SPEAKER_02 0:04

Sometimes you just gotta flick the nipple.

SPEAKER_01 0:11

Greetings and salutations, and welcome to Hacker Slash. If you're joining us again, welcome back. Make yourselves at home. But if this is your first time listening, welcome to the party. We are a horror movie review podcast dedicated to telling you whether a movie is a hack. A total joke, a waste of time, or a slash.

SPEAKER_00 0:27

Totally killer, pun intended.

SPEAKER_01 0:29

My name is Chris, and I'm your friendly neighborhood slasher enthusiast. This week I'm joined by the Superfly Space Guy Mac. Hola, muchachos, the Cowardly Group Orion. Hiya. The Screaming Queen Paris.

SPEAKER_05 0:40

Hey sweets.

SPEAKER_01 0:41

And making his debut return, the Automatonophobiac Peach.

SPEAKER_08 0:45

Hey everybody.

SPEAKER_01 0:46

It's so good to see you, man.

SPEAKER_08 0:47

Feels so weird to be back for some reason. Everybody is like pretty much the same, I guess.

SPEAKER_01 0:52

Nice. Well, everybody's the same except for that new guy, Paris.

SPEAKER_08 0:55

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 0:56

Paris is cool though. I can already tell. I do my best.

SPEAKER_01 0:59

Alright, folks. We'll get those shutter accounts ready because this week we have a 90s classic that's streaming there right now. More on that in a bit, but first we do have some follow-up.

SPEAKER_07 1:09

Let's follow up on some things. Okay, so recently we reviewed a film called A Nightmare on Elm Street 2, Freddy's Revenge, which may or may not be the longest title for a movie ever made. And we asked our friends in social media what they felt about it. You know, did they give it a hack? Did they give it a slash? And truly, as of this recording, it split 50-50.

SPEAKER_01 1:28

Unsurprising.

SPEAKER_07 1:29

I guess so. I I don't know. I thought more people would like it, but I mean, I didn't, so I guess it makes sense. But most importantly, we actually have an update to the saga of boiler rooms. Um, so I know we've all been anxiously, you know, doing our research, trying to figure out what it is about boiler rooms that make them such a focal point in horror movies. And we actually have some inside intel from Amber. She said, in regards to the whole boilers in schools thing, mostly because it was cheaper to heat the building as well as provide hot water, because in some schools, as creepy as it was, showers were mandatory after all gym classes and sporting events. And I'm so glad that was not the case for my school.

SPEAKER_04 2:06

To be fair, a lot of high schoolers need to be taking showers after all their PE classes. They can get disgusting. As I said on Twitter, I just like to think that they're the boiler room's only purpose is to serve as a set for a horror movie. That's it's just what I want. Yeah. Even if they have a real purpose.

SPEAKER_00 2:24

I also like to imagine that school showers only exist in horror movies because I thankfully opted out of any school shower. And I was a football player.

SPEAKER_05 2:32

Ew.

SPEAKER_04 2:32

Yeah, well, you miss your parents giving you a ride home.

SPEAKER_00 2:35

It was uh actually, it was the activity bus, as we called it back in the day. Even worse. It was worse, but I was like, look, I'm not taking showers with you guys. I'm getting in the bus and I'll smell and then I'll get home and then I'll take a shower. And I did that for three long years.

SPEAKER_01 2:49

I for sure changed clothes in a stall in the girls' restroom because I did not want to change in the locker room.

SPEAKER_07 2:54

Yeah, never a fun time.

SPEAKER_01 2:56

Well, good to know that we were all taken back to those memories. Thank you so much, Amber. Amber said that she actually looked into her old school specifically for this information, so thank you. That's thorough reporting. You are a regular investigator. But speaking of investigators, a little while ago, we checked out Scream 2. And Scream 2 features Sarah Michelle Geller. We all know what else Sarah Michelle Geller's been in. And just a couple short weeks ago, we saw Matthew Lillard in 13 Ghosts. Well, folks, this week we're rounding out the Scooby-Doo gang. This week we're looking at another Kevin Williamson Screamplay. This one penned before he blew audiences away with Scream. We're talking about that 1997 classic 90 slasher that everybody knows and loves. Debate on the love. I know what you did last summer. Now, let me just say this. I hope, I really, really, really hope I'm not the only one who's seen this movie.

SPEAKER_00 3:48

Can I offer you guys what happened to me, my roommate, and my girlfriend? We're we're queuing the movie up, we're gonna watch it, and all of us are like, oh yeah, I've totally seen this movie. We start watching it, and like 25% of the way through, we're like, I don't think I've seen this movie. So I don't know what happened, but either we forgot it, or we mistakenly thought we saw it because we've seen movies inspired by this.

SPEAKER_01 4:11

Or did you watch? I still know what you did last summer.

SPEAKER_00 4:14

I think I I it's possible. Like off the top of my head, I'm not sure. But we like swore up and down that we had seen this and that we remembered everything about it, and then we started watching it. We're like, nope, I actually don't remember this.

SPEAKER_04 4:25

I personally think that maybe your brain cells made a decision to purge this from your memory. Um, because I'm pretty convinced that that's what happened with me. I've definitely seen the movie. There are specific scenes where I was like, yeah, unless I uh dreamt the you know how there's that thing where like two ideas can be can occur in different places in the world at the same time? So unless me and the filmmakers of this movie had the same ideas at the same time, I've definitely seen it, but I definitely didn't remember almost any of it. Like, not vividly, not to the point where I was like, oh yeah, that thing.

SPEAKER_07 4:59

It also complicates things that this movie is one of the ones that was heavily uh referenced in the scary movie franchise. Uh with that being said, I had not seen this movie before, but I knew a lot about it. I was familiar with the premise. Um, it felt like I had already seen the entire opening before, and maybe I had. I think I started this movie because I had a playlist inspired by it. Um, but yeah, this was my first time fully watching it.

SPEAKER_08 5:22

Yeah, this was my first time too. But I can agree with Paris. I saw the scary movie version and I was kind of already knowing what was going to happen. I just didn't know it was referencing to this film. And I remember like looking up the title. I like I didn't I didn't see any trailers for this movie at all. I just kind of went off my gut feeling of what I thought this movie was going to be about. So not really knowing much going into it, you know. It definitely definitely had those moments where I was kind of like, oh, that scene, that's what they're referencing. There's a lot of references.

SPEAKER_01 5:49

I am curious to know, looking back at the movies that you guys have seen after you see Scary Movie, if you had a harder time taking it seriously and valuing it for what it is, because you've already had it turned into a joke in your head. I'd be curious to see that in the future.

SPEAKER_00 6:05

I'll give it some credit because honestly, if it's good enough to be made fun of, you know, maybe it's maybe it's worth the watch. Maybe it's its themes and its uh motifs are are are worth watching after someone else makes fun of it just a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 6:21

Perhaps. Perhaps. This is one that I saw when it came out in 1997, and boy, I remember the feeling of enjoying it. I remember that. I don't remember much else. Um, it definitely wasn't as good as Scream. I was I was seven when I saw this movie, and I watched it a few times as a teenager, and it was always just like, oh yeah, it's that other 90s slasher, the woman Jennifer Love You it, you know, it's it's that one. But I was really excited to revisit this as an adult because I wanted to pick up and like just actually look at dialogue and Kevin Williamson's writing and looking at aspects of their performances that I didn't really appreciate or pick up on before when I watched this as a child. But what did you expect?

SPEAKER_07 7:03

I expected it to be shitty.

SPEAKER_01 7:06

Yep.

SPEAKER_07 7:07

Because, you know, when when things get parodied, like maybe they were they had iconic scenes. But yeah, I didn't expect a lot. I thought this movie would be pretty shitty just because, you know, 90s horror is really hit or miss. And I didn't expect the because I really only knew that um Jennifer Love Hewitt was in it. Uh, but I didn't expect there to be like such an all-star cast of like 90s it celebrities of the time. I was also expecting Brandy to be in this and she wasn't, and then I realized that that was the sequel.

SPEAKER_04 7:33

Yeah. It was it an all-star cast or the cast of Scooby-Doo?

SPEAKER_01 7:37

Well, you had some power there. You had Anne Hesh.

SPEAKER_07 7:39

Wait, who else is in Scooby-Doo in this?

SPEAKER_01 7:41

Freddie Prince Jr. and Sarah Michelle Gillar.

SPEAKER_07 7:43

Oh.

SPEAKER_01 7:44

Yeah, it's only two people, but it feels like all of them.

SPEAKER_07 7:46

So Okay, so we really are rounding it out.

SPEAKER_08 7:48

There were actors from Scooby-Doo in this.

SPEAKER_04 7:50

Yes.

SPEAKER_08 7:51

Okay, because without even knowing that, I already kind of thought this crew already, these characters were kind of like the Scooby-Doo gang, but I didn't know they were the actual actors. Bingo. Wow.

SPEAKER_04 8:01

Yeah, that for me is something that I don't know. I feel like I've already complained about this twice in the past like two months, but I it there's just something about these characters or these actors being in Scooby-Doo that just ruins them for me for some reason. I can't separate it. The other thing is I always think that this movie is Lindsay Lohan's I Know Who Killed Me.

SPEAKER_01 8:21

Oh my god, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 8:22

I don't know why. So I going in, I expected to not like this movie, even though it's in it's in my 90s genre that I usually like. Um, and I would say it's like it's not it's not like a super uh campy high school kids doing things, you know. So um it's not all negative, but I did not expect to like it.

SPEAKER_08 8:46

I didn't expect to like it personally. I mean, I don't know. I I had never seen it before, but when I was like looking at then again, like the only thing I looked at was like just the the the cover of the disc um online. Um and uh I don't know, I just I didn't really get the vibe I was looking for from it. This is not a movie I'd really just pick up and watch unless maybe like a friend kind of suggested it. Um but um I'd be curious to see what you all have to say about it and you know what what most most people think.

SPEAKER_00 9:15

I was expecting oversized sweaters, and happy to say you will get some.

SPEAKER_04 9:21

Also, some nice crop tops happening.

SPEAKER_01 9:23

Yes, some very nice crop tops, some crocheted tanks, yeah, crocheted halter, maybe we know at the very least there's some okay fashion to go around. Agreed.

SPEAKER_00 9:32

Oh, okay. This is this is a great year for fashion, right? I mean, it's it's the time that we all look back on and we're just like, what were we thinking? Yet at the same time, it's just amazing. What I was not expecting though is how much I would miss seeing Linda uh Cartellini and Matthew Lillard because the game's not all here. I need the whole Scooby-Doo troop.

SPEAKER_04 9:52

Wow, I've never felt that way, except when I'm watching Scooby-Doo.

SPEAKER_01 9:55

It's okay, just go back and watch the Crosso Laurona and you'll be fine.

SPEAKER_07 10:00

This is true. I don't know what has tainted us more, Scooby-Doo or Scary Movie. Scooby-Doo.

SPEAKER_08 10:05

You know what? While I was watching this, it was kind of both. It was like half and half, like an equal mix.

SPEAKER_01 10:10

I'm okay with that. I love Scooby-Doo.

SPEAKER_06 10:12

I guess I'm glad I've never seen the Scooby-Doo. Wait, you've never seen Scooby-Doo? No. You need to. I'm okay.

SPEAKER_01 10:17

Like any of it, or just the like I've seen like the cartoon. Live. Okay.

SPEAKER_06 10:21

No, watch the first one.

SPEAKER_01 10:22

Freddie Prince Jr. for sure looks weird as a blonde, but it's a it's a pretty good version of Scooby-Doo.

SPEAKER_07 10:28

It would have to be like so campy and stupid for me to enjoy it.

SPEAKER_01 10:31

There it is.

SPEAKER_07 10:32

I mean Oh.

SPEAKER_01 10:35

It's not bad. There's some magic involved. I mean, Scooby-Doo also dresses in drags, so there you go.

SPEAKER_07 10:40

Oh god. No, well, that was actually okay. Maybe. We'll see.

SPEAKER_08 10:44

When I was taking notes that like dilemma with Scooby-Doo, it was like so bad for me, and I'm already so bad with character names. I literally started calling like Fred out and Daphne out, and it's just like literally like circling these characters' names, and that's all I used on my notes.

SPEAKER_04 10:59

Like, this is rude. I know that Jennifer Love Hewitt wasn't in Scooby-Doo, but she just seems like she could be in Scooby-Doo.

