat and mouse.

SPEAKER_09 1:28:03

This was them just playing cat and mouse. We just accidentally there went into a prom room.

SPEAKER_07 1:28:08

We forgot Ashley Judd and Morgan Friedman.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:11

I did say that the 1980 version isn't without its flaws, and that is really rooted in Lou. I fucking hated Lou, hated Lou's unibrow, wasn't a fan of that. Seymour Crane, who was also slick. I just, you know what? He was shooting his shot, and I respect it, but he was also a massive creep. Also 10 years old. He was a child.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:33

He was like the Jonah Hill of this movie.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:35

He was but in only way only terrible ways. So that in itself has its issues, but I feel like it was magnified in the 2008 version where they just made some dudes in the movie trash to be trash for no reason. Like all those guys in the elevator, that moment offered nothing. That could have been a silent moment where he sees her and he's back in the corner. We did not need grown men hitting on children. Like that was unnecessary. But how about you guys? Was there anything in particular that said that was egregious or offensive in this?

SPEAKER_04 1:29:10

I mean, that scene specifically, I felt like can at least act as like a time capsule of just the world in 2008 when that kind of thing I guess was appropriate. I don't know. Still happens. Yeah, exactly. Um, but not without at least public shaming.

SPEAKER_09 1:29:27

Not unless it's on Twitter.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:29

For me, the worst part of the 2008 film was really just the whole script uh and the dialogue. But there were so many things that happened where I was just like, specifically with a dog, where I cringed or I laughed. Like at one point, Britney Snow and her boyfriend are talking about like, oh gosh, are we gonna be able to survive a long-distance relationship? And he says to her, he's like, Well, we've already survived some tough times already, haven't we? Like, just kind of like vaguely bringing up her mom and dad's death at the prom. Just like, well, we we made it through your parents dying. I was just like, dude, no. And then just the toxic relationship with that other girl who looked like Jojo and her boyfriend. I was just, you know, and when you're that age in high school, you do not know a damn thing. And they just really felt like they knew it all. But I guess at the time you you might.

SPEAKER_09 1:30:15

You might totally how people in high school act. You definitely act like you know everything, and like you know what's gonna happen, and like it's it's just a thing.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:25

Did we need that lesbian gym teacher?

SPEAKER_05 1:30:27

Are you assuming she's a lesbian because she was a gym teacher? No, they they make fun of her, like there's a joke about it. Yeah, it's unnecessary, and again, a snapshot of what being gay in 2008 is, and this woman probably isn't even, but she's complimenting Lisa, and like basically Lisa and Chrissy had a whole conflict, and she turns Lisa's dude, you really you really do look beautiful tonight. Like being a nice, like authoritative figure who like probably has a relationship with these kids, and then they just fucking make fun of her saying she's obsessed with you.

SPEAKER_09 1:30:54

Just gonna let the cat out of the bag here. That's also what teenagers do. Kids have things that they say about teachers behind their back a lot, whatever their interaction is, and it's usually inappropriate and wrong.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:06

When is it appropriate to make a joke about a teacher being obsessed with you when like the whole movie is about a teacher who is obsessed with someone who try who killed their whole family? Yeah, they didn't think about that.

SPEAKER_09 1:31:16

Literally never like address how much you would know a teacher that got like obsessed with you. Like the fact that it took people that long to recognize who he was really didn't make sense.

SPEAKER_07 1:31:27

There was no there was like development in certain aspects of the movie, but not enough. I think I think the 1980 version does it a little bit better, but yeah, there's no I wish there was a little bit more of a story.

SPEAKER_09 1:31:40

They would just say stuff, but it wasn't ever shown. Like they would just say he was a teacher, but then like it in in practice, it didn't appear that there was any true, like no them knowing each other, any relationships.

SPEAKER_07 1:31:51

Yeah, because they would have been like, Oh, that's Mr.

SPEAKER_09 1:31:53

So and so. Yeah, it would have been a thing, like a lot of kids would have recognized him, we're at prom. It's a whole thing. There's definitely some flaws.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:00

They're really relying on the fact that he no longer looked like Charles Manson to just suddenly bask him as a person.

