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To be 60 in pigtails is disturbing.

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Greetings and salutations, and welcome to Hack or Slash. If you're joining us again, welcome back. Hope you brought that cranberry sauce. If this is your first time listening, welcome to the party. We are a horror movie review podcast dedicated to telling you whether a movie is a hack.

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A total joke, a waste of time, or a slash.

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Totally killer, pun intended.

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We believe horror is for everyone, and as such, we're rating these movies with a perspective we've each gained from our varying walks of life and those flavors of fear that we tend to fancy most. My name is Chris, I'm your friendly neighborhood slasher enthusiast. This week I'm joined by the Superfly Space Guy Mac.

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It's not cranberry sauce.

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The Cowardly Creeper Ryan. Hiya. And the Screaming Queen Paris.

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Hey sweets.

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We're a US-based podcast, and 'tis the Thanksgiving season around these parts. As such, we've got a seasonally appropriate movie lined up for this week. Fret not, it is not Thanksgiving 3. Before we get to give up the goods though, we have some follow-up regarding our last batch of holiday movies.

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We recently reviewed a few installments in the Halloween franchise, Halloween 3, Season of the Witch, and Halloween 4, The Return of Michael Myers.

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Hell yeah.

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Truly two very different movies. And we wanted to hear what our friends thought. So, first up, Halloween 3, Season of the Witch actually was very split. 55% gave it a hack and 45% gave it a slash. It was super close.

SPEAKER_01 1:28

Yeah, and when that movie originally came out, it would have been very highly favored in the hack territory. So I think we're making progress.

SPEAKER_03 1:35

You know, I guess it's aging well. We have a couple comments from our listeners. Uh Darren on Facebook said, This was the first Halloween film I watched, so I have a soft spot for it. But I can see how this would be a total hack to some people. Although it is nice to hear Halloween 3 getting some love recently, as it's been kind of dismissed over the years. I just wish it hadn't been released under the Halloween name so it could be judged on its own merits.

SPEAKER_02 1:55

Totally agree. That's exactly the problem.

SPEAKER_03 1:57

Yeah, and also I can't imagine this being like the first Halloween movie you see.

SPEAKER_00 2:00

Same. I think they honestly should go back and re-release the movies retitled to remove the numbers and just like throw in the subtitle and then, you know, choose your own adventure.

SPEAKER_01 2:10

That would be interesting, but I will say that even I think one of our friends, Jason, commented at some point, and he noted how carpenter-esque that Halloween 3 feels, and I feel like that's a very astute observation.

SPEAKER_03 2:20

I feel that too. We also have a comment from one of our patrons, Ash, who said, I saw the original Halloween on TV when I was 12. Nothing cinematic has ever affected me as much before or since. So approaching this sequel without Myers when it was released was a difficult pill to swallow. I've since learned to appreciate it as its own entity, and I think that's how you have to look at this movie. Moving on to Halloween 4, the return of Michael Myers, uh, surprisingly, it also got 55% hack and 45% slash.

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It was very highly favored on Instagram, though. Instagram showed up for Michael Myers.

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Truly, Instagram and Twitter have very different tastes on these polls. We have a comment from one of our friends Tony, who's a patron. He said, I loved his return, loved Daniel Harris's performance, and obviously we love Loomis. Having a leading child does it for me in horror because I can't think of anything more horrific than something happening to one of my nieces. A well done slash.

SPEAKER_01 3:12

Tony has great taste. I feel like he and I vibe very well.

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We also have a comment from one of our patrons, Daniel, who said, I have to be 100% honest. I prefer this movie over Halloween 2018. I got such a gothic cold feeling from Halloween 4, and it's executed so well. Daniel Harris just kills this performance. My two favorite scenes in this are the ending and the rooftop scene. And I think that's fair. Daniel Harris is a breakout star in this movie.

SPEAKER_01 3:35

Oh yeah, absolutely. And one of our other patrons, Zach, actually chimed in with very similar feelings and you know talked about how not many movies can end on such a PTSD reaction to a killing spree the way this one did, which I thought was very great. He also showed a lot of love to Paris and said that Paris is one of his favorites, although he thinks his opinion on this movie is total trash.

SPEAKER_03 3:55

I avoided reading that one to not show bias.

SPEAKER_01 3:58

Well, you know, it's all right.

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But thank you so much, Zach. I see you and I appreciate you as well. Hopefully uh I will regain your faith in my hacks and slashes moving forward. Finally, we just want to thank one of our newest patrons, Carrie. Carrie, thank you so much for supporting our podcast. It means a lot to us that you've gone out of your way to show us some love. So thank you so much.

SPEAKER_01 4:17

Absolutely. And in the spirit of thanking, let's talk about what Thanksgiving is supposed to be. Yes, Thanksgiving is supposed to be a time for gratitude, unity, reflection. But hey, in many cases, it's an awkward family reunion where tensions boil, drama ensues, and relationships turn sour before everyone just goes shopping the next day. And what is one of the most grotesque examples of capitalism in our country? But what better time to explore a movie that exploits a little bit of everything? This week's film is an 80 slasher set on a Thanksgiving in Jacksonville, Florida, and follows a young man escaping a psychiatric institution in hopes of finding his mother and protecting her from his homicidal twin brother. And let me tell you folks, given the wild antics that ensue, this might just be the most Florida man of all 80s slashers. This week, we're talking about complex, also known as Slasher, also known as Nightmare at Shadow Woods, but more commonly known to you folks as Blood Rage. Now, this is a rare one that I've heard absolutely nothing about. How about you folks?

SPEAKER_02 5:16

Well, I know so little about this movie that even after watching it I didn't realize it was taking place in Florida.

SPEAKER_01 5:21

Yep, here we are.

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So that's that's where I'm at.

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But does it make sense now?

SPEAKER_01 5:26

It makes sense, that's for sure. Only in Florida could a series of events happen such as this. And let me tell you that I am one who has never understood the Florida man shit. Like I'm a very proud Floridian. However, the Bath Salt cannibalism that that drew the line for me. I I do understand now why everyone jokes about Florida.

SPEAKER_03 5:43

I personally had never heard of this movie. I also didn't realize it had so many titles. Uh, this this was a weird one, to be honest. Um, going into it, the name Blood Rage is the name I was aware of. Um, and I kind of thought it would be like a over-the-top, kind of like very like masculine. I got like masculine energy from that name, almost like Fast and the Furious energy. And I'm honestly not sure if that was what I got. I'm still a little confused.

SPEAKER_00 6:08

You know, that name definitely inspired thoughts in my head. My roommate and I were both joking that Blood Rage sounds like a late 80s Jean-Claude Van Dan film versus a horror film. Um, and I obviously have not seen this before. I actually hadn't heard of it. I didn't watch the trailer, I didn't read a synopsis. I just looked it up on Tubi and hit play. And as soon as we made it into like the first scene where it like says Jacksonville, Florida, I was like, oh, this is a horror movie already.

SPEAKER_01 6:36

Yeah, and let's be clear here, this is on Tubi, but it's also on AMC Plus. So I feel like when you go in and it's like if you cue your Apple TV, ask you to pull up Blood Rage, you'll expect something when you see it on Tubi. But when I saw it was on AMC Plus, I was like, man, what am I in store for here? And while I hadn't heard about this movie at all, it actually was a random draw from our database and particularly the options that matched for Thanksgiving. A lot of folks were excited about this one though. So Darren reached out to us on Facebook to convey his excitement and also sent us a picture of a shirt his sister made for him with a cranberry sauce quote for this movie. Given that, I didn't know what to expect, but but seeing that excitement from our listeners gave me hope that this would be a fun ride. And boy, was uh was it a ride. I I was entertained, I'll say. I think I was entertained by how awkward and uncomfortable it was.

SPEAKER_02 7:23

Well, I went in, tried to like make an expectation right based off of literally just looking at it in 2B. And it's got a nice little graphic, and uh I really was expecting like a camp murder situation. I was expecting a machete in a camp.

SPEAKER_03 7:38

I could feel that.

SPEAKER_02 7:39

Yeah, that was the I mean I don't know why it was called I don't think blood rage was really the best decision anyone's made. Because it's hereditary. Yeah, I mean, I get it, I just don't like it. While I was watching, I felt a lot of uh why am I here right now doing this? That's what I felt a lot of. Do teens have this much sex? Those were most of my things. The answer is no, by the way.

SPEAKER_00 8:03

Do adults also no.

SPEAKER_01 8:05

Well, I think it depends on the adult that you are and the time of life you're in. If you're single, if you're casually playing the field. Someone has sex this much, just not many people.

SPEAKER_03 8:16

I stand by my comment. While watching this, I was mostly confused, um, but also entertained. So it was it was a weird balance because there were moments where I was like, oh, this is actually really good for what it is. And then there were other times where I was like, what is this? Uh so it was it was a mixed bag for me.

SPEAKER_02 8:34

Is it porn?

SPEAKER_03 8:35

Oh, yeah. It's adjacent. I was really struck by like the first scene because you get this like super 80s soundtrack and like a very like 80s setting, and then you get like a really over-the-top kind of in your face kill. And I was like, it said it set a very specific tone, and then moving forward, it kind of upheld that tone, but in like a weird way. It's it's hard to describe what I'm trying to say.

