SPEAKER_03 0:04

Hold on, honestly, I'm not into men ripping off their shirts, but I'm into what Paris just did. That was great. Greetings and salutations, and welcome to Hacker Slash. If you're joining us again, welcome back. Let's get down to business. But if this is your first time listening, welcome to the party. We are a horror movie review podcast dedicated to telling you whether a movie is a hack, a total joke, a waste of time, or a slash.

SPEAKER_00 0:31

Totally killer, pun intended.

SPEAKER_03 0:33

My name is Chris. I'm your friendly neighborhood slasher enthusiast. This week I'm joined across the table by the Super Fly Space Guy Mac.

SPEAKER_00 0:39

Hola, Muchachos and Muchachas.

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To my right, the Gore Lover Lexus. Hey everyone. To my left, the coward the creeper Ryan. Hiya. And across the pond, we have the Shream Queen Paris.

SPEAKER_01 0:49

Hey sweets.

SPEAKER_03 0:50

Now this week we're breaking down a sequel to a campy summer camp horror flick we covered last year. But first we have some follow-up.

SPEAKER_01 0:57

We do have some follow-up, Chris. So recently we reviewed a little movie called Chopping Mall, and we asked our friends on Twitter how they felt about it. Now, in our usual hackerslash poll, that if you're listening to this right now, you should actually put down your phone and then go vote in the poll for this episode. Um, but it turns out for Chopping Mall, 65% of our listeners thought that it was a slash, and 35 thought it was a hack, which actually surprised me how many people really hold this movie in their hearts.

SPEAKER_03 1:24

Yes, this is statistically done better than many other movies that are far better than it. Yeah, I'm very surprised at 60 anything percent.

SPEAKER_02 1:31

It should be like 20% slash.

SPEAKER_00 1:34

Totally wrong. It's a slash. Get on, get on, get on the train.

SPEAKER_02 1:37

No.

SPEAKER_01 1:38

The general consensus in our comments was that a lot of people really thought this movie was funny. Uh Greg said that even though the robots have roughly the same aim as the Stormtroopers, which is accurate, this movie is a cult classic and therefore it's a slash. We also have Eric who said it's a slash 100% comedy that actually works, great kills, especially the head explosion, a fun sex scene, and Dick Miller. And I agree that head explosion was a great kill. The best kill in the movie.

SPEAKER_03 2:04

It was, but that sex scene was not a good one. Yeah. Or fun.

SPEAKER_01 2:08

I actually didn't even remember the sex scene.

SPEAKER_03 2:10

None of those words are the ones I would use to describe it. That's because the sex scene is when he asks, Well, you allowed it last week, didn't you? And then the other guy says, Use them like pepperonis. I don't like pepperonis. That was the sex scene, Paris.

SPEAKER_01 2:23

Yeah, their rent a center orgy that they had. Maybe maybe they just enjoyed it because it was group sex and that's what they're into. Well, gross. We won't kink shame anyone, Chris. We won't kink shame anyone. Anyway, that's our follow-up.

SPEAKER_03 2:35

Well, let's move on to better times. Uh, last September, we went back to 1983 and we took a look at a film that featured one of the most visually shocking endings in horror. And I know one of our friends said that Chopping Mall is a cult classic. This one is actually a cult classic of many cults, not just one tangential cult. This week, we're looking at the 1988 follow-up, which features little Angela Baker, all grown up, this time at a new summer camp. This week, we're talking about Sleepaway Camp 2, Unhappy Campers. And you know you're in for a ride with that title. Now, we know Mac and Alexis have seen the original Slepaway Camp. We all, the three of us, rated it a universal slash back in September. But Paris, Ryan, you both watched the movie recently, before, in preparation for this episode. What did you think?

SPEAKER_02 3:22

So going into Slepaway Camp, the first one, it's uh definitely a movie I was apprehensive about. Of course, it's in the 80s. It seems unenjoyable. It seems like not something I was gonna have a good time watching. Um, and I actually really enjoyed it. I would I would have gone slash if I was on that week.

SPEAKER_03 3:43

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 3:43

I know. Um, it definitely I felt like it was super original. My expectations were completely flipped, and then also I felt like it really played me as the watcher. Like if I feel like I got a trick played on me at the end, and I was cool with it in a good way. Um, so yeah, for me, that actually would have been a slash, and I feel so surprised by that. I was blown away when I watched that that I actually enjoyed it.

SPEAKER_01 4:08

Yeah, I went into the I went into the uh original the same way, Ryan. I thought it was gonna be shitty. Um, and in a lot of ways it was. Uh, but there were also a lot of redeeming qualities, like the fashions kind of unparalleled as far as 80s horror goes. Um, and just like you, the twist at the end, it was actually so satisfying. Um, and just like that, which I'm assuming is probably iconic, that visual that they leave you with in the end is just so impactful that I also do have to give the original one a slash.

SPEAKER_03 4:39

Wow, I'm so proud of you.

SPEAKER_04 4:40

Proud of both of you.

SPEAKER_03 4:41

Yeah, I'm not gonna lie. When I saw that we rated the original Universal Slash, I was a little afraid for its reputation, bringing Ryan and Paris into the mix to see what they would think.

SPEAKER_01 4:51

I know, we're hard to please.

SPEAKER_02 4:53

I mean, immediately I started texting the group chat. Everyone else had seen it, of course. So I start texting at the beginning of this movie, and I'm like, what is this garbage you guys have me watching? Um, but it ended up being so good. And like, I think I knew at the beginning it was the boy that survived. And then they played us the whole time, and then it was the boy that survived. And I I just love that. Um, and also Paris, them shorts though, the men in short shorts. How was that?

SPEAKER_01 5:21

Oh, it was lovely. I actually I was thinking because on last week's episode, I don't know if this went on, I don't know if this made it into the episode, but I went on record as saying I'm no longer a crop top gay, and I completely relapsed after watching that movie. I am once again a crop top gay.

SPEAKER_02 5:36

I think you still shouldn't be, but men in short shorts is the thing I'm trying to uh it's my platform that I'm running on this year.

SPEAKER_01 5:44

It needs to come back for sure.

SPEAKER_04 5:45

I love it. The little chubbies that guys are wearing now, that's what they're called. They're actually called chubbies. Yeah, that's a brand. The brand of shorts? Yes. Oh god. Paris Kane. That's ironic.

SPEAKER_00 5:56

Okay, so if you're into chubbies, whatever, step your game up. Look into silkies, they're the best. They're also called ranger panties. So if you search some Instagram for some ranger panties, you're gonna find some stuff you're probably gonna enjoy.

SPEAKER_03 6:09

That sounds exactly like something I would not Google. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 6:11

Indeed.

SPEAKER_02 6:12

I just need to clarify though, the muscle head guy, real tan, you know, that guy. Yeah, his he was wearing underwear. He was not wearing shorts. They he was wearing them out like they were shorts, but those were not shorts. Those were a little too short. But everyone else's swim trunks that were like upper thigh. It's a good look. I'm a big fan.

SPEAKER_03 6:31

Well, delightful. I'm so glad to know that this movie managed to survive. We'll see how you feel about the fashions and men in this movie. Now, while I had seen the original Sleepaway Camp several times in my life, I had never seen Sleepaway Camp 2 Electric Booglu. Had never done it. I think the reason why has is everyone here familiar with the rest of the Halloween movies beyond like Halloween one and two?

SPEAKER_04 6:52

Nope. Generally.

SPEAKER_03 6:54

Alright, so there's an actress named Danielle Harris who plays Jamie, Jamie Lloyd. Um, she's in part four and part five, and she gives a stellar performance as a young girl. Her character becomes an adult in part six, and my expectation would have been that she made it to part six, like as the actress. Like she's the only one who's ever portrayed this character, and then they replaced her. Um, and that would disappointed me. So when I heard that Phylissa Rose, who plays the original Angela in Sleepaway Camp, wasn't in Sleepaway Camp 2, I had no interest in watching it. But how about you guys? Had you seen this movie before?

SPEAKER_00 7:26

Definitely not. I don't think I had even heard of Sleepaway Camp until we recorded, you know, recorded it. So I guess I had semi-heard of this one simply because of the first one, but now I don't even realize I didn't even realize that there was a sequel, to be honest. I'm sure we may have discussed the fact during our recording of the first movie, but didn't really hear of it, never watched it growing up.

SPEAKER_04 7:48

Yeah, I had s known that it there's like multiple movies of this, like there's an entire, you know, sleepaway universe, but I never once had ventured past one. But you know what? I was very confident that I wanna watch three today, but I didn't want to get so confused because um two and three were filmed what continuously. So I was like, I don't want to get super confused on watching the two and then bringing up something that happened in three in the podcast.

SPEAKER_03 8:18

Great choice. I'm so glad you did that. But when we break from here, you're free to watch it. Thank you. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 8:24

Are you saying Peter Jackson copied Sleepaway Camp by filming back to back?

SPEAKER_03 8:27

Basically, but here's what else I would encourage you to do: do not do what I did. I watched two, then I watched three, then I watched Return to Slepaway Camp. Return to Slepaway Camp is misleading because it's hot garbage. Uh, the original director from the first Sleepaway Camp is back at the helm, and I shit you not. It is one of the most horrible things I've ever seen.

SPEAKER_00 8:47

Isn't it almost like 20 years later that they recorded it?

