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Barely wet to start, barely wet to finish.

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Greetings and salutations, friends. Welcome to 2021 and welcome to Hacker Slash. Now, if you're joining us again, welcome back. The weather outside is frightful, but we've got Annie Freeze that's sure delightful. If you've no place to go and it's your first time listening, welcome to the party. We are a horror movie review podcast dedicated to telling you whether a movie is a hack, a total joke, a waste of time, or a slash.

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Totally killer, pun intended.

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We believe horror is for everyone, and as such, we're rating these movies with the perspectives we've each gained from our varying walks of life and the flavors of fear we fancy most. My name is Chris, I'm your friendly neighborhood slasher enthusiast. This week I'm joined by the Superfly Space Guy Mac.

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What's up, you beautiful ice sculptures?

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The gore lover Alexis. Hey everyone. The cowardly creeper Ryan. Hiya. And the Scream Queen Paris.

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The Lord forsook this house long ago.

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We've got Brutal Kills and Puns Galore in this week's direct-to-video, low budget comedy. But before we start that pun counter, we have quite a bit of follow-up.

SPEAKER_01 1:09

We have a lot of follow-up, and it's because we reviewed a movie called Silence of the Lambs, as we all recall. Our listeners were very into this episode. I think partially because the movie is such a hit, but they really enjoyed a lot of the things that we had to say as well. Let's get this out of the way. We did a poll. It was a 100% slash. I don't think there's anybody that really hates this movie. Greg was the closest one to giving it a hack for a few different reasons, specifically Dr. Lecter mispronouncing Chianti. Chianti? I don't even know how it's pronounced, but he still gave it a soft slash. We also have our friend Matt, who actually read the book after listening to the podcast and said he couldn't put it down. So if you are in the market for a new book to read, uh check out the Silence of the Lamb series. We also have one of our friends on Twitter, Drea, who originally was super excited that we were going to review this movie. She ended up doing a full, like, live tweet of listening to the episode. Um, we retweeted it. Uh, it's definitely worth checking out. She started off with, I'm only 20 minutes into the new hacker slash episode, and it's everything I ever wanted. I already love hearing everyone's perspectives, so to have you guys talking about what is easily one of my top movies is Heart Eyes Emoji. This will probably be a thread as I listen more. And then she tweeted probably a dozen or more times, continuing throughout the episode. So check it out. We retweeted it. It was a lot of fun to see all of that interaction, Drea. So we really appreciate that.

SPEAKER_04 2:31

Thank you, Drea. Love you dearly.

SPEAKER_01 2:33

And really, the highlight of this week's follow-up comes from not only one, but two calls to the hackerslash hotline. Roll the tape.

SPEAKER_02 2:41

Hello, Hackers class. This is Rose calling from Ohio. First of all, I want to just say how great your program, your podcast is. I love hearing about your different views and movies. And I definitely like hearing your previous movie. You're playing a great part with it. But then all I have to say is keep up the good work and oh, I love that.

SPEAKER_05 3:50

It's because you got the shout out. Yeah, um, someone likes me on this podcast. Someone likes hearing my voice.

SPEAKER_03 3:58

I'm sure there are many. Those are those are some great points, though. Uh Silence of the Lambs, I feel like is just such a great movie that no one has anything bad to say about it, you know?

SPEAKER_01 4:06

Yeah, and I love what she said about the movie being really focused on Clarice being a woman in a male's world. Uh, that was uh sort of a theme throughout a lot of the feedback we got. Uh Drea also mentioned that that was something they specifically did when they were filming. Uh, anytime it showed like one of the male characters, they were looking directly into camera, putting you into Clarice's perspective. And I think that really just resonated with everybody that watched it. And now we have another call from one of our friends on Twitter.

SPEAKER_00 4:34

Hi everyone, my name's Freya, and firstly, I want to extend a huge thank you to all of you at the Hack or Sash team. You guys are keeping me sane and making me laugh during a global pandemic. And for that, I'm so grateful to all of you. One theory I've had about the science of the lambs for a while now, and one I've seen floating around online, is that Clarice is actually a closeted lesbian, which makes the male attention she receives doubly uncomfortable and doubly unwanted for her. There are several examples of queer coding throughout the film. I don't know if that's the same in the book, Paris. Do let us know if there's any queer coding or inference that Clarice could be gay in the book. But her relationship with Ardelia is one that I think could be more than friendship, just by the way it's shown on camera. Their conversation about what people covet is what leads Clarice to discover that Buffalo Bill knew Frederica beforehand. And their faces are really close to the camera. It feels really intimate, I think, as it does the whole film. But the discussion that they're having about you coveting something you see every day feels like it could be a slight inference at a relationship between the two of them, which obviously also would want to be kept private from their colleagues because they're both already very heavily sexualized women. And if they were an L couple, they would be even more heavily sexualized. It's just something I've had, you know, thoughts about for a number of years. I'd love to know what you guys think. Um, thank you guys again so much, and hopefully I'll speak to you soon. Stay safe. Bye.

SPEAKER_04 6:04

First of all, love Freya. Secondly, uh, had not picked up on these undertones, right? Uh, but now I'm really excited to give it another watch, a third watch, and and try to, you know, pick up on the subtext there because that's a theory I'm a fan of.

SPEAKER_05 6:20

I was gonna say I had definitely had those vibes. I I didn't notice all the things she had mentioned, but um yeah, I I don't know. I always had those vibes, but I don't know. Maybe that's just me.

SPEAKER_01 6:29

It could also be the Jodie Foster of it all.

SPEAKER_05 6:32

Yeah, that is true. Undeniable. She's a good one. The Jodie Foster effect.

SPEAKER_04 6:36

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 6:37

Truly though, I think Freya One has a voice designed for podcasts that was so soothing to my ears. Um, but I think she's really onto something. When I was reading the book, uh, the closest person to Clarice is Ardelia. And the whole time I'm kind of like, okay, these two like best friends. Like Ardelia is really Clarice's rock throughout the whole story. Uh, so I think that there could be some credibility to this theory. I'm certainly a fan. In the end of Silence of the Lambs, Clarice ends up dating the uh lazy-eyed entomologist, which kind of feels like uh maybe a beard, perhaps, because it felt so random and unwarranted. Uh, and I've actually started reading Hannibal now, and turns out Clarice and Ardelia now live in a duplex and are basically roommates.

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So we all know what roommates mean in the 90s.

SPEAKER_01 7:25

So I think there's definitely some some weight to this theory, Freya.

SPEAKER_04 7:29

Oh, excellent. I I need to see a spreadsheet of all the lesbian points uh that uh that Clarice is racking up here.

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So if you guys enjoyed those messages, you can also give us a call at our hackerslash hotline. The number is 757-606-0128, or hackerslash.com slash contact if you're international.

SPEAKER_01 7:46

And that's our follow-up.

SPEAKER_04 7:47

Excellent. Well, back in 1998, let's all just tap into our childhoods here for a moment. We had our hearts warmed by Michael Keaton, not as Batman, but rather when he starred as a dead dad reincarnated into a snowman to see his family one last time. Truly the magic of Christmas. But tragically, some folks looking for that feel-good Christmas magic may have accidentally stumbled upon a 1997 snowman movie by the exact same name. Except this time it's not a dead dad transformed into old man winter. It's a maniacal serial killer seeking vengeance on the sheriff who locked him up. Now, this week we're talking about the other Jack Frost.

