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Most likely to show nip.

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Whether it be a full what greetings and salutations and welcome to the 100th episode of Hacker Slash. If you're joining us again, welcome back. We've been on quite the journey together. But if this is your first time listening, welcome to the party. We are a horror movie review podcast typically dedicated to telling you whether a movie is a hack, a total joke, a waste of time, or a splash.

SPEAKER_00 0:33

Totally killer, pun intended.

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My name is Chris. I'm your friendly neighborhood slasher enthusiast, and joining me this week on this very special episode are the Superfly Space Guy Mac.

SPEAKER_00 0:42

Happy 100!

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The Gore Lover Alexis. Hey everyone! The Cowardly Creeper Ryan. It feels lame if I just say Haya. And the Scream Queen Paris.

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Insert quip here.

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Now fret not, dear friends. We'll be back on Friday with a normal movie review episode, but for our 100th episode, we wanted to just have a little bit of fun. We have some listener questions to answer, and we're also going to play a little game Paris came up with. Paris, what is that game?

SPEAKER_02 1:08

It's called Slasher Superlatives.

SPEAKER_05 1:10

Oh, I love it. Now, before we get there, we do have a bit of exciting news.

SPEAKER_02 1:15

Yeah, so last fall, our boy Page, the resident automatonophobiac, announced he had to step away for a little bit just to focus on some things in his life. Um, but the good news is that he's right on schedule for a return and he's actually gonna be rejoining the team again. Peege is gonna be helping us out with our Patreon content, and he's also gonna be rotating in on future episodes.

SPEAKER_05 1:33

So excited to have him back. I know he's always passionate about the show, and he's always passionate about the future that we have ahead of us. Paris, I know you haven't met him, but you're gonna love him. He's a great guy.

SPEAKER_02 1:44

I can't wait.

SPEAKER_05 1:45

He's super great.

SPEAKER_04 1:46

Also, I'm sure I've scared him a few times on here with some of the stuff I've said. But oh, that's all I love him dearly. I love him dearly, and I know he loves me, so we're all good. He's the wholesome part of our podcast. He honestly is. He really is.

SPEAKER_00 2:00

That's okay. When he returns, we're just gonna have a couple like puppets sitting out here just to welcome him.

SPEAKER_04 2:05

Oh my gosh. No, thank you.

SPEAKER_05 2:07

I'm gonna get an Annabelle doll. We're gonna scare the shit out of this guy. All right, folks. Let's go ahead and get into some of these listener questions. Now, we asked all of our listeners, hey, what do you have for us? You guys reached out to us via email, via social media, via our hackerslash hotline, and we have quite the list. So, your first question, I know it's a sizzling one. What would make a horror movie legitimately scary?

SPEAKER_04 2:31

If I were Mac, I'd say nothing. Uh nothing is scary. Of course, always. Mac still has to have an answer. He can't cheap out of it. You can't. You can't. You've done that week after week. You cannot do that on this episode. In my opinion, um, I'm all like about a really good, creative-looking, scary uh uh antagonist. And also, like, you guys hear me talk about it not on a hundred episodes, probably 80. Um, but anything that's like real life, like horror. Like, I'm just like, you know, violence against people, like anything that could happen, like a home invasion, like all that kind of stuff. And you guys heard me say, I like using horror to escape from reality. And so when the reality comes into the horror, I'm like, no, no, no, this isn't that why I'm watching it. Like, sorry, I just need a little break from everyday horror.

SPEAKER_03 3:21

So I agree with you about like the the real life horrors, but then also I don't want to watch a movie with real life horrors, so it's like complicated, you know, because it's like that sounds really confusing.

SPEAKER_05 3:32

It's effective.

SPEAKER_03 3:33

Yeah, it's too effective. I don't want to be free afraid in that way. Um, but it's pretty similar for me. I think like I look, let's be real. Jumps are scary, okay? If we're if we're being honest in these movies, I like gross stuff and I like jumps. And and and that's how it is. I I would be afraid of real life situations the most, but I don't want them. So you can keep them. I'm good.

SPEAKER_05 3:56

And that's why crawl got you so many times in the movie theater.

SPEAKER_04 3:58

Yo, Apex Predator, man. Come on. Just watching, just watching that and thinking about you too a few weeks ago. You rewatched Crawl? Yeah, because I got my boyfriend in it. I I thought it was great. Wow. She didn't think it was so great.

SPEAKER_03 4:11

That was all of our first dates with Ryan. Yeah, it was. Very true. Me and Alexis had a great time.

SPEAKER_00 4:17

I uh legitimately scary would be footage of me that I didn't know about. If I went into a movie theater, that's a good one. The movie started rolling, and there was like an overhead shot of me, I'm freaked out. Legitimately scared to go home. So I think that's like the level that it would take. So nobody do that ever.

SPEAKER_04 4:35

Oh my god, we're totally playing that on you next week. No one's gonna be here. It's the best answer I've ever heard.

SPEAKER_00 4:40

Yeah, if I walk in here like next week, you open the door, but you're not there when I come in and no one's here, and I look in the TV and it's me, I'll never come back. That's just how this works.

SPEAKER_02 4:52

That would honestly be so scary.

SPEAKER_04 4:54

It would.

SPEAKER_02 4:55

Uh for me, it would just have to be like for something to be really scary, it has to be plausible and I have to have some kind of personal connection to it. Like you guys always say, like, Am I gonna lock my doors after watching this movie? So for me, it's like like the purge was so scary because people could decide to do that one day. Um, and I don't want that to happen, and I don't want to be near it if it does. Uh, but yeah, so it just needs to be something that could potentially threaten my own well-being in my actual life.

SPEAKER_05 5:24

Oh, that's good. That's good. And I feel like I mean I feel a similar way. I think there has to be some real stakes there. Um, my favorite type of horror is what's grounded in reality. But here's what I think would actually really, really truly scare me. Because I feel like I'm kind of numb to things at this point in my life. You live for 30 years, you watch a bunch of horror movies, you get to that point. But I would love to see a VR horror movie that somehow places you inside of it, but it still plays out.

SPEAKER_03 5:54

No, thank you.

SPEAKER_05 5:55

No, thank you. Yeah, so I tried a VR game. You know, for those who have been with us all 100 episodes, we used to have Dan and Lee on the show. Dan had a VR game where you put on the headset and you had to navigate through an empty house, essentially, and there were sounds, and like there's just darkness, like all you have is a flashlight, but you can't always have the flashlight, like sometimes you had to like shake it to turn it back on. I hate that, and sometimes you turn around and something would just get you. And that was terrifying. Nope. If I can see a horror movie like that without having like the plot progression of a game, I'd be really interested to see that.

SPEAKER_02 6:32

Have you seen that episode of Black Mirror where they like have this guy test out that video game?

SPEAKER_04 6:36

I have, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 6:37

That would be we're in the new version of that.

SPEAKER_04 6:40

FYI, season uh what, four?

SPEAKER_05 6:43

We're in it. Welcome to 2020. All right, folks. Now that was a nice way to start things off, but let's get into the next question, which I don't know if Alexis is gonna have an answer to, but it's how much gore is too much gore.

SPEAKER_00 6:59

This one is easy for me because we've experienced it. And that's anytime you're showing someone get cut from groined ahead with a hacksaw, it's too much gore.

SPEAKER_03 7:10

Hot dog style cuts too much. It's too much. Anytime you're doing a hot dog style cut, we could we could have all said terrifier on three.

SPEAKER_00 7:16

Right. But it wasn't too much for Alexa, so true. But it's too much, it's that's too much. When you, you know, that's like that's the tipping point. That's when you've gone too too far for me.

SPEAKER_04 7:26

See, I just think like terrifier, like it's just not pla I mean it's it's it's implausible. Like, which I get. And I think sometimes I mean, you know, you guys know I continued my I'm trying to still continue my saw journey, uh got to five, then I had nightmares, so I had to stop for a little bit. But I I there is a fine line for me. Yeah. And it would definitely have to be, I feel feel like, you know, Chris and I will sometimes debate on like what kind of like movies we want to do. And I'm like, okay, let's go for something hard. And I like threw up through out cannibal holocaust, and she was like, Yeah, just look up the images. And I looked it up and I was like, Yeah, I'm good. Actually, I never want to see something like that in my life. So I think when it's like I get there's like this torture horror, like there's that part, but I'm like, okay, it's Saul, like it's entertainment, there's suspense behind it. But when a movie is solely based on the like torture of someone, like there's no plot, there's no nothing, I think that's that's a little too much gore. Like you need to have a storyline, and then you're good. It becomes like an exploitation film. Exactly. And I'm not all about that.

SPEAKER_02 8:34

I feel like for me, gore has to be used as like punctuation. Um, it has to just like it's almost like seasoning in something. You have to use it carefully because you can overdo it. But if you get the balance just right, it makes it perfect.

SPEAKER_03 8:48

And white people don't use enough of it. I agree.

SPEAKER_02 8:52

Facts. But yeah, it just has to be like, you know, it has to, it has to have a point and it has to have an impact. So just like it's like an exclamation point. You don't want to overuse them like in a tweet.

SPEAKER_03 9:02

I agree. I think for me, I think the obvious answer is terrifier. We've talked about that so much on the show. Um, I did because I feel like I haven't seen a all of the horror movies. I asked my boyfriend the question, and he said Night of the Living Dead was too much. But I was wondering if that I got human centipede when I asked mine.

SPEAKER_04 9:24

Really? I never made through like the first scene when I knew the idea. I was like, bye.

SPEAKER_03 9:28

Yeah, I've never seen that. Have does do any of you have feelings about Night of the Living Dead as far as gore? No, I mean that was totally chill.

SPEAKER_01 9:35

Not too much. No thango nada.

SPEAKER_03 9:37

Yeah, it's like a zombie movie. Like I expect gore in zombie movies. Yeah, I don't know. He said it was the first thing that came to mind. So I thought that was interesting.

SPEAKER_05 9:45

I feel that. I feel the hot dog style cut because that was that was something to look at. To be fair, he hasn't seen the hot dog cut, so he that would win, I'm sure. Just film a clip and see what he thinks.

SPEAKER_00 9:57

You're gonna scar him for life.

SPEAKER_05 9:58

Yeah, don't show him. That man is too pure. Leave him alone. He is innocent of anything. Too much gore for me is in the likes of like what we see in the later Saw movies. That, like, for me to just watch a movie and enjoy it, that's too much for me. But I still respect it. I get what it is. The threshold of truly too much gore that seems unnecessary to me. The 2007 Halloween remake. Okay. I can see that.