SPEAKER_08 11:07

I think she would have made a good one, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 11:09

It just seems she could she could fit there. And maybe I'm just reducing her career to not enough, but maybe.

SPEAKER_01 11:14

Really, what I wanted to look forward to was actually looking at Jennifer Love Hewitt, and I don't remember why. I just have this feeling thinking of like Jennifer Love Hewitt is kind of overrated. But I've been watching her in 911, and she has got some chops. Like she's really solid. So when I was looking back at this movie, I found that not only was it it was kind of like a fun watch. Um, at least it was like 23 years ago when I saw it the first time. But this was like an easy, no major barriers in this. Like some movies have like a hard stop and like, wow, this one element is so distracting, I can't get past this. This was a nice, easy ride. And her performance in particular, it was cool looking back on how she's grown and seeing like what potential she had and just the way she needed to be shaped in terms of her acting. But how about you guys? How did you feel while you were watching it?

SPEAKER_04 12:06

So I have uh a way to describe how I felt during this, and I hope you guys will bear with me here. I'm gonna use very what I think is a very common uh description, which is Chick-fil-A, right? You have your meal that you get at Chick-fil-A. You get it a certain way, right? Maybe you like pickles, maybe you don't, maybe you get the spicy sandwich, whatever it is. And you you have your sauces, right? So you have for me, I have to have two barbecue, two Polynesian, and a hot sauce, one Texas peat.

SPEAKER_07 12:34

No Chick-fil-A sauce?

SPEAKER_04 12:35

No Chick-fil-A sauce. I'm not that kind of girl. Okay, you're not that kind of girl. And I need the sandwich and the fries. I don't need one or the other. I gotta have both. Drink is optional, but there's the there's a certain recipe, and this applies for a lot of places that I like to eat. I have a certain thing that I like there. And this movie made me feel like someone went and got me Chick-fil-A and forgot to bring my sauces. So I have a I have a chicken sandwich that's good, and I have fries that's good. It's just not the same without the sauce, and that's how I felt about this movie. I can't say that, like you were just saying, Chris, there's nothing that like stood out to like offend you in its good or badness. But like as I was watching this, I was like, man, I just need some Polynesian here.

SPEAKER_01 13:20

I need some Polynesian. Ryan, that might be the most poetic thing you've ever said on this show.

SPEAKER_04 13:25

You know, I just came up with it and I'm very proud of it.

SPEAKER_00 13:28

Now, who's using metaphors?

SPEAKER_04 13:29

I know, but you know, it's that thing. You feel it, you know what I'm saying. All of you listening, you know exactly what I mean. It's that indescribable something. It's just a little something, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:39

I was entertained. Perhaps this is because uh, you know, this is from the era that I remember like very like fondly, not vividly, but fondly. I was young, and this was a time where I still had some memory. But uh, you know, because when you're like really, really young, you don't remember you don't truly remember anything that well. But I remember like a little bit. I remember the feeling of what it was you know like to be in the late 90s. I remember friends, and this was like watching the Friends era version of a horror movie. So I, you know, while watching it, I'm just thinking like this is the time before COVID-19. This is the time before 9-11, this is the time before we knew how bad things were gonna get.

SPEAKER_01 14:23

We can't just give everything credit because it's pre-cro COVID.

SPEAKER_00 14:27

That's true, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:28

But this is a nice time capsule.

SPEAKER_08 14:30

I gotta give it credit because it's the year I was born.

SPEAKER_06 14:32

Oh, this is the year that Page was born.

SPEAKER_00 14:34

So this is that's yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:36

I just gotta say this it's also the year the Marlins won the World Series for the first time. So it was a good year all around. I'm so glad Peege is back because I'm not the youngest anymore.

SPEAKER_00 14:44

This is true. But you still haven't seen most of the movies yet. Correct. Yeah. But this, you know, it's it's weird because it's a horror movie, but it's still oddly got that like feel-good feeling going on that we had in a lot of 90s and late 90s like movies and TV shows where even though you know like bad stuff is happening, there's like generally a positive feeling. It's not super gritty like you get into the you know, like mid-2000s, like everything's gritty. Doesn't matter what you're watching, everything gets gritty for no reason. And this didn't really have that feeling. Like, I feel like this could have been turned into like a teen drama halfway through the movie.

SPEAKER_01 15:20

So accurate.

SPEAKER_00 15:21

And so, you know, I and I enjoyed it. It's it was a simpler time. The computers made me laugh. I don't know if you guys had the same reaction to watching that massive laptop.

SPEAKER_01 15:31

Definitely seeing that little red rubber nib that you could use as like a really like specific, and I don't understand because I've I was never like adept at using that thing. I still don't know what its purpose is.

SPEAKER_00 15:44

So that replaces the trackpad or touchpad, but there's always still a trackpad. Yep. Yeah, this is a weird thinkpad thing that like some people will never like that's just never let you take it away from them. They love the idea of this nipple in the middle of a computer.

SPEAKER_02 15:59

Sometimes you just gotta flick the nipple.

SPEAKER_00 16:01

I completely forgot about that.

SPEAKER_07 16:03

As somebody who was pretty skilled at using that as a cursor, I honestly think it could have a resurgence one day. It was pretty, pretty effective at what it had to do. Um, but watching this movie, I was surprised that even though I hadn't seen it, I got a lot of nostalgia feelings as if I had seen it just because of all the actors, all the vibes, all the outfits. Um, but I was also like really surprised by the fact that even though it was it felt like it was a super predictable movie, but I was still surprised by like the ending and like the turn of events. And I was like, how how did that happen? I don't really understand it myself.

SPEAKER_02 16:37

Were you surprised or confused?

SPEAKER_07 16:39

I was confused for a minute, and then in the end, it was it ended with surprise, but there was confusion on the way.

SPEAKER_04 16:44

Yeah, when they when they retold the whole story back to you.

SPEAKER_08 16:47

Yeah, yeah. I was really excited to be back on the show. But when we have when I found out that this is the movie we were gonna watch, I was like, I don't even want to watch this movie. It was just one of those ones like we all have we all have the movie, you know, where it's like I I have to watch this. It's not like I want to watch it, it's kind of like I am gonna have to watch this. And this was one of those for me, but as I was I was surprised. I mean, I was surprised. Um it's like right off the get-go in the movie, it's like I'm already thinking, well, this is like obviously 90s. I mean, everything was screaming 90s, and automatically like I'm getting different vibes from other movies in the 90s, like Scream and things like that. And um, like it was good. I think it definitely ranks among those films in the 90s, especially like in this in a successful horror genre, that only the 90s seemed to kind of pull off um in its own way. And um, I I I actually enjoyed watching this, but it what like it's definitely its own class, I guess, of horror. Like, um, like it's I don't think it's as funny as Scream, or like when it was pulling out, you know, um comedy uh in too many scenes, but it was also trying to be like mystery and trying to it's like a lot of investigation and clues and who did this, who did that, it could it be you, could it be you know him, or and I I actually get a thrill out of that. Um it was a lot of fun, but I don't think it was really scary.

SPEAKER_01 18:09

Yeah. This is the kind of movie that predates pretty little liars. So if you like pretty little liars, this this is right up your alley.

SPEAKER_08 18:16

Also, a lot of characters in the movie don't really seem to act like people do nowadays.

SPEAKER_01 18:19

Yeah, that's fair.

SPEAKER_08 18:21

Like it's very stereotypical, but kind of thinking about it closely, I don't really know many people that would have acted in that kind of manner or in that kind of way, like these characters did.

SPEAKER_01 18:30

Oh, for shits and giggles. Just like you're saying that like they kind of act in a stereotypical way. I wrote down a list of tropes and cliches of slasher movies that this movie violates. Would you like to know the final number, please?

SPEAKER_07 18:43

It's high.

SPEAKER_01 18:43

I want to get your bets.

SPEAKER_07 18:45

Um let's go for 15 from Mac. That's pretty good, Mac. I'm gonna say 16, and this is Price's Right Rules.

SPEAKER_04 18:51

I'm gonna say nine, because I I how many even tropes can you list off the top of your head?

SPEAKER_07 18:55

I'm gonna go with lucky number 13.

SPEAKER_04 18:57

Double that.

SPEAKER_01 18:58

It's 26.

SPEAKER_07 18:59

Oh. Ooh, Price is right rules. I got it.

SPEAKER_01 19:03

Yeah, Paris wins. Can we get those listed? Now we will go over that in the second half, but you're absolutely right, P G this really is very stereotypical in terms of the way these characters kind of play out.

SPEAKER_08 19:13

That's definitely what it felt like.

SPEAKER_04 19:15

Is there such a thing as a stereotypical fishing town? Because that that was one of the things that stood out to me. It was like, so if we're in a fishing town, everyone has the same uh same raincoat, same hat, same uh I don't even know the names of these things because I've never been to a fishing town.

SPEAKER_00 19:31

Look, you got one store to buy this stuff from, so everyone's gonna get the same one.

SPEAKER_04 19:35

Are there fishing towns like this? Does this exist?

SPEAKER_00 19:37

Yeah, I mean, this kind of town used to exist. In the Pacific Northwest.

SPEAKER_04 19:41

Yeah, I was thinking Pacific Northwest. I was thinking Maine. Yeah, yeah. Those are the two things I thought.

SPEAKER_00 19:46

But no one said wicked, so I knew it wasn't Maine.

SPEAKER_01 19:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:49

Also, the kelp forests were a dead giveaway.

SPEAKER_01 19:51

I mean, they very clearly say it's North Carolina.

SPEAKER_00 19:54

What? Yeah, they have North Carolina plates on the cars and all the sorts of stuff, so it's pretty obvious.

SPEAKER_01 19:58

This is not how North Carolina is. No. Opening shot very California, not North Carolina at all. I've been up and down the whole coast North Carolina.

SPEAKER_04 20:07

That ain't it.

SPEAKER_00 20:08

The movie is basically like they're like, we want to make a movie that's effectively a main fishing town, but not have it set there.

SPEAKER_04 20:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 20:15

I'm just gonna go out and say that kelp forests do not exist in North Carolina, and that was factually incorrect on those movies.

SPEAKER_04 20:20

Not at all. Not at all. And that water was mad clear. Oh, there I have I have things.

SPEAKER_00 20:25

Also, as someone who went to high school in like the South South, no one has enough twang. Like the main characters, you know, they should be like, oh my god, he's gonna kill me.

SPEAKER_01 20:35

So funny enough, I lived in North Carolina in 1997 and nobody had twang there either.

SPEAKER_06 20:41

What? What part of North Carolina was it though?

SPEAKER_01 20:43

I lived in Thomasville, North Carolina.

SPEAKER_06 20:45

Oh my god, I lived in Fayetteville.

SPEAKER_01 20:47

Nice.

SPEAKER_06 20:47

Wait, no one had twang?

SPEAKER_00 20:49

No one had I was just in North Carolina two weeks ago and they had twang.

SPEAKER_01 20:53

And and let me and let me tell you this: no twang there. I moved to East Texas the next year. Lots of twang, obviously. So I definitely have those as two very distinct kind of cultures in my mind. No twang whatsoever.

SPEAKER_04 21:07

Mac, last when you were there two weeks ago, did they have twang or twang? Are you getting confused with?

SPEAKER_00 21:12

No, they had twang. They're down North Carolina, North Calaca, if you will. And they had some serious twang.

SPEAKER_01 21:18

Bless your hearts. So let me tell you something that surprised me the most about this movie. And I know a few things may or may not have surprised you guys, but looking at eyebrows, right? Like they're the most, in my opinion, the most expressive part of the human face. Would you agree?

SPEAKER_05 21:34

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 21:35

Absolutely. It surprised me how Sarah Michelle Geller is to this day the only woman in Hollywood I've ever seen who can get away for those with those god awfully thin eyebrows and still look gorgeous.

SPEAKER_00 21:49

Yeah, I mean her brows are on fleek even though they're just microscopic. They're always on fleek.

SPEAKER_06 21:54

She honestly has like Emma Roberts brows.

SPEAKER_01 21:56

She just looks great.

SPEAKER_08 21:57

I don't know. Some people use them, some people don't. I don't know. Like I don't know. Like some people are just expressionless. Like you ever have a conversation with somebody? And like I don't specifically just look at their eyebrows the whole time.