SPEAKER_03 8:27

Who has seen this one before? Ooh, truly never, never heard of it. Didn't know another Jack Frost existed, honestly.

SPEAKER_05 8:34

I feel like I've never seen this, but then I feel like I was one of those people that watch, you know, Michael Keaton and then but accidentally watch this one. I don't know, it seems so familiar, but maybe because I was getting the two confused.

SPEAKER_01 8:47

Make no mistake, the Michael Keaton film is terrifying in premise and in execution. But I actually do remember seeing this movie on the shelf of my local blockbuster for like two to three years. I saw the cover art online and I was like, oh, I've seen this so many times. And even when I was like six years old, I was like, that movie looks bad.

SPEAKER_04 9:05

But does it look better than Michael Keaton's eyebrows on a snowman?

SPEAKER_07 9:10

That remains to be seen. I I think that's kind of terrifying. I have not seen this movie, had not heard of it honestly. I didn't know it existed until it popped up in the list. And uh then I went and watched the trailer for it before watching it, of course. So like back to back. But I'm I'm curious, Chris. I know this obviously came up in the list. Is this one of your winter favorites?

SPEAKER_04 9:31

Oh, absolutely not. Yeah, that's not to that's not to say anything about how I feel about this movie particularly, but my winter favorite includes Black Christmas and Black Christmas only. Like, that's it. I'm not a big winter horror fan. Like, Krampus is good, Gremlin's great, but I'm not someone who will like rattle off a list of 30 excellent winter horror films. This is one that I saw several times growing up. Don't know why. Re-watching it again as an adult, don't know why I was allowed to see this. It certainly does surprise me that I did not think about this movie when we watched Thanksgiving because this is low budget, and I think this is the kind of movie Thanksgiving wishes it was. That's what it was trying to be. But for those of you who haven't seen it, what were you expecting?

SPEAKER_03 10:16

Well, I made the mistake of reading the description, and so I was expecting pretty much exactly what we got for the first like 10-15 minutes, and uh after that I was pretty much expecting a terrible holiday horror movie, as we usually get. You know, things happened, things occurred. There was there was a holiday horror movie, that's for sure.

SPEAKER_04 10:36

Was a situation that was moving in a direction, and someone filmed it. That's that's a thing.

SPEAKER_05 10:41

Someone had an idea of this, yeah, and I did watch it.

SPEAKER_03 10:45

That's those are the things that occurred.

SPEAKER_05 10:46

Well, you had no choice. That's true. I have no idea what I was expecting. I think it was just a very simple hey, uh punny movie uh about a snowman killing people, and it was pretty right on the nose, you know.

SPEAKER_07 11:00

I had to make sure that I was going to watch the right one. So, you know, I did watch the trailer, of course, before hitting play in the movie. I got a good idea of what to expect, you know, cheesy effects, cheesy humor, and ridiculous kills.

SPEAKER_01 11:13

For sure. I definitely expected all of that. Uh, expected it to be low budget. Um, and really just a movie that didn't take itself too seriously. So I went into it pretty, like, pretty open, pretty chill, and ready to have some laughs, but not really ready to be scared in any way.

SPEAKER_04 11:28

Oh, for sure. And I think that's something that I found myself feeling this time around because it's been so long since I last saw this movie. I was moderately entertained. I I wouldn't say I was like sitting on the edge of my seat or anything, and I certainly was not uh, you know, really feeling the vibes that this Jack Frost gave me, but I found myself pleasantly entertained by the little quips of dialogue that I never picked up on when I was younger because it's really only there if you read the closed captioning. But how are you guys feeling?

SPEAKER_07 11:59

You know, I I found myself laughing, honestly, more at the movie than I laughed with it. I kind of had to continually remind myself like, don't ask why, don't ask how, just accept things. They don't have to make sense. Um, and that's kind of continually how I had to go through the film.

SPEAKER_05 12:16

I thought I'd be more entertained, like maybe on a thanksgiving level. Like that, it was filled with puns. It was filled, I feel like you know, it had some, but you really had to pay attention. And I I don't know. I found myself towards the end being like, I thought it was the end, and then it wasn't, and then it just like carried on. So I think you know, the time frame of this movie just caught me off guard because I was like, okay, it's an hour and a half, but where I think it ended, I think it was only at 45 minutes. So not wrong, not wrong.

SPEAKER_01 12:47

Yeah, this definitely drags towards the end. Uh, but overall, I felt like it was a pretty easy watch, especially compared to what I was expecting. I kind of thought this was going to be like hard to get through and would be, you know, taxing on my joy. Um, but I like Mac, I was pretty entertained as well. There were a lot of things I laughed at. Um, you do have to suspend your disbelief. Um, but also the whole time I was really thinking of two things. One, Michael Keaton in the same movie. And also, I don't know if anyone's played this, but on Nintendo 64, there was a game called Clay Fighter, and there was like one of the fighters was a snowman, and he was like an evil snowman that would kill people. So that is what I was thinking of. If anybody that's listening has played this game, helped me feel like I'm not crazy.

SPEAKER_04 13:30

Nope, just you. That's totally fair. I mean, I'm sure there are plenty of other people that remember it.

SPEAKER_03 13:35

Yeah, so while I was watching this, I felt like I was back into the the misery of holiday horror films. I know I just said that, but they're I just remember last year, my fresh year on the podcast, watching this series of movies that are related to holidays, and they just always have a certain feeling to them. And uh this one definitely gives you that same feeling, and you really have to go into it and decide if you're gonna have fun or if you're gonna be a miserable yacht, and you have two choices. Make the right one. Is it like the horror movie equivalent of watching a Christmas lifetime movie? Kind of. Not that it's like the same as a lifetime movie, but it's a similar thing where like when you decide to watch a lifetime movie, you you gotta know what you're in for. When you're when you put on what is it, Hallmark? Don't they have a channel? When you put on the Hallmark the Hallmark channel, you you gotta be okay with what's gonna happen. And that you just saw the same actor in the previous movie. You're opting in, yeah, you have to opt in. And this movie is the same, you have to opt in.

SPEAKER_04 14:34

That that's totally fair. I think this is one where you know it it'd be so easy to get like even a second into this movie and realize, okay, no, this is gonna be this is gonna be that kind of situation. But it's also one of those movies that's not intent trying to be anything that it isn't. It's not trying to be this really serious piece of artwork, right? Like it's a low budget movie, it's there for the laughs, and uh, I think it it even achieves some things that it didn't set out to achieve originally when the movie was written. But I will say this for as low budget as it is, I am surprised how much the cinematography stands up. That's not to say it's a gorgeous movie, but for some reason I'm thinking about you know the pun game back and forth between Jack Frost or The Turkey from Thanksgiving. And I just for some reason expect really shitty cinematography where this stands on its own two legs pretty well. Like this would be a movie that I wouldn't have been mad to pick up in Blockbuster.

SPEAKER_07 15:35

This does not feel like it was filmed by college friends, I'll say that.

SPEAKER_05 15:38

For sure. Well, I will say it seems like it was supposed to be filmed in the 80s, and that's what really surprised me because I was like, uh, this movie is supposed to be in 1997, but feels like the 80s. The only thing 90s about this movie is Shannon Elizabeth. Literally, playing the same character she always does.