SPEAKER_03 8:50

It is, and it brings even brings back uh Ricky from the first movie, it brings back the um like one of the counselors, and Phyllose comes back in it as well. And somehow there it's not even those three necessarily that bring the movie down, it's everything else about it. So watch out. Jeez. Well, I was excited.

SPEAKER_00 9:08

Noted. Is that like watching one of the late 2000s like reboots where you watch it and you're like just pretend it don't exist, it doesn't exist?

SPEAKER_03 9:15

It's like if the guy behind Thankskilling made a sleepaway camp movie. Yeah. Oh, trashy. I know, I know more. But what did you guys expect from this then?

SPEAKER_04 9:26

It was interesting because I knew you were gonna ask this question because you ask it every week, but um I thought about myself, I'm like, what would I ever think sleepaway camp 2 would be about? Like it leaves off kind of the first one at this mysterious, okay, just cut scenes, so you don't know what it necessarily happens at the end. So I just thought there would be like another killer that had another camp, and it would just be like every other sequel to a slasher, 80 slasher, you know, picking up where the roots left off, or it might be another killer. So it was interesting.

SPEAKER_02 9:59

I think I'm on the same boat. I expected because the first one wasn't what I expected. Um, the second one I was thinking, you know, this should we'll probably go another route, like like you said, another killer, another camp, something like that. Um there's another camp, I guess, but that was I I don't know. I think the first one just sets you up to expect the unexpected. So going into this one, it's hard to know what you're gonna get.

SPEAKER_01 10:23

I totally agree. When my boyfriend and I watched this, we actually watched them back to back as a double feature. Um, so I didn't have a lot of time to process the first one before starting the second one. So I I started the second one with still kind of mixed feelings about the first. I wasn't sure if I liked it or not. Um, so going into the second, I was like, I we have to watch this, but I can't imagine it's gonna give me the same feeling that the first one did. So the the bar was lower than even the first one was because the first one actually surprised me so much.

SPEAKER_03 10:54

Does that make sense? It does. Okay, good. I hear you and I respect you.

SPEAKER_00 10:59

I initially expected it to be trash. I expected it to be like one of those like directed DVD sequels we get, you know, like Jarhead 2, where like not even related to the first movie whatsoever. But then I did myself the disservice of reading the summary or the description of the movie before even watching. I didn't even watch a trailer, but I just watched like I just like pulled up the movie and like read the summary. You know, that shows it to you when you're about to watch it. I know, but I like I just it was right there on the screen and and I read pretty fast and it was in my brain immediately. So what I expected was unfortunately another horrible ending shot of something I didn't want to see.

SPEAKER_01 11:38

Oh.

SPEAKER_00 11:38

That's what I was expecting. I was expecting to see the ending of the first one on screen again. Oh, that would be cool. I don't know if you I don't think that would be cool.

SPEAKER_03 11:47

Are you disappointed by the lack of penis in this movie?

SPEAKER_00 11:50

I am not disappointed. I'm very happy it didn't happen, but I was expecting it and I was like, please don't. I just I got enough on the first one, you know.

SPEAKER_03 11:57

I think this is the one acceptable spoiler, ladies and gentlemen. Uh, there's no penis in this movie, so there you go. Far from it. Boo.

SPEAKER_04 12:05

Lots of boobs, lots of boobs, lots of boobs, oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 12:09

First thing, you know what time it is. I had low expectations for this movie, given that I knew Felissa Rose wasn't in it. And then I did just a little bit of pre-work just to mentally prepare myself and get myself in that headspace. And uh, I was very surprised that Pamela Springsteen is in it. When it came down to the expectations, I saw the approach. And one of the first things that is revealed in the description of the movie uh is the fate of Angela and how she is now seated as Angela. And I expected it to kind of lose the gravity and what really makes the identity of the original film so significant and how it has aged so well. And when I think about it, I I expected some of the same humor. Like I feel like the original has like some charming humor.

SPEAKER_04 13:00

Yeah, I don't think it went outright to be funny though.

SPEAKER_03 13:03

Yeah, no, it didn't. It didn't. So the original, it's like things are funny by consequence and because it feels like a real group of kids at a summer camp. And I was hoping for that. This one though, it's like they were really trying hard to be funny, like they leaned really hard, like they pulled that lever, and they're like, We're gonna make everything a pun. We're gonna make everything like the darkest humor possible, but we're gonna go so far past dark that it's no longer dark, and we're just gonna come right back around to campiness. And I love some camp. Um, I don't know that the humor landed well for me in this movie, and that's something we're gonna have to explore.

SPEAKER_00 13:38

They were in a camp. Does that count?

SPEAKER_03 13:40

No, it doesn't. I mean, it was intense, if anything.

SPEAKER_01 13:45

Oh, I hate you both. Love you.

SPEAKER_03 13:49

But what about you guys? Was there anything significant that that surprised you or disappointed you from your expectations?

SPEAKER_01 13:54

Uh, I was really surprised by how Pamela Springsteen portrayed the character because it's almost like a complete 180 from Phylissa Rose's portrayal of Angela. Uh, she's much more talkative, we could say that. And it, like you said, Chris, it took a much more intentional, deliberate, comedic direction that I also wasn't expecting. But I won't lie, some of the things actually did make me laugh.

SPEAKER_03 14:16

I had like one or two moments that I laughed at. That's generous, though. What about you, Ryan?

SPEAKER_02 14:21

For me, I was surprised by like we were just talking about what we expected. Um, I was surprised by what the story ended up being. Uh, I did not read the description. Y'all know I hate a trailer and a description. Um, I've waited it for this one. So this is actually what I expected the original uh sleepaway camp to be. Like this this storyline, obviously, I mean it ties to the first one, but like this type of thing, person killing people at a camp is is exactly what I was expecting for the first one.

SPEAKER_01 14:50

I feel that too.

SPEAKER_02 14:51

Yeah, so it threw me off, and I was like, okay, this is weird because now I have to like reset because the first one was very surprising, and the second one I feel like was l much less surprising, much more predictable in ways.

SPEAKER_01 15:03

Much more like transparent or like at face value.

SPEAKER_02 15:06

Yes, and I really enjoyed I sometimes the who-done it part of a movie can be kind of uh exhausting. And in the first one, the the who-done it bit of it was really enjoyable, and they just completely took that away here. They were just like, hey, here's your killer.

SPEAKER_04 15:20

It was so predictable that they didn't even bother to change it, she didn't even bother to change her first name. Like, no, no, which I was like, What better alias, better alias, please? But I'm I'm going along with you, Chris. Like, I literally thought, even I'm like so far removed from this movie, seeing as September and I hadn't seen well, and I haven't seen this since then. Literally, I felt like I was watching two different movies, two different directors, two different writers, like just like hey, we're just gonna take this girl and put her in, and then everything else. I mean, it was just it was just not the same feel uh as it was at first. And that was surprising.

SPEAKER_00 16:01

I I gotta go along with that because I complained when we when we recorded about the about the first film about how I felt there wasn't a enough of a clearly established like motivation um due to the trauma that Angela experiences as a child. Like it just didn't, it didn't like I could see the pieces, but it didn't link link up in my mind. But I feel like the motivation of this movie just it it feels like two different characters because it was so clearly defined, like she outwardly says it in several cases what the motivation is. And it's so it was like it was definitely a more of a refined feeling in terms of who the character was, at least as as a teenager slash adult. So it was it was very surprising. I didn't get the same character from the first movie, I got almost a completely different character, which they also ex kind of elaborate, you know, they kind of explained a little bit in the film. Um but you you got you got the feeling of like this is a like certain person, I can understand like why they're doing the things they're doing. And you know, I mean, while ridiculous, I I at least like understand where they're where they're coming from, although they're psychotic.

SPEAKER_02 17:07

But I also to add to what Alexis is saying, it's interesting how close together these movies came out and how different they feel. I was like awesome. So the next one it it has to feel more modern than this one, and it doesn't, it almost feels the opposite. Like if you didn't know based on the story, the first sleep away camp could have been released later in the 80s. It feels more modern than the second one, I think.

SPEAKER_00 17:30

The relation between the two kind of reminded me when I was when I was binging Friday the uh Friday the 13th, to where like you get this like you get this universe of Friday the 13th, but each movie can feel very different in terms of like its campiness and in terms of like the character motivations and stuff. Yeah. But there's like always that like recipe kind of going on of what's going on in the camp.

SPEAKER_03 17:49

Yeah, and then you get Jason Goes to Hell and it's like all bets are off.

SPEAKER_00 17:53

Do we get an Angela Goes to Hell? Because that would be amazing.

SPEAKER_03 17:56

We deserve it at this point, really. Phyllis or Rose, come back, please take Angela to hell and let's get this party started. Or to the boiler room. Yes, uh, instead of uh it's um sleepaway camp, it's it's now gonna be sleepaway glamp, and we're gonna have it all like in a temperature control building.

SPEAKER_00 18:12

Sleepaway glamp. Angela's in a yurt in Asheville.

SPEAKER_01 18:17

Not a yurt. I feel like as a result of how much humor this movie had, it really wasn't scary for me. What did you guys think about that?

SPEAKER_04 18:26

I've never been less scared. Definitely not scared about anything. Well, maybe one thing got me kind of scared. We can talk about it when we talk about the gore. Interesting.

SPEAKER_03 18:35

Oh, I know what you're going with, where you're going with this. Um, there is nothing that is frightening on its face. What is slightly alarming, the negative stereotypes that this movie perpetuates, and the way that you have this story that people kind of rush to say, oh no, that's not good representation. But really, when you look back on it, you look at the core of the story and gender expression and identity, it tells a totally different story, and then you take a hard right turn and just go off into the wild with this version of Angela, and it's like, what are you doing? This movie cannot be remade today.