SPEAKER_01 8:58

An indescribable something. I mean, it's accurate. That is a very reasonable thing to say about this movie.

SPEAKER_00 9:04

This was definitely the weirdest episode of Days of Our Lives I've ever seen. Oh seriously, they they outdid themselves in this one. But it it it gave me a lot of opportunities to laugh. I'll say that. There was a lot of moments that were absolutely hilarious, and maybe that's because we watch a lot of horror films, but I found it kind of funny. And there were parts of it, parts of it that were very entertaining. I'll I I will admit that, and other parts that were like you mentioned, some of the gore just I don't know, it didn't really match the rest of the film for me. Like it was like so beyond that when I'm watching it, I was just like, this is I don't know, it's like the two things didn't add up together, but somehow in the end it became its own film because of that.

SPEAKER_01 9:46

And so it it's interesting that you point that out, and I want to follow that train of thought because the gore and the vibe of the rest of the film are kind of the two things that surprised me most about it. One, the gore for me felt pretty great, like it's weird, but then it gets really intense all of a sudden. It's like, whoa, we're like I've seen worse gore in more mainstream slasher movies. But the other thing that surprised me was just how absurd the acting was or the attempts at acting. It was overacting, it was underacting, it was just mediocre in some places. However, I had to like stop and and check myself because I have to like remind myself, wait, no, this is a B movie. This isn't upper echelon, so this isn't like the top-tier stuff. This is something that has a very specific styling. And I think one of the performances that we get in this movie, and it's actually one of like the main characters, he has a performance that that shows just a lot of range for himself, and I was kind of impressed by that. Like if you squint your eyes just right, you think, hey, that guy probably has some some measure of talent. Is that generous? Maybe, but it's there. You're being so kind.

SPEAKER_00 10:55

I I did feel that, you know. There's some moments when you're watching people where you're like, why have we frozen this frame on this person's face as they're making the most absurd facial expression?

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Oh, oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:07

I was definitely surprised by some of those moments because there were so many of them. And honestly, it was one of the characters over and over again. Like other characters, we would just kind of flash on by. Like some of the some of the scenes were so fast, like kills were just like left and right, but then there's like one character that we would always just freeze the frame, like let them express themselves. And I was like, Well, I don't, I didn't expect this. Like, again, there we're another scene where an entire interaction between the killer and a character would take 0.5 seconds, but yet this one character would be like upset about something for 72 minutes on screen. I think I know which character you're talking about, Mac.

SPEAKER_02 11:45

Does she have a drinking problem?

SPEAKER_03 11:46

That's the one I'm thinking of. I was ultimately very surprised by the level of gore in this, uh, for sure. At some times the quality of gore. Uh, but like Chris, you were mentioning, it feels like there's a really wide array of different performances from the cast here. It it felt like nobody was in the same movie. Some people were giving you like one thing while another character was giving you like the complete opposite, and it all blended together to create something that was like truly bizarre to watch.

SPEAKER_01 12:14

Oh, yeah. They blew the budget on one person, and then yeah, everyone else, just whoever you can get.

SPEAKER_03 12:18

I couldn't even tell you who that one person is. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 12:21

Yeah, I'm I'm pretty much on the same page. I think what surprised me the most was actually like the writing, and it's not a good surprise.

SPEAKER_04 12:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:29

There's what Mac is saying, there's like these moments where some characters are just on screen for so long, and then some of the content of what they're on screen for is just like, what are we doing here? And and why are you such a horrible person? Andor character. Yeah. So I think for me, it's like there's an opening scene in this movie that really, really intrigued me. And then they were like, Cool, you're here now. I'm gonna do everything that sucks. It I don't know. I think you'll be able to tell by the way we're talking about this. It's really hard to describe this movie and really kind of uh a bit difficult to digest as a whole.

SPEAKER_03 13:06

It's weird.

SPEAKER_01 13:07

And I think when it comes down to that digestion, right? When we started the show, we went a little tangential on Thanksgiving in our first year. We did a movie that takes place over Thanksgiving break at a college. Then we went full-on Thanksgiving in our second year. And let me tell you, realizing now that it was only a year ago that that happened, I feel like it happened a lifetime ago. And that is a rough realization. This movie, I think because it's so weird, it is a perfect match for Thanksgiving because there's so much weird shit that happens over Thanksgiving. Like you're either like in this really wholesome family that makes a lot of sense and everything's great, or you're just in this ambiguous, like dumpster fire of a situation where you know you got Thanksgiving clapbacks and whatnot. So I feel like the energy there, it's not my family, but it's what I imagine other families to be with like 20% less homicide.

SPEAKER_03 13:59

Only 20%.

SPEAKER_00 14:00

That's what I was thinking the same thing.

SPEAKER_01 14:02

Only 20% because you know that shit's wild somewhere. In Jacksonville.

SPEAKER_00 14:06

I think this is gonna be an especially tough year for Thanksgiving if you're visiting your family. One, because of we, you know, the fact that we just were getting through this whole election process, and then two, because of COVID. So I I think Thanksgiving this year is probably gonna be scarier than this movie was.

SPEAKER_01 14:21

Potentially, yeah. There's gonna be some difficult conversations around the country. So you know, peace be with you. Hope you're tuning in for our podcast on the drive up or the drive back, and hopefully we can distract you from the madness. Yeah, be smart.

SPEAKER_02 14:33

Don't talk politics with your family. It's not a good idea.

SPEAKER_03 14:35

I'm with you though, Mac. I was not at all scared by this movie. Um, if anything, I may be perturbed by the minds of some of the people working on this project, but that's about it.

SPEAKER_02 14:45

Not perturbed by the characters, but by the minds of the producers. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 14:50

So many strange choices were made.

SPEAKER_02 14:52

Yeah, I mean, you know, it's not scary. It's like you get some good, like, kill music. That's all that's pretty much all I got.

SPEAKER_01 15:01

Yeah, I mean, that's that's accurate. I think one of the movies' strong points is its audio. But I will say that while this movie isn't scary, I've never seen anything quite like it. And I feel like I've I I've been on a trend this year in particular of finding a lot of movies that are just this unique blend of nonsense that I haven't seen before. This movie feels like Maury Povich meets true crime, something on investigation discovery meets a really shitty like student film project. But it combines to lift it out of like the exact bottom of the barrel shittiness, and it like it almost develops its own vibe that I can kind of respect. Yeah, I guess it's unique.

SPEAKER_02 15:43

It's so hard here. I would say that the basis of the story is unique for a horror film, and uh and and and honestly actually pretty strong for a horror film.

SPEAKER_00 15:53

I think that's credit, that's that's due. I think the first scene of this movie sets it up really well, and then we get through some some mud to get to the good content eventually. Um but I I think the killer hits their stride where they start having fun with what they're doing. They're the honestly the only person having fun in this film, um, aside from the other young folk doing some some naughty things, but on screen at least. They eventually hit this point where they've just they've completely switched over. And we've seen that obviously from other killers, but this killer switches from like stone faced and just brutality to this is this is my idea of a good time, and they just let it be seen. So that was that was a little bit different for me, which I liked.

SPEAKER_03 16:39

See, I feel like like the premise being evil twin isn't original, like you like you said, Mac, it's very like days of our lives or like soap operas or even pretty little liars. Um, but the direction that they took with it uh going completely off the rails ended up in a place that felt original.

SPEAKER_01 16:56

I will say though that I have seen the some themes are similar in another movie. If you want to see an 80 slasher that's not necessarily similar to similar to this, but takes a specific plot device and does it better, you can watch the initiation from 1984. That was a good movie, takes place in a department store for like a sorority pledge initiation thing. It definitely is this like unique blend of things, but I don't know that its quirkiness justifies the last visual thing we see. The ending as a whole, I think is pretty interesting. There's a lot happening, it's a little bit like what the fuck all over the place, but I don't think it should have ended on that like one image we get. And uh, how do you guys feel about that?

SPEAKER_03 17:41

I didn't care for the ending overall. Surprisingly though, it looked really good, like the lighting in the final scenes and like the composition I thought were like notably uh nice throughout the or compared to the rest of the film. Um, but the the story ending, I was kind of just like, what? What are we doing here? Um, so I was not a fan.

SPEAKER_02 18:02

See, I quite liked the end. I felt like it brought a lot of the story together, made a lot of sense, um, and you know, give us a little bit of a twist. It was not necessarily surprising, but I I enjoyed it. I'm I'm actually a fan, you know, after all the trash I've been talking. I I think the end did what it needed to do for this movie. Oh.

SPEAKER_03 18:21

I would also like to add that I I may be confused by what happened in the ending, which may be affecting my my perception.

SPEAKER_01 18:27

Yep, that might that might be the case. I think there's a good reason why you're confused because there is some weird stuff. I think there is definitely a lot of one plus one equals two in the ending. However, they try to slip in a variable, like one of those letters in there, like you get in algebra, and shit gets weird for a little bit. But there is a hilarious thing about the ending that I can't wait to talk about later. Because I saw that and I was like, see, now that is a realistic reaction to this whole situation. Oh, it's my favorite thing.