SPEAKER_03 15:59

I I was gonna say, it's so funny, I don't even know her name. You said Shannon Elizabeth, and I was like, I don't know how that is. Y'all know me, I don't know actors, but I know exactly who you're talking about because she only plays one character in 90s movies, 90s and 2000s. That's it, that's all she does. Bad for her. We saw her in 13 Ghosts, and she played the same character. She did, slightly less horny, and in scary movie.

SPEAKER_04 16:21

I think a little bit, a little bit smarter in 13 Ghosts.

SPEAKER_07 16:24

She's 100% always American Pie to me.

SPEAKER_05 16:27

Or not another teen movie, exactly. Or name another movie every movie that she plays.

SPEAKER_04 16:33

But you know, this is different because it's the first time she did it.

SPEAKER_01 16:36

Yeah, I was surprised to find that out. I looked it up and I was like, Shannon Elizabeth was in this movie of all things and continued to have a somewhat of a career after this. That's incredible. Great job, Shannon Elizabeth.

SPEAKER_07 16:47

Oh, I'm sure filmmakers watched her in this film and were like, we could do so many things with that. AK we could just do that in every movie with it. Over and over again. Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 16:55

So is there a bathroom scene with every movie she's in? Because I've only ever seen 13 Ghosts. I haven't seen American Pie or anything else she's been in, which there's a bathroom scene in now too.

SPEAKER_01 17:04

There's often a boob scene. Oh, 100%. But Chris, what you were saying earlier with the cinematography, I actually I noticed that as well. There were a couple little choices that were made where I was like, oh, this is actually pretty nice. Much nicer than I would have thought a movie of this caliber would bring.

SPEAKER_04 17:21

Exactly. It's kind of like, oh, you for sure have someone talented there who might be at the beginning of their career. Like you might have stumbled onto some luck there.

SPEAKER_01 17:32

Yeah, there were some nice shots.

SPEAKER_03 17:33

Yeah, it's funny because I actually uh don't feel that way about the cinematography at all. I have some very specific things, but it's it's not like the quality of the cinematography, it's just the choices that were made. And I think it probably resides on the low budget factor and whatever. Um, I think that was something that that I that I didn't enjoy. I also like oddly was surprised by how realistic this the people in this movie were, aside from the killer, but like the in the town, I was like, are these real people that they just walked around and talked to? Because it did seem in some places like like when they talk to one of the you know teenage boys and he's like, whatever. Like, yeah, it's kind of corny writing, but also kind of legit. Is it very Midwestern? I wouldn't know.

SPEAKER_04 18:22

Except it's Colorado.

SPEAKER_01 18:23

I was definitely getting Midwest vibes throughout this movie. Um, specifically, there's a scene where there's a bunch of townspeople in a sheriff's office, and I thought, that's never happened ever. Uh, and then I was like, oh, probably in the Midwest.

SPEAKER_07 18:36

That's so accurate. I was surprised by the setting when watching this because a hundred percent I thought it was a small town in the Midwest. Like it even looks like a small Midwestern town when they're in the center of this small town.

SPEAKER_04 18:48

Yeah, it was one where I was watching this with my girlfriend, and she says, Where the hell is this supposed to take place? Because it's snowy, and one guy's wearing a cowboy hat, but it's clearly not the south. And I was like, Oh, you know, somewhere like uh where you're a rancher, but you get snow sometimes. We're trying to Google it, right? But of course, this movie is set in the very fictional town of Snowmonton. Oh my god. That's another exam exhibit C of what you're getting into. But just as I gave up on Googling, of course, we get a shot of a license plate and it says Colorado with half of the license plate blurred out. And I'm like, all right, it's great. Here we are. It feels right. Yes, it is the worst indeed. I mean, they didn't really try very hard, but uh, do they get credit for originality with the name of the town? Who knows? We'll see. But I will say that uh while I got a couple laps, was not even remotely scared. Not even in the way that I think this movie would hope to. Like, I don't think there's even imagery in here that I could see scaring a small child.

SPEAKER_03 19:49

Yeah, there's like the one scene where they randomly jump cut to a person screaming, and that's like maybe the scariest part of this movie, and literally only because you're listening to it and and and might be alarmed by the loud noise. That's it.

SPEAKER_05 20:02

Yeah, um, I it definitely wasn't scary. There was a scene that I felt was very kind of disturbing, um, to say the least, and I'll talk about it in the gore section, but yeah, it was just like uh WTF.

SPEAKER_07 20:15

When making a horror movie, if you think, do you want to build a snowman? Just let it go. Let it go because it's not scary. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 20:23

No, it only took us uh 20 minutes to get there. Thanks, Mac.

SPEAKER_01 20:26

You're welcome. Anything else we want to get out while we're here?

SPEAKER_04 20:28

I've never seen the movie. I'd like to get that out.

SPEAKER_01 20:30

Uh yeah, this for sure was not scary whatsoever. Um, but there was a piece of gore that I thought was gross um and shown a little too much. I bet if I was six years old, it may have traumatized me. I'm curious to see if that's the same thing Alexis is gonna talk about. Uh, but yeah, this was more funny than scary, and I think that was the point. I think. I hope.

SPEAKER_04 20:50

Yeah, well, it is it is a comedy, right? It's classified as a comedy and not retroactively classified as a comedy either. There are definitely those moments where there are little bits of dialogue that show the writers aren't taking themselves too seriously. There are little like confusing eyebrow movements from one character looking into the camera as we see the snowman becoming what the snowman is. And that's again evidence of they know exactly what they're doing and they're kind of having fun with it. But I will say it doesn't feel particularly special to me. I don't think okay, look, here's the thing, right? I haven't seen another Killer Snowman movie, but this does not reek, you know, as as anything that is of its own like caliber of horror, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_05 21:33

That's interesting you say that because I think a uh serial killer being uh vaporized by some liquid, I have no freaking idea how this happened, and then be transforms into a snowman. Like, I mean, I get it. We've had soul transference in other movies of serial killers. That's the thing, Chucky.

SPEAKER_04 21:53

Chucky, yeah, child's play. That's that's that's really what it is. It's just like the soul transference, but in a different way.

SPEAKER_03 22:00

It doesn't make it original. It's like child's play, but also the Terminator with the dude that turns into the the liquid.

SPEAKER_05 22:05

It's child's play, but cold. But antifreeze involved. I don't know. I thought it was original. I clearly haven't seen a killer snowman movie. Um, so just throw that in there.

SPEAKER_03 22:18

Yeah, I mean, you're not wrong, Alexis, but it's just like, I don't know. Maybe the maybe, maybe some part of originality is based on things that need to happen. And this maybe didn't need to happen. Maybe, maybe we didn't need to see a snowman who's killing people.

SPEAKER_05 22:35

You know what? If you did you grow up somewhere where there's a lot of snow? No, no, no. Okay, that's what ruins it for me. Why? Because let me tell you, snowmen are freaking they're freaky. And then once it starts melting and it looks all weird, they're gross.

SPEAKER_03 22:49

I mean, I'm on board with that. I kind of panic at anything, the shape of anything in the corner of my eye. So I'm sure I would freak out, but I wouldn't be like looking behind the snowman. I'd just chop the snowman in half, you know, when something creepy starts happening.

SPEAKER_04 23:02

Honestly, if Ryan were in this movie, her and the snowman would be going back and forth with puns. Like they'd be just switching out jokes all day.