SPEAKER_00 19:12

No, and this is part of the reason I had trouble raiding the first movie, and it was even more amplified in the second movie, where not only there's there like completely inflammatory language towards LGBTQ people, but just like the entire character of Angela and the motivation to, you know, to kill, it was it was really kind of hard to stomach until I just had to put it in its place and like okay, it's in the 80s, and they, you know, they don't really understand how the world works back then, apparently.

SPEAKER_03 19:41

Yeah. It's also highly patriarchal. It's uh very evident that men were behind the movie and couldn't even make a compassionate female villain that you could root for in the same way that you could root for Freddie, Jason, Michael, etc. You had that in Sleepaway Camp. You lost that in Sleepaway Camp too. I will say that I did appreciate there are a few little nuggets of meta moments in here that while it's another horror movie that takes up that takes place at camp, it still manages to keep up the sl the sleepaway camp reputation of having some fairly original kills. Um it's wild, it's a wild movie, but what about you guys? Did you find anything original about it?

SPEAKER_02 20:22

This one I didn't feel like was original. This is like, like I said, this is what I expected from a camp killer.

SPEAKER_00 20:28

It's tough because going back to your mention of like they're referencing other horror movies. It's weird because they didn't do it in the silly way that you would get in a lot of movies, like, you know, um the not in other teen movies of of the horror universe. But they did it in kind of a way that was like, you know, like nodding towards those movies. So it was it was interesting because like I I didn't feel like it was a spoof, but there was moments that were definitely kind of spoofing on some other movies and and and referencing them. Um so while it was fairly cliched, I just I don't know, it was its own little original recipe of cliches.

SPEAKER_04 21:07

Yeah, no, I uh completely agree. Like it's filled with a whole bunch of tropes and a lot a lot of stuff that's meta in it, and like it could reference any movie, but uh it does it in a really good way, not like a it feels like you're in it. So there it's in this universe, you know, when they were talking about Freddie and stuff like that, and when someone dresses up as Freddie, it's not like I mean it's because people have done that, like that that's like a thing, like that those are the people that are villainous in in this.

SPEAKER_03 21:35

I do have a solid 19 tropes listed down. I'd love to hear everything. It's girl, it's a rough list. I mean, let me be clear about that. It's a rough list.

SPEAKER_04 21:45

But with that idea, I I I think this is fairly original.

SPEAKER_01 21:49

I feel like we're kind of overlooking the originality that exists with a transgender female serial killer. For me, I haven't seen anything with that before. It does that exist? I mean, besides.

SPEAKER_03 22:00

the the original no I agree and that's kind of like what I was alluding to in terms of the harmful stereotypes that uh I want to really unpack in the second half and really break down like the story of Angela at this point. You're right. It it never nothing has been nothing has shown up like that before and people assume that about the first movie but really Angela in the first movie is not trans. Right. Angela is Peter who is forced to live as Angela who is forced to c cross dress who has experienced unrelenting amounts of trauma and made to live and express a gender that they do not themselves identify with. And so it's it's super harmful in that way. And granted sure have I not seen anything like it before absolutely it wasn't it wasn't my cup of tea.

SPEAKER_04 22:43

I feel like this movie could have d did a lot in exploring that and made it a little bit better. I think they do it would just pay credit to you know the first film.

SPEAKER_00 22:52

I I I have some trouble with with how they I mean I've mentioned it obviously but how they deal with Angela's backstory. And in this one it becomes like a campfire story and it's obviously treated with no respect for you know for the person that's going through this this trauma you know from the from the first film. So it's it's kind of hard to watch I mean I while watching it I have to place it in its historical context and like understand you know the level of understanding that people might have had in the 80s and and the level of disrespect like utter disrespect that they showed.

SPEAKER_03 23:25

Oh bro wait for the racism you get in part three.

SPEAKER_00 23:28

Oh goodness because I feel like it's bad enough.

SPEAKER_03 23:31

You got a little bit of slurs here, slurs everywhere.

SPEAKER_00 23:34

And I mean that's that's the trouble I have watching a lot of 80s movies is do you do you put them in this context understanding that back then it seemed culturally okay or do you think about it from 2020 where you're like that's just not cool man.

SPEAKER_03 23:48

So that's an interesting question because I asked myself that and I'm like oh you know what I like 80s movies though and I know that they're super stuck in the timeframe that they're in. But then I look at I just about I can't I can't even remember beyond like getting to Rob Zombies Halloween I don't remember a single Halloween movie in which um any gay slurs were thrown around. Maybe maybe it happened in like five and six so that I don't watch those movies as much but I don't recall that and I can think of you know one of Stranger Calls uh He Knows You're Alone Stranger One of Stranger Calls is from the 70s but He Knows You're Alone another 80s movie. I can think of so many 80s movies in which those types of slurs don't happen at all because it doesn't need it to be scary. It doesn't need it to feel for the characters or to kind of put a timestamp on them so to speak. But I also think that plays into Paris you know what we're talking about in our Pride episode where you look at the representation and the way it's evolved and in the beginning we are monsters and now we are not but we haven't gotten enough movies where there's an Angela who's a hero and that is the big problem I have with this movie. But there's still some more to uncover. Obviously this movie ends not in the same way the original does how did you guys feel about that I was very happy about that ending.

SPEAKER_00 25:09

So much happier than the first one.

SPEAKER_01 25:11

The ending actually reminded me a lot of showgirls um because there's also a scene with Nomi Malone and a truck and a cowboy hat um and they had a similar hairstyle like with the curls all up so that was the that's the energy I got from this ending.

SPEAKER_04 25:25

I feel like there's a lot of movies that end like that I'm trying to think of like it just reminded me of a movie I have never seen showgirls so I know it doesn't remind me of that but it definitely does remind me of four movies where you're like oh my gosh they got away like no they didn't like at all and I appreciate the ending of the first one and this one as well I really enjoyed it I feel the same way about the ending as I feel about the rest of this movie.

SPEAKER_03 25:51

Oh shit so let's start making our way there then let's do it obviously we have a little bit of work to button up here before we rate this movie but let's start here Alexis how many people died 18 we got about a count of 18 I'm pretty happy about this one.

SPEAKER_04 26:06

Yeah it's it's a sneaky 18 too because it it takes a little bit to well we get a one death pretty early on but then it kind of evenly paces itself yeah it's like uh one every like four minutes or something yeah someone did the math Alexis there with the stopwatch and Ryan how about that animal report animal report is looking good you're all in the clear nice here we are then let's go ahead and get down to business sleepaway camp two unhappy campers did it leave you as an unhappy camper hackerslash it was tough for me because I was like all right there's a handful of stuff I don't like about this movie and then there's surprisingly a lot of stuff that I actually enjoyed about this movie and I think lately when I'm watching it I'm like okay is this a total joke is this a waste of time is this a waste of time in a lot of the movies we have I'm like why the hell at the end this is so stupid why did I see this but this one didn't leave that in my mouth it really didn't I I enjoyed some of the humor although a lot of it is dated um there were a lot of one liners um from Angela that I really appreciated and although it was completely different from the first one I kind of just kept that out of my head and for what it's worth this movie I'm definitely giving it a slash not the biggest slash ever but a slash I'm excited for you because I know everyone's gonna hack this I don't know I don't know I don't feel confident in that and I feel like you are like on the fence a little but more more to the slash side.

SPEAKER_02 27:33

Yeah um to go off of some of the things that you mentioned um this movie left me with that taste in my mouth um of why did I watch this? So many things being tasted in my mouth so many tastes um I think I think I'm at a little bit of a disadvantage because I watched this immediately after the first one and I think that really does sway how I felt about it. I am hard pressed to find many things that I enjoyed in this movie. I didn't get to like know or care for any of the characters. I mean obviously like Angela is one but everyone like I couldn't name one other person. Not that that's that abnormal but I couldn't name a single other person that was significant. They were just like a chick that always has her boobs out a chick that like yeah you know just they start all looking the same. Yeah they start all looking the same. Yeah I this movie is what I don't like about 80 slashers and I I was bored not excited and it's a hack for me.

SPEAKER_03 28:41

Talking about unhappy campers wow yeah it did make me an unhappy camper not gonna lie well maybe we should turn that front upside down and sing I'm a happy camper.

SPEAKER_00 28:51

Yeah another thing I hated okay great I uh I actually was a happy camper with this movie oddly enough so the ending I found much more satisfying than the first film and the character motivation I found to be much better because it was much clearer in this film. There are two different motivations in in both movies. The first movie we're dealing with a lot of trauma and a lot of bullying and the second movie we're dealing with with a character's like I don't know what I don't know how you get to describe it, but they're like striving for a certain like bar of excellence that they don't think other humans are are achieving. Which was unfair by them.

SPEAKER_03 29:31

Okay Jigsaw.

SPEAKER_00 29:32

Right I mean honestly yeah so not only that but the variety of kills was massive like each kill I found to be satisfying in its own way and they were kind of like long drawn out kill sequences. We didn't get like the all right a kill starts and we just like cut away thing that you get from a lot of 80s movies. In many situations we got to like see the kill happen which was like super fun. And I know Alexis is going to disagree with me. One of eighteen sure but there was a lot more that I think we got to that we got to enjoy with the with the variety of kills here which was super cool because I when we watch a lot of camp killing movies it's usually like you pick one weapon they use that weapon they kill everybody with that weapon the movie's over and this one like the killer's like I'm gonna find whatever weapon is is close by sometimes it's not even a weapon it's just whatever I can use to kill them. And I was very satisfied the nods to other horror movies I found fun. I didn't find it to be like cheesy although it was campy of course but but I actually I actually enjoyed it. I expected that yeah so it's a slash for me.