SPEAKER_02 18:53

I know exactly what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_00 18:56

Oh, I can't wait. Well, the ending for me was was like half and half. I think story wise, we get to a point where I was very happy, and I think we should have just like gone to black at that point, and the movie's done, but they kept going for like a little bit longer, which made it so much worse. They took a decent ending and kind of twisted it into mediocrity. So uh half and half. I think it's it's part good, and then they had they should have left something out.

SPEAKER_02 19:19

So basically, the whole movie is they had some good ideas and then they messed them up.

SPEAKER_01 19:25

That's not necessarily an unfair observation. So this movie is half good, it's half bad, but you know, there's no half good, half bad on this show when it comes to our ratings. Before we get into the actual scoring, Ryan, in Alexis' absence, how many people got wrecked in this movie? So a solid 11 people got wrecked in blood rage. That's a big Thanksgiving party.

SPEAKER_02 19:48

Yeah, it's like a whole dinner party and they're all gone now. Mm-hmm. Indeed. Now, what about the animal report? So fortunately, we have no turkeys in this movie. Okay, no Thankskilling, no live turkeys trying to kill people. That's what matters the most to me during Thanksgiving horror movies is that there's not a turkey cussing and killing. Our animal report is clear.

SPEAKER_01 20:07

We're all good. Excellent. Well, let's go ahead and start getting into the ratings then. Blood Rage from 1987. Was it a hack or a slash?

SPEAKER_03 20:16

I'll go first. Uh, this is a hack for a multitude of reasons. Initially, it started out as like a bad 80s slasher, but the fun kind. So my boyfriend and I were making fun of it. We were having a good time, we were laughing. Uh, and then we were like, oh, this movie can't be that much longer. And we looked at it and there was still an hour left. And we're like, okay, let's we can keep going. We're gonna watch this through to the end. Um, and it just it got to a point where the sequence of events started making less and less sense, and it was just kind of stuff happening, uh, people dying. The kills, I think, were actually the highlight of this movie, and some of them were very fun, and the gore was actually really solid. Um, but some of the characters are in this, specifically the mom, was like one hideously disfigured, two absolutely insane to watch like interact and move about the world uh in a way that I was just like, is this woman like an Oscar-winning actress, or is she just like disturbed in the mind? And I don't have an answer for you. Ultimately, this movie didn't make up for anything in the end, so it still ended on the hack side. Uh, and at one point I thought to myself, you know, sometimes these podcast movies just like waste a night. So this is a definition waste of time.

SPEAKER_02 21:27

Uh, you know, Paris, you're not wrong. Okay. You know, this movie is a hack. It's not good. I don't think it's enjoyable unless you're the type of person that finds joy in really trash 80s horror. And sure, it's a B movie, but we've seen good B movies, you know, like there's uh there's some solid kills here. There's some things. They start with a really good storyline that's really intriguing. And I like went in, you know, not prep not prepared for for very much. And the opening scene is really exciting. And I'm like, oh man, this is great. And then there's pie being thrown at the wall. And I was like, okay, things are escalating. We end up with uh an absolute psychopath of a mother, but not like in a fun way, just in like a way that makes you think, maybe I don't need to drink alcohol anymore. Maybe alcohol is not for people. Maybe humans shouldn't consume that, you know? I felt like there were like three settings in this movie, right? We have like a pool, a house, and like a park. They just keep going through the same places, and I don't know. There's just so many things. I you guys know I don't like like a group of teenagers out doing things all the time. I don't know. Is that a dumb thing for me to say? It's whatever. This movie kind of sucks. It's not the worst movie I've ever seen. It's so much better than Thanksgiving. I'm so glad we don't have to watch Thanksgiving this year, but it's pretty bad. Aside from the line about the cranberry sauce, that was the best part of the whole movie.

SPEAKER_00 22:52

Cranberry sauce is pretty amazing on its own. It's no sweet potatoes. Gotta say that. Give me some yams with some marshmallows, man.

SPEAKER_01 22:58

It's no stuffing. But with stuffing? Everything that you just said disgusts me. What? You can leave. I hate all of it.

SPEAKER_00 23:06

We have an amazing egg stuffing in my family that comes from the Italian ancestry. Egg. It's so it's it's called an egg stuffing, but it's not really like a stuffing. It's really cool. It's like a ton of eggs, a ton of cheese.

SPEAKER_04 23:17

Oh no.

SPEAKER_00 23:18

It's delicious. It's really hearty. It's like Lord of the Rings, like like elf bread, basically. Like you eat one piece and you're done for the night.

SPEAKER_01 23:25

I don't think so. If you ever need a clear indication of how Mac feels on a movie, he will start the rating by not talking about the rating. And that's how we start.

SPEAKER_00 23:36

I was just responding to cranberry sauce, but I will I'll I'll keep it I'll keep it simple. Kind of like I I felt about the ending. This movie is like it's part good and it's and it's part bad. It's got some good stuff in it. The killer again is having fun in certain points. There's some good one-liners. And yeah, so then there's the rest of the movie. End of list. Right. No, like I like you mentioned, I like the beginning. I like some of the other stuff that happened here and there. But the rest of the movie, I remember we're we're watching this, and I'm watching this with my girlfriend and my roommate. And at some point, my roommate reads my mind and said, This is a hack.

SPEAKER_04 24:11

So it should be pretty apparent.

SPEAKER_00 24:13

I consider it hack. I don't think it's the worst thing I've ever seen. Like we know how bad things can get. This isn't that bad. But it's not on the slasher side.

SPEAKER_02 24:21

Can I ask a question of the room? What dish is this at Thanksgiving? Which what dish does this movie align with?

SPEAKER_00 24:28

I got it. What's yours? This is the green bean castro.

SPEAKER_02 24:31

That's exactly what I was gonna say. It's exactly what I was saying.

SPEAKER_00 24:33

Somebody else brought to the table.

SPEAKER_02 24:34

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 24:35

Your family didn't make this. Yep, the visitors. It's cold, it's not even hot anymore, and it's soggy. Yep.

SPEAKER_02 24:39

Oh my god. I'm so glad because that's exactly what I think it is. Chris, do you have a differing opinion?

SPEAKER_01 24:44

So that is a good question, and I want to to fold it into my response about this movie because it's just like it's all over the place. First off, I'm not a Thanksgiving person. I could care less about the holiday. It's one that I always volunteered for duty, like in the Navy because I was like, y'all can go chill. I don't I don't give a shit about it. It's just not it's just not my thing, you know? Like Christmas, yes. New Year's, yes. Halloween, absolutely. Thanksgiving is just meh. This movie is is such an odd one. The acting is truly terrible. With the exception of our boy who plays both Terry and Todd, who shows great range as both characters. It's just two ends of the spectrum there. Is it the best acting you've ever seen? Hell no. But there's some there's some variety there, and variety is a spice of life. It's absurdly cheesy, it's got some really solid gore, it has a lot of moments that linger way too long. Mac, you were saying that earlier. Lots of dialogue that lasts way too long, and yet somehow something about it just feels a little charming. Really campy B-movie charming. It's definitely not one that I would can I would think about like, what's a good 80 slasher? Blood rage. It's not that. And I think when you're talking about Thanksgiving dishes, right? Like you guys like cranberry sauce, you like yams, you like all that marshmallow nonsense. And I hate all of those things, but I love green bean casserole. It is actually one of the few Thanksgiving foods that I love, and I love it for leftovers. No, you better not.

SPEAKER_00 26:10

She's gonna do you just like it because you have those little fried onions on top.

SPEAKER_01 26:13

Yes, I like it crunchy, and every time I've had it, I've I've never suffered through it where it's like super soggy, right? Like I like green bean casserole, mac and cheese, and some kind of bread variation. I don't even care about the meat at the table, like those three things, and I'm good.

SPEAKER_02 26:28

You better not.

SPEAKER_01 26:29

At the end of the day, this movie is is fun, but it's a weird fun. And again, it's like this fine line. It's like the fun that you should have with friends. Watching this movie talking shit about it, it's the movie that brings people together. It's not the movie that you sit back and watch, I want to watch a fucking great horror movie. For me, it's not. For our boy Darren, probably. Darren, I can't wait to hear what you think about this movie. I know you were excited for us to talk about it. Sorry, the results have been as they are so far. Don't make him feel better. But look, this movie is a total joke. Like, that is the the end result, right? But it's not a waste of time for me. It's not. It's how dare you! This is a very specific watch that can work in a very specific way. I like this better than I like Sleepaway Camp 2. Uh-huh. Because Slepaway Camp 2 gave you camp and cheese on the heels of like a really good first slasher. And this is just so bad that it's good. Slepaway Camp 2 for me wasn't bad enough in its in its goodness. So despite all the hacking that occurs in this movie, it gets a soft slash from me. Good recommendation if you want to quell your anxieties while the world is falling apart outside.

SPEAKER_02 27:36

No. If you want to fix your anxiety, uh, the great British Bake Show. That's what you should watch. You should want to watch this movie.