SPEAKER_05 23:09

I would love to see that battle. That would be funny.

SPEAKER_07 23:12

I think when it comes to scary movies involving snowmen, Frosty the Snowman just did it better.

SPEAKER_04 23:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 23:18

What's this now? Frosty the Snowman. Have you heard of this? Like the animated horror movie? Nope. I don't know what it is.

SPEAKER_04 23:24

It's not a horror movie. Oh, no. It's just a regular old movie. Cartoon.

SPEAKER_01 23:29

Okay, I have seen that.

SPEAKER_04 23:30

But here's the thing. If you look closely at Frosty and everything he does, it seems kind of like grooming and it's super weird.

SPEAKER_01 23:36

Oh god, I'll have to revisit this.

SPEAKER_07 23:38

Watch it with a horror movie soundtrack going.

SPEAKER_05 23:40

Uh no.

SPEAKER_01 23:42

I'm kind of with Alexis, though. This felt very original. Serial killer snowman. Haven't seen it before, haven't seen it since. Um, and I feel like with that premise came a lot of original kills as well.

SPEAKER_05 23:52

Original kills, but I mean, I'll talk about it later, but I they could have everything could have been punnier in this movie, but I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 24:00

He like had a pun every few seconds.

SPEAKER_05 24:02

Like, I don't know how much punnier it could have gotten. Maybe I was just trying to figure out when this movie was going to end because the ending of this movie literally felt so long. I was like, I thought it was done.

SPEAKER_03 24:14

And I get it, it's those fake out ones where you think someone, something happens, and I I fell asleep after the ending, and then woke back up and the movie was still going, and I was like, what's happening? What is this?

SPEAKER_01 24:27

Yeah, this one's definitely guilty of an end, an end, end, and an end, and end. And I don't know that it was wildly successful.

SPEAKER_07 24:34

It did have that issue, but I thought it was successful. I I think as a whole, the ending was as ridiculous as the rest of the film, and so it kind of fit in. But I think when I think of ending in this, I think of the actual end. There are a couple like misfires on the way to get there, but I think once you're there, it actually works as an ending to a horror movie.

SPEAKER_04 24:56

I think I have several logistical questions about the way hazmat was handled. Uh, because here's the thing I think there should be at least two more people added to the body count of this movie, based on that alone. But we'll definitely debate.

SPEAKER_01 25:08

I think that's just a matter of time.

SPEAKER_04 25:10

Yeah. We need like the actual body count, and then we need the there's a case study on the life expectancy of these survivors afterwards this season. Okay, give me more work. If you were someone you know. Come on, Alexis, predict the best. You got this. So it sounds like we've had some pretty mixed messages from here, right? You know, this movie's slightly original to some, entertaining to others. Even the ending may or may not be satisfying to you. But let's see how that all starts to translate as we get down to rating this movie. Now, Alexis, Snowman, kills, Paris has said it. There's some unique deaths. How many people died in this movie?

SPEAKER_05 25:48

We had 11 people die in this movie, you know. Pretty high for uh Killer Snowman.

SPEAKER_01 25:54

That's almost everyone that lived in that town.

SPEAKER_05 25:57

Hey, I will uh vouch there's more than 11 people in a town in the Midwest. But not this town. Some towns in Colorado, some towns, maybe 20.

SPEAKER_07 26:07

Snowminton, Colorado, that probably is at least half the town.

SPEAKER_05 26:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 26:11

It seemed like it. But the real burning question here is what about our animal report, Ryan?

SPEAKER_03 26:16

Ooh, I'm very happy to say that our animal report is all good. It's in the clear.

SPEAKER_04 26:20

That's great. Because you never know. With these winter films, you get the winter dogs out there who kind of pose a threat and they're defending the house.

SPEAKER_03 26:26

Yeah, things get sketchy, but um, I mean, unless you consider Jack Frost an animal. Otherwise, everything's good.

SPEAKER_04 26:33

Undebatable, truly. But let's go ahead and start getting into those ratings. Jack Frost from 1997, Old Man Winter.

SPEAKER_05 26:40

Is it a hack or a slash? I was struggling with this movie. Just kidding. I wasn't. I'm giving this a hack. It wasn't hard. I really wish maybe it was the mood I was in, but I think I was in a pretty good mood watching this. Honestly, I wish there was a little bit more dirty humor in this and a little bit more like more just like punny stuff. I don't think it was loaded as I wanted it to be for the type of movie it was. Like, don't even try to be serious. And I think this movie tried to be a little bit more serious than it was.

SPEAKER_04 27:09

I'd like to remind you that there's a pun in here after an intercourse uh where someone says Christmas came early, huh?

SPEAKER_01 27:17

Ugh.

SPEAKER_04 27:18

That was you know, like that didn't do it for you.

SPEAKER_01 27:20

Oh, I mean.

SPEAKER_05 27:22

That scene was a little just odd.

SPEAKER_06 27:26

Let's see. Odd.

SPEAKER_04 27:27

So I think I was I'm just saying the dirty puns are there. They are, but they're devil's advocate. Snowman's advocate.

SPEAKER_05 27:34

I get what you're saying. I just wanted it to be a little bit more loaded. I wanted it to be laughing more than I did, and I didn't really laugh that much. So it's a hack.

SPEAKER_03 27:42

There was a good that's what she said joke in there, but I couldn't get it in in time.

SPEAKER_07 27:46

That's what she said.

SPEAKER_03 27:49

I love it.

SPEAKER_07 27:50

Yeah, you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna go with that. I wish that they had made it more funny, like a spoof. You know, I think I think this has some serious like spoof material inside there, and they could have really played on that towards the comedy side. I spent an hour and a half laughing at this movie, as I mentioned, not with it. This was a total joke. It's thus a total hack. Please refund me 1.5 hours of my life.

SPEAKER_04 28:15

No, it's in your contract.

SPEAKER_07 28:17

I don't think it's a bad movie. I just think it honestly, literally, the you know, the term joke, I think it's a joke of a movie. And I think it could have been like twisted a little bit, just like go from five to six in the humor direction, and I would have been okay with it. Some of the, you know, some of the shots they could have used would have made it seem very not quite slapstick, but more comical, and I would have been a little bit happier with that. But it is those moments where they kind of play it off a little bit too serious. You know, it's hard, it's hard to get in with it. But I'm watching this in the house, so my fiance, my roommate, they were like walking by while I'm watching this, and they're just like, I don't under what? Why does how does that work? If he can do this, then why not what? And I'm just like, no, guys, you can't don't try to understand it. It doesn't make any sense, it doesn't have to make sense. So it does have some redeeming moments that are kind of funny, but overall, it's just a joke of a movie.

SPEAKER_03 29:08

Yep. I pretty much have to agree with you guys. Um, for me, this is funny, but like Jack Frost is really the only person making puns here, right? We have like pretty, pretty likable normal characters otherwise, and I think for how hard they went with Jack Frost, they needed to go that hard with some other people as well, and it it just wasn't there. It just felt like they just threw Jack Frost in from another spoof movie. Um, for me, I think like some of the it it felt like a senior in film school shot this. Um, and this was his or or wrote this, made this all together. I don't know why you're making that face at me, Chris.

SPEAKER_04 29:48

I think this is like a really talented senior in film school. Sure. Yeah, and a lot of money.