SPEAKER_04 10:27

Because that's not what Michael Myers is.

SPEAKER_05 10:29

What right? Like the amount of gore that's in that, and then like there's a rape scene in there in like the extended cut. Yeah. Unnecessary.

SPEAKER_02 10:38

Oh, in the extended cut. I was gonna say I thought I saw that in theaters and I don't remember that.

SPEAKER_05 10:41

Yeah, yeah. Watch it. It's uncomfortable at best. But we're gonna go in a different direction now that I bring up the remake of things. What do you feel is the best horror remake you've seen?

SPEAKER_00 10:53

This was a tough one because most of them are pretty bad. But I feel like most remakes are are are mostly bad. I actually think the House of Wax remake, though, was one of the best ones, at least one of the best ones that we've covered.

SPEAKER_03 11:05

Okay. I like that. Y'all know I like that movie. I also had that thought. I actually had a harder time coming up with a worse remake only because there's so many. What? Oh I am really into Amineyville. We haven't really talked about that. And I really enjoyed the remake, and I saw the re the remake much before I saw the original. And I know there's like a lot of like sequence, uh, there's a lot of sequels and stuff happening with that series, but that's a remake that I really like.

SPEAKER_02 11:34

Plus like Ryan Reynolds in those pajama bottoms with that axe.

SPEAKER_03 11:37

Yeah, not something I had considered, but yep.

SPEAKER_02 11:39

Oh that's exactly what I thought of. Um I actually I kind of split my vote. I'm I'm torn between two of them. Susperia is like honorable mention because I loved the ending and I loved a few things about it a lot more than the original, but overall, I can't say it's the best remake. So the number one spot for me goes to actually carry. Uh Ryan, I remember last week you said you hadn't seen this movie, but I love the remake so much because it brings together Chloe Grace Moretz and Julianne Moore, and they are both just like giving performances of their lifetime in that remake. So if you haven't seen that and you like Carrie, watch that version of it.

SPEAKER_04 12:14

I will take your word. I haven't seen it, but I when I was like fumbling through remakes and movies, I heard that was on the worst list. But it I guess it's all yeah. Paris does not follow the rules of the world. Yes, we know it does not. Always opposite.

SPEAKER_03 12:30

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 12:31

Listen, I like what I like.

SPEAKER_04 12:33

Well, that's funny that you mentioned Suspiria because I actually put that on my uh like favorite remakes, along with House of Wax. I think House of Wax, I was like, like, I'm not gonna like this movie or whatever, but I really enjoyed it. But Suspiria, I think I just love the like moment I'm in. I love Dakota Johnson in it, and it's great. It's great.

SPEAKER_03 12:52

As a note, like the old House of Wax was so not good that it had to be a great remake. You know what I'm saying? I loved it. I know that I'm the only one that feels that way, but I'll stand by that. Chris, what do you think is the best remake?

SPEAKER_04 13:07

I said Halloween, but I know that's not the case at all.

SPEAKER_02 13:10

I think she's gonna pick Black Christmas.

SPEAKER_03 13:12

No, no, no, no, it's the other one. I like how we just don't let her talk and we just give our Well, what do you think? The whole podcast, just so you guys know, is just about if we can figure out what Chris is thinking before she says it. That's the whole game. I think not Black Christmas, although I know she loved Black Christmas, but what was the other one?

SPEAKER_05 13:31

There was it, Child's Play, Pet Cemetery.

SPEAKER_03 13:35

I feel like we reviewed it at the end of last year, is what I'm thinking of, but I can't think of what it is. But I might just be wrong. I might actually just be thinking of Black Christmas.

SPEAKER_02 13:43

Oh, Chris, we're dying here. What is it?

SPEAKER_05 13:45

So this is a very specific question for me because I want to automatically eliminate all reboots. Sometimes people look at like you know, newer movies that come out. So, like Friday the 13th example, reboot. What's your guess, Alexis? My bloody Valentine?

SPEAKER_02 14:02

No way.

SPEAKER_05 14:02

The Town That Joded Sundown. Another good question. Um I'm close. So Halloween 2018, another reboot, right? My favorite remake is actually the Texas Chainsaw Massacre. What? Yeah, because I did not, I respect how iconic the original uh the original Texas Chainsaw Massacre is, right? I get it, but it's also not my cup of tea. There's the dinner scene with like grandpa and like all the all the screaming and everybody's so sweaty and Franklin's annoying, and it's just it's not my cup of tea. The remake with Jessica Beale made me like the Texas Chainsaw Massacre, and I thought it was just so well done. That's insane. I thought you hated all of them.

SPEAKER_04 14:46

Yeah. I didn't know I like the remake. I think I didn't, I hadn't listened to that episode, and I wasn't on it.

SPEAKER_05 14:53

So that was the episode before Alexis joined the team.

unknown 14:57

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 14:58

I think every time I hear her talk trash about Texas Chainsaw, I just assume it's the most recent one. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_05 15:04

There is a particular way that they show a death in the very beginning that kind of kicks everything off that I really loved. And then there is the way that they kind of pull at your heartstrings with like some of the relationships with certain characters that wasn't really present in the first movie outside of Franklin and his sister's like relationship. So I really enjoyed it.

SPEAKER_03 15:24

I thought it was a quality remake. Is the first one that you're referring to, the first death? Is that the one related to transportation? Yes. So good, so iconic. Amazing.

SPEAKER_02 15:35

I don't remember either.

SPEAKER_05 15:36

So uncomfortable. But now I want to go watch it again. But let's let's flip the script over here. The worst remake. And I know I know we've been asked, we were asked this in the past, and I definitely answered that as the 2007 Halloween. So I'm gonna go second worst remake, and that's gonna be a tie for me. It's the most disrespectful remake, right? It's gonna be Psycho from 1998. You took mine. That's okay. I'll let you elaborate on it. My backup is a nightmare on Elm Street 2010.

SPEAKER_04 16:08

Ooh, burn. Yeah. How dare you? How dare you?

SPEAKER_02 16:12

I still want to see that.

SPEAKER_04 16:14

Worst? It's still good. It's not the worst remake ever. It is not the worst remake.

SPEAKER_05 16:18

It's not even the worst remake we've reviewed. No, it's certainly not the worst remake ever. However, the worst remake ever is the 2007 Halloween. So I'm like working my way down the list. Yeah, good point. The ones I dislike, they're worse in my opinion for things that I dislike.

SPEAKER_02 16:33

I'll go. You guys, prom night. We just watched this. The remake was literally a lie. And it was a steaming pile of shit.

SPEAKER_03 16:41

But if you hate both, it's not really like the worst remake.

SPEAKER_02 16:44

I didn't hate the original. Oh, okay. I see what you're saying now.

SPEAKER_04 16:49

I think I speak for everyone here, except for one. And I'm gonna say uh psycho, because literally was watching the same movie with updated characters. So literally a total joke waste of time. And Vince Vaughn is shitting in it.

SPEAKER_00 17:03

Ew.

SPEAKER_05 17:04

He needs to say to like masturbating Vince Vaughn is not something we need to see.

SPEAKER_00 17:09

When you get to that scene though, make sure closed captioning is turned on. Because they like describe it in a really hilarious way. I don't even remember the words that they chose, but it's funny.

SPEAKER_04 17:19

Fapping.

SPEAKER_00 17:23

That that movie Psycho was pretty was pretty bad. It was so bad. It's like, why did why Vince Vaughn, why did you think this was gonna be a good idea for your career? But I don't think it's the worst remake. I think the made-for-tv version, the little three-part special of the shining was the worst remake. It was trash. It was so bad. Because the original Shining, in my opinion, is amazing. And I know there's a lot of people that disagree, but the movie is is just it's a masterpiece. And then to like see that movie and then see this like really badly made like TV version with like really bad effects and stuff going on, it was just a disgrace. Yeah, it's it's not good. I wish it had gone the other way around, you know. I wish they had tried like to make a made for TV version first, and then suddenly decades later, an amazing theatrical release comes out that is way better, kind of like it. That would have been okay. Although I love the TV version of it, it's it's fantastic.

SPEAKER_03 18:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:20

But no, the shining, made for TV, not not recommended. I think it's the worst remake.

SPEAKER_03 18:26

I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna lie to you guys. I don't have a solid answer for this question. I think there's like a lot of remakes that suck, but like what is the worst? And the other thing is a lot of these remakes that they're like, okay, so we were doing some research, looking through lists and stuff online, and a lot of movies that I love are on all these lists. Same thing. Like the movies that we just talked about, like House of Wax, the remake is on the worst list, um, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, like all these different things. So, you know, I I'm gonna sit out of this one. I don't have a good solid answer here.

SPEAKER_00 18:58

I would say if you had seen Evil Dead, you could say it was one of the one of the worst remakes simply because it didn't need to happen.

SPEAKER_04 19:03

The newer one?

SPEAKER_00 19:04

Yeah, I didn't watch it, it just didn't need to happen. It was good, it was good. I didn't say it was a bad movie, but I don't know why they remade it.

SPEAKER_04 19:09

But I also thought Thirteen Ghosts was good.

SPEAKER_03 19:11

So that's another that's on the list. But I didn't see the original, so I can't really like consider that.

SPEAKER_05 19:18

Look, here's the thing, guys. I think we all get at least that one movie that's highly questionable where it just discredits our opinions on a lot of things. It's fine, it's okay. I completely forgot that on my list of best remakes is uh fucking Dawn of the Dead. Um yeah. I I guess I've never seen the original, so that's why. No, that's that's a solid remake. But what do we think about Sean of the Dead? I'm just kidding. Also brilliant.

SPEAKER_02 19:46

Yeah, that's actually I always get those two confused. I never know what anyone's talking about.

SPEAKER_05 19:50

Sean of the Dead is also great. We have a next uh question coming up here, and maybe this will make things a little bit easier for you, Ryan. Uh, I think we might all have a similar answer for this one. I know this question comes to us from Greg because Greg and I bonded long ago when the show first started about my particular distaste for The Shining. So sorry, Mac. He asks, What is the worst horror movie and why is it The Shining? So pissed at that.

SPEAKER_03 20:14

I know I don't agree.

SPEAKER_04 20:16

I'm so pissed.

SPEAKER_03 20:17

I love The Shining. I do too. It's slow, but I think it's a slow burn, but it's good. It's you witness a man going insane. Yeah. It's meant to be slow.

SPEAKER_02 20:26

I've never seen The Shining. What?

SPEAKER_03 20:29

You should read the book.

SPEAKER_02 20:30

I'm not reading the book.