SPEAKER_00 27:43

Yeah, new episode every week.

SPEAKER_01 27:44

But if you want to watch death, then this is not a bad one to go to. The gore lifts this movie into a slash soft slash rating. There are lots of knives on the bake show.

SPEAKER_03 27:53

The gore carries this movie.

SPEAKER_01 27:55

I would watch this again if I wanted to watch a gory, cheesy 80s movie that I wasn't super invested in. Because you love horror.

SPEAKER_00 28:03

Yes. This is the pun intended part of Totally Killer.

SPEAKER_01 28:06

Yeah. A hundred percent. Yes. Oh, Mac, that is beautiful. And there we have the folks. Blood Rage from 1987 has earned three totally reasonable hacks and one slightly confused, slightly delirious, soft slash. Now, we have a lot to talk about in this movie because there are some insane kills, some really intense gore. The special effects artists on this movie ended up going on to make the special effects for like one of the Terminator movies. So some high quality there, some things to consider. You can find this movie, as we mentioned, streaming free on Tubi or on AMC Plus if you roll like that and you're just too good for Tubi, I guess. Check it out. Join us in the second half, and we'll get down to business.

SPEAKER_00 28:58

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SPEAKER_01 30:01

Alright, welcome back, folks. You are now entering the spoiler zone for Blood Rage, which takes place on Thanksgiving, and at any good Thanksgiving table, there is always one person who is the odd one out. And tonight, folks, that is me. This movie earned three hacks and one soft slash. Now, we have a lot to talk about. There is a number of wild things in this movie, but one of the best things about it is it's gore as unanimously agreed upon. Now, Ryan, again in Alexis' absence, watch our gore score.

SPEAKER_02 30:29

As always, these are difficult shoes to fill. But this movie, this movie didn't make it too bad for me. I think we have a good amount of gore in here. I especially for a movie in the 80s. Granted, it's late 80s, you know, we're getting closer to the 90s, but I mean, everything got cut off in this movie. There's nothing but decapitations and uh severed limbs, and it's just pretty much every single kill, honestly, is uh something cut off and squirting blood. So it's definitely got some gore. It would be hard to deny that. We start with like a pretty intense uh scene at the movies, of course, and with a hatchet to the face through a window. Well, yeah, like to a person on top of another person. So it's kind of a lot, kind of um this is the type of gore where you shouldn't question how it happened, you just understand that it happened. Don't don't ask about how hard bones are to cut through, just let it go.

SPEAKER_03 31:24

Or the strength of a child.

SPEAKER_01 31:25

Exactly. And to add to that, right? Like you know, if you have sex in a horror movie, uh, you're gonna probably die. And this whole opening scene just covers a bunch of sex crazed people doing it at a drive-in. So there's a lot to go around there. So it just, you know, the amount that that is built up, I feel like it builds up the amount of gore you get in your first kill.

SPEAKER_02 31:44

Agreed. And remind me to come back to sex crates because I have a whole theory.

SPEAKER_03 31:48

Oh, Ryan, I think I know what theory you have cooking up, but I can't wait to talk about it with you.

SPEAKER_02 31:52

Oh, yeah. We'll see. I don't quite know how to phrase it, but I know what I think. We'll see how it goes. So I I think I'll just go straight into my favorite kill because there's so many here to choose from. So my favorite kill, which I think I'm, you know, I'm kind of cheating a little bit. I didn't know this was gonna be like the theme of the movie, but the cranberry sauce line is obviously the best part of the entire movie. And, you know, my favorite kill comes right after that, where we get the carving fork to the throat for with uh Artie. It's kind of silly because we saw that one coming. We knew it was like he literally he stood behind him for maybe 10 minutes with the carving fork, but it ended up just being so satisfying. And like, of course, the way he's like, that's not cranberry sauce, Artie.

SPEAKER_01 32:35

Plot twist, it was cranberry sauce used for the blood.

SPEAKER_03 32:39

Yum. Oh, really?

SPEAKER_01 32:40

No, I'm kidding.

SPEAKER_02 32:41

I am totally bullshitting. Oh, fact factor fiction, but is it uncomfortable that it made me really want cranberry sauce? Because I really love cranberry sauce.

SPEAKER_01 32:50

You really are channeling your inner Alexis right now.

unknown 32:53

I know.

SPEAKER_00 32:55

Hey, Chris, you did send me that video uh from from Katie Sackoff on YouTube, and I started watching a couple others, and I think uh the person recording her, is that her husband? But so he asked her, like, what is blood taste like because of all the fake blood that you deal with in movies? And she was like, actually, it's really sweet, tastes like corn syrup.

SPEAKER_01 33:11

Blood tastes like sugar, yeah. And then she gives like the crazy eyes into the camera, it's like one of the best things. I love it. We'll drop the link in the show notes. You may know Katie Sackhoff from Halloween Resurrection folks. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:22

So, what was everyone's favorite kill?

SPEAKER_00 33:24

I need to go first on this, or at least second to you, uh, so no one else steals it, but it's Dr. Berman. Excellent choice. Thank you. And it's so good because it shows us that Terry has Michael Myers' strength, apparently, and can literally cut people in half with a machete.

SPEAKER_02 33:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:42

And I don't know what kind of machete is severing spinal columns, but this this dude has some skills and some strength, apparently.

SPEAKER_01 33:49

Yeah. He for sure channeled his inner Jason Voorhees from Friday the 13th, part three, when he cut Andy clean in half.

SPEAKER_00 33:56

So impressive. I don't know how it happened, but to see it on screen was absolutely insane for this film. Like, I didn't expect that.

SPEAKER_02 34:03

Yeah, maybe let's say uh she has osteoporosis and her bones are low density. Because let me tell you, machete and bones not going the way it went in this movie.

SPEAKER_03 34:11

I particularly love that kill two Mac because the shot before it we see the deranged mom pouring like the largest glass of wine ever and struggling to dial a rotary phone, just like really doing her own thing, kind of outside of the movie, and then cuts immediately to the severed torso on the ground, just like wiggling and struggling. And I was like, oh, so she's dead, dead, dead.

SPEAKER_02 34:31

It was fast.

SPEAKER_03 34:32

It was it was like such a jarring cut.

SPEAKER_02 34:34

Yes, a quick leaving of this earth. It happened very fast, and she was in shambles.

SPEAKER_01 34:40

It's definitely one of those moments, you know. In the past, we've talked about WTF meaning, wow, the fuck? It's about like an Alexis realization in these movies with Gore. And that was one of those for me because it was like, you know, the killer is just, you know, Terry's just walking up to her and she's screaming and standing still and not trying to get away at all, which is bizarre. But then to go back and just see how intense that brutality was, yeah, Paris, I agree. That was that was an interesting editing choice.

SPEAKER_03 35:06

I gotta give my favorite kill to uh a double whammy that we got on the diving board with Greg and Andrea. Um, one because Greg was the closest one to being hot in this movie and getting to see his butt. I was like, oh, look at that little butt. Wasn't a great butt, but it was butt nonetheless. Uh and then the two of them just being killed while having sex missionary on a diving board was just like, what? It was something I've never seen before, and I hope I never see again.

SPEAKER_01 35:29

Yeah, all you swimmers out there, is that like what you guys are into? Because it seems kind of weird.

SPEAKER_00 35:33

Hey, look, don't yuck anyone's yum. The texture on those diving boards would like hurt your back.

SPEAKER_02 35:37

Okay, well, first and foremost, diving boards are basically illegal now. And second, what really got me is where they were in the tennis court first, and he was like, No, no, no. I have something in mind. Like, this is what you had in mind?

SPEAKER_03 35:50

This they went all over.

SPEAKER_02 35:52

Why did we get such a wide shot of it? I didn't want it.

SPEAKER_01 35:55

Yeah. You had to like really fully appreciate the length of their bodies intertwined on that board.

SPEAKER_03 36:01

And then I love that they ended up in the sauna.

SPEAKER_01 36:03

Very romantic.

SPEAKER_03 36:04

They were just like, let's keep them naked and just like re-relocate them for another nude shot.

SPEAKER_01 36:08

Very artsy.

SPEAKER_03 36:09

They were looking for any opportunity to show her nipples.

SPEAKER_01 36:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:12

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 36:13

I it's funny. I I wrote down three because I was so sure that my favorite kill would get snagged. So I think that speaks highly to the level of kill in this movie. But mine is Brad. It's getting his hand cut off with a beer, which was weird enough because he was listening to this Jesus radio show, and it says this is the Lord Never Sleeps Bible show, and since the Lord never sleeps, neither do we. And it just seems like such a weird juxtaposition, like cracking open a cold one, listening to the Lord not sleeping, and then getting your hand cut off with a machete. But then when we see his body posed later, his hands are just like are just like propping up his head and like, Wait, is he alive groaning in pain? I'm I'm it's it's taking a bit to like really piece this together. When Maddie comes into the room and you his body lur lurches forward, you realize he's been cut in half hot dog style, at least his head, and that was a great payoff for the disappointing amount of gore that you get up front. The hand was its own thing, you think it's over, and then bam, Brad comes back at again.