SPEAKER_04 22:10

You think you don't.

SPEAKER_08 22:11

Well, maybe not maybe not consciously, but I don't know. Like, ooh. Like, what about unibrows though? Like, you how do you read that?

SPEAKER_04 22:19

You read it as a persistent frown. You read it as someone that doesn't like to maintain their facial hair.

SPEAKER_08 22:25

That's probably the time I'm I'm most like conscious about looking at eyebrows.

SPEAKER_00 22:30

But wait, if they're expressive, a unibrow would make them even more expressive because there's more eyebrow to look at.

SPEAKER_04 22:34

Yeah, more expressive. Don't want to keep up with their facial hair.

SPEAKER_08 22:38

Center of their face, though.

SPEAKER_01 22:40

I think it limits them because it's actually less eyebrows, one eyebrow instead of two that you can operate independently. Just like you guys said, while this movie isn't scary, I will say this. It does have that enough of that mystery, it has enough of that who done it element. And just enough murder and mayhem, where this has now like become on my list of movies to help someone transition into horror with very easily. It's on the softer scale, but as you're ready to start getting into a little bit amounts of gore.

SPEAKER_07 23:10

Okay, are we just unanimously declaring that this movie wasn't scary? Because two of the jump scares actually got me good.

SPEAKER_01 23:16

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_07 23:17

Yeah. I guess like, I don't know. They one of them like they did a really good job of like me not seeing it coming because there was no like music that was like making it obvious or anything. And then the other one was, let's say, at the end. Um, and I feel like that one was just a cheap shot, but it's it still got me.

SPEAKER_04 23:31

You got got by that at the end.

SPEAKER_00 23:34

I did. That one got me the most.

SPEAKER_04 23:36

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_00 23:37

There's a good way to judge a jump scare. So it's it's gotta be the feeling that it creates inside you. And that feeling could be related to the same feeling you would get when someone like jumps into your lane when you're driving and you don't realize it until you think you're about to hit them, and you think, like, oh my god, it's too late, I'm about to hit them. And like all the pins and needles go on, like the back of your neck is just like lit on fire. Or the feeling when you wake up and it's 11:30, and all you think is I was supposed to be at work at nine. Oh that feeling that's like that's the feeling a good jump scare. It gets you, and then you realize, okay, I like I wasn't supposed to be at work, and you know, I'm off today. But there is a good jump scare in the middle of the movie that I didn't expect that I was like, oh, I'll give I'm gonna give them credit for that. There was a good jump scare.

SPEAKER_01 24:21

I can't wait to hear what that was because I'm at a total loss. And that I do remember this movie. Let's not confuse that for me not remembering. I really want to know what you classify as a good jump scare.

SPEAKER_07 24:31

I'm sure it's the same one. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:33

I also cannot uh Chris.

SPEAKER_04 24:35

I have no idea what they're talking about. It's the middle of the movie that startles me. It's the whole anything but the end that startles me.

SPEAKER_00 24:43

It's not a necessarily scary moment, but the way they employ the jump scare creates a small version of that feeling of oops, it's 11 o'clock and I'm supposed to be at work at nine.

SPEAKER_07 24:53

Totally.

SPEAKER_04 24:53

Yeah, I wasn't scared during this movie. I think Chris, you have a point about it being like kind of entry-level horror. I'm actually kind of surprised it's rated R, which I just looked at, and this definitely has a feeling of like a PG 13 movie. Maybe like if there was something in between, that's what this would be. Because it doesn't have like that super gory, I don't know, raunchy feeling of like a rated R movie. So I definitely agree with like the beginner-y feeling.

SPEAKER_08 25:17

I'm on the Ryan bus. I didn't really think it was that scary. The jump scares were uh they were jump scares, but it wasn't like the scariest thing. I don't know. They didn't really get me in any way. It was just kind of like, oh, he got got and that was it. But it was more of like a suspenseful kind of feeling. It was kind of like this person's being followed or somebody's watching. Like it was it was kind of one of those feelings. It wasn't really much of like the quick, like one split second. Like they had those and they put them in there, but I didn't really think overall they were that frightening.

SPEAKER_01 25:46

Yeah, there's one scene that I actually made a note of, Peege, that it was definitely gonna freak you out. I'm curious to get your thoughts on it later. Obviously, it didn't scare you, but I saw this one scene, I'm like, oh, what a great movie for Peege to come back to.

SPEAKER_00 26:02

Yeah, I think I know which one you're talking about. I think the scariest part about this is really just a chain of bad decisions by the main characters. And what's scary about that is like you're like, one day I hope, you know, if if you're like me, you're like, I hope to be a parent and I hope to raise kids who can understand and embrace logic. And if they were ever to make the chain of decisions that the characters in this movie made, like I don't know how I would react. Because it just takes some common sense and common decency for this movie for the story in this movie rather to never happen. It would take like two seconds.

SPEAKER_04 26:40

Yeah, to me that's what made it unscary because as soon as the you know point of the movie occurs, I'm like, that's a bad idea. Right. And also, for sure, not well, you know, this is 20 something years ago. So maybe they'd get away with it at that point, but clearly now they're not getting away with it. And I'm judging them for being so dumb to even try the things that they were trying. And I'm judging the ones in the movie that were trying to make the right decision and were let themselves be overruled.

SPEAKER_00 27:09

Yeah, that's the worst part, is like someone like actually knows what's right and wrong and still just like sits back and is like, okay, I can't, I can't uh tell everyone else what to do, and I'm not even gonna go around them to do the right thing. It just it reminds me of this movie Bully, which is based on a true story where a group of friends are tired of their friend, if you will, who's like the neighborhood bully is a total douche to them or whatever, and they like they set up this scene to like kill them. And this happens in real life, and it's horrifying. The movie is is so intense when you get to that, it's it's crazy. But it just like reminds me of that where they're like teenagers do not know what to do with their lives, even ones that are like well-educated and well-intentioned still sometimes make some really stupid decisions. That's what's that's what's truly scary. You're like, man, teenagers are just like you can't trust them.

SPEAKER_04 28:00

I don't think you can blame this on being a teenager. This guy was just a D-bag.

SPEAKER_00 28:04

Right.

SPEAKER_01 28:04

Yeah, this movie really what plays out here is the sum of toxic masculinity and alcoholism put together.

SPEAKER_07 28:13

Well, you said it.

SPEAKER_01 28:14

Plus being a privileged douchebag. Those three things, it's like an unstoppable fire for the character in this movie.

SPEAKER_04 28:20

I'm just saying, I was a teenager once. I am making decisions like this.

SPEAKER_00 28:24

Yeah, same.

SPEAKER_04 28:25

But I was raised not to make decisions like this.

SPEAKER_08 28:28

I think this is that kind of movie where it's like especially like since we're talking about that, um, the situation they put themselves in and the decisions they make, there's a lot of like, man, wouldn't that suck if I was in that situation? Like some of those characters, you know, they didn't really have anything to do with it. And then um some of those other characters were like, Yeah, I mean, like making the bad decisions, you know, that we think are obviously wrong. And um, it was kind of like a man, I hope this works out for them. I hope things kind of play out in the future. And you already know like they have a pretty like bright future ahead of them, so you're like, man, what if something happened to me like that? Like, what would I do? And would I be willing to risk all of that with the choices that these characters are making, you know? And I think that's what made the movie interesting to me and maybe took the chill factor off of it. It was more of like uh, gosh, this would suck. Um, but I mean, there were things they could have done to prevent all that from happening.

SPEAKER_00 29:26

Yeah, I feel like when somebody does something really messed up or makes a horrible decision and they're like, I can't believe we did this. My first reaction is gonna be, what are you talking about? We you did this. Exactly. There's no we here. There was a we up until that point. Now there's just a you.

SPEAKER_08 29:40

It's kind of like when um, you know, one of the things I'm really afraid of with like social media, especially, is like you're just in the wrong place at the wrong time. You don't even need social media, you could still end up in that photo tag somewhere, you know? And that's kind of what happens to some of these characters. They just get dragged into this. They're like, oh, I just happen to be in this car. Like this guy, you know, like I'm not gonna give any spoilers right now, but it just everything just kind of played out the way it was, and it was just wrong time, wrong place, and with these wrong people.

SPEAKER_01 30:06

Absolutely. Now, looking at the way the story plays, right? You know, just as you say, wrong place, wrong time. Yeah. This movie is based on a novel from the 70s of the same name. They definitely take a lot of liberties, they change up some things. Um, and there are a few ways that you can look at this, right? You can put one hat on and see like this is a story of innocence loss, the reckoning of teenagers, because now they gotta be adults, and now their fantasy world is over, now they have responsibilities. Or you can just put your other head on and be like, oh, okay, no, it is for sure just a run-of-the-mill slasher where a bunch of teenagers are being hunted by a mysterious figure, and it's a who-done it story, a revenge story, and there are even elements of like urban legends kind of mixed up in there. So at its core, it is not in itself the like cutting edge of originality, right? But compare this to slasher, other slashers that came out around the time, and this one definitely does try to have a little bit more substance, and that could be to its detriment, that could be to an its to its advantage. We'll find out in a bit. But it definitely does hit a little bit differently, despite all those common factors. What about you guys? Or did you find anything original in this?

SPEAKER_00 31:24

It's weird to answer this question because I think all of us might have a little bit of a feeling of it doesn't seem original because I've seen so many other things that have the same story. But the real question would be in 1997, was that the case? So it's it's hard to look back because how old were we back then, and had we even seen the movie at that point? I I think if you're watching it, it just doesn't feel that original, but I don't know how it was when it came out. I don't know if it felt brand new and if it felt like different. All I know now is we've seen the story so many times, applied to so many other genres.

SPEAKER_03 31:57

Yep, I agree with that a hundred percent.

SPEAKER_08 31:59

I think this movie definitely belongs in the nineties. It's just, I mean, there's just so many films like this, uh like the aesthetics and everything. It just it just feels like the 90s. I don't think they could make a movie like this today and and really maybe be as successful. Like, I definitely don't I'm tired of remakes. I really am. Um, but I would not want them to so I would not want to see a remake of this now. And I honestly wouldn't be surprised if somewhere out there somebody already has done it with just a new title. Um because the plot itself seems very uh generic, at least like the beginning and then just the end. But everything else in between has its own play in it, and um that's where like the crime thriller kind of comes in a little bit. I don't really know if like you mentioned a book was written and this is based off a book. I don't really know if the book was written to like scare people, or if this was a book that was kind of like many other books, a crime thriller.

SPEAKER_01 32:57

That was more like a thriller. This is like this script actually intended intentionally turns it into a horror movie.

SPEAKER_08 33:04

And it seems to try to set it up like that with um what you learn in the beginning before everything hits the fan. Um they kind of like give you some perspective as to like, oh yeah, maybe this is a real thing, or it's funny they're talking about this now, this could happen later. And then it, you know, like the whole tail, telltale thing that they have going. Um I think that's kind of their leap into horror a little bit, and then I have it actually happening, plus despite the fact it should have been PG-13, like Ryan said. I mean, there was some blood and they tried to make it a little bit like some jump scares, but that's kind of where it is on the mark for me.

SPEAKER_07 33:41

Now, Page, hear me out. You mentioned social media earlier. Now, what if there was a remake of this movie where somebody saw what happened, caught it on camera, and sort of used social media to blackmail the group of people. How does that sound?

SPEAKER_08 33:56

I think that has actually made been made in a movie already, though, hasn't it? Um It was more recent.

SPEAKER_01 34:01

Isn't that Unfriended?

SPEAKER_08 34:02

What Unfriended, is that what it is?

SPEAKER_03 34:04

Maybe it's similar. I'm such a good idea, Pierce.

SPEAKER_07 34:08

I was gonna I was gonna trap Peege into admitting that he would enjoy Pretty Little Liars. That's where I was going with it. I feel like I've seen it before, honestly.

SPEAKER_08 34:16

I just I just can't recall.

SPEAKER_00 34:17

Yeah. First of all, look at the cast of Pretty Little Liars and tell me anyone would not enjoy that. How could you not enjoy it?

SPEAKER_01 34:24

It's so good. Shea Mitchell stole my heart.

SPEAKER_07 34:26

Shea Mitchell has a gorgeous home, by the way. I watched an architectural digest special going into her house and it's stunning.