SPEAKER_03 20:31

Back to the question, ignoring the second half about The Shining. The worst movie is The Blair Witch Project. What? Wow, I cannot believe I didn't hate that. Truly. A truly, a true hate in my heart for this. Are you kidding me?

SPEAKER_04 20:44

You must have watched it like later in your life.

SPEAKER_03 20:46

No, watched it when I was like in like middle high school, but it was just the corniest thing I've ever seen in my entire existence.

SPEAKER_05 20:55

I am deeply concerned that you did not just say Thankskilling.

SPEAKER_03 20:59

Okay, no, no, no, no, no. To be fair, Thanksgiving is Thankskilling is what I wrote down. But is that even a horror movie? Like, does that count? It's a joke, like it's an internet thing, I feel like. I mean, it's a movie. I get it. Uh, it's definitely Thanksgiving, but also I this just occurred to me right now. The Blair Witch Project sucks.

SPEAKER_00 21:16

But which one was more entertaining?

SPEAKER_03 21:17

The Thankskilling was more entertaining. The Blair Witch Project was very dark, very dumb. Blair Witch Project 2 is very dumb.

SPEAKER_04 21:26

Address that. So I'm I'm torn between two. One isn't necessarily a horror movie, um, but I watched it like probably a few months ago, and my boyfriend came down. He's like, that movie sucks. And I was like, let me get through it. It's Mark Wahlberg. It's called The Happening. Yeah. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 21:42

I was thinking of that as for my answer. That's like a thriller, right? It's like suspense.

SPEAKER_04 21:46

So that's why I was like, maybe it's not a horror movie. It is.

SPEAKER_05 21:49

It really is.

SPEAKER_00 21:50

No, it's a horror movie.

SPEAKER_05 21:51

Yeah, it's labeled under horror. You don't like it when trees kill people? Yeah. Mother Nature bites back.

SPEAKER_00 21:56

Yeah. So basically the South during uh, you know, during springtime with all the pollen. Is out.

SPEAKER_04 22:00

Yes, pretty much. Like right now. Um, and then I think m but my other one would be like the recent grudge reboot. Cause I think I came out during like the hype, the hype of the ring, the hype of the grudge. I got watch these in theaters with my friends when I was like 14 or 15, like I loved it. And so I was like really excited for something good. And no kidding, they took the same exact movie and placed it in America. And I was so freaking disappointed. So for that, that gets what visually kind of cool, but still one of the worst movies I've seen.

SPEAKER_02 22:32

Alexis, since you since you already mentioned the happening, I'm gonna go with my other M. Night Shyamalan take, which is The Village. Have you guys seen The Village? Yes, and it was great.

SPEAKER_04 22:42

I did enjoy The Village. I liked it too. I don't know why everyone jokes on this movie.

SPEAKER_02 22:47

Okay, so my mom and I we love M. Night Shyamalan. Um, and we saw the trailer for that movie, so we were super excited, and we were looking at it, and we were like, what if it's just like because we lived in Lancaster, Pennsylvania at the time, and we're like, what if it's just like Amish people that are like afraid of society? And we were like joking, and then we went to see the movie, and then it was basically that. And we were so underwhelmed and so disappointed, and I just can't watch it anymore. I'm just like, this is for me. That was when M. Night Shyamalan, like, really, you know, he went off the deep end and kind of lost a lot of the hype that he had built in his horror career. And then the happening happened, and it just got worse.

SPEAKER_05 23:18

That explains why we have the question: how does everyone feel about being duped by M. Night Shyamalan and the shitty films he made after the Sixth Sense and Signs?

SPEAKER_02 23:26

That question came from my mom.

SPEAKER_04 23:28

Um, I I do understand where she's coming from. Signs though, I mean, signs is good.

SPEAKER_00 23:34

Signs was so good. Yeah, Signs was included. That's one of the good ones.

SPEAKER_04 23:37

Oh, okay. My bad, my bad.

SPEAKER_00 23:38

Yeah, I'm a fan, I'm a fan of him aside from the happening. What about the visit? Did you see that? I didn't see the visit.

SPEAKER_03 23:46

I'm annoyed by how many movies he has that just have one-word titles.

SPEAKER_00 23:49

So it's a bee in them, right?

SPEAKER_03 23:51

Uh some uh sometimes, but basically always one word, give or take a.

SPEAKER_00 23:55

Yeah. All right. So The Shining is obviously not the worst horror movie ever made because it's amazing. So if I had to pick one, I would love to, you know, just dump further on Thanksgiving. Because it's trash and uh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 24:07

Anytime you get a chance.

SPEAKER_00 24:09

Absolutely. Why not take the opportunity to say what a trash movie it is?

SPEAKER_05 24:12

I'd like to uh take this opportunity for worst horror movie. Obviously, it's Thanksgiving, so I won't I won't beat a dead horse there or a dead bird, but I will amend an answer that is one of what I think is the worst horror movies, but also one of the worst remakes ever made. I can't believe I forgot about this. The 2006 Black Christmas.

SPEAKER_02 24:32

Oh, yeah, you do hate that one. It's the only one I've seen.

SPEAKER_05 24:35

So in the original Black Christmas, there's like this mysterious killer inside the house, right? And this movie plays on the idea that uh the original writer had as a backstory, but there's a lot of child molestation, incest, eyeball eating, uh, jaundice, like the killer is yellow. Uh it is just a fucking wild movie that's also a disservice to the Black Christmas title.

SPEAKER_02 25:03

And Gretchen Wieners is in it.

SPEAKER_05 25:04

Which is one of the only redeeming parts about it.

SPEAKER_02 25:06

It's the only reason I went to see it.

SPEAKER_05 25:08

So let's take things in a more positive direction here. Let's take a walk down memory lane and think back to how we got our origin story. This question is a little bit of a two-parter, comes from two different listeners. But let's consider which horror movie scared you the most? And subsequently, unless it's the same movie, which movie brought each of us to be the horror fans we are?

SPEAKER_03 25:30

So this question is super easy for me. Um, the scary movie that just like sat with me, and I know that mostly it has to do with the timing in my life that I saw it, is the ring. Like, I couldn't I I think for like 10 years, I wouldn't be in a room that was had the TV off. And if there was white noise on the TV, there's no way I'm staying in that house. Um, it ruined me. It ruined me like even with things that maybe didn't even have anything to do with the movie, like keeping the shower curtain open. Like everywhere I go, if I've been in your house in the past 15 years, I've opened your shower curtain, just so you all know. Um, it's like that is the movie that just ruined me. And as far as like what made me become the horror fan that I am, because I don't necessarily think that that's it. Um, I think Final Destination had a big play in that. I loved that series. Yes, I was the perfect age for it when it came out, and I was like sneaking in to see R-rated movies and stuff. Um I I have a hard time picking one specific point where I became a horror movie fan, but I think that had a big play in it.

SPEAKER_00 26:34

First of all, I don't think it's weird to open shower curtains because it I don't know why they're so freaky, but when you walk into a bathroom and there's just like void of unknown, you just you're like, I need I need to know that no one's back there waiting.

SPEAKER_03 26:48

But like you've been in the house, like I've never closed mine.

SPEAKER_00 26:51

I open my own shower curtain up. Yeah. Sometimes you're just kind of like real quick.

SPEAKER_03 26:55

It's ridiculous. And then what would we do if somebody was in there? Or have okay, have you ever been so paranoid that you thought as you open it and look in, someone's sneaking out and then they go back in when you close it? No? Okay, like taking out the other side.

SPEAKER_04 27:08

When I've gone into the shower, yeah. I I've thought about that. You've ever been like, is somebody also snapping out at the same time? I definitely thought about that.

SPEAKER_03 27:14

That's a different level of terror.

SPEAKER_00 27:15

Uh, definitely American Horror Story season one, I think, has like something happening with a shower and a shower curtain and someone's in there, and yeah, it's not good.

SPEAKER_03 27:24

No magusta.

SPEAKER_00 27:25

I like that it's like mostly modern movies that you've quoted. To me, they're modern because I'm old or whatever. But when I was younger and saw The Exorcist, that definitely freaked me out the most. Especially if you have like any sort of Catholic upbringing. And like when you're when you're like a preteen or a teen, you're like, oh, this is so real. It's gonna happen one day, man. Um, but it's not the one that made me into who I am. I this one is not even a horror movie, and I've mentioned it before, but E.T.

SPEAKER_04 27:53

Oh, you must really like your sticker. I got you then.

SPEAKER_00 27:56

I do. So I don't know if you remember an E.T. in the beginning, you can't really see him yet, but there's like that they're like running through a field and it's dark and they're like looking for him. And as a little kid, that freaked me out.

SPEAKER_04 28:06

Oh he scared the shit out of me when I was a kid. I made the cutest sound, so no, he was scary. You're probably the same size as E.T. though. Like I was. Still am. It's funny though, because I also had I feel like when I think of four, I'm like, okay, cool. I remember thank you, Dad, for uh helping me bring me into this by introducing me to Chucky at a young age. Um, so no kidding. I I swear, like I will never remember a dream, but I'll remember this one. And I might have said it on the podcast before, but I'm sleeping and then my mom's tucking me in, or like I'm about to go to sleep, my mom's tucking me in. Chucky jumps on her back and starts stabbing my mom. I had this at a very young age, and I was so afraid. You know, when you go into Spencer's back then, they had the Chucky doll. Super scary, super scary. So I think that's when I got my first taste of horror. I don't know if I necessarily knew like what it was, nor could I watch it during that time, probably. It was probably just on, and he's like, Yeah, sure, just watch it. Like my mom killed him.

SPEAKER_03 29:10

That's what my dad did, but with awesome powers. My mom was furious.

SPEAKER_05 29:14

That's why you're hilarious now.

SPEAKER_04 29:15

Always also relatively new. There you go. Awesome jokes. But I think um, you know, growing up, like watching horror, just uh we've talked about this before. Like anything in the 90s, I really love like the faculty. I know, I know you did last summer. I know not not everyone's fave. Um, you know, the Billier Witch project. I remember my mom being scared shitless at home from watching that movie. And um Scream. So all of those have had so much, like, like so much pull on me and why I love like horror so much. And I think that's why I always gravitate towards 90s, even if it's trash, I'll still love it.

SPEAKER_02 29:50

I actually had mine already ready, and then you reminded me of Chucky, and I was like, no, when I was a child, I used to literally like line up my stuffed animals around my room so that they could like keep watch while I was asleeping, just in case he came in to try to kill me.

SPEAKER_05 30:03

That's awesome.

SPEAKER_02 30:04

That was definitely scary as a child.