SPEAKER_03 29:54

Top sure for us. I'm totally cool with that. I'm absolutely on board with that. But it's like he's he's not quite at his greatness yet, you know? Like this is like an idea that like maybe he was really high when he came up with it. Obviously, I'm just speaking about things I don't know at this point, but it's just like a lot of the scenes, like especially when we get to FBI agents that are involved, it's just very like, I'm gonna get these guys from my class to sit in this room and say some things. I don't know. Um, for me, the standout like star of the show was Marla, the woman from the station. She's killer, and she's like the only thing that I enjoyed. And I did not spend an hour and a half laughing at this movie or with it. And the logistics and like um how things work in this movie are a little too sketchy for me. You guys know sometimes I have a I get real hung up on like how is that possible? How does that work? And exactly what Max said, you can't do that with this movie. Um, that's a long-winded hack. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk. I love it.

SPEAKER_01 30:59

I will keep mine brief. It's a hack. Uh, this movie was both dumb and bad, whether that was intentional or otherwise, doesn't change that. I'm not mad that I watched it though. It was pretty entertaining. There were a couple moments that I laughed out loud. Um, but really the ending got so boring and I stopped being entertained, and I was like, now this is just bad, but not in the fun way. Uh so if you're like so bored and you want to watch a really stupid movie about a serial killer snowman, put this on. Yeah, maybe drunk, maybe under some type of other influence. Uh, give this a watch, but ultimately it's a hack and you don't have to watch this.

SPEAKER_04 31:35

You know, in the 2000s, we got two Titans of horror facing off in a horror movie, right? And that's Freddie versus Jason. I think that this movie is is ripe with potential to perhaps have a face-off with Jack Frost and the turkey from Thanksgiving. It'd be horrible. It'd be terrible. But I wouldn't be mad at watching it for the experience of the puns going back and forth. This movie is uh it's a comedy, and I I did find some moments of it to have actually intelligent humor, but it didn't make me laugh out loud. And I'm not someone who really vibes with a comedy, right? Like there are some like Tucker and Dale versus Evil, I laughed out loud, right? It has to really shake me to my core and like really give me a good, hearty laugh from the depths of my soul for me to actually enjoy a comedy. And this one just uh it didn't. It didn't. And while I can excuse so many things, there are scenes in here that did not need to be in here. Uh there are accidental scenes that also did not need to be in here, and I would have preferred to just see cut out of the movie instead of just embraced for what they were. So this this movie is undoubtedly a hack. And Paris, you know, I think it's a fair assessment. If you're looking for something to not really pay attention to, you want to see a Zero Killer Snowman, put it on. But for some reason, I can't even bring myself to that. Like it wasn't funny enough. You know what I mean? Like it the quills are there. I think if you're a Lexus and you want something to not actually watch and you just want to see some fucking death, okay. But I think if you want to laugh, I don't know that it's funny enough to get you there.

SPEAKER_01 33:16

Are we starting off 2021 with a universal hack?

SPEAKER_04 33:19

We sure are. There you have it, folks. Five hacks. But you can check this out if you want. You can find it streaming online. It doesn't sound like we encourage it, but you know what? Fuck it. Give it a watch. Join us in the second half so we can have some shit to talk about this movie together. See you in a bit.

SPEAKER_07 33:49

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SPEAKER_04 34:25

Welcome back, folks. You are now entering the spoiler zone for our very first universal hack of 2021, Jack Frost from 1997. Now we have a lot to talk about here. Uh, there are certainly some questionable scenes, some little glimmers of maybe redemptive humor sometimes at some parts. But first comes first. We gotta get to the gore. Alexis, what's the gore score for this movie?

SPEAKER_05 34:48

I mean, this movie is packed with kills. We have 11 deaths, and the first one starts off five minutes in the movie. You know, it's pretty cool. Um, I don't think necessarily for me it was essentially really gory. I mean, this some of the kills are pretty cool, and but they weren't as graphic, I think, because of the nature of the movie. Um, you know, these disintegrated bodies that they I think that's like the coolest part, but I don't necessarily would consider it gory, but there is one scene I would like to mention, which I think was we mentioned before, I don't know if Paris, this was also disturbing for you as it was for me. But we have this bathroom scene that originally wasn't really intended to be in the movie at all, meant to be just Jack Frost smashing Jill's head into the uh wall until she died, which seemed like it was going in that way. But when the movie got into editing, um the editor told the director, you know what? This looks like it what it's supposed to be with this floating carrot. Due to that, they're like, you know what, let's just keep this whole scene in. And they went with it. And there's obviously Jack Frost at the end making some bad puns. So I don't know. That was a scene that was super graphic for me, or not graphic necessarily, but I just felt like did it need to be in.

SPEAKER_04 36:10

Unnecessary, like the turkey scene in Thanksgiving. Exactly. There are perverts to a lot of them. Yes, and but here's the thing, right? So this movie, they don't intend for it to be in that direction. He's supposed to just be slamming her head, whatever. His hands are by her waist. There's definitely some motion in the lower extremities of the snowman. You can't even have extremities on a snowman, and he managed to have them. It's ridiculous. It was not a decision they needed to embrace. I don't think it's I don't think that's the case at all. I think they could have easily cut it off as like him engulfing her in the bathtub and then just leave it at that. She's frozen dead.

SPEAKER_05 36:47

Agree, which is kind of how like some I mean, I was waiting for it to be something like that, especially with the mechanics of him having this like water. So anytime I'm seeing water, I'm like, oh my gosh, like all it has to do is infiltrate and they're dead. Oh yeah. And that's I was waiting for too. I wish they would have left it at that, too.

SPEAKER_03 37:03

Are humans mostly water? That's a tiny annoying thing in that scene is that she is in, you know, her arms are like inside of him. That sounds weird.

SPEAKER_06 37:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 37:13

But you know what I mean? Like he's he has control of her arms. And then there's like this random cut scene where it looks like she's waving out the window to the neighbor, and the neighbor walks by, but no one has hands. No one's there that can have hands to wave in front of the window. And I'm just like, why? Why?

SPEAKER_04 37:30

You know what's the most infuriating part of all that? It's it you didn't even need to get there. Why was your girl blow drying her hair just to get wet again?

SPEAKER_03 37:38

And also, she blew dry it for like 30 minutes and it was never dry.

SPEAKER_05 37:42

It never changed. Oh, yeah, I was gonna say that I know hair, my takes that long to dry.

SPEAKER_04 37:47

Her hair wasn't wet to begin with, though.

SPEAKER_05 37:49

It was like it was barely wet to start, barely wet to finish.

SPEAKER_04 37:53

Potentially slightly damp from the snow outside.

SPEAKER_03 37:56

Also, like blow drying your hair in somebody else's house. I mean, they did a lot of things in someone else's house that are awkward, but like being there when they're yeah, like being there at all. But just to like go upstairs, turn on some music and start blow drying your hair. Like, I I don't know, women know how much your hair sheds. Like, you just walk into a pile of someone else's hair. It's disgusting.

SPEAKER_07 38:14

I was hoping that instead of that scene, the ice cubes would have been made of Jack Frost and then he would have like exploded out of her body or something.

SPEAKER_03 38:23

Yeah, that I that's actually what I thought was gonna happen when they magically turned that snow into perfect ice cubes. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 38:29

I was crossing my fingers because that would have been super cool and gory.