SPEAKER_02 37:15

Yes, that is uh actually one of my honorable mentions for the gore. So we have the the brain that we see of Brad that was ooey-gooey and pretty gnarly, and also the decapitation of Bill, where he just hanging in front of the door was so intense.

SPEAKER_01 37:33

That was my second place. Yeah. Fun fact that is the special effects guy for this movie. The that character, Bill.

SPEAKER_02 37:40

Oh, that's crazy. Oh, and so my last little shout out for the gore is the machete through the chest of Julie. That thing the way he just pulled it out, and he's like, Why? You'd want to have some fun? Like, oh, that was a that one that that one was pretty gruesome, I have to say.

SPEAKER_01 37:56

My third place went to drive-in, dude, because that was a way to kick off a movie, right? Like all that blood spraying onto the popcorn. But look, I'm curious about what this theory is because it just reminds me, like, I can't think about that kill without realizing that his date ran off starkly naked into the night, uh, screaming. Nice butt.

SPEAKER_03 38:15

Yeah, that was a nicer butt.

SPEAKER_01 38:16

So obviously, these drive-in kids were were super sex crazed, Ryan. What's that theory of yours?

SPEAKER_02 38:21

Yeah, so I don't know. There's definitely this tone in this movie, like everyone's real sex crazed, and not like a regular sex craze, but like literally it almost like if you had aliens and you made everyone in a town have like a hive mindset and you were like, make them only think about sex. That's kind of how it was in this movie.

SPEAKER_01 38:42

This is an episode of Rick and Morty, yes.

SPEAKER_02 38:44

Yeah, exactly. So, you know, there's just so many things, and like, you know, I understand like people not knowing that they're in the friend zone and they're trying to hit on you, and uh fiance of the mother trying to kiss her to make her feel better, but there's just so much that it just got like really intense. Obviously, we have a lot of mommy issues happening in this movie, but I feel like there's some like underlying uh I don't know exactly what because it's not really clear, but some underlying like Christian abstinence, you shouldn't be as provocative as you're being. I don't know. There's something like that going on because of the scene with Brad. Yeah, right? That's like it's pretty prominent, it's very intense in that moment and it's very specific. It's not like you had to pay attention to it. That's like all you hear.

SPEAKER_01 39:36

That is such a good take.

SPEAKER_02 39:37

Yeah, I mean, I don't know. It's I I don't have a full theory about it because kind of the movie didn't give me one. I'm blaming the movie.

SPEAKER_01 39:45

It tracks though, right? Because Andrea is like the new neighbor, right? And she tries to make a move on Terry, who first off, Terry has so many issues in so many different ways, but he's like, What are you doing? Clearly highly uncomfortable with the idea of being touched. Right. It's almost like he just wanted it's almost as if, you know, and do wonder if these kids were like taught to be pure, and then he got upset when he saw his mom not being pure, the woman he loves most in the world.

SPEAKER_03 40:11

That's what I was thinking.

SPEAKER_01 40:12

Right.

SPEAKER_02 40:13

But then also there's like some weird, like the way he kisses his mom is weird. Everything is weird.

SPEAKER_03 40:18

Weird sexual tension with the mom.

SPEAKER_02 40:20

Yeah, weird sexual tension, especially at the end with Todd.

SPEAKER_03 40:23

Oh my god, at the end. I was like, are they gonna kiss? What the fuck is happening?

SPEAKER_02 40:27

Yeah, I know. I fully thought they were gonna kiss. I was like, I'm not ready.

SPEAKER_00 40:30

He was staring into her eyes, and she was like just glaring at his nose the whole time. It was so intense.

SPEAKER_03 40:35

Yeah, they were both just like watching each other's lips quiver, and I was like, why is this at the ending?

SPEAKER_01 40:41

Yeah, it was uncomfortable, that's for sure. The way they were looking at each other and locked in each other's embrace is exactly the kind of interaction you would find explicitly detailed in smuddy fan fiction.

SPEAKER_03 40:53

Yeah, that's gross. But it's Florida, so there's an incest angle. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:57

Looking at the way this movie is built, constructed, the way it's shot. I don't I I'm not a fan of most of the shots. There's only like a couple here and there that you feel like are really good cinematic shots. But I really, you know, not to like just totally dive it back into the gore, the quality of the effects in this movie is something to be admired. They were so good.

SPEAKER_02 41:20

Yes, I agree with you, but also I think the thing that I don't like like a hand gets cut off and it keeps moving. Like I know that's a movie thing.

SPEAKER_03 41:30

Oh, I thought that was fun. That was like stupid fun for me.

SPEAKER_02 41:33

Yeah, it that's that's my own fault. I don't have enough fun with it. But I will say that for sure, I think visually it's the kills in this movie. That's what we have to to grasp onto and enjoy.

SPEAKER_01 41:43

Yeah, little Bill's head just hanging out in front of the front door. It didn't look like him, but it looked good.

SPEAKER_03 41:49

I'm gonna give my favorite visual element to uh the lighting in the final pool scene. Uh, I think that was a really well-filmed scene. The writing and the acting, different story, uh, but it looked very nice.

SPEAKER_01 42:02

Interesting.

SPEAKER_00 42:03

I think if you weren't limited to visuals, the audio in the movie is actually really good. Like the music is stellar. Yeah. I don't know who worked on the score, but they they deserve some applause. But there was something about like the film itself, not like the movie, but whatever film they shot this with, or maybe it's the way they processed it, but it just looked like really clean, like late 70s movies, like really good-looking late 70s movies. I know it's obviously released 10 years after that, but there was something about it that seemed like it could be like the same film type that you would use in a solid western. And I don't I don't know why that is, but maybe it's because this is the days of actually shooting on film versus digital stuff. So I I don't know. I just really enjoyed just like looking at the pixels on my screen.

SPEAKER_02 42:50

Can I edit my favorite visual element and change it to uh Terry's perfectly blown out hair? Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_03 42:57

Terry was giving very Buffalo Bill. Oh yeah. Foreshadowing two weeks from now. Can I throw in a worst visual element? Is that okay?

SPEAKER_01 43:03

Absolutely. Just lay it on. Why not?

SPEAKER_03 43:06

The styling of the mom. Like from the hair to the makeup to the outfits was truly crude.

SPEAKER_01 43:15

I forgot to acknowledge this in my rating. You mentioned earlier that she's horribly disfigured, and I disagree with that. I think she's your average run-in-the-mill, regular person. Is she attractive? No, not by any means, but I don't think she's horribly disfigured. Yeah. You can walk into any neighborhood and find someone who looks like her. I have no idea what you meant by that.

SPEAKER_02 43:35

Okay. But that doesn't, I'm not gonna defend her over it.

SPEAKER_01 43:39

Like you say horribly disfigured, I'm thinking quasimodo. She's no quasimoto.

SPEAKER_03 43:43

I was getting very quasimodo.

SPEAKER_02 43:44

She's no hunchback of Notre Dame.

SPEAKER_03 43:46

In the opening scene, I thought, like when she was making out with that guy that was like out of her league, I thought it was like the situation where it's like the the hot guy takes the ugly girl to like a date as like a prank or something. But it's it's this woman's, let's say, homely. I'll I'll bring it back down. Homely. Let's say her homely appearance with this like weird, like baby doll hairstyle, these like crocheted outfits that they had her in, the world's ugliest slouchy boots, and just like this makeup that made her face a different color from her body. I was just like, what is this character and who made her this way?

SPEAKER_02 44:18

Okay, but it's so 80s. Yeah. Like that's what it is, you know? That's the problem. Your problem is not with the character, your problem is with the people of the times.

SPEAKER_01 44:28

Yeah. It is 80s. I'm a single mom. I clearly have no sense of style or money or resources to correct that, but she dresses her son better than her, which I think is an interesting glimpse into the psychology of these characters, right? Like she for sure takes better care of her son than she takes for herself.

SPEAKER_03 44:46

I think the outfit she wears to the the therapist's office isn't a clear indicator of mental illness in the family. That's all I'll leave it at that.

SPEAKER_02 44:53

I literally don't even remember what she wore. She could have been wearing a trash bag.

SPEAKER_03 44:56

Go back to the outfit. It is jarring.

SPEAKER_01 44:59

Look, I don't know how you can trash these outfits so much when really the pigtails that she has on later is the actual problem in this movie.

SPEAKER_03 45:09

Yes, that too. These like infantile hairstyles. It's like it's very like stunted. Like this woman's like trapped as like a 12-year-old or something. And I think that like influences all of the crazy shit that goes on in the family. But I was just like, the choices from head to toe on her, chilling.

SPEAKER_02 45:26

She's a psychopath who's in love with her son.

SPEAKER_00 45:30

Who dresses the part. So wait, Luis Lapser though, like that is a signature hairstyle of hers, was like pigtails, and that was when, even when she was younger, that was like a thing. Wasn't like always a thing. She had other hairstyles, but that's a a look that she rocked in the past.

SPEAKER_01 45:46

Matt coming in with the facts.

SPEAKER_03 45:48

To be 60 in pigtails is disturbing.