SPEAKER_01 30:36

Alright um so I feel like my feelings about this movie can best be expressed through song uh so here I go. Oh I'm a happy camper I thought this would be trash but actually when I watched it it was a total slash what I love that I love this movie so much you guys that and when I listen when I love something I love something. So you know I watched the third one and then I watched a documentary and then I watched like five different YouTube videos talking about these movies.

SPEAKER_02 31:09

Oh I wish I did that where are we?

SPEAKER_01 31:12

What universe is this I've always struggled to find like my footing with 80s horror like to find that feeling that Chris has when she sees Halloween or like the way Ryan feels about Freddy um but Angela is my Freddy. She is a queen she is an icon she brought Pamela Springfield brought so much hilarity and like really intentional energy with her character choices I feel like I feel like she was pulling from the Aunt Martha character in the original movie who clearly had a huge influence on the character. And let me tell you I love this franchise so much that I may have bought some merch. Oh we are right now looking at Paris wearing a t-shirt for sleep obsessed with this this is my Camp Arawak t-shirt.

SPEAKER_02 31:57

I may buy another one for Camp New Horizons or Camp Rolling Hills uh because I think one the aesthetic is super cute uh and two this is my favorite 80s movie horror franchise of all time okay I need to describe this really quickly for listeners so usually Paris is wearing some sort of see-through shirt okay we usually see nipple we can always see nipple always see nipple it's either on the side coming through tonight he's wearing a buttoned up plaid shirt and we were like yeah buttoned all the way up and we were like what's going on I was like not only is he wearing one shirt fully a non-open an opaque shirt he's wearing two and then during this reveal he just unbuttoned his plaid shirt to show the camp air oh y'all wanted a twist AC off right now too in Florida.

SPEAKER_03 32:45

He swept for that yeah you know how hot I've been waiting for this reveal also I just want to point out that he not only saw this movie a couple days ago for the first time and loved it that much he bought merch for it. What? Yeah I bought this merch in a pandemic where'd you even find the merch how did you thankterthreads.com they are not a sponsor but if they want to be they can hit us up on social media fast shipping great quality I like that I like that a lot I need a hat I am I am shook I would buy that shirt because I love the first one but oh my gosh I am shook I think if you're into men ripping off their shirts if you had seen this you would have just pitched a 10 hold on honestly I'm not into men ripping off their shirts but I'm into what Paris just did.

SPEAKER_04 33:27

That was great I loved this movie and I can't wait to talk about it after the break I'm loving this I am totally loving this it's always nice to see like when someone finds their like their like itch for horror like their their their thing gosh I was really counting on you Paris I even said before we started recording listen it's the perfect sweet spot of like over the top gore and camp comedy that just like mmm it does it for me.

SPEAKER_02 33:56

Yeah no that's very that's very Paris when you stop to think about it. You guys I whispered to Paris before we started recording and said I'm counting on you tonight understanding that he would be on my side here. And I had all of this planned Ryan how does it feel to be lonely oh I I'm cool you guys can have this movie. Wait we still have one more though so true because I think you're gonna join me.

SPEAKER_03 34:19

Yeah I don't know we'll see because I do love the original sleepaway camp it is one of my favorite 80s slashers um I would actually place it as my favorite summer camp movie right so way better than the Friday the 13th movies we get I know I hacked the original one which we'll have to revisit at some point because I have some new feelings that have emerged um when I look at this movie and I look at how great the first one is and I look at how comedic this one is right chopping mall we have watched we've discussed and I was like man I know on paper I should like this movie like maybe I'm having a bad day I'm throwing that flag out on the table like I might need to revisit this and so I started watching this movie and I knew which direction it was gonna go and then we get some slurs and then we get um a killer who has had a story twisted in such a way that I feel equals more into harmful representation than anything positive. And I think it's so indicative of what has actually set back so many movements. It is it is expressed on screen something that is oppressive. And I look at the even the nature of the kills I feel like in the first movie that we get it's really like evenly mixed about who has their uppins come to them. In this movie it's all like oh I don't like the way these women are behaving so it's very patriarchal. Looking at this there's a lot of great things in it. I think um the final girl we get is incredible. She's actually like pretty high up there for me in terms of final girls. The humor there are a couple moments where I really really laughed and there are a a few a few things about Pamela Springsteen's performance that I give her a lot of credit for because she she took this material and ran with it. And she ran further than I think most people can run. I mean that that's just what it is. When I look at this though it was a total joke it was a waste of my time I could have lived without seeing this movie and I could have lived without seeing the third movie that I even committed to watching after that just to give it a shot. This is not like Chopping Mall. This is not a movie where I need to revisit it because maybe I was having a bad day. This is just kind of shitty. I'm so glad you're here and I'm glad that I am here to give this hack physically in person in Virginia and again reunited with Ryan so I could support her.

SPEAKER_04 36:47

It feels way better not gonna lie she would be like oh great now I'm like stuck here trying to stuck here with these people that like this movie.

SPEAKER_03 36:56

So there we have it folks uh sleep away camp to unhappy camper only left two of us as unhappy campers and three of us somehow enjoyed it. We have a lot to talk about we have a lot to break down in terms of the kills in this movie because even I will give it credit for that it's it's inventive it's creative. But you can find this movie streaming for free in a number of places I know it's on YouTube for sure and it's also on Amazon Prime Video so give that a shot. Check it out I know only three of us recommend it but check it out you'll have at least a good laugh and then join us in the second half so we can unpack it.

SPEAKER_00 37:27

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SPEAKER_04 38:53

You see the tool you see possibly an insert or and then you see the aftermath you don't see anything in between and you guys know I love a good like give me all the gruesome details all that sort of stuff so there's a few that um I know Matt could mention but I think it might have just been too you see but uh including one big one I want to make I think I have a couple that I I try to like keep track of all of them.

SPEAKER_03 39:17

Where I got frustrated was we get down to like a decapitation and then everything after that is so either off screen or like you just see the aftermath of I'm like well where was all the work you did before Angela what's up I know exactly especially because I feel like some of those deaths or the bodies that were in this cabin that she had I was like I never saw that one at all and never been in the movie up until this point.

SPEAKER_04 39:42

It's like but did she kill him or did she not?

SPEAKER_03 39:46

But yeah no I think if you're watching this movie during the time it's made I definitely think you people would say this is like a high gore score especially when you see a decapitation clearly a fake head but uh oh my gosh so that I was a little bit on the fence for a lot of things in this movie and honestly if I could look past the representation or lack thereof in this movie when I saw that dummy head I actually had to pause and rewind and confirm that it wasn't my bad vision that I was seeing what I was in fact seeing. That was the worst instance of a body being decapitated in a movie that I've ever seen.

SPEAKER_04 40:24

Uh for sure the special effects if they were just a tad bit better I feel like this movie would have been just elevated a little bit more.

SPEAKER_00 40:31

What about the decapitation in graduation day?

SPEAKER_02 40:34

I feel similarly about that one.

SPEAKER_03 40:35

Oh yeah I think that one didn't strike me quite as offensively as this one yeah this one was because this one it's like you want to try to cut you want to do that motion with the actor sitting there and then with the dummy sitting there right and if they had just cut a couple frames after so that dummy head is less visible it would have been fine. That's what most films do. This one they cut it way too early it's like when the when the machete is like above her head before they cut it it's not like when it's about to make impact it was just YouTubers are out here doing better work than this movie.

SPEAKER_01 41:08

I mean I'll go on record as saying this decapitation and fake head was as shitty as Alien, prom night the one Max said because they all look bad and they all look equally shitty. Like it's a fake head no one's convinced but you kind of grade these things on a curve no because it's like an old movie with shitty effects.

SPEAKER_03 41:28

No even if we graded this on the curve this would still get an F. But they all get Fs no no no they all get C's this is how bell curves work but somebody has a bit of F still they all look bad. In prom night you have a decapitation and then the head rolls down the disco the disco walk and that's exciting this one you get a dummy getting his head cut off and then it's just in a TV later it's like okay I mean in the TV it was pretty cool.

SPEAKER_01 41:54

Okay exciting yeah but was it believable looking no it looked so fake too it looked like a fake more movies is believable unless it's terrifier with a hacksaw.

SPEAKER_04 42:03

Oh god that is true so I know before um the break that we took I said this movie was not scary but then I said there were a parts so this isn't my favorite kill I'll ex I'll tell you guys after that and I'm excited to see out of the 18 kills what's y'all's favorite but um the scariest thing was um Allie and the porta potty or uh it's not a porta potty outhouse and I know because one time I spent time in Montana um my cousin was working out there long story short and I was like you know I've never been to like Montana before or anywhere out west did you meet Hannah? No oh my god I did not meet Hannah disappointing and she's staying in this like yerk yurt yurt yeah um I rented a cabin for $200 a night um no running water no nothing not not even a stove girl you got bamboozled I did I was like what the hell that's a wooden tent people don't even pay $200 a month for rent in Montana I'm kidding I oh no they probably you totally could have gotten a way better Airbnb deal somewhere oh I definitely could I was definitely ripped off but like where else was I gonna stay? So there's an outhouse and every night we would like both have to go to the bathroom so we would just be like all right we'll just pee right outside the house like we'll walk outside there's a porch drop right there because we didn't want to go in the outhouse at night because there's bears walking around there's like it's like wildlife. Anyway it's Montana we were one time she had to go and I felt so bad she had to go number two. And we both I was like standing outside because there's no room for her to get in but like it was the scariest thing being in like outside the outhouse and just during the day being inside the outhouse because it's just this hole and you don't know what's coming out of it. Like or I don't know I've watched any scary movies. I think someone's gonna start crawling out of it.