SPEAKER_05 30:06

Would would and I'm curious for you two who are scared of Chucky, was it like the old school child's play movies that scared you when it was more serious, or was it like when they became titled Chucky and he started becoming more vulgar and more comical?

SPEAKER_02 30:20

No, the original for sure.

SPEAKER_05 30:21

No, it was definitely like first movie.

SPEAKER_02 30:23

Because it's like that was also around the same time as like Toy Story, so you like weren't sure if toys came to life when you weren't looking or not.

SPEAKER_04 30:29

And also it's very deceiving that first movie. You're like, oh my god, they're making toys, like I remember this sequence so easily. I'm like, it's a toy movie. My dad like kept it on.

SPEAKER_00 30:41

I had the uh what is it called? The My Buddy Doll or whatever it was called. No, yeah, whatever the real world, I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 30:47

It's just yeah, we have one over here too.

SPEAKER_00 30:50

Yeah, so I had that as a little kid, so when I saw the movie, I thought it was the funniest thing on earth. Because like you're like, come on, I I have that thing. And what I used to do like back when I was like, I don't know, like five or six, is I would put like the wrong tape in, and then it would just like speak in tongues, which was awesome.

SPEAKER_03 31:06

Who are you? Mac is fun. I love Mac is a horror movie.

SPEAKER_00 31:11

Could you imagine a little kid just sit like sitting there at a doll like just blabbering on nonsense? It's hilarious.

SPEAKER_03 31:17

This is why you're never afraid of anything. That might be why. That's exactly why.

SPEAKER_02 31:21

Um, but the one that I did have prepared before you reminded me of that was um in when I was about like 12 years old, my mom took me to see a movie called Darkness Falls. And I don't know if you guys so good. Have you guys seen this? Yes. I don't know if it's still good because I haven't seen it since, but basically, it's about like these people who accuse this woman of like being a witch and like saying she stole all these kids and then they burn her alive or something, and she like curses the town, and then after she dies, like all the kids are fine, and they're like, oh fuck. Um but basically she's like a spooky tooth fairy. And at the time, I had just lost my last baby tooth, and like my mom had no idea what she was bringing me into. Um, but we saw this movie and it was like, yeah, this witch comes and like kills your child as soon as they lose their last baby tooth. And I was like, fuck, that's me right now. And I distinctly remember we had this like staircase when we would go into our house at the time, and it had like a really like tall space above it. And there's a scene in that movie where she's like up in that space, and every time I went into the house at night, I would like look up real quick and run up the stairs at the same time.

SPEAKER_05 32:19

I loved that movie. Now that was early 2000s horror that I could get behind. Yeah, I definitely like that.

SPEAKER_02 32:25

I wonder if it's still good.

SPEAKER_05 32:27

I hope so. I don't want to be disappointed.

SPEAKER_02 32:29

But for me, the movie that made me like truly, truly fall in love with horror was Your Next. Um, and that's a more recent one. But the first time I saw that, I was like, oh, okay, because like in my mind, the genre had already been established of like what this what a horror movie experience is. And this was the first time I saw it flipped on its head and like kind of played out in a very realistic way, as far as I was concerned. So that was the first time I was like, oh, this is actually really fucking cool, and I want to see more things like this.

SPEAKER_05 32:55

Oh, I love that. I think one of the ones that made me the horror fan I am today, obviously, like it's no surprise here, it's Halloween. Um, Michael Myers as an antagonist is the only horror movie character who has ever made an appearance in a nightmare for me. And it's not even that I get scared watching the movie, but this idea of being a shape with a blank face on which you could project to your worst fears, that's terrifying. But it is not the one that stuck with me the most or scared me the most as a child. Like Mac, I had a sem well, Mac, I think had a probably way more Catholic bringing upbringing than I did. We weren't really a church-going family, but I did go to go to church occasionally, baptize, did the first communion. I think I did everything except my confirmation, so I bailed out of Catholicism at the last possible second. But I saw the Amineyville horror, and I was terrified, not of what I saw in the movie, but of the true story behind the movie, or like this, like the DeFeo murders. And I was terrified. I'm I I'll never forget this. I remember riding my bike out of my driveway in Texas, terrified that I was gonna get possessed by something and kill my entire family. Like that scared the shit out of me.

SPEAKER_02 34:10

So you're mostly afraid of yourself.

SPEAKER_05 34:12

Yeah, well, like I was afraid of this idea of possession, and you know, I got a little bit older and I lost all semblance of spirituality, so like that kind of shit doesn't scare me now. But as a kid, ooh, that was that was rough.

SPEAKER_00 34:25

Interesting story. Amineyville uh on Long Island. Um, you know, my parents, I remember when the movie came out, uh, or actually one of the reboots came out, they like really dismissed it because they were just like, it's just a bunch of BS. Because they're from Long Island, I'm from Long Island, so my dad is too. Interesting.

SPEAKER_04 34:41

They probably knew each other. You know how people from New York, everyone knows each other.

SPEAKER_00 34:45

They'll be like, they'll be like, which town on Long Island? You'll say it and they'll be like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 34:48

Center Reach.

SPEAKER_00 34:49

Us. No, not us. But uh yeah, they they totally dismissed it. So I never really got into it.

SPEAKER_04 34:55

Oh, that's weird because my dad said I mean he wasn't all about it, but like my dad definitely was like, Oh yeah, shit happened there.

SPEAKER_00 35:01

Yeah, it's been some controversy over the years because of it.

SPEAKER_05 35:04

For sure. Now, we did talk a little bit about Halloween, um, which brings us to the next question. This this is an interesting one, and I'm not sure that anyone else here has seen this movie, but why is Halloween 3 Season of the Witch considered a Halloween film? I'm happy to take this one, but has anyone seen it? Um love it.

SPEAKER_02 35:23

Nope.

SPEAKER_04 35:24

I really like it. I love the mask, I love the whole idea of like people putting on this mask and then being like, you know, I don't know. It definitely doesn't, I will agree, it doesn't fit into the Halloween saga, but like I think I opted out of watching this movie after talking to you, Chris.

SPEAKER_05 35:42

Really? I can't imagine I would have said anything bad about it.

SPEAKER_00 35:44

I don't think you said anything bad. I think when you just described kind of what it was about and why it happened, I was like, well, that's not really what I'm looking for. And I did it.

SPEAKER_05 35:51

So we'll break this down. We'll break this down for the listeners who are curious but don't know and don't feel up to the googling. Halloween was originally intended to be a one-movie story. That's it. There was never a planned sequel in the 1980s. There was a push-for sequel. John Carpenter and Deborah Hill ended up writing it. They're like in the midst of a breakup, so to speak. And John Carpenter famously wrote that movie while drinking a six-pack of beer. He's like, Alright, well, I'm gonna really kill Michael this time. There's no way he's coming back. And their vision for what Halloween would be after that would just be an anthology. So Michael Myers was to be one chapter in this entire story of movies titled Halloween that show terrible things happening on and around the holiday of Halloween. So that was this movie, Season of the Witch. It went a totally different direction. And I mean, by my opinion, it's a good movie on its own. Like if you're to watch this and not have the the seed planted in your mind that Michael Myers is gonna be up in this bitch, you're gonna like you're probably gonna like the movie. It's actually really solid. But so many people discredit it because there's no Michael Myers in it.

SPEAKER_04 37:06

But I wonder if they would have kept going with that, how that would have looked, because I totally would buy into that.

SPEAKER_05 37:11

For sure. I mean, I want to imagine that we would have landed somewhere like trick or treat, right? Yes, which I'm a fan of.

SPEAKER_00 37:18

That's immediately the thought I had. I was like, that could have been one of them.

SPEAKER_05 37:21

Well, John Carpenter directed the first Halloween. He did not direct Halloween 3 Season of the Witch, and that brings us to our next question, which is who are your favorite horror directors? Uh obviously for me, one of my favorites is John Carpenter. I've loved just about everything he's done. But my two up-and-coming uh directors behind that would be Jordan Peel and Sophia Tikal. What about you guys?

SPEAKER_00 37:45

George Ramiro. Because of all of his hard work, we now have the modern zombie like genre. And all those all those early like Living Dead movies, I mean, just just amazing. Before it was completely played out, and you're begging them to end, you know, The Walking Dead season 30. Um, it was still kind of like fresh and fun, I feel like, for a couple decades. And just I mean, absolutely amazing. There's like cultural statements going on in the movie. Uh, there's like zombies like we've never seen them, and now of course it's the standard for what a zombie is. So yeah, just just fantastic director. Love all those the movies that come after it as well. So really solid.

SPEAKER_04 38:26

Um, I'll go with one of my favorites, which is a classic, kind of like um what Chris did, but um, mine's gonna be West Craven. Um, I love what he's got going on. I'm sure Ryan can agree. We both love Freddie, we love the look of Freddie. Um I like him for Scream though. Scream is like super fantastic. Um, and I think what really made me like him even more is when we reviewed Scream on this podcast to see everyone's different perspective and then like all the stuff that's just behind it, and it's so packed, and I never really like watched that and like understood it, and I thought it was genius. But um, I'm gonna give it up for my guy Eli Roth, you know. Oh, I like him too. And then I couldn't walk out of here without saying James Wan. I like what he did in the um beginnings of the saws, and I also love all the insidious, no matter how crazy they get, they're pretty good.

SPEAKER_05 39:20

Oh man, James Wan. I felt needed to back away from horror for a while because he could just put up the same shit over and over again.

SPEAKER_04 39:27

Okay, it is the same shit. But if you like that same shit and you just keep getting more of it, Alexa just loves things to love them, and it's okay.

SPEAKER_03 39:34

Yeah, it's all right. It doesn't matter the quality, she loves it anyway. For me, I'm gonna be straightforward. I I don't talk about like directors and stuff a lot um because it's not something that I really pay a lot of attention to. But Jordan Peel, everything he's done so far, obviously I can't wait to see the rest of what he creates in this world, but um he has to be the one that I would nod to. Uh I'm I I love it. Every bit of it. Everybody gives him a lot of criticism for different things he does. I love it. Keep doing it.

SPEAKER_02 40:06

Absolutely. I actually um I made a list of like the top horror movies that came to my mind in on like my list. Uh, and the only two directors that repeated were uh Jordan Peel and then Ari Aster. So I guess I'll give mine to Ari Aster because so far he's made two of my favorite films of all time with Hereditary and Midsommar. And I love his the way he blends like in like sort of like an indie art film with new horror, and the way he makes the gore like super impactful, even though there's not like a ton of it. So he gets my vote, and I can't wait to see the rest of what he does.

SPEAKER_03 40:41

Wow, I hated Hereditary so much. Oh no. Did not like Hereditary, and that fear makes me fearful of watching Midsummer.