SPEAKER_02 45:52

It's not that you're wrong. It's just that they were trying to prove a point.

SPEAKER_01 45:55

Yeah. As gross as you may have found her, I I was not a fan of Todd's messy hair. It's like early Josh Hartinett with longer blonde hair.

SPEAKER_00 46:05

I was just thinking of that. That's the epitome of messy hair. It's very deliberate, and you can tell that it's deliberate. It's not like, oh, this is messy because you know I didn't comb it today and now it got in some wind. It's like messy because I'm trying to look messy right now.

SPEAKER_02 46:18

Okay, but I would thought I would have thought he was Terry the entire time if he didn't have that hair because Terry had the perfect blowout and Todd had the disgusting, intentional, messy hair. And and I would have completely messed them up if they didn't have that.

SPEAKER_01 46:30

My hair is messy, just like my feelings and my understanding of the world.

SPEAKER_00 46:34

But can I mention like how good of a job they did for having the same actor play both people? Because it was effective. And there's moments where Todd actually looks like weaker and skinnier than Terry, even though it's literally the same person. And in 2020, sure, you can have an actor like you would film part of the movie, and then you would have them like gain or lose weight and completely cut their hair and then refilm it so they could play the other twin. But it's not 2020 in this film. So they actually did a really good job of distinguishing between the two, using just one actor to play both.

SPEAKER_03 47:03

Yeah, you brought very different body language to both roles.

SPEAKER_02 47:06

My favorite scene is gonna be one for the lols, to be honest with you. And it has to be when our mom is out here calling people, trying to find her boyfriend, which is also her fiance, I guess.

SPEAKER_04 47:20

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 47:21

And what she calls the Chinese restaurant. First off, I'm gonna be real with you guys. I have no concept of how phones worked when there was an operator that you spoke to, okay? But I feel like the police would have been a very easy option. Instead, she somehow gets connected to the to someone asking what number she wants to order. And she's just going on and on about her son.

SPEAKER_01 47:42

What I think is hilarious about that is that she was trying to call her boyfriend who runs the apartment complex. So she A doesn't know his phone number, B musters up enough energy to call the operator, but not to just give her the operator the place of employment. And then C, the operator must have just said, fuck it, I'm not dealing with you. I'm passing you to literally any phone number.

SPEAKER_03 48:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 48:04

And then to come full circle, when she eventually does go to the to the the office, I guess, where he's at, it's clearly like two feet from her house. Like, like she just had to just uh skip over there, you know? And all the time she spent four hours on the couch, drunk, calling people, asking them questions about her kids. Yeah, it was my favorite scene because of how truly horrible it was.

SPEAKER_01 48:28

Have you ever drank enough where you didn't want to walk four feet to someone's house?

SPEAKER_02 48:32

Maybe, but let me tell you, this movie made me think, and I know I already said this, but maybe we shouldn't drink. Maybe drinking's not good. Maybe it's poison. Because this is horrible.

SPEAKER_00 48:43

I mean, I know she's a psychopath regardless, but like let's see you down two bottles of wine, then try to go to the leasing office. Like it's you're not gonna be able to do it.

SPEAKER_02 48:52

Oh, I'm gonna go to the leasing's office. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 48:54

I'll pick an easy one for my favorite scene. It's the opening scene. And that's and that's easy because it's clear clearly one of the best scenes in the film because it's so interesting. And like, one, you get to see Ted Raimi, which is always an interesting time, at least 60% of the time. But it's cool because we get the younger version of the twins, and I think they did a great job in in this in this scene where we where we actually see like the first kill. Maybe it's the first kill, we don't know. Maybe Terry's been killing cats the whole time. We have no idea, but we like it's such a surprise. So I think we're all expecting something to happen to them, maybe, but you're watching, and you know, the mom's trying to get a new guy in her life, and that's great for them. Maybe don't make out in the front seat of the car. Maybe that's not the best thing to do with the kids in the back. Maybe involve them, get let them get to know your new friend, whatever. You know, respect though.

SPEAKER_02 49:46

I think you missed the point of the drive-in, Mac.

SPEAKER_01 49:48

Because that was not it.

SPEAKER_03 49:50

Maybe the drive-in orgy.

SPEAKER_01 49:52

Yeah, the point of the drive-in is to hook up with literally anyone. But if you have kids, make sure they fell asleep in the back under a blanket, but put a gun on top of them to weigh them down.

SPEAKER_00 50:01

Oh, I mean, it is Jacksonville, so I we do have to like weigh everything with that.

SPEAKER_01 50:04

You got a good point.

SPEAKER_00 50:05

Just just saying. But I don't know. The the scene was the scene was really interesting. The child actors, I think, did a great job, especially the one that showed us like going catatonic in the moment of of the trauma. But compared to the rest of the movie, I mean, I know it was a bit general hospital, and that's and that's fine. Um, but it was at least interesting to watch that first part of the movie. Like you watch this and you're thinking, like, oh man, we're gonna see some crazy stuff. I mean, they could have taken this premise and run with it for seven movies had they had they done it right.

SPEAKER_02 50:33

And it ended with a butt.

SPEAKER_00 50:35

That's the best way to end the scene is with an actually really good butt, too. A nice butt. Quality butt.

SPEAKER_01 50:41

I was not impressed by this butt, but okay.

SPEAKER_02 50:43

I don't think you paid attention then.

SPEAKER_01 50:45

I paid attention. I think I'm just not a butt person, you know.

SPEAKER_03 50:48

Was it the fear in the butt? She was running from in terror.

SPEAKER_02 50:51

Personally offended by that.

SPEAKER_03 50:54

Ryan has a lot invested in us.

SPEAKER_02 50:56

Minus 10.

SPEAKER_03 50:57

I gotta give my favorite scene to the uh Thanksgiving dinner, which I until we started recording this podcast, did not realize was a Thanksgiving dinner and just thought it was a regular dinner. Um, but it gives us two moments that I thought were really nice. Uh, one of them is Terry doing a toast with a glass of milk, which as we all know is the true mark of a psychopath. And then we also have the the revelation where the mom gets the call that uh Todd has escaped. And she says to Terry, she's like, Okay, we're gonna keep having dinner, and whatever you do, don't mention what we just found out. And he sits down and immediately says, So you all might get to meet my psychopathic brother. He's escaped from a hospital.

SPEAKER_01 51:34

Yeah, it was great.

SPEAKER_03 51:35

And that got me really good. I laughed out loud.

SPEAKER_01 51:38

That was fun.

SPEAKER_03 51:39

So classy of him.

SPEAKER_01 51:41

Yeah, that was a moment of great laughs, and I'm glad you pointed out that making a toast with a glass of milk is truly the mark of psychopaths. I don't even fucking like milk, but I've never seen someone toast milk.

SPEAKER_03 51:52

No.

SPEAKER_01 51:52

That just seems bizarre. I don't know that I have a specifically favorite scene, but I for sure have a favorite moment in this movie, and that is at the end when Karen is holding the baby, she sees all this shit popping off with I'm Todd, I'm Todd, I'm Todd, I'm Todd, and she just like nopes her fucking way out. Yes, I'm gonna do it. The look on her face was amazing. And for all the shitty acting she had up until that point, that just redeemed her in my eyes. That was the best part of this movie.

SPEAKER_02 52:24

She was just like, nah, nah, I'm out of here. I am not staying for this.

SPEAKER_00 52:30

Okay, can we talk about that moment for for a moment? The very end of the movie.

SPEAKER_02 52:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 52:36

So I don't want to dive too deep into like what happened and what it all means. But so Terry's dead, Mother Maddie kills him, thinking that he's Todd, even though she's been told that Todd might not have been the killer the whole time. And she found Terry's shirt in the trash covered in blood that she saw him wearing earlier in the day, but she probably doesn't remember because hepatitis or something. So she's blacked out.

SPEAKER_01 53:01

He also did get kissed by Todd and probably would have presumed that only Terry could kiss her that way.

SPEAKER_00 53:07

Oh god. I hate that sentence. It's a special way. Lord. So the thing that I don't know if it perplexed me, but I found interesting is like I think when Maddie realizes who's who, like, cut to black, end the movie with her sadness of realizing that she killed the wrong son in her mind, but and we we know in reality that was the right one. Why did we have to continue to her killing herself? And then what's gonna happen to Todd? Because the only witness that's alive just like peaced out.

SPEAKER_02 53:39

That's the whole point. That's the beauty of it. You end the movie the same way the struggle begins, right? He starts at the movies and all this stuff happens, and he's just standing there covered in blood, holding a weapon that he has nothing to do with, and cops come. And then you end the movie, he's standing there. This time he's fortunately not covered in blood, but a bunch of people are dead, and he's just standing there, no one to help him out. You know, that's the that's the thing. I mean, I think it's on par with this movie completely.

SPEAKER_00 54:06

So if he's smart, do you think he's gonna pull out Don Draper and like steal his brother's ID and then like pretend that he was like the good one? Or do you think he's gonna just like he has the presence of mind?

SPEAKER_01 54:15

Yeah, I think his development was stunted as a 12-year-old.