SPEAKER_01 43:54

Or what has gone into it. That's the scarier part. Right.

SPEAKER_04 43:57

That was scarier than this movie that story right there. But yeah, no, that was scary. Like being in that, like that's just disgusting.

SPEAKER_00 44:05

You're like surrounded by the wilderness of Montana, right?

SPEAKER_04 44:08

Yes. Like the only way we got soul service is if we hiked like up a mountain.

SPEAKER_00 44:13

You really should have just saved it for the day, just like held on to it and just like in full view of the beautiful scenery, just let it loose while viewing every like, no, you don't need for an outhouse, just go into the middle of a field and free yourself. How did we get here?

SPEAKER_04 44:27

I know, right? I'm gonna wrap my uh part up. Uh, can't wait to hear what you guys have to say. But um with the campiness and the whole like meta, um, I love the names in this movie, so I'm of course gonna have to go with um my favorite kill is gonna be um demi, demi more. Um so she I think I just love the whole how this like lingers. Um, and it's uh she like Angel's going throughout this whole entire cabin like and testing out objects to kill her. That I thought it was just so great. It was so great, and just this whole like spoofiness. I mean, it's just it's just cool. And then when she gets to her, you know, Demi's not paying attention to anything she's saying, she's just telling her the story. Yeah, she's like, I thought this was weird anyway. And she's like, You talk too much, and then just kills her. And I loved it. I was like, she's like, You talk too much, die.

SPEAKER_01 45:22

That was actually my favorite scene as well, just because like that whole extended bit that she does, like picking up different weapons and being like, hmm, could I hit her over the head with this? Or like, hmm, maybe I'll stab her with that.

SPEAKER_04 45:32

It's so awesome. It's so awesome.

SPEAKER_01 45:34

Um, it wasn't my favorite kill though. My favorite kill was kind of, I don't know, it might seem lame, but it was the kill with the drill when she's in the car with Mare and she's just like drilling her relentlessly.

SPEAKER_03 45:46

You mean like the Sumber Party Massacre?

SPEAKER_01 45:48

Kinda, yeah. It had a similar vibe, but what I loved that uh Pamela Springsteen brought to it was just her face during it because she was like wincing, like, ew, this is gross, but like also just like mercilessly drilling this girl to death and just like oh no, there's blood getting on my face and like turning away. Like those little choices that she made in her performance really just like sealed the deal for me with this.

SPEAKER_04 46:08

Did you love the dialogue before that when uh Mayor was like, Are you looking for a gun? And she goes, No, I'm not. Like, yeah, I'm looking for this. That was the best.

SPEAKER_00 46:21

I loved all like the preamble before the kills. The dialogue was solid. That was going to be my favorite because of that. Because it was so funny, the setup for it. But now I feel like I have to pick a new one because there's so many to choose from in this movie. So I think I'm gonna pick the Schoot sisters. I think is is that their their actual name?

SPEAKER_04 46:38

The shit or whatever they said, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:42

Because I found it so funny that like their burnouts and she burns them. Oh, I didn't even get that, but that is great.

SPEAKER_04 46:48

Yeah, I didn't think up on that either, but I like that.

SPEAKER_00 46:51

But it surprised me because when the one sister wakes up and sees her other sister like literally burnt to a crisp on the grill, you see like the grating of the grill, and I'm just a like before you even see the the skeleton, and I was like, Oh my god, she's gonna burn them. Oh my god, like that's so it like a burning death is atrocious. And then you pan up and see the skeleton sister, and you're like, Oh yeah, she's burning them to death. This is horrible. But I think she mentioned something about learning a lesson, and I was at the time, I was like, Well, you can't really learn a lesson if you're dead, so it's difficult.

SPEAKER_02 47:23

Hold that thought too.

SPEAKER_00 47:24

That's a wasted lesson, but I just love that setup of like she's literally burning the burnouts, like oh brutal.

SPEAKER_02 47:30

For me, I liked a bunch of the kills, but I actually don't have a favorite because I kind of feel the same about all of them. I feel kind of just like eh, like I wish I saw more. I wish it was like I again I think it's tainted by the first one. I really enjoyed the like shots that we had of like the bees, the burn, like the shots from the first one. The curling iron shadow. The curling iron, yes. Oh my gosh. So all of those just gave me an in a very intense, very eerie feeling. And then coming into this movie, I was just like, I mean, it I I don't know. I think it has to do with it being like so in your face, and then you not seeing the kills.

SPEAKER_00 48:12

What about the Freddy kill in a movie that's not a nightmare in Elm Street?

SPEAKER_02 48:16

Yeah, and also a slice that had did not correspond with the way the fa the hand moved. Like stuff like that drives me nuts. So I mean, I liked the sisters, the grill, I had the same feelings as you when like you could see the grade of the grill and everything, but I I don't have a favorite, oddly enough.

SPEAKER_03 48:32

The only beyond the fact that I appreciated the fact that there were other horror movie references, um, and I know the Slumber Party Massacre one was a little bit of a reach. I did appreciate that for the Texas Chainsaw Massacre Kill, she hits him in his thigh the same way Leatherface hit himself in the thigh. Uh so she's slightly more confident than him, so that's fun. Um, but beyond that, I liked TC's death. Not necessarily because I like the mechanics of his own battery, like the acid from his own car battery being thrown on his face. More so I like the fact that because he was a kind of like a shitty counselor, he turned his eye on a lot of things and just wanted to have a problem with the only female counselor, and that kind of pissed me off. So I was glad to see him go. He was like a knockoff Uncle Joey, and I wasn't a fan.

SPEAKER_00 49:18

I had that same feeling while watching it. His horrible mullet. There was so many mullets. So many mullets in this.

SPEAKER_03 49:24

Yeah, Paris. Did you relate? Is that why it's your favorite?

SPEAKER_01 49:26

No, uh, that mullet was gross. My mullet will be much better. Um, but to your point, Chris, about uh him being a shitty counselor, I feel like, and I might be alone here, but I was Team Angela this whole time. Obviously, the the circumstances of this are suspect and problematic. Um, but the outcome being this uh newly transitioned woman gets out, uh, makes it through therapy, and she's like, Okay, I'm good. I'm gonna go to camp and it's gonna be therapeutic for me. Um and then she's sort of reminded of all of the like just like the general lack of accountability that made her first time in camp like such a shit show. And with every like little reminder, she's like, Oh no, I actually have to kill you. Um, but the way she does it, she's like so delightful. So like you kind of see her spiral, but she's like smiling while it happens. And that's what I loved about it.

SPEAKER_03 50:19

Here's what I think you really love about it. I think you love Angela's Capricorn energy.

SPEAKER_01 50:25

Oh yeah. She's just like a stickler for the rules, and she's not asking much. I love the quote where she was like, There's lots of great kids out there, you just gotta weed out the bad ones. That was literally my mentality when I was like five years old.

SPEAKER_03 50:36

So here's the thing: I don't disagree with Angela much, but as a killer and knowing that like you can't give passive either this is sleepaway camp too. Some other horror franchises, like you can treat the movies as a standalone feature. I think a lot of the Friday the 13th movies, even though there are threads that tie them all together, you can look at each one as an independent production. This movie, though, directly references the first movie, and you're never left a moment to forget about the first movie, and then I just think about the better Angela. I think about the Angela who was quiet and more relatable in an incognito kind of way. And um, while I agree with Angela as a being a stickler for the rules, because Lord knows I appreciate that highly, while I appreciate her being the hardest working counselor, I still can't get behind this killer being Angela. Like, get make this character anything else in another movie altogether. Don't make this Angela that we already knew.

SPEAKER_00 51:38

I think the best scenario in this movie was that Angela was not the killer. And obviously, they set us up from the first scene that Angela was the killer. But I think the best thing would have been if if one of the kids at the camp had actually turned out to be the killer, but the entire time we were assuming it was Angela. If we never got to see the killer and we were just like assuming it was her, in the very end, we find out that it's one of the goody-goody kids, that would have been so satisfying to actually see change from the character.

SPEAKER_02 52:03

Yeah, I agree. And I think I think a little more uh mystery would have really made this movie a a lot better for me. And maybe, I mean, obviously it wasn't their intention at all. They just wanted us to know that it was her. But it's like I don't I can't see behind I don't want to see behind the curtain, you know. I need I need a little little mystery, a little trying to figure it out, you know?

SPEAKER_04 52:25

Yeah, yeah, that was like very obvious. I was like, man, they are not trying to like give her any sort of atheist and like any sort of like protection or not even protection, but if like if that happened to you, I'm sure Uncle John should be doing background checks on some of these people.

SPEAKER_03 52:43

Also, can I just say this? I am so glad that Uncle John was not as creepy as the first camp owner. Yes. Oh my god, he was the worst.

SPEAKER_00 52:50

Also, what was Uncle John's accent? Because it kind of changed a couple times, I feel like it was interesting. He was very well spoken.