SPEAKER_09 1:32:06

To be fair, I wouldn't have said yes, that man checked into this hotel either.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:09

Truly, though, putting on a baseball cap when you're balding is a technique that lots of gays like to employ, and it's like just leave on the hat. Because the moment he took that hat off, I was like, You're not hot anymore, sir. I'm done with this movie.

SPEAKER_09 1:32:20

I think that's just men. That is.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:22

But if you're like a bald guy that wears a hat every day, just always wear the hat. Don't shatter the illusion for me.

SPEAKER_09 1:32:27

Can I uh tell you a funny story?

SPEAKER_04 1:32:30

Yes.

SPEAKER_09 1:32:30

I once dated a man and I did not see the top of his head after until after a year and a half because he never didn't have something on his head.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:38

I'm at peace with that.

SPEAKER_09 1:32:39

Sleeping? Do rag all the time. And trust me, he should have kept the hat on.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:45

Ultimately, the reason that I've categorized the 2008 prom night as a steaming pile of horseshit is just how formulaic and predictable it was. It was like, oh, somebody goes up to the hotel room, then they get killed. Hey, Lisa went up to the hotel room. We should check on her, gets killed. Hey, where's my girlfriend? She's in the hotel room, gets killed. I was just like, we just kept going over this, and I was just, it wasn't exciting, it wasn't scary, it was just really boring and monotonous. The other thing about the 2008 that was just so bad to me was the reveal of her uh of Britney So's prom dress. Like they totally go for like the classic, like coming down the staircase to see your date in your parents scene, and it was so flat, and it was just like I'm thinking of like she's all that is horrible. Yeah, I'm thinking of all the iconic scenes where they've like the girl comes down the staircase and she's gorgeous and she has a beautiful dress, but like it was just so flat. The her dress was underwhelming, the date was just like the most milked toast man I've ever seen in my life. And his response was like, Oh, you're gorgeous. Let's go to prom now. Bye, parents. I was just so disappointed by that.

SPEAKER_09 1:33:53

It's so funny because I think a lot of the things that you hate about it are what makes this more believable than other teen movies that I see all the time.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:03

That being said, her like family's killing happened pretty close to this. So I feel like she probably would have like broken out in tears on her way down.

SPEAKER_09 1:34:11

Definitely. There's a lot of things that would have happened, but like the dialogue of just awkward, weird conversation, like not actually so like this is my thought about it. When you're walking down the steps in your prom dress, I don't think you really have the feeling that these like elegant movies give you. Like, I just don't think it happens. And your boyfriend in high school does not know how to compliment you and make you feel special.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:35

No, you're you're like basically programmed to say, Oh my gosh, you look beautiful, and then to struggle with the boot in here.

SPEAKER_09 1:34:41

Yeah, exactly. And then make the little corny joke about like pick like pricking him and stuff like I know it's lame, but life is lame when you're going to prompt, which is why Britney Snow is excellent in those parts.

SPEAKER_07 1:34:55

Not when she's trying to be terrified. Yes. Her scare face is not very good.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:59

Honestly, my boyfriend thought she was really good at acting when she was scared, and I was like, babe, she's just like pink and crying. But he was like, She and Idris Elba were great actors in this movie.

SPEAKER_09 1:35:09

When she's under the bed in the hotel and then turns to see her friend dead next to her, it was truly not good camera work, not good acting. Everything was bad because it was like the camera moved before she did, like it was just all a weird. There's definitely there's definitely moments where you're like, Have you ever seen a dead body? No, it's clear.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:30

How are you gonna crawl under a bed with a dead body and not realize there's a dead body next to you? Like, no way. And then with the mom dying, what pissed me off so much is the teacher's like killing the mom, and he's like, Where's that daughter of yours? And she's literally just like looking at Britney Snow, like directly at her, and she's like, I don't know, I don't know where she is, but I'm looking directly under this bed for some reason. I was like, Bitch, mom, stop looking at me. Look away. You're gonna get us both killed. And that's that on that.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:54

Ferris has very strong feelings.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:57

I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:57

No, it's okay, it's okay to feel how you feel. And those feelings equate to a slash for the 1980 and a hack for the 2008. We again, as a reminder, have scored evenly so far. So what we need to do now is actually compare these movies head to head. Quick lightning round, better visuals, rather these movies, 1980 or 2008?