SPEAKER_02 54:18

Yeah, I mean, he's certainly gonna unfortunately fall into the system. I think that's the kind of unspoken ending. But you know, I I don't know. It's for me, I think it's like perfect for this movie.

SPEAKER_01 54:29

I I agree with that. And here's the thing, I want to have hope in my mind that Karen would be not that far away because she does have a baby that belongs to a dead person. And I would hope that she would speak up about this. But then I remember that she had the nerve to tell Terry's friends that Todd tried to kiss her when in fact he made no move to kiss her. He was just like, Yeah, I've never kissed a girl before. After she clearly said, I want you to make love to me. He didn't move towards her, he didn't lean into her, he didn't like pucker up his lips.

SPEAKER_02 54:59

To be fair, she had been lied to about what this man was and was scared. And we've all done crazy things when we're scared, you know. But yeah, I don't know. Her character is questionable. I don't know what she's gonna do with the baby that she found.

SPEAKER_01 55:12

She really tried to sell it though, that like he for sure moved in on her. It's like, madam, you are sorely mistaken. That is not what happened.

SPEAKER_00 55:19

That kid, as it turns out, grew up to be Dexter. Just kidding.

SPEAKER_02 55:23

Actually, not a bad plot point.

SPEAKER_03 55:25

That would be amazing. Circling back to the end there. Can somebody help me to understand why is it that both the mom and Todd were just screaming, I'm Todd, over and over again?

SPEAKER_01 55:34

You know, they got some stuff going on.

SPEAKER_03 55:37

Yeah, his name was was Robert Paulson. So okay, so it was just like a weird, it was a weird moment for us all then.

SPEAKER_02 55:42

I understand why he's screaming it. Yeah, he's Todd. Because that's his name. I have no idea why the mom is screaming, I'm Todd.

SPEAKER_01 55:50

Weird theory that might be giving them too much credit. Maybe she's screaming, I'm Todd, as in I am a killer. I am a murderer, I've lost my fucking mind.

SPEAKER_00 56:01

I really think you have, Chris.

SPEAKER_01 56:03

That might be only what makes sense, I say.

SPEAKER_00 56:05

It in the moment when we were watching that, we were like, what is she saying? She's saying I'm done. What is exactly is she saying? And then when it you realize that she's just copying him, it's like maybe she's just like trying crying, you know, she's trying to process exactly what's happened and who she killed and who's left behind. And it's almost like she's like laughing in her hysteria, being like, Oh yeah, I'm Todd, I'm Todd, I'm Todd. I killed Terry, and Todd's left behind. Fully spiraling.

SPEAKER_01 56:29

She got catfished by her son, so here we are.

SPEAKER_02 56:32

Yeah, I actually did think she was saying like some other nonsense that just kind of sounded like I'm Todd, like slime lawn, but I could not figure it out. I tried so hard the whole time.

SPEAKER_03 56:42

That really would have made more sense.

SPEAKER_01 56:43

Can I share with you what I think was the worst part of this movie? Oh, please.

SPEAKER_03 56:48

Which one?

SPEAKER_02 56:48

Since you slashed this.

SPEAKER_01 56:50

Man, and let me tell you, again, I gave this a slash, but it's a soft slash. It's like a I had fun slash. The worst part of this is the moment that truly makes no damn sense in any style of filmmaking, in in any uh vibe that this movie was going for. It's the one and only scene that's narrated by someone else, the doctor, when they go and you know, you hear the doctor's voice and you see the doctor talking, and then you realize, oh shit, is my audio fucked up? No, she's just speaking over the whole damn scene while you have the audio from the scene also playing beneath it. Dude. It is it makes no sense, and it was truly the worst element of this movie. And if not for the amazing effects on that gore, it would have been a hack.

SPEAKER_00 57:37

My theory is that she was not a good actor, and they didn't want her to try to like act that out, and so they just had her do a voiceover.

SPEAKER_02 57:45

Huh. Man, I mean, I don't know. I'm so glad you brought this up, Chris, because when that when that scene started, I was like, is this the worst dubbing we've ever seen? Ever? Like, are they not even trying? Do they just pick footage and go, nah, just talk over it? And then I realized that that's literally what they did. It was like weird documentary style, but not a documentary. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 58:08

Yeah, we don't need to hear characters' introspections unless you're doing it more than once.

SPEAKER_02 58:13

Also, we've never met this character ever.

SPEAKER_01 58:15

We don't know her.

SPEAKER_00 58:16

It was confusing.

SPEAKER_01 58:18

And here's the thing, right? You know, it's not a bad theory that you have, Mac. However, if that was the decision making behind that scene, they should have had that happen every time she comes up. Uh, including the last bits of uh when she's about to be killed, and we just stop hearing her voice. Or just give me a scene where she stops playing her recorder that fucking somehow doctors just like to record themselves speaking their notes into to transcribe later.

SPEAKER_02 58:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 58:45

And then we get pie thrown at the wall.

SPEAKER_02 58:47

And like, come on, don't worry about it. What was that?

SPEAKER_00 58:48

Was that peanut butter? Because it just looked like he threw some peanut butter on the wall.

SPEAKER_02 58:52

Oh, well, well, it was supposed to be pumpkin pie.

SPEAKER_00 58:54

Oh, it definitely reminded me of when people who are going through a lot in their minds throw feces at the wall.

SPEAKER_02 59:00

Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 59:01

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 59:02

It's and then and then she's on the phone later, like, well, I took my son a piece of pie, like I always do with the white paper, and like, doesn't seem like you always do this. Easily the worst mom that's ever been.

SPEAKER_00 59:14

And the worst part of this movie. Yes. Well, she was the worst part of the movie. I think the best part was Terry and Todd. Yeah. The dynamic, the actor playing both of them, how different they were, Terry having fun as the killer later in the movie, Todd just being Todd throughout the film and and holding true, I think was really good. You know, we didn't get Todd going through like insane moments where he was gonna be the killer for just a second or anything like that. It was like Todd is Todd the whole way through, and Terry changed who he was, which made sense for his personality. But I think the two of them, obviously the one actor though, uh best best part of the film.

SPEAKER_03 59:54

That's interesting, Mac. I had a lot of trouble with these characters, but and I think this may be I may be alone in this, but I thought Karen was the best part of this movie.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:04

I liked Karen.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:05

Her performance felt like the only one that was grounded in reality when everyone else was just like losing their shit with their their performance.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:11

She was cute too.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:12

Yeah, she was cute, she was like matter-of-fact, pretty practical, and she was just kind of like pretty chill throughout. And then at one point, when she has that baby, she like hides the baby in a lower cabinet, and the baby's leg is like still sticking out, and then she just leaves it there. And I felt related, I felt I related to that on a deep level.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:29

Also, when she took the gun from Todd, she was like, What are you doing? It just came from him, and I'm like, Yes, thank you.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:36

This is an instance where I wish we could roll back the tape. Karen as a character had lines that were written that were grounded in reality, like also her being slightly annoyed by Terry instead of just being truly fearful of him was funny. But the quality of her performance was so underwhelming. It was just like that whole awkward, like, you know, we just haven't been around much, and I really want you to make love to. It was like you picked up a random person off the street to attempt to deliver those lines. That's what's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:08

That's so funny. I didn't get that at all. I enjoyed her character. She's the only character that I enjoyed in this movie. Uh uh, Terry and Todd sometimes.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:16

Yeah, it felt like she wasn't acting, she was just being really natural. Yeah, supernatch, casual, just casually chilling her way through this movie.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:25

The characters were were so horny in this film, though. It just reminded me of like I was just thinking, like, this is I mean, I don't know what this life is like for these kids today, but it's like 21-year-olds on Tinder, is effectively how I'm imagining this film was. I mean, nothing against it. Live your life or whatever. I'm not saying it's what I want to do. It's definitely not, but constantly horny. And Karen kind of reminded me of, I mean, the literally the way that she phrased it, she's like the one person who just says, like, I would like to make love, rather than the other 99% of human beings on the planet who would use perhaps a slightly sexier term or phrase, perhaps, to uh want to hook up or whatever you want to call it. But she's like, I want to make love.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:06

Okay, but also then is it uh Artie that she's like, Hey, can you talk to Terry for me? And then Artie's like, Yeah, I'll talk to Terry for you and also try to make out with you. Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:17

Right.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:18

What is this movie?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:19

I thought he was gonna recognize his friend zone, and then he was like, You don't know the dark side. And I was like, Oh, okay, so he's just trying to That's disgusting.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:27

That's the thing, they're all shitty, no matter what. That was his dark side, except for maybe Todd, who is a victim of his circumstances. Actually, also minus a little girl who really just knows how to pay attention to instructions. Good on her.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:40

Okay, she was actually the best part of this movie. She was like, Um, this is not a good idea, you're gonna hurt my cat.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:46

VIP, honestly, just like absolutely the goat of this movie of like, oh, I should go home and lock the door because there's someone insane out. I will do that. And if somebody comes to my door, I literally won't let them in, and I'm gonna defend the one thing that matters in life are animals.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:59

And obviously, she didn't have parents at home with her, so she fit in perfectly.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:03

They were out at a drive-in.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:04

One thing that I will say about this movie is that I feel like as wildly different as the characters are, as wildly varying their levels of performance are, they all feel like they go together in the sense that they don't. It's like when you open up a drawer full of socks and you know that they're all gonna be mismatched socks, but it's like fuck it, they're all black and it's almost the same height. You know what I mean? Like it's it's okay, like you can get by with wearing them. That's my sock drawer.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:31

Wait, my socks are perfectly matched and rolled together.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:33

Mine are not matched. I just buy the same type of sock all the time and they all work. And Mac, that is exactly why you are the killer of this group.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:42

But these little moments, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:03:44

Like uh, I feel like Jackie, who was the doctor's assistant, was a weird guy swinging around a tranquilizer trying to get high with Terry. Did you notice how bizarre it was when he died that he just like really caressed Terry and just like held on to him?