SPEAKER_01 34:32

I thought you were gonna say you went there.

SPEAKER_00 34:34

I was hoping for an MTV Cribs reference, but it's okay.

SPEAKER_07 34:37

Well, Architectural Digest has this new show where it's like cribs but better because it focuses more on like the good stuff.

SPEAKER_00 34:42

No escape rooms or like rooms like gilded with gold all over.

SPEAKER_07 34:46

Yeah, or like a 15-minute segment in their in the parking garage of all their cars.

SPEAKER_01 34:49

Come on, that's the best part. So earlier you guys were talking about the uh the ending and and Paris. I know you got got in the ending a little bit. I would say this wraps itself up pretty conclusively and then just tosses that idea right out the window. How did you how did you guys feel about the ending?

SPEAKER_07 35:04

It was conclusive yet ambiguous, which is just a contradiction.

SPEAKER_04 35:08

I think Mackenzie hated the end end. You guys know I'm always trying to predict what he thought. Um the sequel baiting in this movie is astronomical, truly remarkable. Honestly, I don't know that I've ever seen sequel baiting the way I've seen it in the at the end of this movie. Um generally in the end, it was okay. That's how I felt. I don't like when they like re-explained a bunch of things that meant nothing. There were some parts of the story where I was like, didn't need that, but it was okay.

SPEAKER_00 35:40

Okay, so let's let's talk about this because maybe one of you guys knows the the title of the sequel to this movie. What's what's the title?

SPEAKER_03 35:49

Oh, would that be uh I still know what you did last summer?

SPEAKER_00 35:52

And amazingly, at the end of this movie, there's a direct reference to that.

unknown 35:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:58

So yeah, it's it's not my favorite ending. The sequel baiting is hardcore in this movie. Now, the lead up to how there could be a sequel, huge fan. Because I always like there to be a reasonable like backstory to how there could be a sequel to any kind of movie, whether it's whether it's a Star Wars movie or you know, a horror movie or or whatever. So I actually like how they set that up. But I just the fact that like they had to show that, like, hey, we're gonna make this into a franchise, just just calm down. This isn't Avengers, they can get away with that because we all know it's Disney and whatever. But this was this was a little bit painful to watch at the end because I was just like, We I know there's a sequel personally because it's been out for however long, but just watching it and seeing it like basically written in front of our eyes, sequel coming whenever uh not fun. So, yeah, not not my favorite ending, but the lead up to the fact that there could be something else, I was actually okay with.

SPEAKER_04 36:55

I think that last bit speaks to the time that this movie came out because like I think if a movie came out like now, you're assuming that most people are gonna watch it streaming, and I don't think you would do something like that at the end, but like if you think of like a 90s okay, if you think of the Scream 2 um movie theater where it's just like so much energy and excitement about going to the movies, and then this like at the end of the movie, I think it is 100% due to what year this came out, um, why they felt the need to do something like that. And I'm sure it was very exciting for two seconds in the theater.

SPEAKER_00 37:29

Yeah, I mean it's definitely the zeitgeist. It's like when you watch one of those shows from that time and you get to the very end of the show and it says like name of show will continue and then they get canceled. It just like it just hurts. It's like don't even give us that. Just like end the story and let us be okay with another story happening if it happens.

SPEAKER_08 37:47

To be honest, I really did not have much thought on this ending. I just knew there was a second one and a third one, and the way that it did conclude, like it was just like crash over, you know, like it was just loud and then over credits roll, and it was just like, uh, okay. Like you can miss it in the blink of an eye. I thought the way that they did it was a little bit corny.

SPEAKER_01 38:07

So it was bland and generic is what I'm taking away from that, because you didn't have much thought towards it.

SPEAKER_08 38:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:13

So this movie may have landed with a little bit of a measure of blandness or being generic. And hey, that may be indicative of what's to come here shortly, but let's start making our way to our scores. Before we do, Paris, you do the body count for us?

SPEAKER_07 38:29

Yes, I do. It is six, and it's a clean six, but I had a few questions about that. We can unpack that after.

SPEAKER_01 38:37

Okay, that's fair. It's it's a pretty decent 90 slasher body count, I would say. And Ryan, how many of those six are animals?

SPEAKER_04 38:46

So I would say there's no animal deaths. However, I guess it all depends on if you're a vegan or not. Um, this is a fishing town. So take what you will from that.

SPEAKER_01 38:57

Well, thank goodness there are no animal deaths in this, because that might have been a little bit too much to bear. But now that we have that bloody stuff out of the way, let's get down to business. I know what you did last summer from 1997. Was it a hack or a slash?

SPEAKER_00 39:10

I I'd love to go first. It was a slash. I found the movie to be entertaining and to bring me back to a simpler time. It has a weird feel. And if I think if you were perhaps not around back in the late 90s, you may not be able to relate to this feel. But go re-watch The Office or Parks and Wreck or some other like TV show that like brings back a certain feeling in you, whatever that show is. And that's kind of how I'm feeling now. This brings me back to a time that I look upon with uh you know a little bit of lightheartedness. So while we're watching it, there's basically three people in their 30s at some point in their 30s, and we were entertained, you know. We we enjoyed watching it, giving lots of feedback while watching it, making lots of jokes. And so I can't really hate on it. We weren't making fun of it, we were kind of making fun of the things that it was referencing inside of the script, and you know, bringing in our modern interpretation to it. So I'm I gotta I gotta give it a slash.

SPEAKER_08 40:10

Yeah, I think I was making a lot of fun of this movie when I was watching it. But because of that, I'm I'm gonna give it a slash because it was fun. I just enjoyed like these characters and like the decisions they were making. I was just thinking of so many different things and giving it my own references and like quoting for the characters themselves, even though that's not what they were saying. And oddly, I liked doing that in this film because it was just funny, and I I I mean, I got my rocks off on that, so I mean, I guess I enjoyed it. So I think it'd be wrong for me to say that. Uh, it's a hack, but um, you know, if you're a viewer like me and you do that kind of stuff, then you might like it.

SPEAKER_07 40:47

This movie had a lot of overacting, but it also reminded me of three very specific movies, and I thought I was like, is this like a ripoff? Like, what's going on? And those movies are Cruel Intentions for obvious reasons, The Craft, for maybe less obvious reasons, and Drop Dead Gorgeous. Now, these three movies are actually three of my favorite movies of all time. So, for this to bring so much of that energy, I can't help but give it a slash. It's not the best. There's a lot of things wrong with this movie. Like, obviously, it looks like Jennifer Love Hewitt went to the same acting school as Kristen Stewart because they're both doing that like weird thing that they do. Um, but in the end, I love Sarah Michelle Geller. I love actually pretty much everybody in this except Freddie Prince Jr., and I don't hate him. Um, and it gave me so many moments of joy just like watching this like small town, these kids make like a really stupid murder pact, which like I love a murder pact, uh, and just watching it all play out. So I wasn't mad. I loved a lot of the dialogue, some of the writing in there was actually really like uh cheeky, and I like that. Um, so this gets a slash, and this is also a second slash in a row for me because I just slashed Midsumar. So we are on a roll right now. This is unprecedented.

SPEAKER_04 42:03

I literally can't believe the words that I'm hearing. I'm blown away. I feel like our listeners, if you're driving, like you may have just gotten to an accident when Terry said slash.

SPEAKER_00 42:15

Hopefully not.

SPEAKER_04 42:15

Hopefully not, but like if you did, I get it. I don't agree with anything you guys have said. I didn't enjoy the writing in this movie. I feel like, you know, there's one scene in particular which is very close to the beginning, so I don't mind saying it. And I actually text Chris because they said his who is it? And then they said, I don't know, his face is all beat up. As if they were just gonna recognize a human that they've never met before. Like that was their their way to figure out who he was.

SPEAKER_01 42:42

I don't know, maybe that's silly. And it was when I received that text and I saw the first quotation mark and knew she was quoting this movie. Then she was gonna hack it.

SPEAKER_04 42:52

I very frequently will just send completely out-of-context quotations to Chris of things that I find ridiculous in the movies that I'm forced to watch for you people. It's a good beginner horror, I think. Um, I think there is some fun to be had. However, I feel like I have to defend my 90s. Like this is it has the look of 90s horror, but my theory is that this is somehow ahead of its time because this like story and plot and dialogue and everything, I feel like is more suited for like early 2000s. And so it doesn't give me the 90s thing that I want. It doesn't give me that feeling that I enjoy from 90s where I'll let the silliness slide sometimes. And then also, like, just the whole premise kind of gets thrown out the window for me because I think it's ridiculous altogether, which is my fault. I have to let myself believe in things and horror, and this is just not one of those that I could go with. I needed my sauce. I needed some Polynesian and barbecue with a little Texas Pete, and I didn't get it here, so it's a hack. It's not the worst movie I've ever seen. This is definitely one has nothing to do with what I would recommend to somebody, it's just for me, like, I don't know. Watch this again, you know.

SPEAKER_00 44:01

So this is you ordered all those sauces and somebody gave you mustard?

SPEAKER_04 44:04

Dude, if you gave me mustard, I would go get my own food somewhere else. Mustard's truly the worst experience on this earth. I wouldn't even eat the food just because it's been in a bag with mustard. But this isn't that bad. This isn't that bad. But it's just like I didn't have my sauce.

SPEAKER_01 44:19

Mustard is to you what lettuce is to me.

SPEAKER_04 44:21

Yes. Don't let it near me, please.

SPEAKER_01 44:23

Well, that was uh a turn that we took. Much like these young kids took a turn and changed our lives forever. Um this is a very specific movie. It's a very specifically late 90s slasher that airs more on the side of caution while still being rated R. It is very whodunit, and it does have that all-star cast. But here's the thing there are quite a few flaws with this, and you know, when looking at when looking at my list, I do have like a lot of red highlights, like things that I disliked. But the thing is, a lot of those things are narrowed down specifically to two people. And those people do not ruin the movie for me. This movie was still a nice smooth ride, it still just put me in this little time machine back to 1997 when everything was fun and I got to just sit at home and watch dope horror movies all the time. This it was watching this, watching Scream, watching Urban Legends, but that was like the trifecta of my late 90s experience. So maybe this movie is buried in nostalgia for me, but I will say this Jennifer Love You It was better in this movie than I think she gets credit for. And Sarah Michelle Geller deserves better. I want to see Sarah Michelle Geller in more horror movies. That's what I really want. But with that, it gets a slash. It's a fun time, just like Page said.

SPEAKER_04 45:50

I just can't believe I'm here on this side by myself. And I truly thought that Paris had my back here. I thought we were the same, I thought we understood each other, and then it now it's just me, a lonely hacker standing alone.

SPEAKER_07 46:02

I'm surprised it wasn't 90s enough for you because it was like just like so 90s. All the outfits?

SPEAKER_03 46:07

I it was just the outfits. Everything else didn't give me the 90s vibe.

SPEAKER_08 46:11

You know, I only had three years in 90s of my life, and I liked it.

SPEAKER_00 46:14

So do you feel like one of those people who absolutely loves friends, and everyone in the room is like Friends was a horrible TV show?

SPEAKER_04 46:21

No, Friends is like, okay. Friends is cool. Friends is like a background TV. I'm not particularly like uh convicted of it.

SPEAKER_07 46:29

These are facts. Friends is kind of overrated.

SPEAKER_04 46:32

I think if this went more rated R, I would have been on your side. I think that's the thing. I think with the gore or something.

SPEAKER_01 46:40

Look, Ryan, I'm sorry that you're there alone. But four out of the five of us here had some fun with this movie, and I know what you did last summer got a slash. As I mentioned before, you can definitely find this movie streaming on Shudder. Don't try to watch it in the TV app, I guess, because you might have some sound issues. Go straight to Shudder and just watch it there. Save yourself the trouble. Check it out, and we'll see you in a bit.

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SPEAKER_01 47:54

Alright, welcome back. I know what you did last summer. Got four slashes and only one hack, which I know Ryan will defend, so it's okay. Uh, before we get into all the good stuff about this movie, there is the matter of gore to attend to in Alexis' absence. And it's no joke, guys. Like we all know it, it's no secret. Very little gore in this movie. How do you guys feel about that?