SPEAKER_03 52:56

Something Eastern European, I bet.

SPEAKER_00 52:58

Yeah, I don't know. I liked it though.

SPEAKER_02 53:00

Can we get that list of uh tropes? Or maybe just a few of them?

SPEAKER_03 53:04

Okay, yeah. So here we go. We have 80s hair, we have mullets like Paris is growing. Oh, yeah. But his will be better. We have the alpha bitch, we have the affably evil. So we have Angela is friendly, but it's when she stops being friendly that you gotta be scared. Uh we have the asshole victim. Uh, so literally everybody who dies in this movie is a piece of shit, except for like Uncle John, maybe. We have a berserk button. So we have like the one thing that drives this person crazy. For Angela, it's fornicating illegal drugs, bringing up the fact that she used to be Peter, alcohol, and doing anything mean to Molly. We also have uh a Final Girl Fainting. Uh, we have a ghost story because boy, it's not a good uh summer camp movie if it doesn't start with a ghost story. Yep. And then we have hotter and sexier, so we have a sequel with significantly more explicit sex and nudity.

SPEAKER_04 53:55

The sex in this movie was so unbelievable and so hard to watch.

SPEAKER_00 54:01

It was terrible.

SPEAKER_04 54:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 54:03

It was, it did seem like there was a lot of pain involved.

SPEAKER_04 54:06

In the bathroom scene, too.

SPEAKER_00 54:08

Yeah, like there was a lot of writhing and grinding for no reason.

SPEAKER_04 54:12

Really getting thrown around there. Yeah, I was like, I would not want to have sex like that. That is not how that was supposed to go.

SPEAKER_01 54:17

It seemed like they were fighting. I feel like it was intentional, though.

SPEAKER_03 54:21

Okay, a question for you, Ryan. How does this rank between this sex scene and the town that dreaded sundown remake sex scene where it made you wish you were a little bit more gay?

SPEAKER_02 54:30

I would say that still the town that dreaded sundown remake was worse because we've all experienced something. Agree. Maybe you have. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 54:42

Maybe we have to try too hard, and you're like, just stop.

SPEAKER_02 54:46

Yeah, just stop. At least in this one, I think uh, even though it seemed miserable, both people seemed miserable.

SPEAKER_03 54:52

They were both incompetent. Yeah, both incompetent. Got it.

SPEAKER_01 54:55

But see, it also it reminded me of the the sex scene in April Fool's Day where it like cuts to them and like all their limbs are like pretzeled together. Like it felt like they weren't actually trying to convey sex, they were they were being campy with it.

SPEAKER_03 55:08

Until the second time they tried.

SPEAKER_00 55:10

But wait, at one point there was definitely some belly button liking going on.

SPEAKER_03 55:13

That's what that's what I was just gonna say. Yeah, was there a belly button? He did not go low enough. No, I don't know. I wouldn't know.

SPEAKER_01 55:20

They completely missed the mark across the board.

SPEAKER_03 55:22

She looked like she she for sure had a long torso, not a short one. There was also a lot of bouncing, and I was like, what are we?

SPEAKER_02 55:30

We're on sitting in the back of a toilet.

SPEAKER_04 55:32

It was like something that, like, yeah, when you come in like from a cool night with a guy and you're really into him and you're kissing, and you're just like, oh, fumbling around because you can't find the lights, and it's like that, but it's like that times 20 in camp in the bathroom. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 55:46

Also, why didn't he let her like get her pants off? He was like pulling her across the floor because he doesn't know what he's doing.

SPEAKER_01 55:53

They were both virgin.

SPEAKER_02 55:55

I'd also like to note, and and maybe we've had this conversation on episode the first episode about uh sleepaway camp, the first one. Um, camps are not like this. Has anyone had any other experience? I went to summer camp a few times for like a week, not a full summer camp. But you also didn't go to summer camp in the 80s. True, but mixing ages like this is very not a good idea.

SPEAKER_03 56:20

It was more mixed in the first sleep away camp than I think this is.

SPEAKER_02 56:24

That's true. Well, also they had these kids that looked tiny and young and then these adults.

SPEAKER_01 56:28

Yeah, there was like some that were pre-pubescent and some that were way past puberty.

SPEAKER_02 56:32

Yeah, you have a good point.

SPEAKER_00 56:33

To be fair though, I have heard from people that have actually gone to camps or worked at them that there is a lot of making out happening.

SPEAKER_04 56:40

Yeah, I mean, I expect that. Scandalous kids. This right, this may be some Midwest shit. Is this Midwest? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it feels like it, yes. Always at a leak, you know, there's always a leak involved. Yeah, I did day camp, but it was nothing like this. I mean, the worst thing we did was save Bloody Mary in the bathroom. We didn't do it. Of course you did. Yeah, you know, I wasn't about kissing, I was like, let's go do this. No, I'm kidding. I was terrified. I was like, please do not open the portal to hell right now.

SPEAKER_02 57:06

Sorry, random side note. You know what the first movie taught me? It taught me that boys do so much more fun stuff and girls are just in their rooms talking trash to each other. That's literally what the whole movie is. I'm like, I want to go, this is my whole life experience. I want to go throw water balloons at people and not be in the room talking trash and you know, fighting each other.

SPEAKER_03 57:26

Yeah, yeah. You don't want to uh stick around curling irons all day. Yeah, man, no fun.

SPEAKER_01 57:31

So I I did go to camp when I was little. Um, and honestly, it is kind of at least my experience, it is kind of like this because all of our camp counselors were just like super cool, like hot teenagers that were older than us and like honestly didn't really care that much about what went on. Um, and it was very like Lord of the Flies, like every kid for themselves kind of thing, which like didn't bode well for me specifically. Um, I was definitely like somebody trying to like hang out with the camp counselors because I was like, Oh, you guys are much more mature. Like, I don't get those kids.

SPEAKER_02 58:02

It's the sex that I don't think is real.

SPEAKER_01 58:04

I don't know that they ever had sex, and that's for the best because I was a child. Um, but there was one story in particular where there was like a loosely orchestrated uh Connect 4 tournament, and obviously I won, but the girl that I beat got really mad and like flipped the picnic table and like the checkers went everywhere, and I was like, What the fuck? Like that was crazy. Like, don't be mad, I won. Um, so I'm like the and of course I'm the only person that goes to like clean it up. So I'm like under the table, like picking up all these like loose pieces, and she says to me, What are you eating under there? And this is a joke I'd never heard before. So I said, underwear. And she says, Ew, you're eating underwear, and then everybody laughed at me. Uh, it was highly traumatic, and I almost forgot to get my grand prize for winning that chick that Connect 4 tournament.

SPEAKER_03 58:56

So Wow, Paris. I see now why you relate so much to this movie.

SPEAKER_01 58:59

Listen, it was very relatable to me.

SPEAKER_04 59:02

That's hysterical. That's why she that's why he's rooting for Angel. He's like, fuck them. I get it, I get it.

SPEAKER_01 59:10

Where is that Connect 4 bitch? Because Camp could be so fun if everybody followed the rules.

SPEAKER_03 59:16

Kill that Connect 4 hope.

SPEAKER_01 59:17

Yeah, where is she now?

SPEAKER_03 59:19

I know that we've we've talked a lot about the deaths in this movie and how questionable the relatability this might be. I have a a point that I think might be the worst moment of the movie, and that is those cheap blue re-show you the same footage flashbacks that we get during Angela's dream where it seems like she might be struggling slightly with her actions.

SPEAKER_04 59:44

God, I hated that so much. You know what I heard? That they added that just to fill in time, which is clearly I don't need to see the same movie, I just saw like 15 minutes.

SPEAKER_03 59:54

That shows how little effort was put into this movie.

SPEAKER_01 59:56

It's just like blatant filler footage.

SPEAKER_00 59:58

Like if they had watched Friday the 13th, they would have realized you do it at the beginning of the movie.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:03

Previously, on Sleep Awake Hands.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:05

Exactly. Give people a little exposition before you jump into the killing.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:09

I also found it interesting that that scene was like played in slow motion, but the audio was her singing the same song very slowly. And I was like, huh. That was a choice. So they put some effort into it, it just wasn't the right effort.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:22

It's like when they when they use a clip from a previous movie and just put like that like dreamy filter on it. When you're like, okay, you applied one filter to a piece of video, and that's supposed to be a dream or or a memory.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:36

We're gonna cool things down what it says.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:39

Cheap, lazy.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:41

I'm not really a big fan of dream sequences in general in movies.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:45

I like them if they're psychotic.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:47

Says the woman who loves Freddie Krueger.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:50

I know it's different. That's an experience and also a fame, and not just dreaming of things.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:56

That's an experience.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:58

I love that. He comes by to say hey.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:00

I did I did refer to some coworkers the other day. I said, You're kind of like that nightmare in Elm Street movie, Dream Warriors, because you guys are great. So that's my newest compliment.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:11

That is a very specific and interesting compliment. One that I cannot say I would have made personally. I don't get it because I haven't seen it. It's just the title.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:20

It's the title of a movie.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:21

A nightmare in Elm Street 3. Dream Warriors.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:24

I mean, it sounds kind of fun. I want to be a dream warrior with you guys.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:27

Yeah, that's the movie where Freddie has syringes for fingers.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:31

Ew. If you've ever watched Inception, just imagine that.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:35