SPEAKER_03 1:03:59

Oh yeah, and like caressed his chest too.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:02

There was a moan that happened.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:05

It was a very gay death.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:06

I think part of the reason why these characters don't come off as particularly strong in any way is because of the pretty awful dialogue that's written for the most part. For example, I'm sorry. Look, I know we've we've piled on Maddie, the mom, drunk mom, TM tonight. But when she is talking to Todd, thinking he's Terry, and talking professing her love, you're the bestest, you're the bestest, best she's talking to him as if he's a dog. Yes, and it was just the longest, most unnecessary ramble.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:39

It was also a dog andor things you say during sex.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:43

Oh no, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:45

Okay, those two things shouldn't go together.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:48

And yet she managed.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:49

You think they shouldn't, but sometimes they do.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:53

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:53

You're the best, you're so great.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:56

Who's a good boy?

SPEAKER_02 1:04:58

Just speaking hypothetically here.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:00

Was it the intimacy of the moment where she's like, Oh, I don't need we don't need anything else. We just need me and you. Yeah, that's all we need.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:06

These are things I'm not saying from experience, I'm just saying in general. That's what it felt like. It felt like things that you only say when one other person can hear you.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:15

Or a dog.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:16

Or to your dog that you love dearly.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:18

Such a good boy. You're the bestist. You're the bestist.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:21

Literally the bestist.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:22

And then that's one of the things that frustrates me about this movie, and I would be curious to see if it ever does get remade at some point. Not that I want a serious remake of it, but there are some highs and lows. It's not cranberry sauce. That's a high. Um, you're the bestest of the bestest. That's a low. But then there's that funny little ironic moment where Terry and Andrea are watching TV and there's an axe murder like someone's being murdered with a hatchet. He's like, This is horrible. Why would they show this on TV? And it's like, this is ironic and also ridiculous.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:52

So you want a new scary movie made about this? Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:56

I think that's what I want. I've never seen scary movies, so I can't really Confirm. Makes makes fun of things. That's all that you need to know. I may have soft slashed this. And I think it is something that could be watched again. I don't I don't ever want to watch it alone again. I feel like if I wasn't in as weird of a place as I've been in the past like week leading up to this, I probably wouldn't have laughed as much at this watching it alone. But I do think this is one like if you're drinking with a friend, it's a good time to just poke fun at.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:25

I hope I never hear of this movie again. I mean, I guess for the next week it's gonna be on all our socials, but after that, I hope we all pretend it doesn't exist. I'm gonna give it a fifth name and uh forget that it exists. And I just say that 14 times. I just don't want to see it again. That's all.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:44

Uh for me, I feel like, you know, I thought this movie was ass for the most part. Um, but if you cut out all the mom scenes, uh you may you may get to me to watch it again. You may be able to trick me into doing that. Uh, I will say that if I take away anything from this movie, it's that maybe I'll do a Terry Halloween costume one year because that seems pretty easy to pull off and it's like a nice little throwback. Also, I have the same hairline already going for me, so I think I could pull it off.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:11

This is excellent. I just want to note that uh watch without the mom scenes is not an option on Amazon Prime. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:18

Somebody's done it on YouTube, it's gotta exist somewhere.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:20

You can't make that choice. You have to watch all of it. It's all or nothing.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:24

All right, then I'm probably not doing it.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:25

There you go.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:26

Ditto for me. I'm I'm not gonna watch it again. I would be interested in a remake as like maybe like a Netflix show where it goes maybe two or three seasons, just and that's it, and they end it. You know, kind of like when you get to the the end of season two of you and you're like, please don't make any more. Like we've we've seen enough.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:47

I haven't had that experience.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:49

Oh, maybe it's just me then.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:50

Similar to how we took the mommy issues that existed with Norman and Norma Bates, and then we got Bates Motel. Would you like a campy Bates Motel? Except it's Terry's apartment.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:01

I would like one of those. You know, you know when they have these like period films and TV shows now that everything seems like too saturated. Like it seems like it's so deliberately 60s or 70s or 80s. I want that, but for two seasons.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:14

Terry's condos and apartments.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:16

Oh man. I do want to say I was actually uh on our Twitter recently, and one of our uh followers tweeted or retweeted something that said Right now everybody's remaking really good movies, but what we need to do is remake the bad movies that had good ideas and like do them better this time. And I feel like this is a great candidate for that.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:33

I agree. We'll see. Maybe one day, and maybe if there are any aspiring screenwriters that listen to this podcast, maybe this would be a good project for you. But until then, we only have this to work with, and I do think there was a little bit more to learn. So, Mac, what do you have for R Factor Fiction?

SPEAKER_00 1:08:49

Number one, let's jump right in. I don't know about you, but I sure saw a lot of Nike swooshes in the film. Classic kicks for sure, but we could have peeped some classic new balances if only they didn't lose the sponsorship bid.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:01

I'm just gonna say fiction because I truly did not notice a single one. But also, like, you're implying that this movie was sponsored, and I just don't believe it.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:08

What were the previous names of this movie? Complex, slasher, nightmare at Shadow Woods. There's truly no way that this was sponsored by Nike. That is uh 90s or later phenomena in my experience.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:22

You think that, but then you also gotta know that there was a Yoda head in the background of the movie, which requires sufficient licensing rights.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:30

So I saw literally none of these things.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:34

I'll go fact.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:35

It's actually fiction. I made it up. But what is true is most of the kids in the movie did rock Nike apparel. If you go back and maybe you know scrub through some scenes, you're gonna see so many Nike shoes, so many Nike shirts, it's actually kind of ridiculous. But was it sponsored? That I I can't know. That's not public knowledge, but there was Nike all over the place.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:54

Thanks. I hate it.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:55

Gotta love it. Number two. My roommate commented while watching that this film appears to be a good bit older than the other 1987 films, like The Lost Boys, The Princess Bride, and Good Morning Vietnam. That's because it is somewhat. It was actually filmed four years earlier than the release date in 1983.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:11

Hmm. Fact.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:12

It's tough because one, I would think no, it was just shitty and low budget. But if it had so many titles, maybe it took a long time to actually put out. So I'm gonna say fact as well.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:23

This is a fact. It was actually filmed in '83, but it didn't release until four years later, which is kind of wild. And one of those titles was actually used when it was released for TV, at which point they cut out most of the super gore, which is kind of cool. So then the movie's worse. That depends if you're if you're able to rent it on VHS at the time, um, or if you only had a TV. If you had a TV, it was the only way to watch it, so I guess it's kind of better. Number three, Marianne Cantor, a producer on this film, gives a performance as Dr. Briman, but only because they had to fire the original actress because she showed up late and hung over to the first day of filming.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:02

I go fiction.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:03

I'm also gonna go fiction. I believe everybody on this set was late and hung over.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:07

Uh yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:08

So this is a fiction. However, the original actress never showed up. Thus, we got Marianne's face on screen. And that actress was Meryl Streep. Some say she never showed up till this day. And number four, you probably haven't seen much recently from the actors in this film. But did you know that one of them has nearly 90 credited roles?

SPEAKER_02 1:11:29

Is it the special effects person?

SPEAKER_00 1:11:31

No, I'm talking about an actor.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:32

Who was also a special effects person. Ah, I got your trick.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:34

It's a fact. I'm gonna say fact, and maybe it's the mom, because she felt like she was an actress.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:41

Okay, so this is a fact. But no, it's not Luis Lasser as Maddie, although she has over 60 credited roles. It's Brad Leland, credited originally as Brad Williams, who played the teen boy at Drive In. Still going strong with roles into 2020.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:56

Oh man, I was close.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:58

He had a nice plain face.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:59

I want to know what he's doing now.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:00

Apparently, several projects, which is really cool. I mean, can you imagine there's other people in this film who have like, you know, the starring roles, and he's like, I was out in the first scene, and yet I'm doing better than all of you. Wow.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:14

Yeah, I mean, it's uh it's a known fact. The further you get in this movie, the more dirt doomed your career is.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:20

And that's all I have for fact or fiction.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:22

Yeah. Bonus fact, uh, he did have a disgustingly hairy chest, but that's just my opinion.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:28

I guess that depends on what you like.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:30

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SPEAKER_01 1:13:39

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unknown 1:13:40

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