SPEAKER_04 48:17

Man, I think when you consider I'm like stepping in for Alexis here because I knew she wouldn't be here, and I feel like I have to defend her honor. To have the weapon of choice for almost all these kills or most of these kills be a meat hook, which is like super violent, right? Like it's this gigantic metal hook that I mean you just can see it like ripping through people. The first kill that we get, well, the first kill from the killer, um, that we see on camera, is so nice and like really pulled me in. And I was like, oh snap, like if this is what we're on board for, if this if this is what is in store, I'm on board. Like, um, the way he was even just pulled away, and there's like a trail of blood and everything. And then as the kills continued, I feel like it was just less and less and less, and like uh, you know, pretend hit and then blood spattered on the glass. And, you know, instead of showing us the actual, you know, hits, it's showing us the face of the victim where they're going, oh, and like, I don't know. That just doesn't do it for me. I don't want to see a guy getting hit what his facial expression looks like. I want to see him get hit. Did not get your rocks off. No, it didn't do it for me. I didn't feel it. It what it just the first one really made you think it was gonna be different than it ended up being.

SPEAKER_07 49:43

You're totally right, Ryan. Another thing that was definitely missing from these kills was like the audio element, because so many times he would like stab somebody with this like fishy meat hook, and you would hear like the sound of like a punch or like a thud. And I was like, this needs to sound piercing, this needs to sound moist, this needs to sound wet and bloody and juicy, and it didn't at all.

SPEAKER_04 50:02

I noticed that during one of the last kills. I was like, ah, these sound effects are very meh.

SPEAKER_07 50:06

I think he was using the blunt end.

SPEAKER_04 50:08

So the kills were too dry for you. Yeah, there were dry kills. I had some dry kills here.

SPEAKER_08 50:14

I just don't get it. Why, why the meat hook of all the weapons?

SPEAKER_04 50:17

It's also kind of like counterintuitive because the sharp part is pointing back at you. So it's like maybe not the best weapon.

SPEAKER_08 50:24

I don't know. I just thought like he used that hook in so many different ways. It was like the most like it was like he was like advertising it. He was like, You want to see what a hook can do? Let me show you. Like that's that's what he seemed like he he was doing.

SPEAKER_00 50:37

You know what I thought was weird was we have a hook. We have the potential for some amazing kills of our main characters, yet we didn't see any gore with uh our main characters at all.

SPEAKER_04 50:52

Nope, none.

SPEAKER_00 50:53

We got to see a little bit of the actual like death of some of the side characters. But if you think of like the main characters, at least the two that I can remember that we got to see taken out, like we just got to see the fact that they died.

SPEAKER_08 51:06

Yeah. Like when they got got, I think the most you would see is just some blood.

SPEAKER_00 51:10

And really, that's about it. Did we even see that for the for the two?

SPEAKER_03 51:15

A little.

SPEAKER_00 51:16

Like a little? Yeah. Like a droplet. And that's that's not enough. When we get to see some characters that we're not really attached to get taken out, and we get to see their facial expressions, and we get to see the impact. But for the main characters, we get to see the fact that it happened, but not the actual kill itself. Like, what a missed opportunity.

SPEAKER_08 51:33

So there were a lot of scenes where it was like, oh yeah, there should be a dead body there. Like somebody just died right there. Like you just saw it and you saw like a little bit of blood, and you see a little bit more blood, and you're like, oh, okay, this one must be pretty graphic. Well, you expect to see that when they get there, you see some of that gore, and there's like nothing there or nothing suspicious. So I'm thinking, man, not only is my guy using a hook, he's using bleach or something, he's like cleaning as he goes. I have no idea. Like, there was a lot of scenes like that where I was just really confused.

SPEAKER_07 52:03

Like, what is going on? He's gonna have to be because how can you move that many crabs out of a trunk and then the trunk be bone dry in a matter of minutes?

SPEAKER_01 52:11

And not smell. Okay, here's the thing right, a constant issue, a persistent issue is the lack of acknowledgement of the sense of smell. Obviously, the audience can't smell, right? However, Jason Voorhees, that man is undead and also is in the water. He's gonna smell rotten. How come you can open up that trunk with such gusto that that wind doesn't permeate like the smell of crabbiness?

SPEAKER_04 52:41

Literally, my first thought was I know she's gonna say something like it still smells like crabs, right? She has to. Have you smelled crabs before? It doesn't go away quickly.

SPEAKER_07 52:50

It would never go away out of that trunk.

SPEAKER_04 52:52

I I would yes, I would like I would argue a dead body and crabs would the scent would never go away. You would have to sell that car and be like, just so you know.

SPEAKER_08 53:04

I swear. I even think there's a scene in there where like he like wipes the blood off his hook like with a like a wipe or something.

SPEAKER_01 53:10

That's how you're gonna do it in these COVID days.

SPEAKER_00 53:12

Oh man. While watching this, I thought to myself, actually, no, I said it out loud. I said a clean hook is a happy hook, it's just one big smiley face.

SPEAKER_01 53:18

I will say that uh Crab Max Fishy Road was definitely my favorite kill. Um, him just like getting taken off screen by only only by the means of that hook. And I think it's also because that actor in particular, I can't take him seriously for anything. You know, like I've seen him be in so many things, but he'll always be that one guy from Big Bang Theory.

SPEAKER_07 53:40

Yeah, that honestly, that death, also like the first death, just the hitting that man with your car and then like dragging his body all over town. Um, that had more gore than really the rest of it.

SPEAKER_01 53:51

And it is hilarious that later Sarah Michelle Geller says, we were so careful, and Jennifer Love You it has to say, were we, Helen?

SPEAKER_07 53:59

Were we?

SPEAKER_04 54:00

It's also um interesting the way they like explain away the whole beginning. Like, I I know that it mostly comes from one character trying to keep them from calling the police and everything. And these characters I don't think would have had any issues if they called the police and told the truth. But with that being said, it is funny that later the cops come in and the cop is just like a total annoying cop, like, doesn't want to listen to anything you have to say. It's a very weird dynamic that happens. Also, like she runs into the crowd and everybody like swarms her and like holds her hostage, kind of.

SPEAKER_01 54:33

Well, this crazy woman's trying to have an opinion about something swarming.

SPEAKER_04 54:37

It's this like weird hysteria thing that they're trying to I don't know. There's some interesting things that happen in this movie, but I'm telling you, it all could have been avoided.

SPEAKER_08 54:46

There's a scene at the beginning where um uh on the beach, like when they're telling the tales and stuff, and it kind of leads you to thinking this would be a really gory movie, and she was saying, like, oh yeah, no, he was like hung, and then he was beheaded, and there was like blood like dripping from his head. And I like I'm thinking I'm painting this image in my head, I'm like, ooh, that's pretty graphic. Okay, like you might be seeing that later, you know, just like a heads up. And nothing really came around to something like that. So kind of like setting you up for the gore, you know, or the suspicion, or typically how tales go, you know, and there's not really not a whole lot of gore to that.

SPEAKER_04 55:21

I would have loved a beh a beheading, it would have been great. That's all that's all we really needed. Just throw a beheading in there.

SPEAKER_01 55:27

You just wanted a contribution uh to the end-of-year best decapitation list. Bingo, you got it.

SPEAKER_08 55:34

So I will say though, Ryan, that scene you were talking about where the guy, like uh sorry, Max uh gets like hooked like through the jaw and like pulled through, that was probably like one of my favorite kills in that movie.

SPEAKER_01 55:44

It's also one of the only two that you see.

SPEAKER_08 55:46

Yeah, one of the only two that you see. And um, it was quick, it was quick, and you were like, Whoa, and that was like the first kill, I think it was actually aside from the person they ran over, but you know, yeah, who cares about that?

SPEAKER_01 55:57

But I will say this while his death may have been my favorite from a gore perspective, my favorite and simultaneously least favorite outside of that, like main character death was Helen because he was brutal with her. You had so much hope for her, and this you know, I can't I'm tired of seeing these movies from the 90s where Sarah Michelle Geller just gets got. And I know she's buffy, so I know we have a whole series of TV shows where she is the survivor. However, I wanted to see her pull through, and the amount of viciousness that was in that kill, I know we didn't see the blood, but to see him going in on her against those tires in that alley, it was brutal. You can only imagine what she'd look like.

SPEAKER_07 56:41

Yeah, and honestly, in regards to that, she did the same thing that she did in Scream 2, where she went upstairs and then jumped out a window, except this time she didn't die when she jumped out the window. So I was like, Oh, bitch, you got this, you can still escape. Um, but it ended up being really reminiscent of Wendy from the original uh prom night, where her kill and her chase scene was like a solid like 15 minutes long, and then she still died. So I too was disappointed by that, but I feel like she got enough of a of a fighting chance in there where it was like, okay, you really did your damnedest to get the hell out of here, and if it weren't for that fucking parade, you'd probably still be alive.

SPEAKER_01 57:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 57:20

Now I will say that my favorite death in the movie was actually the cop because he was supposed to be the the saving grace. It was like, okay, finally we have somebody that can actually figure this out and do something. And then he was one, like, put Sarah Michel Geller in the back where I feel like she shouldn't have been because she didn't do anything. Um, and then proceeded to not believe anything she said. And then even when she tried to warn him, she was like, The killer's behind you, like what I've been trying to tell you this whole time is happening right now. He was like, huh? And then just got got. And I was like, Well, that's what you get for being bad at your job. I just like how they get at that caution tape. He's like, Oh, looks like I'm gonna have to detour through the alley. Yeah, it's like, well. Also, she kicked through the back of that window, which I don't think you can do in police cars anymore.

SPEAKER_01 58:02

You don't know the power of Sarah Michelle Geller's feet. Those feet carried her through Scream too.

SPEAKER_07 58:08

In a strappy sandal.

SPEAKER_08 58:10

She had um she had heels on too, right? When she got out. I was like, man, you need to take those things off. She had a chunky strappy sandal. She made it though, she made it so far.

SPEAKER_07 58:19

I do love a death in an evening gown. That's something that I'm always a sucker for.

SPEAKER_04 58:22

She did look good in that dress. Can't lie.

SPEAKER_08 58:25

Yeah. Does anybody think that like what the killer was wearing was like kind of weird, strange?

SPEAKER_04 58:31

Is that what fishermen wear? Obviously, everyone in that town had that outfit. They saw it everywhere.

SPEAKER_08 58:36

Oh, yeah, there was a couple people wearing that outfit in that town. And what did they call that festival? Like the Croaker's festival? Like, I think that's what I read. Oof.

SPEAKER_04 58:46

As a side note, my favorite uh line from the movie was, Oh, is Miss Croaker gonna get sauteed tonight? Oh my god.

SPEAKER_07 58:53

Oh, how did I miss that? That's great. Who said that?

SPEAKER_04 58:55

Oh, the salt salty sister. Oh, as we like to call it.

SPEAKER_07 58:59

She had some really good bitchy lines.

SPEAKER_04 59:01

Elsa, yeah. Yeah, this is not what fishermen wear. And maybe at some point it was what fishermen wear, and maybe they wear it somewhere. But for this to be first off, clearly wasn't North Carolina, but if we're gonna go with it being North Carolina, I I don't know. That's one of the things I couldn't buy into is just the image of this character. Like, no one's wearing a slicker unless you it literally had to have been like Oregon or Washington, where it would be cold and rainy.

SPEAKER_07 59:26

Yeah, not North Carolina. There was too little rain to justify like the full hat look. He looked like the Gordon fisherman in all black.

SPEAKER_04 59:33

Yeah, you can definitely wear boots, but I don't know about slickers. I my family is not fishermen by trade, but are fishermen by hobby. Nobody has ever worn anything like this ever in their lives.

SPEAKER_01 59:45

Is the absence of the fisherman attire what's holding them back from being a professional? Maybe.

SPEAKER_04 59:53

Maybe that's what it is.

SPEAKER_08 59:54

Definitely like slowed them down, right?