SPEAKER_02 40:50

I say still watch it. I also love that he just like he gives his actors a like the space to give like really great performances. So you have Florence Pugh in Midsummer like giving the performance of her life, and then you have Tony Collette just like acting in Hereditary. And I love when like women are given like really good scenes and really good scripts, and they just like run with them. So I hope he gives more of that.

SPEAKER_05 41:10

Ryan, you just mentioned you couldn't stand hereditary. Uh I think some might describe it as being overrated, yeah, if that's a fair assessment there. So that brings us to our next question here. What is the most overrated horror movie?

SPEAKER_03 41:24

So I actually have like a a whole thing in horror that is overrated to me, and it's Jason. Like I've never cared about a movie that Jason is in. And I can't say that I've seen them all, but uh it's just it just doesn't do it for me. Like we got like Freddie, we have Michael Myers, and I feel like usually people put Jason in that in that triangle of like the the classics, and it just doesn't do it for me. I I I could go without it forever.

SPEAKER_00 41:57

I think it's because he has a look, you know, he has like an iconic look to him, he accessorizes well, he's got the uh the mask going on, he's got the uh large pointy thing.

SPEAKER_03 42:08

It's like I'm more thrilled by the people dressing up as him for Halloween than I am by the movies.

SPEAKER_00 42:12

I I remember watching, I forget which one we were reviewing, but I ended up watching like six or seven um of the Friday the 13th movies, and I actually like it was kind of fun. Yeah, did you go through a whole like I went through a whole bunch of them within like a week and it was good. I don't I I don't see it as overrated like completely, but it is, yeah. It's a bit it's a bit it's a bit a little bit overrated.

SPEAKER_03 42:34

He's not as great as Michael and Freddie, and that's usually where he's placed.

SPEAKER_00 42:39

No, he's definitely like the C team in this scenario. He's definitely not A team or even B team here, but I think paranormal activity or paranormal snoozetivity super overrated.

SPEAKER_05 42:50

No payoff on those. So true. No payoff at all.

SPEAKER_00 42:52

Nope, no happy ending.

SPEAKER_03 42:54

I loved the first paranormal activity just because it was so different. It was definitely like a moment in time to appreciate, but like as a movie, meh.

SPEAKER_02 43:03

I only saw it in theaters and I don't remember much about it. I just remember liking it. So you guys are probably right. It probably doesn't stand up like it did. Um, but my vote goes to Alien because that shit's in the Library of Congress and why? Nope. Get it out of there. It's not good.

SPEAKER_03 43:18

That's an attack. Max crying right now.

SPEAKER_02 43:21

I already hacked it. This isn't a surprise.

SPEAKER_03 43:25

Have you seen any of the follow-ups? Any of the sequels?

SPEAKER_02 43:30

Not gonna.

SPEAKER_03 43:31

Maybe maybe that needs to be a part of it for you to understand the whole existence of the universe.

SPEAKER_02 43:35

Yeah, but like that one's in the library of Congress, and that's the epitome of overrated.

SPEAKER_03 43:41

So, like, yeah, forget the Library of Congress. But in general, I feel like if you watch like I feel like if you watch like Prometheus and a few of the others, you might enjoy it a little more. You might appreciate it as it ages.

SPEAKER_00 43:53

At least make it to aliens.

SPEAKER_03 43:54

So Gorney Weaver's even more badass in the second one.

SPEAKER_01 43:58

I guess we'll never know.

SPEAKER_05 43:59

Oh, we will. Be on the calendar, don't you?

SPEAKER_02 44:01

Oh damn, it will, won't it?

SPEAKER_05 44:02

So look the shining. I'm not a big fan of it, but I do think there's one more overrated than that, and that is the grudge. I remember seeing that in movie theaters being bored out of my mind. And I remember I know people were really excited for this new grudge that came out, but even that was a disappointment. I just don't get what's so scary about it.

SPEAKER_03 44:22

It's funny because I can't actually distinguish in my head like I know I've seen the grudge, but what I mean is like I can't like see it in my head. Like I can only think of the ring. I can't think of the grudge as its own thing.

SPEAKER_04 44:35

The grudge when she comes out of a well. No, it's not that's the ring.

SPEAKER_03 44:40

See, exactly.

SPEAKER_05 44:41

That's exactly what I'm talking about. Maybe it's because no one can remember seeing the grudge, but they can remember hearing the grudge.

SPEAKER_02 44:47

There was like the um the invention of vocal fry. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 44:53

So is that the one that's not the one with the little boy? It is the one with the little boy in the closet.

SPEAKER_02 44:58

Uh he has like a little bowl cut and he's all like powdery.

SPEAKER_04 45:01

Yeah. Sure.

SPEAKER_03 45:02

Yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 45:02

The hand in the back of the head when she's washing her hair. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 45:06

Okay, there's a lot of greasy wet hair involved in both of these films. Dark, greasy wet hair. So. And then the ring is Samara.

SPEAKER_00 45:13

Yes. Much better backstory.

SPEAKER_05 45:15

And here's the thing. I feel like it kicked off this whole movement, right? You have the ring, right? You have the grudge. And you have One Miss Call. You have White Noise. It's just this never-ending string of movies that were exactly the same thing, but different. And it wasn't like different in a unique way. It was unique, it was different in a damn you fooled me into paying admission to come see something. That is actually something I've already seen before. How disappointing.

SPEAKER_03 45:41

Well, it was also just let's take these movies from Asia and make them American in in some ways.

SPEAKER_02 45:46

I mean, in that same train of thought, there's this film called X-Day, which is literally an Asian horror film about haunted hair extensions. Um, and when they get clipped into your hair, they kill you. And that's actually a lot of fun.

SPEAKER_04 46:00

I appreciate that. You know what um really I think is overrated? Um, there are some that are really good and some that aren't, or all of the senses movies. So it's like you can't hear, you can't speak, or you can't see, or something like that. Um, so I'll take a quiet place, I'll give you that. But there's a few on Netflix that trying to turn it, and I'm like, what's going on here?

SPEAKER_03 46:21

I watched what I would consider basically a dupe of a quiet place. Can't even think of what it was called at this point. Netflix Netflix, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 46:27

Was it with the deaf girl?

SPEAKER_03 46:29

Yeah, yeah. It was a deaf girl. It was like the same situation. They had a deaf jaw, a deaf daughter, like it was very similar. And it's just funny to me how they can make a movie like that, and it's basically the same. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:39

It was really sad to me when Bird Box came out and came out after a quiet place because I was I remember listening to the audiobook of Bird Box and thinking, like, oh, this is actually pretty good. This could be like a good movie, and then a quiet place came out, and I was like, yo, they could never make that into a movie now because it because I mean Quiet Place was amazing, and then they did make it into a movie, and then I was like, they should not have done this.

SPEAKER_03 47:01

Yeah, you didn't like a quiet place?

SPEAKER_00 47:02

No, no, I love a quiet place.

SPEAKER_03 47:03

Didn't love bird box, so yeah, I forgot about birdbox, but I I'm not gonna lie, I actually enjoyed that movie.

SPEAKER_00 47:07

Birdbox was a moment, it was entertaining.

SPEAKER_03 47:09

I have not seen Bird Box. Oh man, you avoided all the internet, just eyes closed all the time.

SPEAKER_00 47:17

If you haven't seen it, you should you should read the book first and then watch it.

SPEAKER_05 47:20

I've heard of Bird Box, and I feel like I I figure out like who dies in Bird Box because it was all over the internet. Same problem I had with Mid Samar.

SPEAKER_03 47:30

I just can't believe you didn't watch it and give in.

SPEAKER_00 47:32

Don't do it. Just read the book first, at least. Just put it on the list, you guys.

SPEAKER_03 47:35

It's a fun watch.

SPEAKER_05 47:36

It'll get there eventually. It'll get there eventually, but let's go here. Because I think, Mac, you're kind of leaning in this direction. What a horror movie has disappointed you. And now let's be clear, this is very different from being the worst horror movie ever. This is one like you had high hopes for and you expected better.

SPEAKER_00 47:53

So I'm gonna I'm gonna go back to something Alexa said earlier because I found insidious disappointing. Because they couldn't even come up with their own villain. They had to use Darth Maul from that dude. From Star Wars episode.

SPEAKER_03 48:09

That show was scary. Are you kidding me? It was scary. It was so scary.

SPEAKER_00 48:13

As soon as I saw Darth Maul sharpening his, like, I don't even know what he was sharpening, but I was like, this is hilarious. Why was it? What is this happening?

SPEAKER_05 48:21

Yes. One of the jump scares is Darth Maul sitting behind a guy just saying, Hey, why was it Darth Maul?

SPEAKER_03 48:28

That is such a great question. Like, why?

SPEAKER_00 48:30

Yeah, that was that's where like I got to that point and I was like, all right, I'm over this. They couldn't be a little bit more original. It looks like someone was like, yo, that guy looks bad. Make something that looks exactly like him, but not.

SPEAKER_03 48:41

They could have used blue instead of red and been right totally different.

SPEAKER_04 48:45

You know, it looks like he was gonna go to a football stadium then. That's true. I think the two, the most uh like most disappointing like movies that like I had so many high high hopes for rank first one's scary stories, could have been way better than my second one is Pet Cemetery. Oh I I know people here have enjoyed it. Um I just had more high hopes for what they were gonna do. And uh at least Mac and I are together flat for me.

SPEAKER_00 49:12

Yeah, I don't so was I on was I on the podcast for Pet Cemetery.

SPEAKER_05 49:17

You weren't you were a listener.

SPEAKER_00 49:18

That's right. I was a listener, and I remember talking to you about how I disagreed with everyone else on the podcast.

SPEAKER_05 49:23

And I was like, we need this guy on here. I mean, I was like, they don't even get it.

SPEAKER_03 49:27

Do they even watch the same movie? Come on. This is a classic Mac perspective.

SPEAKER_02 49:32

Yeah. So this is a movie that you guys reviewed and I was not present for, but you know, I love Kathy Bates, and I heard she won an Academy Award for her performance in this movie. So I was like, oh, this is gonna be great. And then I watched Misery.

SPEAKER_03 49:46

Don't do this, do not do this right now.

SPEAKER_02 49:49

And it was, in fact, a hot pile of horseshit. And when I listened to you guys give it a universal slash, I was just like ripping my hair out. I was like, what movie did you guys watch? Because it was not good. The acting was bad, the dialogue was dumb, the whole premise was like Hara said that.

SPEAKER_05 50:06

I thought, let's get him on the show.