SPEAKER_04 38:32

Now that's the magic of Christmas. See?

SPEAKER_05 38:35

I did um love Jake, Jake's death. It was uh pretty good cool. Um, you know, axe through the mouth. I think I liked it more because he literally just said, I was trying to ask you a question.

SPEAKER_04 38:49

But there wasn't enough puns. He for real deep throated that axe in ways that made no sense.

SPEAKER_03 38:56

You can't get deeper than that. Yeah, and they were like, Oh, but there's no there's no signs of a person going back and forth to push it in. Like, okay. Yeah, it's it's the handle of an axe down someone's throat. That's that's the issue.

SPEAKER_04 39:09

What I want to know is if they were to flip over his body, did the handle of the axe go all the way down, penetrate the other side and into the ground? I'm sorry, how long do you think the axe is?

SPEAKER_03 39:20

Uh it it's a lot longer than his head. Oh, I was thinking it went into his torso.

SPEAKER_01 39:25

In my mind, it just like bent down his throat.

SPEAKER_04 39:28

Bending down is it like, you know what I mean? Like it's an easy thing to assume, but it's kind of weird when you really think about it.

SPEAKER_03 39:35

Oh it's weird. Don't worry, you don't have to think that hard. That's kind of how everything in this movie is, right?

SPEAKER_04 39:40

I gotta say, Billy's death, the kid who was beheaded by the sled, his was my favorite.

SPEAKER_01 39:46

You mean besledded?

SPEAKER_04 39:47

Yes, besledd, yes. It was my favorite, not even just because he was a little twerp who got what was coming to him, and you have this comically bad head just flying off. It was the humor afterwards that really did it for me because someone says, Oh, he just had a birthday. Someone says, What'd he get? And I guess they tell them in all the commotion, and someone's like, Oh, he won't be needing that, really. Yeah, like that fucking cracked me up.

SPEAKER_03 40:11

That was a moment where I was like, Okay, maybe we'll give it a chance. We'll give it a chance. It was funny. To be clear, cracked me up on the inside, not the outside. Yes, always. My favorite was the death of Tommy, that uh those those like ninja stars, but icicles, that's what really did it for me. You know? That's what did it for her. And they were and well, I mean, to be fair, they like went through a wall, and then they were just like making juicy noises through the wall. There's a lot of weird noises happening in this movie.

SPEAKER_07 40:42

Why did he nod his head though when he was dead?

SPEAKER_03 40:44

Yeah, like like he was like in agreement, like I don't know, everything is weird. It seemed like his brain was pulsating through the door.

SPEAKER_04 40:54

Yes, like when the icicle-I don't know why the icicle left.

SPEAKER_03 40:56

The other one didn't leave. Yeah, I know. It was weird.

SPEAKER_07 40:59

It's a throbbing brain.

SPEAKER_03 41:01

Oh, can we also mention how unsexy it is when people in winter clothing in Colorado take off all their outerwear? That was very funny.

SPEAKER_05 41:11

There are so many layers, and it's just like, oh, we could be here for a while. It is very true. I didn't live in Colorado, but being from Cleveland, that it's essential. Layering. I know.

SPEAKER_03 41:21

I remember like when I was a kid going out in the snow, and then you come in and have to like de layer and like let everything dry because you always get some level of wet wet socks and stuff.

SPEAKER_04 41:31

But like in a sexual context, that sounds complicated, and I am not looking forward to living in winter. It's gonna happen.

SPEAKER_01 41:39

So I'm honestly very surprised that nobody took my favorite kill because I thought it was gonna be like a universal we all loved it.

SPEAKER_04 41:46

Or we're saving it for you.

SPEAKER_01 41:47

But for me, it was Sally's kill, the mom whose uh son got besledd. Just like seeing the snowman's like giant mitten-shaped hand just slamming her face into the ornaments repeatedly. Um, it also like starts off with like a weird zoom in and out and in and out on his face. And also just like, can we talk about the rockabilly music that plays during all of these kills?

SPEAKER_04 42:08

The most bizarre thing, really.

SPEAKER_01 42:10

Yeah, so she gets like her face smashed into a bunch of ornaments like a dozen times. She gets her mouth stuffed with an ornament, she gets like strangled by Christmas lights and then like tied to a tree. And then later you see them just taking the whole tree out because they couldn't get her body off of the tree, so they just took the whole tree with them.

SPEAKER_04 42:27

Yeah. I reckon you don't want to leave her up for the 12 days of Christmas.

SPEAKER_01 42:30

Yeah, the whole thing really just got me good and made me laugh the most.

SPEAKER_03 42:33

Also, she like walks into the room and then sits down in her rocking chair, and then there's a shot of Jack Frost behind her. I'm like, oh man, I always don't notice when there's a snowman in my house. We don't either because he wasn't in the shot before. Yeah, and then he wasn't in the shot after. Honestly, Jack Frost is anywhere and everywhere in this movie.

SPEAKER_01 42:52

Jack Frost has Alex Mack powers in that he can be a puddle and slip into anywhere.

SPEAKER_04 42:57

Honestly, Alex Mack was one of my earliest crushes on TV.

SPEAKER_07 43:01

She was gorgeous.

SPEAKER_04 43:03

I don't know who that is. Wow, I feel old.

SPEAKER_07 43:05

Yeah, same. I always thought it was cool because her last name was my first name. Oh, look at that.

SPEAKER_03 43:09

Was she from?

SPEAKER_07 43:10

No, Alex Mack is the name of a character in the show called Alex Mack.

SPEAKER_03 43:14

Oh, yep. Missed that one. The secret world of Alex Mack. Classic meme.

SPEAKER_04 43:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 43:19

She had a similar power of like turning to liquid and stuff.

SPEAKER_04 43:21

It was pretty cool, but looking back, not sure why I had a crush on her.

SPEAKER_07 43:24

Because she wore a backwards hat.

SPEAKER_04 43:26

Oh, it's because she wore a snapback. That's right.

SPEAKER_07 43:29

Chris, you definitely took my favorite death. Um, to add to it though, I thought it was so strange how no one in his family or the community seemed bothered really at all, like in any kind of normal way. They didn't process his death like at any other human being would. They just kind of moved on. Like, yeah, he died today. All right, anyway, so let's go celebrate Christmas. Like, no big deal. That was weird.

SPEAKER_04 43:52

Except for the dad. The dad was real mad that the mom wanted to put Christmas lights up.

SPEAKER_07 43:56

Right, right.

SPEAKER_05 43:57

Also weird that no one thought like having a snooker. Snowman around was as weird as it should be. I mean, this isn't Bojack Horseman. There isn't like multiple universes in one, like in one sitting. So I was just like, like, why isn't anyone freaking out more that this is a snowman? You know.

SPEAKER_07 44:14

If I had to pick a second though, uh, I think I would go with Old Man Harper. And we don't even see it on screen, but that dude's neck was like completely just backwards. And that was so unexpected for this film too. Like, that was a good that was a good prop. And I definitely was not expecting to see that.

SPEAKER_04 44:30

Yeah, I agree with that. Okay, for sure. I will say though, that uh despite the cool funny deaths that we get, I will say that Sally's was stunning to look at, but I think one of my favorite scenes is actually this very brief moment, and it's a moment that showed how much potential this movie had for good cinematography. And I normally don't like this, but it's the cheesy moment where the sheriff is in his car and then it flashes back to when he caught Jack Frost. There was something about that transition the way it was executed. That transition was of a higher quality than many other elements of this movie.