SPEAKER_07 59:56

I mean, yeah. Honestly, it was a fisherman town for sure. And I don't know if we've covered this on the podcast, but if there's one thing I love, it's a pervasive nautical theme, which they really sold throughout the entire movie from top to bottom. So I love that element of it. That's part of why it got a slash. It was very specific. I didn't expect that going into it, but it was like, oh, this is a fisherman town, and that is actually the only thing we are about here.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:21

I also thought the killer kind of looked like Batman a little bit. I was getting like some Batman vibes.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:26

It was the scowling. It was the scowling from the little bit of his like jaw that you can make out.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:31

Oh, yeah. I could see that.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:33

Like a really sad Batman.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:35

One thing that did give away who he was, though, was like his nose or like what you could see. You could just tell it was an older guy. You were like, oh, I don't know about that.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:42

Like, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:42

Gave away a lot of things.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:44

I forgot. Like when we're in that scene where Helen is in the parade and she looks up right at him, and he's like waving at her with the hook, like, hey bench.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:52

So that was him.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:53

I forgot how clearly you could see his face.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:55

Yeah, and like nobody around him like was suspicious to like call the cops on him, or like, hey, there's like some guy up there waving a hook. Like, that's kind of suspicious.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:05

Why is that hook not back where it belongs in the fishery?

SPEAKER_07 1:01:08

Yeah, why does he have a hook on him in public? Like, that's just kind of weird. Jumping back to the beginning, I have a question that I wanted to ask you guys, but then after hearing everybody kind of allude to it before the break, I'm a little worried. But let's say, here's the hypothetical. We're all in a car and we hit a man, he's dead. Who is team murder packed?

SPEAKER_04 1:01:31

No one but you.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:32

Okay, wait. Who's driving? Is it just me?

SPEAKER_01 1:01:35

Yeah, it's just you.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:36

Ugh. See, for me, it's like if that happens, you know, you I would probably say leave the body and get the fuck out of there, and then just like move elsewhere, like to Europe or Australia, somewhere where you can just start a new life.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:50

I'm deeply concerned by the series of choices you'd say you make in these movies.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:54

I thought at least half of us would be team murder-packed. Let's just never talk about this again and just move on with our lives. Because like, it's gonna be so messy, and like you're just about to go to college. So, like, if you're gonna throw it all away, at least like throw it all away and like don't spend the rest of your life in trial or jail.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:10

Or, or hear me out, you just call the cops and say what happened. I am more team, don't be silly and look around more than you need to. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, because only one person here was like, Where if it was uh if it was a deer, where is it? As if deer don't run away after they hit cars. Oh, without him, yeah, all the time. So uh if anything, I would be team, you know, stop looking for stuff, but mostly not that.

SPEAKER_08 1:02:40

Okay. In this situation, I do not think he was actually dead. He did move and they did hit him with a flashlight in the arms and then threw him in the water where he obviously could not swim. So I would have been like team resuscitation, let's get him going. Yeah, this is true. I went through and I had to look at that part like three or four times. I kept rewinding because I'm like, somebody's hitting him with a flashlight. Like, what's going on? And I saw um it was actually Julie's character, the one you would I wouldn't suspect, who's like hitting him in the arms with a flashlight, this big old flashlight.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:10

Yeah, it was because he grabbed her. Like he was like grabbing her. That's why she was hitting him.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:14

Okay, well, with that being said, if you guys did oppose my murder pact idea, I promise I wouldn't like choke you out against the car like Ryan Felipe did. Are you sure?

SPEAKER_00 1:03:25

Definitely. I'm definitely not entering into a murder pact with anyone. I'm sorry. I'm going straight to the cops.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:30

I live in Australia now. Try and find me, hoes.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:33

So true. Okay, yes, Paris, you bring up an excellent point. Barry sucks. All right. And Ryan, I've always seen him as a complete D-bag because this is the first movie I've ever seen him in. And I just believe that he is a toxic, abusive alcoholic in his real life. Probably isn't. Probably a swell guy if he married Reese Witherspoon for a period of time. Not a fan.

SPEAKER_08 1:03:58

Man, when you do so good at your role, people think you actually are that acting.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:04

That is. Have you seen Cruel Intentions?

SPEAKER_01 1:04:06

I have not, no.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:07

He's very charming and very sexy in that, and you can see his entire butt.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:11

I'm sure I will like only none of those things.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:16

For me, I didn't really care for any of these characters. And that's part of what I think disconnects me from this movie. I think if it were different characters, and like that's it's not their fault that they're in something that I connect them to, you know, um, afterwards. But it is what it is, and I think that that's a big part of it for me. Um I can't think of one character that I enjoyed. I enjoyed looking at them, they're very nice to look at in this movie. Like our girl with the cropped tied halter, not halter, cropped tied button-up, sleeveless uh collared shirt.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:56

With the headband and the arm cuff. Truly.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:58

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:59

My mom had that outfit. It was iconic.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:02

So many good things happening. And I even like like the the difference between the way Julie and Helen were dressed, because they're totally different characters. But as far as who these characters were, no, thank you.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:15

I feel like pretty much everyone in this movie made a horrible decision at some point, or it was just a horrible person. So it's hard to really like pick one and you're like, that, you know what? I'm cool with them. Because pretty much everyone we're we're you know introduced to is kind of horrible in some sort of way. And even like, you know, in the second half when like we know what's happened and they're like trying to find their way out, as we start meeting more people, they're pretty horrible too. The cop, obviously horrible in this movie, doesn't believe someone who's like trying to like stay alive, of course. The sister can't react fast enough. You know, we're trying to run into a building. We're we're about to be killed, and we're like, let me in Lily pounding on the door. Oh my gosh, let me in. What happens? Gonna go a little bit slowly and like whatever, it's not a big deal. Oops, I don't have the keys, I'll go back and get them. And I'm just sitting here, like, come on, somebody be good.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:08

Just gonna say this very Halloween vibes with Lori and Tommy.

SPEAKER_08 1:06:13

It's just it's kind of painful. Gotta be honest. Yeah, I don't know. I don't care. Like, if I like if I were to ever, which I don't, if I were to ever like hate my siblings and they came up to a door like that and they were just screaming like, hey, help me, that'd be a really bad thing for me. Like, I just I can I just can't imagine, you know. I I just I can't see myself in those shoes being like, this person's like really screaming frantically. It's late at night, something's obviously up here. I don't know what's going on. I'd be a little bit afraid of myself, actually.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:42

And then to say, you could have just walked around the broad street entrance is open. Yeah, I mean, that's just like that's just terrible.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:51

Also, was she 40 in this movie? She's so old in this movie. I mean, I don't know. She just seems so much older than 32.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:58

So she would have been in her mid to late 20s. She seems 36, especially with that attitude.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:04

I think we can all agree that Elsa is a cold-hearted bitch. And yes, that is a frozen reference for everyone at home.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:11

I thought you were gonna make one, and I was like, don't do it, just let it go.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:15

Let's go. Oh my god. Too much to do this.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:19

So here's the thing. I want to I want to go back to this Barry choking out Julie moment because what frustrates me most about the way these characters are painted, yes, Helen is flawed. Julie is also flawed. However, Barry puts his hands on her, slams her up against a car, and what does Ray do? Hops around, I'm like, hey man, no, let her go. So fuck Barry and fuck Ray for not immediately getting him off of his girlfriend. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_08 1:07:49

That impersonation.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:50

And no, and and and additionally, here's here's the bigger issue there. And this is why big points for Julie's character in my book. Ray strikes me as the small town guy who doesn't actually deserve her. Like he's a nice guy, but like she's destined for greater things, and he's probably gonna end up holding her back. And he just keeps focusing in the movie on me and you, you know? So he attempts to tell her how she felt, right? So he's like, I know you hold me accountable. And she's like, No, um, I'm responsible for my own feelings and my own actions. Thank you, good sir. And then he tries to whole put the whole like you and me thing, and then she promptly reminds him that there is no you and me. She's the only one. Like she may have gotten like popped into this whole group of like reckless privilege. However, she is also the only one with any semblance of emotional maturity and intelligence.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:44

Of course, because she's the brunette.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:46

Yes.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:47

Facts. I actually, in the scene where she was getting choked by Ryan Felipe, I actually laughed out loud because she doesn't react whatsoever. She just has the most glazed over, dead look in her eyes, and she's like, fine, I'll agree to your murder pact. And I was like, that's honestly the best thing you can do when you're getting choked, is just like, don't give them the satisfaction of choking. But what was a good moment is the scene where Ryan Felipe went kickboxing and then went into the locker room and was very naked. That was satisfying for me as a viewer.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:16

Unsurprising.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:17

I feel like that's written into his contracts at this time in the 90s, where it was like, Ryan Felipe, if you're gonna be in a movie, you do have to show Nip. This is an obligation. They have a tiered kind of contract.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:26

It's like either you're gonna show us buttons or we gotta see at least nips.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:31

I actually I actually really loved a lot of the characters in this movie, mostly the two girls, Julie and Helen. Julie, she was kind of annoying, but you could tell she was like really smart and you know, had a good head on her shoulders with a lot of the things that you said, Chris. But for me, the all-star of this whole thing was Sarah Michelle Geller as Helen. Because you start off the movie, you know, she's at the top of her game. She like probably sailed through high school. She ended up as like Kroaker Queen, which is like she had everything going for her. And then this one shitty thing happens to her. And when we found out that one year later she ended up like failing at her acting career in New York and ended up as like a townie working in her dad's like general store, my heart like broke for her because I was like, oh, that's so embarrassing. That's like such a hard like slice of humble pie she had to swallow for everybody that she sees to be like, Oh, what happened to New York, Helen? And she's like, Well, it didn't work out. And she's probably said that a thousand times, and now she's like wearing a bumpet behind the counter of this fragrance thing. And it was just like really sad. And then she also got like a lot of really funny lines of dialogue. Like when they go to see the um the sister of the guy that they think they killed, she says two really funny things on the way in. She says, Angela Lansbury always has a plan, which is a reference to murder she wrote. And then she says, Jody Foster tried this, and a skin-ripping serial killer answered the door. And then that was a reference, obviously, to uh Silence of the Lambs. And then when they're in there, I thought it was cute that when they made up fake names, they chose Angela and Jody as the fake names. So I was like, you know, the writing in here, it might be a little basic, it might be a little cliche, but it's also a little bit clever too. And I appreciated the that relationship that those two characters had.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:16

To be fair, her failure is pretty common. I've I have a friend who did some modeling and had some success with it. Went to New York though and had her her small modeling career and is done with it. And I asked her, I was like, Oh, are you gonna get back into it ever? Because you're still pretty young. She's in her late 20s. And she was like, Nope, like that, that time's done. I did that. New York is done. So, you know, she had her she had her years probably more than most people get. And so, you know, obviously she's emoting that what it was a failure, and she's kind of embarrassed of where she is, but really she should be proud of the fact that she made it that far, that she actually tried and got out of her small town.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:49

She didn't put a whole lot of time into it though, which concerns me.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:52

Yeah, it's true.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:53

She's 18 or however old. It's also rich, too.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:58

I think it was also like, you know, when you live in a small town, everyone's like, Oh my god, you should be a model. And then you go to like New York and you try modeling, and most of the people are like, No, you like you may be small town a 10, but New York you're a six, and then just like swallowing that pill for her.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:12

It is tough to go from being the big fish in the small pond to being the small fish in a big pond. Like very different kind of environment. I like that fish reference.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:21

Yeah, it's good.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:22

Very topical.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:23

Oh, one more great line between the two girls. Uh, when they're trying to figure out, like after the crab scene, when they're trying to figure out like what the hell's going on. Um, Jennifer Love Hewitt is like, I don't know why. Why did blah blah blah? Why did he make coleslaw on Helen's head after she got that like botched haircut by the killer?

SPEAKER_01 1:12:41

I didn't even catch that line.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:42

I had to rewind for it because I was like, did she just say coleslaw?

SPEAKER_04 1:12:46

See, I caught that, but it didn't hit for me. The only one that hit for me was the croaker getting sauteed.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:53

That's great.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:54

Ryan, was there anything in this movie that had like a little shred of redemption? Obviously, not total redemption, or you would have slashed it, but anything that you enjoyed.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:03

The first kill. That's I mean, it's not that I didn't enjoy anything else. Everything else was just like meh. Missing seasoning. Yeah. It was just like cool, I'm watching a movie. I think I it feels ridiculous to say. I watched this movie for an hour and a half, and to the two things that I enjoyed were the outfits and the first death.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:22

That happens to me a lot, Ryan. It's not that ridiculous.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:26

It's hard. Um, but it's not because everything else is so bad. There are definitely some issues that I had, but it's just kind of all just like, all right, and here we are.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:36

Is there anything specific that you think could have made it better?