SPEAKER_04 50:08

You really need to watch Castle Rock because they develop her as a character and it's amazing.

SPEAKER_02 50:12

I'm actually open to that because I feel like it had a lot of potential and it just did not satisfy me.

SPEAKER_04 50:17

Season two. I'm not sure who the actress is in it, but no kidding, she sounds just like Kathy Bates. It's the scariest thing ever.

SPEAKER_02 50:24

But also, like, what's scary about like like a like a Midwestern woman being like, oh crap, jeepers? Like, no, that's no, that's not scary.

SPEAKER_05 50:31

Harris, you're a dirty bird. Who are you? Why do we have you here?

SPEAKER_03 50:34

Honestly. So I have kind of a weird answer to this question. Something that was disappointing to me, which is maybe gonna shock you guys. I don't think I've talked about this on the podcast. Watching it the second time, oh yeah, not in a theater, not with the Dolby experience was a disappointment. What? Because I know I was on this podcast, Raven, ranting and raven, loving on this movie. I went around my whole life telling everybody how how obsessed I was with this movie, how great it is and everything. And, you know, like I said, we went to see it in Dolby. And like I truly believe that if you see a movie in Dolby at AMC, it's like a completely like it makes you think the movie is 50% better than it really is. And I'm not trying to say that it chapter two is not good, but what I am trying to say is that watching it at home is disappointing, it's not the same, it doesn't have the excitement and the the the feeling that it has in the theater. And and that's something that really hurt my feelings because I really had to I I talked a lot of stuff to a lot of people and I had to just lay down and let it just understand that if you didn't see it in the theater, it's not the same, and I was sad about that.

SPEAKER_05 51:47

So I'm gonna dig back into the archives for this disappointment, and it was one that I took personally. That is the train wreck that was produced by James Juan, the curse of La Llorona. Oh because that was a moment to celebrate Hispanic culture, Hispanic heritage, Mexican culture, and you got your boy your girl Velma saying, Have you ever heard of La Llorona? And it was just like such a weak story. It was like seen them once, seen them all. There was nothing unique about it. Uh, your girl disappears into puddles every once in a while, and it was just like there were no stakes in the movie. That was the one that like I expected the most and got the least.

SPEAKER_03 52:30

This was like when our friendship truly started to bloom, and I remember asking you about this. Like, I was just waiting to see what you would think, and I still haven't seen the movie because literally Chris was like, it was horrific. Like it was such a dud.

SPEAKER_04 52:45

Yeah, I haven't seen it either for that reason. But I'm if I was so curious on watching crappy movies, like people like it's horrible. I'm like, but is it?

SPEAKER_03 52:52

You'd probably appreciate it.

SPEAKER_05 52:54

I mean, go for it. You like James Wan, so you might like it. But here's the thing even when I dislike movies, I generally am like, oh, but like give it a shot, you know, fuck it. You know, it's still horror. This movie, I'm like, absolutely fucking not. They they pick pieces of culture to try to represent, but then they don't even cast people of color in the movie. Like, and the ones that they do are playing into really negative stereotypes. It's just a shitty production all around and in poor taste.

SPEAKER_02 53:23

You hate to see it.

SPEAKER_05 53:24

Absolutely. But let's move on to a happier time. Who are your uh all-time favorite villains? Freddie. That's it.

SPEAKER_00 53:32

Captain Spencer, aka Pinhead from the Hellraiser movies.

SPEAKER_04 53:36

Ooh. So yeah. Good one.

SPEAKER_00 53:38

It is is I have I remember watching that really young and just like kept watching them anytime I could, which was typically on the sci-fi channel back in the day or whatever channel it was on. Just such a fun villain to watch.

SPEAKER_04 53:49

Do we have to just pick one? You can pick whatever you want. Can I pick my top three? Go ahead. Oh, okay. So we have Ghostface typical, yeah. He's just everywhere. You can't get away from him, even if you're not watching the movie. He's the bomb.

SPEAKER_03 54:02

Love him so much.

SPEAKER_04 54:03

Then I have I cannot forget Baba Duke. Yes, super scary. A classical excess favorite.

unknown 54:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 54:09

Coming down from the ceiling. And then um, I'm just gonna go for someone just plain and simple, just going freaking psycho on his family, Jack Torrance. Mm-hmm. I like those picks.

SPEAKER_00 54:19

Here's Johnny.

SPEAKER_04 54:21

I love it. So iconic. And oh I wish he could just be Benjamin Button and just be kept getting younger instead of older. We get more stuff from him.

SPEAKER_02 54:29

I'm gonna give mine to um a monster, and it's probably because it's the only like Hollywood monster that I've ever actually found to be uh effective, and that's uh the creeper from Jeepers Creepers.

SPEAKER_03 54:40

Yes, my namesake. Oh my god, really?

SPEAKER_02 54:42

That's why you're the cowardly creeper?

SPEAKER_03 54:43

Yeah, I love Jeepers Creepers.

SPEAKER_02 54:46

Ah, okay, that's exciting. But yeah, I remember when I first saw that when he there's there's like a scene where like he reveals that he has like these giant fucking wings and that he can like just swoop into the sky at a moment's notice, and I was like, okay, this is actual bullshit. Get me the fuck out of here.

SPEAKER_04 54:59

Did y'all hear this is like the you know how he comes every 23 years? Yeah, this is the one. I was like, oh, except it would be 2020.

SPEAKER_03 55:08

He's like juicy, oh gosh, Jeepers Creeper's. I can't believe I didn't think of that series for any of these answers. Oh, great job, Paris. I really appreciate you here.

SPEAKER_05 55:19

So I think mine are like fairly classic. Um, mine is gonna be obviously like Michael Myers, number one. Number two is gonna be Billy, the original, like unnamed, unfaced killer from uh the original Black Christmas. And then number three, because god, that voice was so rich. It's gonna be Candyman by Tony Todd.

SPEAKER_02 55:38

Wait, that's such a good one, too.

SPEAKER_05 55:40

Oh I see the disappointment in your eyes that you did not think of this. Did not think of it.

SPEAKER_02 55:46

I pick Candyman too, adding that to my roster.

SPEAKER_03 55:49

Alright, so we need draft picks. When we get Candyman 2020, I think he'll be on my list too. God, I'm praying we do for sure.

SPEAKER_04 55:56

If not, I will boycott 2020. I'm dying.

SPEAKER_00 56:01

I'm going back to 2019.

SPEAKER_05 56:03

And then just honestly, I am so torn because I'm ridiculously excited for Candyman, but I'm also excited for Halloween kills, and I don't know how I'm gonna decide between the two of them. You don't have to decide.

SPEAKER_02 56:17

Yeah, porque no las dos.

SPEAKER_05 56:19

I guess not, but eventually one of them's gonna be top supreme in my favorite horror movies. Because I haven't seen much of anything this year. All we have is the fucking grudge and the boy too. Alright, folks, now let's wind down here on our listener questions. Which classic horror movie would be way better with a modern twist?

SPEAKER_00 56:34

I have a really weird one. I want to see a modern twist on the fly, but I want it to star Jeff Goldblum because I feel like Jeff Goldblum now is so much quirkier and fun than he was back then. And I just like can't even imagine how entertaining that would be to see him in a modern fly.

SPEAKER_03 56:54

Very Maccabi. Um mine, I more so thought of it as like a a modern remake, and I'd love to see the faculty done really well. Like I love that, but it definitely is, you know, it's aged. Like, life isn't like that anymore. I would just love to see a new version of that, but not overdone. Like the simplicity of the faculty redone would be so good.

SPEAKER_02 57:21

I support that. I will help fund that, Ryan. Uh, for me, I picked um like so. Hear me out. Do you guys remember the Momo Challenge?

SPEAKER_03 57:28

Yes. Oh gosh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 57:30

Okay, so for those of you who don't, there was like this like viral challenge based on this like really ugly sculpture somebody made, and they like cropped it into a screenshot. But basically the Momo challenge was like this thing, it's kind of like Slenderman adjacent, where like if somebody gave you the Momo challenge, you'd have to like do all these crazy things that eventually led you to either like kill yourself or kill your parents, and it was like this viral thing, and like kids were taking it way too far. But if that was like utilized in a reimagining of the ring, because the ring was kind of like the first viral video, it was just on VHS. Yes, and Samara and Momo have a lot of similarities in how they look.

SPEAKER_05 58:04

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 58:05

So I feel like this could play out as something watchable.

SPEAKER_05 58:08

I appreciate that answer, and I feel like it would differentiate it enough from the other stuff that I saw that I would really enjoy it.

SPEAKER_02 58:14

Thank you.

SPEAKER_03 58:15

But then is it like different? Uh the only thing is I would need it to be set apart from all the other like internet, like you got a phone call, you got a text message, you got an email, now you're gonna die.

SPEAKER_04 58:25

Or if you don't pour this to ten people, you'll have bed luck. Yeah. That was mine. I didn't know what Momo challenge is.

SPEAKER_02 58:30

She needs a horror movie debut.

SPEAKER_04 58:32

She she does, she does for sure. Um, I took this as like either something you'd remake, like a past one, kind of like Mac thought. Um, but the one I thought was already done. Oh, I wasn't too creative. One of the two. It's um definitely child's play, the reboot. I like how they took uh, you know, something being possessed and like let's flip it and it's all AI where everything's connected. Like I think your heart is connected to the iPad, which is connected to the lights and the TV. True. You're not wrong.

SPEAKER_00 59:05

No joke. I got a smart air fryer, pulled up my phone and told it to preheat and then it dinged and told me when it was done, and then I put the food in, and then 25 minutes later, beautifully uh you know, cooked chicken.

SPEAKER_04 59:18

Can you do that on an oven?

SPEAKER_00 59:19

Amazon has a smart oven.

SPEAKER_04 59:21

Okay, I need that because I'm forever like, oh, I need to bake something, but I'm like, oh, I ain't waiting 25 minutes for that shit to heat up.

SPEAKER_03 59:27

Preheating the oven is the worst part of life at this current at this current time. There's no reason technology. That's why they have an InstaBot now.

SPEAKER_02 59:36

Wait, I have this like old shitty oven and it preheats in like under five minutes.

SPEAKER_03 59:39

That's probably unsafe. It honestly doesn't actually take that long to preheat. It's just the the you just want to put it in, yeah. It's the worst.

SPEAKER_02 59:49

Just like a preliminary step is too much.

SPEAKER_03 59:51

Man, first world problems for the win.