Lord.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:36

I did watch Inception.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:37

I wish I would they would have taken that dream sequence and like maybe like do a flashback of what like the trauma that happened while she was in the hospital. I don't need all the details, but I feel like that would be like a little bit more relatable. Okay, okay, no, no, hold on, I take that back. Not relatable, but I could understand, you know, it would build more for the character. Yeah, you have more connection to the character to see that. Yeah, I don't know if I'd have the connection, but I could understand what she would go through.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:05

They could have gone more the route of making an empathetic killer this in this film.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:09

Yeah, that's what I meant. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:10

Like really like feeling the trauma for sure.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:13

I definitely think that would have helped out a lot because you are sort of expected to believe that like this young boy who had gender dysphoria kind of like forced upon him grew up to embrace it, which I suppose isn't unheard of. I can't speak to that experience myself. Um, and then just kind of process it allegedly, but still have a thirst for blood. Um, which is you know, we're reaching here, but suspension of disbelief. Am I right?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:42

They they truly back in the 80s love to imagine that everyone who had any kind of mental anything going on was a like psychotic killer, and so they like push really hard to portray this as you know being someone who's insane simply because of the experience and the trauma that they went through. So, oh, they're insane because they went through this, thus they must be a psychotic killer, which is like so sad and and does a huge disservice to everyone. But it that's that's the shop I have a lot of a lot of 80s slashes, is like someone sought mental help or had mental help kind of like forced upon them because they went through this thing, thus they must be the killer.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:18

I refuse to suspend the disbelief on poor representation, refuse to do it. I will I will look the other way on some bad kills, I will look the way other way on that Freddy finger with a slit throat in a wrong direction. I'll hey, I'll look the other way all day, but I won't look the other way when you uh perpetuate harmful stereotypes. Just can't do it. I mean, we even talk about that a little bit in the When a Stranger Calls episode. Because in that movie, you have the most iconic opening 20 minutes of a movie, and then the rest of it kind of drags until you have a thrilling ending. And in that, in that middle part, you're learning about the killer, and you're learning about the fact that they were kept in a mental asylum and the fact that they did have to go undergo shock therapy, even though it wasn't actually supposed to be done, and people already at the time were looking at it as barbaric. So it really there are some movies that look at this and like handle it well, you know what I mean? Like it makes it makes a bigger statement, and this one it just seems like a a cheap, convenient throwaway, uh, just to make this story even more ridiculous than it already is.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:21

Yeah, if we could go back in time, we would probably go to them and say, like, hey, anyone who's experienced mental illness on a serious level is more at risk for their own health. And they're not at risk to other people's health. Like statistically. So we have to come back in time and be like, if you're gonna feature somebody who's had like major trauma in their lives, perhaps they're one of the most vulnerable victims that you should protect in this movie.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:43

Perhaps uh perhaps not be a douchebag and make them, you know, evil simply because they've gone through something horrible.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:50

I mean, for me, I think where I come from is like trans people are so marginalized and so often the victims of murder and violence that like seeing one like really take control and like come out on top is very refreshing. And it's kind of like, yeah, trans women can be serial killers too. And until we get another female trans woman as a serial killer, I'm going to cherish Angela forever.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:16

And I think the trouble I truly have with it is that they present it as mental illness in both films. I haven't watched any further than that. And if they hadn't presented it as illness, I think perhaps I would be down for that. Because I think anyone can be a serial killer. I think statistically it happens to be men between the ages of like 18 and 40. But um, you know, anyone can be a serial killer. We've learned that from watching Mindhunter and other shows like it. But uh yeah, I think the trouble I have is when you when you in uh that we had a whole I mean, just decades, uh decades of people portraying this as being mental illness. Stop one, stop doing that. And then two, people with with actual mental illness are are usually at a risk more for themselves and not for other people. Right. And that's And that's the real trouble. Now, I think they could have played up the trauma more caused by the ant, and that's where they missed out because obviously that ant did some messed up stuff and some severe psychological damage. Oh, yeah. With I'm sure abuse, whether it was like verbal abuse or oh, absolutely. I think they probably should have shown the actual abuse that happened, physical abuse. I know I don't want to see it, but I'm just saying, like, they could have in this second movie gone back into some flashbacks of the ant doing some really horrible stuff, um, and then built a super empathetic killer.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:31

Especially because it's like it's so obvious that Pamela Springsteen is like kind of adopting some of the mannerisms and affectations of the ant character in her performance of Angela, like they should have definitely brought that in more because she was kind of just carrying that whole thing, and it's it's kind of something that you could even debate is what happened or not.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:51

When you're first watching that movie, the the first one, I think all of us assumed, wow, the actress playing the ant is just a really bad actress. Like she's such a ham.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:00

I thought she was a drag queen, and I was like, Oh, what's this movie?

SPEAKER_02 1:07:03

I thought she was a like a play actress.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:06

Yeah, and then you make it to the end of the movie and you realize, like, oh my gosh, like she has some like something severe is going on with this ant.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:13

In the first episode, you described her as histrionic, and I was like, that's very accurate. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:18

I would I would love to see if they're ever gonna reboot this, and if you're gonna use the same conceit, bring the ant back full force and like really focus on her in terms of her effect on the character.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:30

See, that would be interesting.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:32

I think we could remake this, Chris. Earlier you said this movie could not be made today. I think it could with just a few tweaks, you know?

SPEAKER_03 1:07:41

Then you're not making the same movie.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:42

I mean, then literally no movie could be made today because you're not making it when it was made.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:46

I'm just saying that I don't think this movie could be shot shot for shot the same way it is today, with keeping the same theme and keeping the same message and keeping the same approach to this character. The way that we had Psycho remade in 1998, it was a shot-for-shot remake. You can't do that with this movie.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:02

That's true. I wouldn't want a shot-for-shot remake. I would want it to be like reimagined and made more uh sensitive and reverent to the subject matter. I would absolutely love that.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:11

Then you don't want this movie.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:14

But this is all I have right now, so I'm gonna cling to it.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:17

I hope one day we have better things to cling to.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:19

Me too.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:20

But I will say, apart from the decisions of the character direction for Angela, and apart from T C being a douchebag, I felt like a lot of the characters, the side characters in this actually had good performances for what they were supposed to be. What did you guys feel? They were super believable.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:34

You I I mean, Allie was just this mean person I I've totally seen in my life that I'm like, hell, someone kill her. Um I wouldn't say that about the these people that are alive now that you know. But yeah, no, I think they they had a lot of like content. You they they're they played campers very well for the other side characters, um, where you're just like, oh, okay, cool. Like they're having fun, they're you know, a little older, but I still got the same feel for everyone.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:04

Yeah, I think like the characters are super believable. I just I think they were there were a lot of side characters in this movie, and that kind of um messed me up. Like I really wanted to get to know some more people. I I think everything was I don't know, it's surface level. I didn't feel like connected to anyone, but maybe that was just the intention because they're all gonna get sliced up anyway.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:27

I did feel like Ali's power play of wearing that white t-shirt and then like jumping in the pool to try and like get the attention of that boy. I feel like that was a really classy move, and I loved that. Um, it backfired on her, which is fair.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:39

I feel like this is the very, very fundamental difference between you and I parents. That is something you probably wouldn't do.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:45

See, I like using sex as a weapon, and she did that.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:50

To be fair, I was a fan of that scene. Class you can do it, you can do you should do it. Yeah, and also like it didn't work out. Also, this lame dude was just like in her ear, like, I can do all these things, and she's like, Don't push me in the water. I was like, just play this corny dude, please. Come on. But then also, yeah, it didn't work out, and she got played too.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:09

Yeah, which is nice, is refreshing.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:11

But Renee Esteves and her love interest, I felt like were actually kind of believable in their portrayal of like two people getting to know each other at camp and like kind of flirting. And usually, like, I hate when that happens, I usually think it's unbelievable, but they didn't do too much, they were just kind of like casual, they were kind of like magnetically drawn to each other and ended up spending more time together than they maybe had anticipated. Um, and it didn't feel like forced or like shoved down my throat, like this is a romantic relationship. Do you get it? Um, so I feel like that was actually surprisingly successful.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:41

I kind of like that they were the ones that got coupled up because in most movies it wouldn't be them, it would be the the jock or or the just like the meat head plus like whoever like the hop blonde is supposed to be. And I kind of like that that's not who he went for. He went for the person that he found interesting, and like their playful banter between the two of them was you know, cheesy or whatever, but it's kind of how cheesy relationships start where people are just like they'll just like ask like a meaningless question about the other person, and you know, the other person will answer in a meaningless way, and then they'll retort and whatever. Um, but I I did kind of like that. I didn't really like her character, I'll be honest.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:19

Really?

SPEAKER_00 1:11:19

I didn't.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:20

I enjoyed her.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:21

Yeah, like it was okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:24

She was to me similar to okay, aside from the fact that she's like, I'm telling.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:29

Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:29

She was to me like Lori Strode, and my sister, my own sister, uh, told me about this essay about like the girls who don't go woo. And it's about girls and and women in media and in stories who are not part of the I have to always be out here expressing my feelings and just like you know, drawing a lot of attention and doing things like, but really the women who are silently moving about the world being observant and carving their own path in that way. And I feel like Molly was very much that.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:59

See, I had some trouble with her because she reminded me of of some people I knew when I lived in Georgia. I didn't grow up in Georgia, I'm not from there, but I lived there as a teenager and early adult, and as someone who's not from there originally, um, it was a bit weird because a lot of people have this like act that they put on for the outside world where they have to come across as nice and have to come across as proper. And perhaps they even are, but they're like portraying it so heavily that it just makes them seem like they're grandmothers in public, but it's an act, and you can tell it's an act if you're not from there. And that and that bothers me. I didn't feel she was that genuine.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:38

Wow. So she you didn't feel like she was genuine because she was the only one discerning being discerning about her behavior?