SPEAKER_04 1:13:39

I mean, aside from not any of this happening, uh I think the writing and the dialogue would have been where I'd like to see the most improvement. Um I don't have specific examples, but there were a few times where they would like mention something and without like the normal progression of time or thought or logic or anything, it would just be all of a sudden, okay, yeah, let's do that. And like if you don't think about it, it it works, it's fine. Um, but when you sit and like are watching characters that don't develop their ideas, they just all of a sudden are acting on them, if that makes sense. Uh it's just one of those things that just kind of like takes me out of it.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:21

The one thing I think would have added just a little bit extra Polynesian sauce to this waffle fry.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:25

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:26

Okay. Is after the infamous line, what are you waiting for? It's just like a really like close-up shot of just crying and tears and feeling like you're insane and no one believes you and you don't know what you're going through. Just like a moment of just being like, What the heck is going on in the world?

SPEAKER_04 1:14:46

Yeah. There was almost this moment where they could have made it seem like the people were just going crazy themselves, um, as far as there maybe not actually being a killer. Um, and I think if they like had had those sad like chaos moments that you could see in their minds, that would have added a bit to it as well. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:15:05

In my opinion, I think the best part of the film uh wasn't so much like the whole slasher killer uh type motive it was going for. I think it was more so just the beginning where things were going really well for them, they were out celebrating, and then they end up getting into that accident where they uh hit a guy. And it's interesting to see how now, granted, this is fictitious, but if this were to really happen, you know, what what people do when people outweigh like the risk versus the benefits, like when um like how much is too much? Like I could actually possibly get away with this, but am I okay with doing that? My like knowing I did this, you know, but at the same time, I'm going to be continuing all this good future ahead of me without you know possibly risking it. Um, you know, and not only that, like you're with you're with people too. So they're also kind of on the same page, but they're actually looking at each other and actually using each other more as like a leverage to like, oh, this is what we need to do. We kind of talked about like how we were disappointed that some of them just wouldn't stand up for themselves. Like they knew it was right and wrong, but it came down to the fact that, hey, this is what they're on board with. I need to do this way because this must be the best thing. I may not know something they don't know.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:15

Peer pressure.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:16

One bad apple spoils the bunch.

SPEAKER_08 1:16:18

Exactly. And and you know, like some of those people I don't think would have been in trouble because they were just kind of, as I said earlier, like the wrong place, wrong time. Undoubtedly, the guy that was crossing the street right there in like the middle of like wherever, I don't even know why. Um, it was just all chance. And so just how quickly that happened and just the fear of that happening to really anybody, you know, uh, whether you're the person getting hit or you're the one that just did that, and you're like, oh my gosh. Like, I feel like most people, depending, because this demographic is like a young teenage group, like they have so much more ahead of them, and they're looking at really good things ahead, and then they're just like, you know what, let's risk it, double it or nothing. Let's throw this guy in the lake or the the ocean, and we'll call it that, and we'll never talk about this again, and just how that plays out for them over time, where things turn out a lot worse than they thought, rather than being tried, now they're being killed or hunted, or um, so honestly, that was like the best part. It wasn't all of the film, but it was the thing that got things going. And that one thing though is what I really appreciated out of this movie.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:23

But can we also agree that had they actually killed him, they would have been fine?

SPEAKER_01 1:17:28

Yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:30

Had they actually killed him, they would have been fine, possibly, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:34

Hey officer, I was DDing. I did we did the right thing there.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:38

That's true.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:38

And then, okay, a part of the story that did need to exist was like the Billy Blue situation. Yeah. Yeah, it was cool that he went to talk to her. Like, I get it, I understand why he would, but one, why would he keep it secret? And then two, why do we need to know about it if it has nothing to do with anything aside from trying to make us suspicious?

SPEAKER_07 1:17:55

That's that's literally why it exists. He kept it secret because they hello.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:00

First of all, she was the best looking person in the store. Oh, you're right. She said we had a little thing for a while.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:05

Oh, yeah. She said he got sweet on her. Yeah, but they were sweet on each other.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:08

Yeah, they were sweet on each other.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:10

So let's get back to her, because Missy was like honestly the best looking person in this movie.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:13

She was the best looking person in this movie?

SPEAKER_00 1:18:15

Oh, yeah. What?

SPEAKER_01 1:18:16

You, sir, have a very specific taste that does not overlap with mine.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:20

I don't know if you guys agree.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:21

Maybe like potential-wise.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:23

Mac, they deliberately put her in a nude dress so she was I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:27

Maybe it's maybe it's the short blonde hair thing.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:29

Did you see the crocheted halter top?

SPEAKER_00 1:18:32

Look, it's like, you know, it's cool. It's like Etsy or whatever.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:35

But yeah, I feel like the fact that she wasn't played by Chloe Sauvigner was a missed opportunity.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:40

We were just, you know, not ready for that time yet. We're 10 to 20 years too early.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:45

I also have one final thing that I'm gonna be a Debbie Downer about. The amount of scenes in this movie that were obviously a set bothered me, especially the underwater death, not death. Like, I mean, I get it. I understand we're not really gonna be in a lake in North Carolina, Oregon, at night filming this, but um it's just so obvious. And like, like you said, Paris, there's there's no kelp forest. This is not finding Nemo. The lights that were streaming through the water were horrible. It was like the clearest water in a pool that you've ever seen. I had that whole scene was just cheesy to me, like cheese balls, like the giant plastic bin of cheese balls that you get from Walmart.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:28

I mean, that kelp forest was visibly plastic as well, so it wasn't even a great set.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:32

Bro, it was a fish tank.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:34

I had trouble watching that scene because so I I I like to swim in the ocean, Atlantic Ocean specifically. It's nice, it's salty water, you know, every now and then sharks eat somebody, whatever. I get it.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:46

No big deal.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:47

I can't stand swimming in lakes where there's like growth in the water. Like you get on the floor and there's like, you know, or whatever they call the floor of the sea, but you're in the lake, there's like plants growing up, there's like fish swimming around it, and you can like feel things touching you, and I'm not down for it. And they get in the water here, and supposedly in North Carolina, which we all know would probably not look like this at all. But there's like plants, what's going on here?

SPEAKER_04 1:20:11

Plastic plants, nonetheless. Where is this?

SPEAKER_00 1:20:13

Yeah, it definitely looks like the coast of the west. It's skeevy. I couldn't, I just I was like, no, don't get in the water, you don't know what's in there. There's something that's gonna like climb into your body and eat you from the inside out.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:23

If that's North Carolina, it's like brown uh like seaweed that's just kind of floating around.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:29

Yeah, I mean, I this movie is set in the southern part of North Carolina, but I've been in all parts of South Carolina, like heading up to North Carolina, and none of it looked like this. So I don't know what's going on here.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:41

I don't like when I can tell you're on a set. It doesn't make me happy. And there was a few scenes here where I was like, okay, fun times.

SPEAKER_08 1:20:49

I just thought it was absolutely hilarious when he dragged the the, he was like holding the crown and just like taking it with him. Yeah. And how Barry was just not about that. He was like, I'm getting that crown back for you. Well, that's evidence. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:01

I thought two things during this scene. One, if this was the horror movie we talked about being in in the hundredth episode, I would have died because I would have been underwater and couldn't swim. Uh two, I was thinking of how reckless it was that your boy saw the the guy open his eyes, had a firm enough grass, his eyes were open underwater, and then he still just went up and said, Alright, let's go. Like that guy could very possibly swim to the surface and get out. Yeah, but you just left him there without knowing he was dead.

SPEAKER_08 1:21:35

At that point, that's not manslaughter. I think that's more that's more homicide now. Your intentions are to leave him and die. That's basically it. Like, he's not dead, obviously. He's still got some life on him.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:44

Well, when they brought him to the water to dump him, wasn't that like murder when at least?

SPEAKER_08 1:21:48

Yeah, that was kind of premeditated without knowing he was not dead, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:53

We need our resident, like, you know, lawyer, like law checker. Either way.

SPEAKER_08 1:21:59

At the end of that, that should be homicide. They had signs of life in him, and they still chose to throw him in the water. And then nonetheless, as they saw him going down, he was going down to get the crown, his eyes open and still like strength with a grasp. You know, it's just that's just too much.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:13

Imagine thinking a fisherman wasn't gonna swim up and live.

unknown 1:22:18

What?

SPEAKER_08 1:22:19

And at that point, you know, if he were to survive that, and they maybe did change their minds, then they could be charged, like that would be attempted homicide.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:28

Why didn't they like use that opportunity to say, like, oh my gosh, you were drowning and we saved you?

SPEAKER_01 1:22:33

Obviously, that man.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:34

And he'd be like, I don't know what's going on. I have a massive concussion.

SPEAKER_07 1:22:37

That is smart. I'd rather live with that. I'm thinking, why didn't we just like hit him over the head with a plank and just like really seal the deal? And then go about our lives. Oh, Paris. Had he been murdered, the pact would have been fine. But he was not fully murdered, and that's why it was a problem, which is ironic because it ended up being that they weren't guilty of anything except stupidity. He's only half dead. Now, just before we move on, Ryan, I have a question for you because you're talking about the sets. I think that this is something that we can all universally appreciate, but maybe you won't. How do we feel about the fishing boat as a setting of like a final climactic scene? Because I really enjoyed it.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:20

I was fine with it. Um, maybe slightly unrealistic, but I mean, at this point of this movie, I kind of just let all that go. Um, because it really looked like the type of fishing boat which would have one internal room and external walkways, um, for the most part. But I mean, I was fine with it. I feel like at that point it did have to go that way. And I was actually pretty happy with him showing himself and talking to her without his whole getup on and getting her into his boat. Although running from one man into another stranger's boat is a very strange uh decision to make.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:56

She did hesitate for a moment. There was like a moment where she was just like, I don't know, but I don't trust him, so I guess I'll go.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:03

She like kind of didn't hesitate so she got into the boat.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:06

Like her hesitation wasn't it wasn't enough.

SPEAKER_08 1:24:09

I thought that was uh pretty cool. Like when he like clotheslined that guy with his arm. I was like, holy cow, like he took him out, like he's gone. Um, and then he like something something about that was weird though, because I'm like, who's this random person just like coming out of nowhere now for the first time, looking like he's helping?

SPEAKER_01 1:24:27

There are no good Samaritans in this town.

SPEAKER_08 1:24:30

Yeah, I know. And there's like one guy like at night at the docks, just happens to like swing his arm around the core, like, I'm just gonna wait right here. And when he comes by, I'm just gonna smack him in the face.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:38

I actually enjoyed the filming on a ship. It's kind of cool, or uh guess a boat in this case. But that's so difficult to do to one stand on a boat. I can't do it, it makes me horribly sick, and so I can definitely respect when people can, you know, stand and move around and get in and out of the water, because I'd probably be you know stricken with with vertigo and motion sickness and want to throw up all over the place. But it's kind of neat because if we think about a fishing boat, we're just imagining like there's like you know, you're on the top part and you go downstairs and there's like the place where you get your alcohol, but they have to keep all the fish, you know, in the ice and they have to have all these different chambers within the boat, and they have to have the engine. It's not just one of those things where you have a motor on you know attached to the back of the boat. So it's kind of cool to see them crawl all throughout this this fishing boat because the fishing boat itself could be the set to a horror movie. We could have one just set on a fishing boat. Nice and claustrophobic, but thankfully that's not the case in this movie. But I I really enjoyed seeing them kind of trying to maneuver because the killer's obviously in control in the situation, it's his boat, he knows what's going on, and the entire time I'm sitting here thinking, like, you know, he he's gonna get her because he knows every inch of this. At one point, she's holding on to a grate down to where he would, you know, obviously drop the fish, and all I could think of was House of Wax. I was like, he's you know, he's gotta chop her fingers off.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:03

Or stomp him or something.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:04

Or stomp him, he's got the hook, he's gonna hook her hand.

SPEAKER_07 1:26:07

Mac, when we were talking before the break about the jump scares, the one in the middle that got you, was it the one where the two girls left Missy's house and they're sitting in the car, and then Missy jumps at the window?

SPEAKER_00 1:26:19

100% because they're setting everyone up to be potentially the killer, and they obviously try to make her look a little bit creepy, you know, she lives in the country, she's a little bit eccentric. But I don't I didn't really expect her to show back up at their car. And so it was so sudden, and they I don't know if they made a sound or if it's my my my brain made the sound upon seeing her, but I was like, that was a solid jump scare because I don't think you truly expected her to appear at the car while they were talking.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:47

So look, I know that uh I don't really do this for many slashers because I just I have this love of them. So this movie obviously checks a ton of boxes for slasher tropes. Now, would you guys like to know if you please all of them?