SPEAKER_05 59:54

So I'm gonna go an 80 slasher here because I feel like the dialogue that's already in it is ripe for uh being being appropriate in the times that we live in. And it's one that I think Ryan enjoyed at least one character in, and that's the 1982 film The Slumber Party Massacre. Love it. Love it.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:15

I'd watch this remake.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:16

I mean, women fight back against a man who says, You know you want it. What's better than that in 2020?

SPEAKER_03 1:00:23

I feel like it would end up being really bad again, though. Like just ridiculous, you know? Sometimes you see an original and they don't wanna they just wanna keep that going, that that ridiculousness.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:34

Alright, now that's gonna bring us to our final question of the evening, which will take us right into a really fun game. This listener asks, if you could all play in the same horror movie, which character would each of you play? Now we do have a list here. I think we're gonna maybe throw out the uh the character type and then we can all vote on who would be who. First up, let's go with the non-believer. The person who doesn't suspect there's actually any serious trouble here. Mac.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:05

I put Ryan because she doesn't believe in ghosts or aliens.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:08

Oh, true. If it's supernatural, I'm out. I don't uh you guys are being dumb. Don't be silly. Let's just go to sleep. I think Mac.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:15

Yeah, I think you're right, because I'll probably come up with some like, you know, positivism going on. Like, look, let's just think like maybe something else is going on in their life and they're just having a really bad day and they just need some space. It's not a serial killer. We're gonna be fine. I'd probably use logic to try to work my way out of it.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:30

Sounds like Mac's winning?

SPEAKER_00 1:01:31

I support Mac, yeah. It looks like everyone nominated me anyway.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:34

All right, so Mac is the non-believer, and you were you may have won first, but that doesn't mean you die first. Or maybe you do. Now let's go with the jock, Alexis. I was gonna say Chris Orion.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:49

The jock?

SPEAKER_00 1:01:49

Do any of us have any athletic ability?

SPEAKER_04 1:01:51

She loves sports and she plays sports.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:53

Didn't you like just go like walking or running or some crap like that today or yesterday?

SPEAKER_04 1:01:57

Yeah, but I don't like sports.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:58

Aren't you wearing a tank top and leggings right now?

SPEAKER_05 1:02:00

Yes, okay. I'm the jock. I'm the jock guy.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:03

Like the Lululemon jock.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:05

I was gonna go wild card here. I was gonna go our boy Peege, who actually isn't okay. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:12

That's true.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:13

Ooh, that's perfect, and would not have died first, but like many jocks will probably have died in the effort to protect other people. Yes, that's a hundred percent correct.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:23

Yep, I think we're going Peege.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:25

All right, then let's move on to the pretty one, Paris. Ryan.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:29

I was gonna say Alexis or Ryan. I don't know. I'm going Paris as well because I could definitely see a scene in the movie.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:34

You don't have to choose between us. I feel like the You're gonna be doing something.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:38

Like there's gonna be a serial killer out there, and you're gonna be like, oh no, no, no, not until I get my hair right. I did think that.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:43

Like, oh, look at those. Uh yeah. If you think like the prissy, pretty one, it's Paris. It's yeah, it definitely is not even us.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:50

I'm the one that has like a 20-minute bathroom scene for no reason.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:53

We're like if you're gonna ponytail, we're running. We're out, yeah. I agree with the sentiment. He's either the girl in cabin fever who shaved her legs or the girl in 13 ghosts who washed her face for an extended period. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:06

I'll own that.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:07

All right, let's move then into the nerd.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:10

That's Chris. You know that's you, Chris.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:12

Yeah, that's Chris.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:14

Probably the Star Wars nerd specifically.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:16

I respectfully disagree, but that's fine. Let's move that. Seems pretty unanimous. Uh, then we have the final girl or boy.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:22

Alexis, final girl.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:24

Really? I have Ryan or Chris.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:26

You like killing people.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:27

I had Chris because she knows a lot about horror.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:29

Not I think Chris dips. Alexis is out here fighting because I feel like you just want to slice people. Hold on.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:37

I know Alexis well. And I also know that when we asked a similar question way back in the day, Alexis said she would hide like a motherfucker.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:46

Which would make me the final girl. Correct. Because I would be hiding while y'all are dead. Correct.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:51

I think Alexis is campaigning for final girl.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:53

So here's how I'm thinking about it. First movie, Chris is the final girl. Doesn't make it through the sequel, though, because sequel rules. So that's how that works.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:01

Okay. Yeah. So we have the ranking of final girls in order.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:07

I think it's it's Chris and Alexis. Oh, okay. You guys are gonna between the first movie and the sequel. That's how that's gonna go.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:13

I get the sequel.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:16

Hopefully, it's a good sequel shit.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:18

Spoiler alert, it's not.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:20

Give it to the Hispanic girls to survive.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:22

Well, that's how it works because so Chris, if you don't make it through the sequel, they have to replace you with another, you know, Hispanic actress. So that's what they would do.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:30

Demographic should check, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:04:31

Right. Or they just recast the same character as Alexis. Well, Chris wasn't available for the sequel.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:38

Wow, how did Chris suddenly get hot and feminine? All right, then let's move into surprising sharpshooter. And for me, this was easy. It was Ryan.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:47

I have Ryan too.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:49

Yes. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:50

I voted myself also, so I'm very proud of this. Yeah, the surprising thing. Well, I guess if you all voted me, it's not surprising, but I like to think I have talent. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:00

I mean, we all know that you can't survive a zombie movie, but in any other situation, I feel like you would you would, whatever weapon you had, you'd be making headshots every time.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:09

Yeah, I like to think so. I mean, you don't train for nothing, Ryan. So true. And look, we all voted you. So yeah, sure, it may not be most surprising, but by nature, the answer is the answer to this question is think about the person you would expect to be, then who would you not expect to be? And that's how you answer it. Wow. There it is. Now that I think paints the picture of who we'd each be in a horror movie, but let's go into our slasher superlatives. Paris, do you want to describe what we're doing here?

SPEAKER_02 1:05:40

Yeah. So you guys remember in high school and people were voted like most likely to succeed or like best dressed or that shit? It's like that, but spooky.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:46

Politics. I was never in any of those. You had to be one of the cool kids. Yeah, I never won any superlatives. You had to be popular, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:53

I won best dressed and I bet you did, Paris. I literally had no style.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:58

Were you wearing Abercrombie?

SPEAKER_02 1:05:59

Literally, yeah. The photo, it's like a me in like a shitty Hollister flannel and like ripped jeans. It's like so gross. But I was the only openly gay guy in my school, so they were like, he should get best dressed.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:07

Just stereotypes.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:09

Exactly. Um, okay, so our first one, and this one might be one of the most controversial, but most likely to die first.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:17

Paris. No. Is it me? I think you're I think you would just be like chaotic.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:26

I I respect that nomination and I offer a counter-nomination.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:30

Who is it?

SPEAKER_05 1:06:31

Ryan. Only because of what she has said in the past. A, if this is a quiet place, she's gonna go try to go up to the aliens and tell a joke. This is zombie movie, she wants to get taken out first anyway.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:45

To be fair, I am the cowardly creature. I think I'd be most likely to leave the scene of anything going on, to be honest. Well, that's not a category, Ryan, so it's not an option.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:56

I mean, I'll accept it. If I die first, it has to be like a Drew Barrymore first death.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:00

So Ryan and I made a nomination. What do Mac, what do you and Alexis think?

SPEAKER_00 1:07:03

This is a this is a tough one right here, to be honest. Because I feel like Paris would end up with a good death scene, but I don't know if it's the first death scene. Like a Paris Hilton.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:14

Yeah, I definitely die.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:14

I think we can all agree on that.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:16

Oh yeah. Iconic Paris Hilton. Yep. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:19

Is that in House of Wax?

SPEAKER_00 1:07:20

Because I haven't seen that, but it sounds like I should. It's it was amazing. You should see that. Just that scene. Also, watch the rest of the movie. But I'm I'm gonna go with with Ryan for specifically dying first for the reasons Chris has mentioned, because Ryan has told us previously how she would or would not survive, mostly would not.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:39

Yeah, I can't defend myself here. I am going with Bearis, because but it's gonna be an iconic, it's gonna be iconic Drew Barrymore for me. It has to be. It has to be. I appreciate it. No other way.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:53

Brian, we can die first together. I think that's a tie. Plot twist. I was gonna vote for myself or Alexis, so it doesn't really help anything. Okay, so there are second one. Most likely to plot twist turn out to be the killer.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:08

Alexis. Me? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:10

What are your reasons?

SPEAKER_03 1:08:11

Did you hear that fucking laugh? Um, the laugh, the things that she said about what she would do if the purge was real. Oh, not true. Valid. The amount of um torture she likes in her movies.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:24

All those scorned exes.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:26

Very true. They are gone. But we wouldn't be the victims if Alexis was the plot Swiss killer.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:32

I don't know. This could be like a muffy buffy situation going on here where we come over and think we're getting some good snacks and we're getting poisoned or something. A muffy buffy situation.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:41

No, I mean it's just salmonal poisoning, don't worry.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:44

Cooked everything together. Mac, you're the one that brought a cake tonight. So with a knife in it. Yeah. If anybody's gonna be sabotaging via food, it's you.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:54

Okay, so we have one vote for Alexis. Alexis, who do you vote for?

SPEAKER_04 1:08:58

Yes, I think it's gonna be for Mac, actually. I think you are just someone who's very stealthy that's like, hey, I like want to make this fun and I'm gonna go kill someone. I don't know. And it's not, I have no reason for this. There's no nothing that you've ever said other than like you have a creepy ass laugh. Um might already be a robot.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:19

Yes, it might already be a robot. He would also have like some sort of like insane justification for the whole thing, you know, because Mac has a reason for everything. Mac does nothing with no purpose.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:30

Yeah, some would be like, I wanted to leave us with a legacy. I'm on board with this. I think Mac is most likely to be the killer.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:39

I mean, statistically, I'm sure like Heather could probably back us up on this, but I am I am a male. I'm between the ages of 30 and 40.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:47

And you look white.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:49

And I look white. So I think, yeah, it's probably most likely, like in real life, most likely me. Not that I would ever do that.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:58

The numbers don't lie.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:59

I voted Mac, but also possibly Chris, because she knows so much about these things that I could see it like, you know, inspiring her. And also she's just like put up with so much bullshit that I could see it, you know, getting to her one day.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:12

Can I just disclaim that none of us are gonna be killers? Yes, absolutely.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:16

Look, I think I am nothing without the incredible level of composure I've maintained throughout my life.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:22

Right, but until when.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:25

And compassion. You know. So what's our verdict here?

SPEAKER_02 1:10:28

Mac, I guess.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:29

It's a mixed bag. Cool. Mac. I'm just I'm writing them down for future reference. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:33

Go for it. Future reference? Yeah. Are these being held against us?