SPEAKER_00 1:12:44

Not at all. I just felt like when she spoke about what she felt her beliefs were or her system of morals was, I feel like it was she was laying it on thick.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:56

That's weird. I didn't get that from her at all.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:57

Interesting. Perhaps it's a bit of my past.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:00

Maybe isn't it crazy how our past comes through these movies and how we feel about certain movies is like dependent on that?

SPEAKER_03 1:13:07

Because here's the other thing. Sure, their relationship was cute. I didn't really like Sean that much, and I was so glad to see him lose his head.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:13

Oh, I was too.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:14

He he moves about this movie, and you think he's some great guy, and then he has the moment to like really like you know stick it to Allie, and then as soon as Allie gets up from the table, he like looks back at Rob and he's like, So how was she? And it's like, okay, so you really are just like everybody else, but you're probably being a little bit more superficial to Woo Molly. And I don't know, I just I didn't care for him. He's probably he's definitely not the worst human in this movie, but he is just like every other dude in every other horror movie.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:42

They both seemed fake to me.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:43

Yeah, he was a warm douche, warm specifically.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:46

Because he wasn't quite hot, they but they both seemed fake, and I'm not saying the actors seemed fake in their portrayals, I'm saying like the characters themselves just seemed like they were like fake people. And I don't like fake people, you gotta be real around me.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:58

But Mac, just to be clear, you're not originally from Georgia?

SPEAKER_00 1:14:01

That is that is what I have meant to say clearly several times.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:05

But he didn't say that, so he is also fake.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:08

Right. You should hear that muddy accent every once in a while.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:13

Yeah, muddy. I'm a chameleon. That's the Gemini in you. I mean, we have talked to Heather about this from uh Nature vs. Narcissism, and I am the most likely, apparently, statistically, to be the serial killer in this situation, so I'm just putting on a knack the entire time of faking empathy, apparently. You're doing a great job. Thank you. I'm I'm glad you humans appreciate this android's hard work.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:35

For sure. One one final positive note I have for this movie is the pacing. It starts out really quickly with its kills and it keeps moving about them. And while I do feel a lot of the kills that we find at the end seem way too rushed in terms of like killing the new counselor that's replacing Angela or finding someone the body strung up, I did find myself paying attention to everything that was happening on screen. How do you guys feel about this pacing? I feel pretty good about it.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:01

I think the number of kills that you get in this movie really satisfies any issues you could have with pacing. Um, I like you said, it comes right out the jump like that. And then it does get a little bit much happening at the end, especially when you get like the room of just obscure dead bodies that have all been killed in various ways. But I I don't see that many people would would have an issue with the pacing.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:26

Yeah, I like that it kept moving. Um she literally kills everybody at the camp except one person, uh, so that felt thorough. Um and I like I said, I watched the third one and I know that these were made like back to back, but the third one really lacks humor. Um and it kind of was so boring. Like it's it's easily my least favorite of the three. Um and they also tried to tackle like racism and like uh socioeconomic issues, which I didn't feel like they needed to bring into it. Um but the pacing for this one felt kind of like a sweet spot.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:58

This franchise does a lot of things it doesn't need to reach into, but here we are. That's what she said.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:04

I do still need to see the fourth one, Chris, but I couldn't find it. So if you could send me that, that would be great.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:09

Do all the titles have colons in them?

SPEAKER_03 1:16:12

No. I love a good colon title.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:13

We all have a good colon, I bet.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:15

Uh Return to Sleep Away Camp does not, in fact, have a colon, but like in this instance, it's Sleep Way Camp 2, colon, Unhappy Campers, and I hated the movie, so it it tickles me. The title tickles me.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:28

Well, maybe that was uh a bit intentional, and if that was the intent, then I will give this movie way more credit. Might even slash it on title alone. So we've talked a lot about this movie, and uh, I think we have a few more little nuggets here. I know we've done a little bit of research already because when you start watching these things, you just can't stop. It's kind of like Pringles, but Mac, what do we have for factor fiction?

SPEAKER_00 1:16:48

Yeah, I mean, speaking of Pringles, let's talk about forest sex. Let's talk about awkward segues. Yeah, Allie and Rob hooked up in the forest. We all remember that. It was awkward, it was uncomfortable, he was lazy, and she thanked him. Um, but Valerie Hartman, who played Ally, had to act out the scene with an extra, not Terry Hobbs, who played Rob, an extra fact. I'll say fact, because the production on this movie was suspect.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:12

Fact.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:13

It was indeed a fact because Terry Hobbs was a minor, he was underage. I didn't think about that part.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:20

You mean actors playing their actual age? That's interesting.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:23

He was the only one who didn't look like an adult.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:27

And then let's talk about some other people aside from Ally and Rob, because I'm disgusted by that scene. But a popular prank on set would be to go group up on Pamela Springsteen, who played Angela, and then do uh, you know, singing and air guitaring born in the USA because she's Bruce Springsteen's sister.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:45

Fiction.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:46

I'm gonna say fiction too. That doesn't sound funny.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:49

Fiction, I think it's the daughter.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:52

Interesting. It's fiction because reportedly she didn't tell anybody that she was his sister.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:58

Oh sister, okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:59

That's so apparently some found out years later that they were related because she did apparently didn't mention it. Which is wild. I would have been throwing that left and right. Yo, you know Bruce Springsteen's sister?

SPEAKER_02 1:18:10

I wish she sounded like her brother when she was singing. I think we're also missing the very obvious point here. She's a very recognizable last name. How did nobody realize?

SPEAKER_00 1:18:18

That's the thing that I think is crazy. That supposedly they didn't realize for years.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:22

That's yeah, that is.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:23

Let's talk about Angela a little bit more. Not only was Phyllis Rose not chosen to return as Angela, but the VHS box art, and you actually might have seen this if you looked up the film, did not even use Pamela Springsteen as Angela, who played her in this movie.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:37

Fact.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:38

I'm convinced that that's true because I keep looking at that box art and I'm like, who is that woman? Was she in this movie?

SPEAKER_04 1:18:43

Yeah. Um, I'm gonna go with everyone else. Fact.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:46

Yeah, it was a fact. Apparently she wasn't available that day for the photo. So they used someone named Connie Craig.

unknown 1:18:52

What?

SPEAKER_03 1:18:53

Wasn't available one day.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:55

We couldn't just shoot it again.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:57

Couldn't do it.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:58

They couldn't have just used like a like a like a screen cap from the movie.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:01

The lack of confidence in this movie baffles me every step of the way.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:05

I mean, listen, it it ends up being a good a good movie poster, regardless of who's in it.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:10

That's true. Uh brief halftime break here. We're all at 100% right now. Just want everyone to note that because this has never happened. And now I've jinxed this.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:28

Yes, great job. Recalibrate your algorithm.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:34

Okay, last one up for you guys then. So we all remember the first one fondly, but the director of the first movie did not think it was such a great movie and decided to sell the film rights because he thought it was trash.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:46

Fiction. I mean, I don't I'm just that's just sounds like it's a good thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:50

It feels like the second ending of that is a lie. Oh gosh. Paris?

SPEAKER_01 1:19:56

I I know the answer to this one, so I I won't answer.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:58

Oh, dang it.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:59

This did come up in my extensive research.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:01

Okay, I'm gonna go fact. Did you go fiction? I went fiction. Alright, this is a good test here.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:06

And Paris, what's the answer? It was a fact. Well, I would say it's fiction. He didn't think it was bad.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:12

Yes, because Mackenzie added some nonsense to the end.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:15

Yeah, I didn't think he thought it was bad, but he did sell the rights. He did sell the rights, but why did he sell the rights, Chris?

SPEAKER_03 1:20:20

Uh, he ended up going to law school and he got out of filmmaking.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:22

Oh, see, that did not come up. Good for him. Could you imagine being attached to the whole like sequence of Sleepaway Camp movies after that?

SPEAKER_03 1:20:31

And let me just say this. The man went to law school, right? And then still somehow saw it fit to go to return to Sleepaway Camp and still made a shitty movie that is arguably shittier than this movie. Well, thank you so much for that rousing round of uh fact or fiction. So glad that we could even bust up a little bit of the research hounds here at the table. Um Sleepaway Camp to Unhappy Campers was an interesting ride. And I know a lot of people like this movie. Clearly, the majority here do, um, but still somehow it earned two s two hacks, right? So, Ryan, I'm glad that I I flew all this away just to be here in these COVID times. I flew here to join this hack with you so we could hack this together. Yes, let's hold hands while we do it. I'll hack with you anytime. Sleepaway camp 2 Unhappy campers has two hacks and three slashes. Uh again, you can find this movie streaming in a lot of places. We obviously want to know hear your voice. We want to know your thoughts on this movie, so please reach out to us. There are a number of ways you can. First at our website, hackerslash.com.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:28

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SPEAKER_02 1:21:31

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SPEAKER_03 1:21:44

Be careful about how much you share. She doesn't want to know that much about it.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:47

No pictures, please, thank you.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:48

Yeah, like a sex camp. And perhaps if you're still stuck in summer camp from age 15 until now, you could probably send us an email because you don't have phone reception out there to feedback at hackerslash.com.

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SPEAKER_03 1:22:10

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