SPEAKER_03 45:08

Oh, see, I didn't like that very much because they just had Jack Frost screaming, and I was just like, okay.

SPEAKER_04 45:14

Oh no, yeah. I didn't like the rest of the follow. It was a brief moment of the transition.

SPEAKER_03 45:18

Got it, got it, got it. For me, my absolute favorite scene in this movie, and it's a little tiny nugget, and I hope you all caught it. So it's when we have Tyler and Manners and they're talking, and Sheriff Tyler asks for coffee, and Marla brings it over, pours him some coffee, and then Manners just has his cup out, like just waiting for her to fill it, and she just cheerses his cup with the pot of coffee. And it was the greatest thing because I was like, I know she's not gonna, she's not gonna pour this man some coffee. And she's just like, there you go, and just keeps on moving, like in conversation. Oh, it was the best thing. I'm so mad that I didn't pick up on that.

SPEAKER_07 45:56

I also didn't.

SPEAKER_03 45:57

Oh gosh, I can't believe you missed it. You really missed a nugget.

SPEAKER_07 46:00

She was pure gold this entire film.

SPEAKER_05 46:02

Yeah, a level of petty that most aspire to. Agree. I mean, no one's favorite scene was like the animation of the DNA in the snow. That was the worst part.

SPEAKER_04 46:13

That was like a cheesy ass knockoff Frosty the Snowman cartoon.

SPEAKER_01 46:17

Let Alexis live.

SPEAKER_05 46:18

I was joking. I was just joking. Um, I actually didn't have a favorite scene in this movie, believe it or not. That's wow.

SPEAKER_07 46:27

That scene you mentioned, they should have gone even harder into it that had actual like full animation, uh, like they did in Jurassic Park, you know? It should have been like, ha, I'm Mr. DNA.

SPEAKER_05 46:36

I did love that.

SPEAKER_07 46:37

Looks like it's a snow particle. We're gonna bomb together.

SPEAKER_05 46:40

That movie's so epic.

SPEAKER_04 46:41

I watched it the other day because it's on Netflix. I want to give a runner-up of a scene, and it's not my favorite scene, but it certainly is one of the ones that I find the most absurd. It's the anti-freeze baptism of Ryan. Oh my god. Isn't it bizarre? Okay, first off, here are my logistical questions, all right? You have Sam Tyler. He is penetrated by an icicle, he has an open wound, right? Yes. He tackles the snowman into the bed of the truck filled with anti-freeze. His mouth is open, his ears are there, you know, his eyes are open, his mouth is there. Everything's just a gape. He has this open wound. The antifreeze has gotta fuck him up, right? Like, there's no way he's walking away from that unphazed by this chemical that should be burning him. And then, and truly, look, I'm there for the absurdity of the fucking magical genetic snowman. I hear I hear you, but to baptize your son, non-religiously, of course, into antifreeze and just let him waller around in it for a while, it's fucking weird. It's a weird choice, and uh, you know, I'm surprised that the kid didn't die inadvertently.

SPEAKER_03 47:48

Yeah, and just like having the pastor, reverend, whatever you want to call him, just casually there, coming over to to hug him afterwards. It was it was a lot. That whole scene was like nuts.

SPEAKER_05 48:00

I was like, is this tremors? Like, what's going on? This whole movie's nuts.

SPEAKER_07 48:07

We were watching that and thinking, like, wait, he's like breathing that in and like drinking it. It's like water to them. They're not gonna feel good whatsoever after this. Now, I I know that it it's not bad. Like, if you know, if it touches your skin, even if you get it like in an open cut or something, you'll be fine. But if you drink it, it doesn't take that much to poison you. So that's that can't be a good time whatsoever for them.

SPEAKER_03 48:29

Um, I'm sorry, I think we're really overlooking the fact that the child put antifreeze in the food for his parents.

SPEAKER_04 48:36

Yeah, what a convenient plot to buy. Yeah, he's like, Oh, I didn't want you to be cold. He's like, Oh no, you did great. I'm like, I think your son tried to kill you. Now your son thinks it's okay to take random chemicals from your home and put it in your oats, Dad.

SPEAKER_07 48:50

He made a special.

SPEAKER_04 48:52

A compliment I do have to give this film. I have never heard a father call his son honey. Have you?

SPEAKER_01 48:58

My boyfriend pointed that out too. He was like, Is that a thing dads do? And I was like, I wouldn't know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 49:04

I've only heard it to daughters or old time, old soul kind of guys, to their honeys, hence being called honey. Never heard it to a son. And hey, I'm you know, not here for the toxic masculinity, like good on you. I do think honey is just a weird endearment, though.

SPEAKER_03 49:22

Yeah, it's a little it's a little strange, but it didn't stand out to me. I didn't I didn't even notice.

SPEAKER_07 49:26

I think it's something that can can work for any kid, you know. I mean, as long as you're their parent.

SPEAKER_04 49:31

Oh, you're so about the equal opportunity. I love it. All the time. Let's see if when you become like a dad, dad, and like dad with a capital D. Let's see if you call your kid honey.

SPEAKER_07 49:41

I will call them child and they will call me father.

SPEAKER_04 49:43

That's so weird. Isn't there only one father though? Our father.

SPEAKER_07 49:47

Good point, Chris.

SPEAKER_03 49:48

Good point. Yes, checkmate, good Catholic sir. Speaking of Catholic sirs, um, I don't really have a favorite visual element in this movie because I think the visuals of the kills threw me off so much that in my head this movie is uh I I just I feel like I know that technically they didn't shoot this movie poorly, but like the choices of like the zooming in and out on Jack Frost during a kill, or like when the car accident happened and they just spun the camera or you know, made it look like the scene was spinning, like things like that drove me so insane that it kind of turned me off from this movie.

SPEAKER_04 50:31

For a second there, I really thought you were gonna say your favorite visual element was the priest.

SPEAKER_03 50:36

Who looked exactly like Stan Lee. That would make sense, but I wasn't using a transition realistically.

SPEAKER_04 50:42

I don't have a favorite visual element either, but I do have one that stood out as pretty absurd. It was the clippings, it was the letters uh that Jack Frost sent saying, I'll I'll find a way, in the style of a ransom note, but signed. He signs his name. And also, I guess magazines, scissors, and glue is more accessible than a pen or a pencil in prison. You know what I mean? Like it's funny, it's silly. Like, I'm not like docking points off the movie for that, but it's absurd, and it definitely was something I kept thinking about.

SPEAKER_07 51:21

He was using a special folding technique, you know, he like folds it and then uses his nail to crease it, and then he can like cut it, but he has to do it carefully around each level.

SPEAKER_03 51:28

He's sticking it with earwax, that's what it is. He doesn't actually have scissors and click.

SPEAKER_04 51:33

So this is the MacGyver of prison. Is that what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_07 51:36

He's just I mean You know, you use the oil off of your nose. That's maybe that's what he was doing.

SPEAKER_01 51:40

I'm honestly very surprised that you guys are struggling for visual elements because it's pretty much the only thing I got out of this movie. I have four, and I don't really have like a a lot of anything else except these. Um, one, the opening credits I thought was fun, having like those little handwritten names on each different ornament as it kind of pans around the tree. That seemed like it took a lot of effort. What?