SPEAKER_01 1:36:17

80.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:18

I guess 80. 80.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:20

1980.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:21

Nice clean sweep. How about the better story?

SPEAKER_01 1:36:23

80. Ooh, 1980.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:25

80. Can I hate them both? You know, which one's less haty? 2008. Okay, all right. And last but not least, better performances. I think I know where this is going. 80? There was a better one.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:37

Yes, 1980. I'm gonna say 2008 because of Vidris Elba.

SPEAKER_09 1:36:41

Oh, yeah, true. Uh yeah, yeah, never mind. No, no, no, no, no. 2008.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:44

He's an outlier though, like me.

SPEAKER_09 1:36:45

So I also liked Lisa, I also liked Ronnie, I also liked the DJ. He was pretty cool.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:53

They they didn't have a principle that you were waiting to make jokes the entire time who never made any.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:59

Correct, because I've never seen that and therefore Ned didn't feel that way. So we have two for 2008, and it sounds like three for 1980?

SPEAKER_04 1:37:05

Yeah, that sounds right.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:06

Perfect. All right, then 1980 makes a clean sweep. It is still the superior prom night, despite both of these movies ranking evenly. Now, Mac, do you have any factor fiction for us?

SPEAKER_02 1:37:17

Let's see if I can throw a couple at you. So uh Prom Knight, 1980, was originally going to be given a score of PG. Fact. It seemed light on Gore.

SPEAKER_09 1:37:27

In 1980, would PG be like a cartoon?

SPEAKER_07 1:37:31

I feel like I don't even know if they had those in 80, but I'm just gonna say fiction. Fiction. Fact.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:36

It is indeed a fact. They may not know this, but the PG-13 rating has not been around as long as all the other ratings. So I think if it had it been made later, it probably would have maybe scored a PG 13. Um you know. But anyway, they had to add violence to make this an R-rated film because it was really light on it. I think it still is really light on it. Uh, but they didn't think a PG film was going to get the audience that they wanted. And I think we agreed that it's probably in my mind it's PG 13 looking back at it.

SPEAKER_09 1:38:07

Aside from the random joint.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:09

That's true. That's just having a good time right there. Next up, Prom Night 2008 has an unrated version available that jumps from PG 13 to NC17.

SPEAKER_07 1:38:20

God, I should have went with that one because I did see that and I was like, um, let me just pick the that would have been great.

SPEAKER_09 1:38:28

That would have been a great review.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:30

Honestly, I did get the un the unrated version because I had both. Um, it was one minute longer. I it didn't say that the rating changed, it just said unrated, so I don't know if this is fact or fiction. Uh fact?

SPEAKER_09 1:38:43

I think Alexis told us it was a fact.

SPEAKER_08 1:38:45

Fact.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:46

I know this this is probably a dumb move for me. I'm gonna go fiction on the grounds that it's unrated and therefore would not be an NC17.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:52

Yeah. Oh my god, you're right. So I'm I'm not gonna I'm not gonna play semantics and go for that point, but there is the unrated version. The content of that extra minute you get would still be rated PG 13, though.

SPEAKER_09 1:39:05

Oh my god, what the hell? What's the point? Exactly. I hate you the most. Because in 2008 they made an unrated version of everything.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:39:12

That was just like what they did because it sells a horror movie.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:14

Did it say what was different?

SPEAKER_02 1:39:16

Um, so they I think they they focused more on some of the kills. They showed them to kind of be more, I don't know, like more serious and more insidious, but in reality, uh, I don't think anything was really that kind of gory, even in the unrated version.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:31

I'm actually thinking it was probably the housekeeper kill because that was actually really graphic and rough, and I was like, that woman didn't deserve this.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:37

Prom night 2008. So although both of them were cast as high school seniors, Britney Snow, Donna, is actually several years older than Scott Porter, Bobby.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:46

Fact. Fiction.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:48

Fact. She's a hundred years old.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:50

I'm gonna go that he's older than her.