SPEAKER_04 1:10:37

We should have like yearbook style things. That'd be fun.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:40

Okay, next one. Most likely to show nip. Paris. Whether it be a full what? Paris, I think you're doing it right now.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:47

Yeah, we see your nipples all the time. As soon as you change your shirt, I was like, yep, he's trying to cover us.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:53

That's it. Yeah. This one I had to like stretch out a little bit so it covered the nip. Okay, so I'm dying first with a topless scene. That's what's happening.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:02

No, you're not topless, you're wearing a mesh tank.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:04

Yeah. Okay, fair. Fair. Yeah. Right. That was easy. Okay. No debate there. Most likely to suggest splitting up, Ryan.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:13

Yes, you guys are about that. So wrong. I knew you were about to save me, and you're wrong. I was about to defend myself before anybody even answered. I'm not about splitting up. I don't play that game.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:23

I would go Alexis because she'd want to split up to hide.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:26

I feel like Alexis wants to do something, you know?

SPEAKER_00 1:11:28

Like. But Ryan is so take charge that I could definitely see her just being like, all right, Chris, Paris, Lexus, you guys over here. You do this, and I'm gonna go over there.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:39

No, but that's a dumb move. And and and Ryan, as take charge as she is, like Alexis would do it out of preserving her own life. Yes. But Ryan would see safety in numbers.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:49

Yeah, I I when when chaos happens, I do not split up. And when people started saying things like that, I'm like, this is a dumb idea. What are you talking about? I would if I would disregard my own smart decisions based on being able to be with the group. If the group wanted to do something and I thought that was the dumbest thing ever, I'd still go do it with them so that I wasn't separated. Oh, see, I'd be like, no, we're not.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:10

That's fair. See, I was like for this. It sounds like it's Alexis then.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:13

But I also think it's stupid when people do that in movies. I was like, yep, of course they're splitting up.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:18

But you would split up because you're likely to survive in small spaces.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:22

There you go. Sorry, there's only one person that fits in this dryer.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:26

And then the killer comes and turns it on. I mean, I guess you could choose me.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:30

Until a head gets thrown in there. I'm like, oh shit.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:33

If I'm most likely secretly the killer, I would probably want everyone to split up.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:36

Very true.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:37

See, I was thinking Mac would be able to just like rationalize it in a way that's like so logical that we're all like, oh, I guess this does make sense.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:44

That's true. And I would probably be like, all right, here's our priorities. We need to get gas in the car. Someone needs to turn the car on and make sure that it works. Link up at point B where we're gonna pass the keys over to But the link up at point B never happens. It never happens. And then the killer takes the keys and throws them out.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:59

Always. We're doing everything together.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:01

You've been playing Friday the 13th, the game.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:04

So who's who is it?

SPEAKER_05 1:13:05

I'm still going Alexis.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:07

Yeah, sorry, Alexis.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:08

All right, I'll take it.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:09

Maybe all of us would instantly go, we need to split up immediately to survive.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:13

We all don't trust each other, clearly. You hide under the couch. You hire.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:17

One of you is the killer. Okay, speaking of getting one another killed, who is the most likely to forget to silence their phone?

SPEAKER_04 1:13:24

Alexis.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:25

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:25

Oh no.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:26

Oh yeah, I'm so bad at technology. I could totally see that.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:30

She would be like, I did silence it.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:31

I do remember one time we were recording the podcast, and Page was in the middle of a very serious answer, and then an Instagram meme was like a screen. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:39

I was like, I was like scrolling, but you know when you accidentally press it and then it comes on, I was like, whoops. And I was just like literally scrolling so bad.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:47

She was trying to look at like this horror meme that she had saw earlier the day to show us, and then just all of a sudden some video starts playing. We're like, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_00 1:13:55

You have to go into the settings and choose always when you're using do not disturb. Just remember that because if your screen's lit up, it's still gonna still gonna notify you.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:02

Yeah, well so when I pull it down on the top and press a little half moon, that doesn't work.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:07

Sometimes, but uh if you're looking at your phone, it's still gonna notify you unless you go and change that setting. So you gotta do that.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:14

The more you know. Alright, so just a recap here we have Mac is the non-believer, which means he's also the killer. Yes, that makes so much sense. Yeah, we have Peege is the jock who's probably gonna end up dying trying to protect all of us. We have Paris is the pretty one who is probably gonna die first and to show nip while doing so. Yes. I am the nerd, and then Ryan is a surprising sharpshooter who will also die quickly somehow. She'll also die quickly somehow. And then I might survive the first movie, but Alexis is gonna be my replacement in the sequel. This is insane.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:51

Until she leaves her phone on and gets found in the closet.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:54

Yes, yes, yes. That's amateur moves. Hiding in the closet is amateur moves.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:59

Yeah, you're not gonna make it through the third movie.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:00

It's the dryer, obviously.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:02

Yeah, that's big.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:04

No one's looking under the sink. Yeah, well, go fuck yourself if you're in paranormal activity because the ghosts are gonna open all the cabinets. That's true. Very true. I'm I'm screwed.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:12

So basically they know where I'm at either way, they're ghosts.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:15

Oh no, so so Alexis is not even in Hacker slash like the original. The rest of us die in that movie except for Chris. Chris survives into a hacker slash two electric boogaloo and then doesn't make it through, but then you show up, take over, but you definitely don't survive the season of the witch. It's not gonna happen.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:35

Damn, you're brutal over here.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:37

Because you hide under the sink. And the killer's a plumber.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:40

I'm sorry, you miss a very important part. You killed everyone. In the first one, not all three of them.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:46

Because Chris takes me out in the first one.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:48

Maybe Alexis is in the first one, but like as a character we don't recognize, and she reinvents herself for the second one. Yeah, because no one paid attention. Yeah, yeah. Um, there are some rumors, right? So, like Scream 5 is gonna be coming out, it's gonna be going into production. David Arquette has already been announced to return. And one thing I'm personally hoping for is that Kirby, who Hayden Panantier played in Scream 4, I hope she's alive because she's never officially confirmed as being dead. And hey, if she can come back in Scream 5, that's gonna make it a good time, just like the case could be for Alexis.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:23

But see, I could also see Ryan coming back because she wasn't actually dead.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:26

Ah, yeah. I like that idea.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:28

And then that's when she gets to flex her sharpshooter skills.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:31

Well, I'm gonna want to know what our our listeners think. We've painted a really interesting picture so far, and honestly, thank you for making it to the end of this episode. Uh, it's been a hundred episodes, which is insane to me. Uh, when I first thought about doing this nearly three years ago, I didn't even know if we would make it to episode one or episode 10, 20, 50. And thank you all for spending time and joining this team. I am so lucky to have every one of you here. And some of the best memories I've had of my late 20s into my 30s now have come from this very podcast. Oh, that's cute.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:04

Can we can we all thank Chris? Because like, look at the friendships we've we've built, look at the times we've had and the laughs that we've had, and all the drinks that we've consumed.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:14

Yeah, there's uh we should literally, I'm just putting it in the air. Uh truly white claw. Feel free to sponsor us. Uh, we've drank plenty of your products.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:27

They've supported many a podcast.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:28

Yes. Many tangents that uh I have gone off on, or many um vulgar things, vulgar things I have said on this podcast. But no, seriously, it's been great to work with everyone. I know when I first started, this podcast just has like changed into something like so great. And it's just awesome. Like some days I'm like, you know what? I'm tired. I'm this, I'm that. But then I think about I'm like, you know what? Nothing makes this better than like watching movies that I like watching that not necessarily not everyone likes watching horror movies. And it's nice to be able to share that kind of excitement and with you guys, and I love it.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:06

Even when it's a terrible 80 slasher that we hate, it's still worth watching and still worth coming to the podcast. I think I'm I'm thankful to be here for I think I've been here for about 50 episodes more or less, and me and Mac are kind of on a similar timeline, a little bit different. And I know I've missed a few, um, but it's been so fun and it's so cool. And like there's nothing more like cool in life than when someone comes up to you and is like, Oh, I listened to the episode that you guys did on this movie. And I'm like, Oh yeah, I did watch that. I did talk about that in public on the internet where everybody can listen. I forgot about that.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:42

I mean, I've I've been here for the shortest amount of time, but I remember when I met Chris, uh, she was like, Yeah, I have a horror podcast. And I was like, Okay, cool. Is it good though? And she was like, I don't know, you can listen to it. And I listened to it and I was like, wait, this is good. Um, and I just like fell in love with you guys as a cast, and I was like, Chris, I need to be a part of this podcast because one, there's a lot of hot takes you guys are missing out on. Two, you guys just have so much fun, and I'm so glad to be a part of it.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:06

Thank you. We're happy to have you. Absolutely. Even when you pull those monstrous offenses like hacking scream too.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:12

Dude, we'll let it slide. Listen, the the movie itself says that sequels are bad, so I was just listening to the movie.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:19

Sure, sure. Well, there you have it, folks. This has been a feel-good time, and as promised, we will be back on Friday with another movie review. Uh, this time it's gonna be Ryan's pick, so brace yourself for that.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:32

I wonder if she's gonna give us another hack.

unknown 1:19:35

Ooh.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:36

Ooh. We'll see. Uh, we kind of have this joke where you can pick a movie, but then you have to be on like a almost 50 episode probationary period just to make sure you stick around. So we did Max pick that was Sesperia. And now we're on Ryan's pick.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:50

We're just 13 ghosts. It took so long to get here. I really thought I got booted out the calendar, to be honest.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:56

And uh kind of low-key uh like seasonal theme this year. That's all.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:03

Nah, it's okay. We're just gonna have to start getting back to selling random number generation to make sure we get things shuffled back up again, we'll be alright. Um, keep in mind, folks, that we love hearing from you. Uh like I said, all these questions were submitted by our listeners. And at any point, if you have a question, if you have a thought, uh, if you have something you just want to share with us, feel free to reach out to us. And you can find us at our website, hackerslash.com. And on our social media accounts on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:30

And I, for one, really want to know who the listeners think the superlative should have gone to, because I think they're probably different than us knowing each other. Um, so you can hit us up at the Hackerslash Hotline, and you can text us, call us, leave us a voicemail, or an audio message. Our number is 757-606-0128.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:48

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SPEAKER_02 1:21:01

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SPEAKER_05 1:21:10

Oh, absolutely, and thank you to all the new patrons we've gotten. We've gotten like an influx recently, which is super exciting. Uh, but for all of you out there who are listening, we'll see you next time.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:20

Bye.