SPEAKER_05 1:27:02

Let's do it.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:03

All of them? Okay, we're gonna do it really quickly.

SPEAKER_07 1:27:05

Rapid fire.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:06

Uh number one, you have the classic slasher group. You have the jock, the beauty queen, the nerd, and the final girl. Yep. Number two, teenagers accidentally commit a crime, but jump straight to Secret Pact instead of going to the cops. Yep. Authority figures don't believe the kids once someone actually speaks up about something. Yep. The killer is driven by revenge. Always. Here's your favorite: the killer can whisk away a full-grown adult corpse in seconds without leaving evidence behind.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:32

Plus crabs. That's the one that's that fisherman strength.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:35

The villain looks to be dead, but the audience sees his eyes pop open. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:39

As referenced in the screen movies.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:41

Phones are out of service. We saw this with Helen at the shop trying to make a call. Mm-hmm. When someone fears something bad has happened, someone shouts the other person's name. So Helen is upstairs. She thinks something's going on downstairs, and instead of just going down there to look or staying quiet, she Shouts Elsa, thus drawing the killer to her location.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:03

Here I am, echo location.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:05

The character is seemingly rescued, but they turn out to be rescued or helped by the killer. Such a good one.

SPEAKER_07 1:28:11

I would have got on that boat too.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:13

Number 10. Assholes and bitches never survive. I see you, Barry. This is a good one. The killer delivers several quick blows during their kills, but they will hold at least one for a few seconds for a dramatic pause. That's good.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:25

Yeah. As he says, Got him.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:27

The final girl stumbles upon most of the dead bodies by the end. We saw this on the boat when all the heads were on ice.

SPEAKER_07 1:28:33

That was a fun one.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:34

The killer walks and still manages to catch the victim. That's a given. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:28:39

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:40

Character finds a dead body, gets help, but when they get back, the body's gone.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:45

Oh yeah. That is pretty classic.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:47

A character turns around only to turn back around and have the killer right behind them. We have Helen in the alley.

SPEAKER_07 1:28:52

Ugh. You hate to see it.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:54

When being pursued, the victim just feels this natural urge to flee upstairs, then jump out of a window or a balcony.

SPEAKER_07 1:29:02

Also Helen? That's a trope because that's a Sarah Michelle Geller iconic move.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:06

Oh, yeah, it happens all the time. Have you not seen Scream? Oh, yeah, it happens in both Scream. Scream One and Scream Two. Uh there's some form of legend told in the movie. Dolls are used to creepy effect. Peege, the mannequins covered in plastic in the store. I thought for sure that was spooky.

SPEAKER_08 1:29:22

Yeah, yeah, no, it was. It was a little weird.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:25

This one's a good one. Characters often find cryptic messages or warnings written in red on a mirror. Always. So much red lips too.

SPEAKER_08 1:29:32

You know what this is reminding me of, Chris? This is a lot like Leslie Vernon's story.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:36

Yep.

SPEAKER_08 1:29:37

This is like the how-tos.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:39

Yeah, that that's absolutely it. And I'm disappointed that the hook or the fisherman wasn't included in that movie as part of the lore. But um we have your last view here. The slasher tends to be centered on a particular holiday or event, in this case the 4th of July.

SPEAKER_09 1:29:53

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:53

Killer enjoys grabbing victims through panes of glass, the shower at the end. When a character barricades themselves in, the killer's always either already inside or quickly finds another way in, i.e., going to that back door that was already open. The killer's name is anticlimatically really common, like Ben. Uh the slasher can hold her breath for a long time underwater, and turns out the killer's not quite dead. Always get job.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:17

Yeah, that's that's pretty clear cut.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:18

Some applause for that.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:19

But they followed the formula. Good for them. They did their job.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:23

And this one is a bonus one. It ran out at number 26. A lot of slashers tend to begin with a death sequence. This one did. We just didn't see all of it because it would have ruined the uh the big twist.

SPEAKER_07 1:30:34

This movie kind of reminded me of Scream if it wasn't like so meta. It was more like an untainted version of Scream. I feel like it could take place in the same universe where they weren't as like self-aware of being in a horror movie.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:47

Written by the same guy. So there you go. Now, obviously, this movie checks a lot of those boxes. Honestly, those are all boxes I love. Those are that's not a dig to this movie in any way for me. I think it's a lot of fun. But like Page was saying, there's a duel of morality in the beginning of this movie, and that's a thread that carries all the way through. So while this is your run-in-the-mill slasher, it does still try to have a little bit more substance, which I think helps set it apart from other slashers of its time. Now, we've talked about a lot, and I think we do still have a little bit to learn with factor fiction.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:20

Perhaps we do. Let's talk about beaches or bodies of water. Dawson's Creek is named after the beach in this movie, Dawson's Beach, as the show's creators are big fans of this movie.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:31

Fiction.

SPEAKER_07 1:31:32

Yeah, no, I'm gonna go with fiction too. I want to say fiction because I just feel it in my bones.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:37

I'm going fiction on a technicality here.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:40

Good choice. You were all correct. It is fiction because Chris, who created Dawson's Creek?

SPEAKER_01 1:31:44

Kevin Williamson.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:45

Wait, who wrote this movie?

SPEAKER_01 1:31:47

Oh, you mean the very same guy?

SPEAKER_00 1:31:49

Oh, that's right. You guys are so annoying. I hate you both. However, I like to imagine that the two exist within the same universe. That makes it more interesting. Talking about some of those beaches, this film is set in Southport, North Carolina, but was obviously filmed mostly in California.

SPEAKER_07 1:32:07

I can definitely get behind that. Yeah, these are facts. There's no massive cliffs like that on the ocean in North Carolina. Yeah, and there isn't.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:14

I think you're trying to finesse us because the first shot is clearly not shot in North Carolina. However, I don't think it was shot in California, all of it was shot in California, so I'm going fiction.

SPEAKER_08 1:32:25

What makes you think that any of it was shot in North Carolina aside from like license plates, though?

SPEAKER_04 1:32:29

No, you're right. I don't think it was shot in North Carolina. So maybe it was shot in California.

SPEAKER_08 1:32:34

There's a negative in there. I'd say it's all shot in California, hinting to towards Carolina. I don't know. I'm gonna say fiction there. I'm gonna say fiction.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:43

What just happened?

SPEAKER_00 1:32:44

I'm not gonna get tripped by views now. Let's let's let's bring it back and reduce some of the trickery. This is fiction. Okay. So the opening sequence obviously shot in California. That like winding road, that beach, that's so West Coast. But this movie was shot in a place called Southport, North Carolina.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:03

Really?

SPEAKER_00 1:33:04

Indeed, it was. Oh well. Which is pretty wild. There was also some scenes set in Raleigh, uh, or shot in Raleigh, rather, and some scenes shot in Duke, which you may recognize. Yeah. So it's it's it's pretty wild to imagine that they actually set a movie in North Carolina and mostly shot it in North Carolina. Okay, Helen's Family Store. That quaint little store where she goes upstairs where she should have just left the store. They shot that in an actual real store in North Carolina that also sells clothing and home appliances.

SPEAKER_09 1:33:32

Hmm.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:33

Why so specific? Fiction.

SPEAKER_07 1:33:35

I'm gonna say fact because I believe that this place exists. Whether it's in North Carolina, I hope so. See, yeah, I'm gonna go with fact.

SPEAKER_08 1:33:43

I'm gonna go with fact on that one.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:45

Fact.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:45

Yeah, this is a fact. So this is Harold's or Harrell's, or however you want to pronounce it. This is Harold's department store in North Carolina. This is a real place. Now, I don't know if in 2020 this place actually looks the same as it did in 1997 or 1998, but shot in a real department store.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:04

I would like to give this movie some credit for shooting a movie in the city or town that it was intended to be set in, and actually using some uh local stores and things that are important to them.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:17

Yeah, I think we're spoiled, you know? We get a lot of stuff shot in Georgia these days.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:21

Yeah, everything's like Georgia or California, that's it. So that's cool. I'd I'd like to I'd like to give them credit for that.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:26

Next one up, this is one close to my heart. Sabrina, the teenage witch herself, Melissa Joan Hart, turned down the role of Julie, played by Jennifer Love Hewitt.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:35

Fiction. I don't know why.

SPEAKER_08 1:34:36

I I don't know either. Um I'm gonna go on the opposite end and say f nope fiction. I'm gonna stay with fiction.

SPEAKER_07 1:34:42

I can't believe it. I'm gonna say fiction because 90s rules dictate that like the brunette dates the brunette, the blonde dates the blonde, and then like I don't think uh Melissa Joan Hart dating Freddie Prince Jr. would have fit that formula. Wow.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:56

Fact So this is a fact, she turned it down. And I don't know whose casting happened first, though. So maybe Freddie Prince Jr. was not cast yet. I don't know. Maybe they didn't figure that formula out yet. But yeah, she turned it, she turned it down. Fun fact Um, she's from a town called Sayville, which is in Long Island, New York. Guess who else is from there? This guy right here, me.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:19

Aww.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:20

Yeah, no, she's about ten years older than me. But uh, you know, she could uh Could have had a chance.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:26

You're from New York?

SPEAKER_00 1:35:27

Yeah, she could get it any day. Um, yeah, I'm I'm from New York. Yeah, Seyville, Long Island, my hometown.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:33

I guess I knew that. But Max from the world. Don't you know that? Yeah, that's basically what I think. There's not a place that he's not from.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:40

Alright, next one up here. This is an important one. Leonard. Leonard, Leonard. Fact. Fact. Totally fact. I don't know if anyone's seen Big Bang Theory, but Johnny Golecki, he plays Leonard.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:52

Oh.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:53

Paris and Parker are so confused.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:56

He's amazing. And, you know, as a proper nerd or geek or whatever, and a fan of Star Wars and Star Trek and on all the star things, Big Bang Theory sometimes was a little bit pandering and a little bit, you know, simplifying of everything that I hold dear to my heart. I still kind of like it a little bit.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:12

I truly cannot stand that show.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:14

You and my parents both.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:15

Oh, parents love it. It is such a like water with a drop of soda in it. Yeah. Don't give me that, you know?

SPEAKER_00 1:36:23

Yeah. But I'll gonna give it some credit because it brought a little bit of nerdery and geekery to the mainstream.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:28

It's too mainstream though.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:29

Yeah, that's true. That's all I have for you.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:31

Can I throw out a bonus fact or fiction?

SPEAKER_00 1:36:33

I'm always down for a bonus. We love a bonus round.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:36

Mac is excluded because he's the keeper of the knowledge.

SPEAKER_07 1:36:39

We haven't been keeping score, but this is winner takes off.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:42

Fact or fiction. The original writer of the novel this movie film is based on was actually really excited to see it be made into a slasher because it was a genre that she was hoping to get into herself. Fact.

SPEAKER_07 1:36:53

I'm gonna say fiction. She was probably mad about it. Fiction, cause I mean, I don't know.

SPEAKER_08 1:36:58

Well, actually, nope, I'm switching this. Facts.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:00

You just be stealing my answers.

SPEAKER_08 1:37:02

I just well, I mean, I need I need like reason to write a book, you know? Like, ugh. That's just me. I mean, if I'm gonna write a book, I might as well hopefully get into that kind of area of expertise.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:14

You trust me too much. It's fiction. She was mad at mad at it. And not only was she mad at it, she was mad at it because her youngest daughter was murdered by a stranger.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:25

Oh god. Oh my god. God.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:27

Think about how dark authors are.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:29

I won, but at what cost?

SPEAKER_01 1:37:31

Blood on your crown, good sir, just like Helen. Well, there you have it. Paris, congratulations on your win for winner take all. Uh I know what you did last summer from 1997. It is a classic 90s slasher, and it actually made it out scathed only by one hack for my carly grouper Ryan. It's an important hack. Don't devalue it. It is. And now I I do want to point out that she represents so many people who don't like this movie because if you look at the rating for this on Judder, it's two out of four stars.

SPEAKER_07 1:38:02

The lone hacks are often the most important.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:07

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