SPEAKER_09 1:39:52

I'll go fiction also.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:54

It is indeed fiction. So Scott Porter was twenty-nine when this movie was released, and Britney Snow was only twenty-two because she's my age.

SPEAKER_09 1:40:03

I'm happened to be looking at a photo of the cast before you asked that, and he definitely looks older.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:08

So anytime that you think I'm really old in comparison to everyone else here, just remember I'm the same age as Britney Snow. A hundred years old?

SPEAKER_09 1:40:14

That doesn't change how I feel.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:15

So you're saying there's a chance. Switch Gears 1980 again. So Prime Knight 1980 scored better reviews than Friday the 13th, released the same year.

SPEAKER_08 1:40:24

Fact. Probably fact.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:26

Um Fiction.

SPEAKER_08 1:40:28

Fiction.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:29

It's actually fact. They got better reviews, but which one has everyone heard of? Friday the 13th. Indeed. Which is pretty wild to me.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:36

It's because of the distribution deal it got. Friday the 13th opened to a wider audience than Prom Night.

SPEAKER_06 1:40:42

Hmm.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:43

So that disco scene that we all know and we all love. All of us, Ryan, love that disco scene, just to let you know that. Unanimously, it was recorded using hit songs that were too expensive to license. So the composer, Paul Zaza or Zaza, had to record similar yet not too similar songs in five days.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:00

Fact.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:01

I'm absolutely saying fact because I got so many vibes from other great disco songs.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:05

Fact. Fact.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:06

It's a fact. That is kind of funny to me though to imagine like you you initially record this using some like actual hit songs, and then you're like, well, they can't be too different because they're already dancing to them. So you have less than a week to make this happen for us. And they did it.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:20

His instruction was make it so close that they want to sue me, but I'll win. He still got sued.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:26

And the songs still slap. That's amazing.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:29

I think they did a great job with it, though. I actually was like listening to it, I was like, these are really good songs that I feel like I've heard them before, but I haven't. So yeah, mission accomplished.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:36

I have listened to several of them on repeat since I watched the movie yesterday.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:41

Much better than Graduation Day in 1981.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:44

Let's talk about prom in general. As of 2015, the average prom attendee spends nearly a thousand dollars on everything for prom tickets, clothing, accessories, transportation, all that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_09 1:41:56

At least fiction too low. Is this price or right? It's it's not I think it dresses like 700. Yeah, tickets are expensive. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:04

My text was like a hundred bucks.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:06

Honestly, prom culture is ridiculous. It's like wedding culture, you know, they try to gouge you at every corner. So I'm gonna say fact.

SPEAKER_05 1:42:12

Fiction, because I think it's higher. I'm just gonna say fiction because I'm out of touch with all that shit and think $1,000 is ridiculous for any child to spend.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:19

Yeah, it's a fact. So Visa did a survey on this and found out that the average was about $919. Wow.

SPEAKER_07 1:42:27

Killed. So that was five years ago.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:29

Obviously, this year it's about zero, but it's overpriced. Everything's overpriced. Yeah, I mean, because think about all the stuff that I don't care about. Like I don't want to get a limo. You know, I don't need accessories. I had a I had a Tux and I had the little flower thing and I was done. The flower thing's like 80 bucks. But that's all I have for fact or fiction.

SPEAKER_05 1:42:47

All right. Well, thank you for educating us on prom. I uh did not realize that that show was so expensive. Oh yeah. Clearly I had a cheap ass dress. Mine was free. Alright, folks. Well, we have been on quite the journey for prom night. These movies scored evenly in terms of being a hacker or slash. Majority rules that the 1980 version made a clean sweep in terms of visuals, story, and performances. And conveniently enough, you can find that 1980 version streaming on Shudder. Uh, Paris mentioned that he found this movie on Tubi as well, so if you want to pay nothing, that is an option for you. We want to know what you think about both of these movies, and there are plenty of ways that you can reach out to us first at our website, hackerslash.com, and on our social media accounts on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter.

SPEAKER_09 1:43:31

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SPEAKER_02 1:43:39

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SPEAKER_04 1:43:45

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SPEAKER_05 1:43:55

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unknown 1:44:01

Bye.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:02

Prom Nye. Everything is alright.