SPEAKER_04 52:01

So, fun fact, that was what I would consider the best part of the movie. So much better than everything else that followed. I would consider that the worst.

SPEAKER_01 52:10

See, I hated the voice though. That voice was so horrible. So if you watch it on mute, it's nice.

SPEAKER_03 52:16

Oh, okay. But the story was the worst thing ever.

SPEAKER_05 52:19

It was pretty cheesy.

SPEAKER_03 52:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 52:21

Yeah, the content was garbage, but the we're talking visuals.

SPEAKER_03 52:24

Okay, okay. Just sorry, sorry, sorry. Just making sure.

SPEAKER_01 52:27

Yeah, no, just the just the way it looked. I liked the audio and the video.

SPEAKER_03 52:31

Telling a killer story to a kid.

SPEAKER_07 52:33

Yeah, but we like we knew it, we knew it was part of the shtick, you know, of the movie. Um, I think it, you know, it it did like it had that like feeling a couple times through the movie where there's like that little bit of comedy. You know, I actually my favorite scene um was like that little bit of comedy that I think they could have played it more, and that's where Shannon Elizabeth was like trying to like set the mood for sexy time, and then she like takes a break to go take a bath and indulge in some self-care. Um, I think it was like kind of drawn out. It seemed like it took forever. I think it should have been drawn out way more. She should have been like doing her nails, maybe her eyebrows, maybe wearing like a face mask.

SPEAKER_05 53:04

Such a Shannon Elizabeth thing to do, truly.

SPEAKER_07 53:07

And it should have seemed like it took like three hours, you know, while he's down there like trying to figure out like how to pour some wine into a glass and get some ice or whatever he was doing. But I don't know. I I appreciated that. Um, but I I kind of like a couple things visually, and it's specifically, I guess, some dead bodies, but um the death of Jack Frost, both human and snowman, the gruesome bodies that they had for him in both cases, I think were actually like a pretty good parts of the gore of the film. Um, and then of course, you know, Old Man Snapneck was also a pretty solid prop, a very 90s, very much appreciated. A lot of the other like kills and gore that they had, not as good to look at, but those kind of felt in their place in 1997 to me. I don't know. I I liked them.

SPEAKER_05 53:52

Old Man Snapneck, talk about your brittle bones.

SPEAKER_07 53:55

Man, Alexis Musta just walked past him.

SPEAKER_05 53:57

Oh, you're funny. I'm surprised Paris didn't mention my favorite visual, which was definitely um Jack Frost's eyebrows.

SPEAKER_03 54:06

Oh my gosh. Jesus, the angriest.

SPEAKER_05 54:10

They were like so angry. He just stood there and I was like, it's just so funny looking at the eyebrows. I was like, whoever thought of these is like a genius. Never trust a snowman with naturally angry eyebrows.

SPEAKER_03 54:20

If ever there was a snowman in anywhere that any of my vicinity that had angry brows, I'd be like, no, no, no, no, no. Something's wrong here. 2021, year of the eyebrows.

SPEAKER_01 54:31

They definitely had a lot of personality. Um, Alexis, yeah, that actually didn't make my list, believe it or not. Uh, but one thing I think we're kind of overlooking, and maybe Chris, this is something that you noticed as well. Um, but I loved all of the shots where we were basically getting the POV of a puddle on the ground. So you're kind of looking directly up at the characters through like rippling water. They did that a couple times, and I that's a shot I haven't really seen before. And I was like, that's very creative use of like really simple tools to achieve something uh interesting.

SPEAKER_04 55:03

Another one of those moments that is really cool to look at. Better to have the movie on mute, though.

SPEAKER_06 55:10

Yeah, so true.

SPEAKER_04 55:11

Because the dialogue that happens during those conversations are some of the worst. Like it was one where Stone and Manage are looking at the puddle, and then Sand Tyler comes by, he's like, Oh, what's going on here? And it's just the back and forth between them, and Stone's explaining something because he's a scientist, and Manager's like, English, Stone, English. It's like, you fucking know what you got into, man. You have to be of a certain caliber to like be working on this situation. Put two and two together. It's not that complicated.

SPEAKER_07 55:38

They should have gone further with that. That would have been funnier. If he had said something completely simple and mundane, and he responded, you know, English. You know, if if he said something like, He's ice and we need to use heat, and he was just like, English, man, I'm not a scientist. I think I would have appreciated that more.

SPEAKER_01 55:54

Speaking of ice and heat, there was also a lot of like, you know, snowman materializing out of water in this movie, and they never really showed it except in one shot where they showed these two little piles of snow melting, but they played it in reverse, so it looked like the water became snow. And I was like, oh, that was very clever. I felt like that was something I wanted to see more of.

SPEAKER_03 56:18

I'll give you that one, Paris. You're not wrong there. That one was interesting. I think like not seeing Jack Frost do anything for so much of the movie, like like at the end, he starts to get more like talkative and stuff like that, but most of it is all just like the cameras looking at something else while you hear him moving and stuff, and it just drive me nuts. Drove me insane, you know.

SPEAKER_07 56:39

I wish they had had the budget for claymation, some kind of you know, stop motion.

SPEAKER_03 56:43

Yeah, or the time.

SPEAKER_04 56:45

But you know, he was graduating film school, so one of the things that I think is hilarious is the director of this film later went on to go do another psychological slasher film.

SPEAKER_01 56:55

Is it called Monster?

SPEAKER_04 56:56

It's not, it's not now. But he did say that this movie was essentially made for the same amount of money that that was the other movie's catering budget. Wow, yeah, that's how low budget it is.

SPEAKER_07 57:07

That that hurts. That's like when you, you know, if somebody were to find out that they went on a date and that entire date cost as much as like I don't know, someone else's like 10 date streak. You know, it's like we went to a place and we got the best food and the best wine, and then you find out that like you went on like 10 dates with that person to Taco Bell.

SPEAKER_04 57:26

Ooh, yeah. I will say though that keeping in mind the movie's budgetary constraints, the opening credits was, I think, you know, one of the best parts of this movie, both in terms of its totally absurd approach to telling a kid a bedtime story and its creative use of you know a Christmas tree and ornaments to to set the names. But I think another element to this, it's simultaneously the best and worst part of the movie is its dialogue. There are so many little nuggets, right? Like there's a point where the sheriff is at the end before he tackles Jack Frost into that window, and before he gets stabbed with the icicle, he's knocking on doors, and you see you can read in the captions that someone's like, Oh shit, it's my husband. Hurry, get in the closet, get in the closet. It's like little moments like that where it's like just people in the periphery, not even on screen, saying hilarious shit that shows it has potential, but then there's some other moments that they chose to give main characters on screen. It's just weak dialogue.

SPEAKER_03 58:28

So yeah, I agree with you. I've I've kind of already said that um my favorite part was Marla. I do like those little tidbits that we got. I do think those were the funnier parts. Um, something like small and dumb that tickled me once we got all the way towards the end was like Paul giving everybody a 20% discount for any reason and like literally handing people stuff, like remember, this is 20% off. And at first I was just like, uh, but then as it just kept going, it was one of those little little charms, you know, little Midwest Colorado charms.

SPEAKER_05 58:59

I think even though I wanted more of it, I still appreciated the humor in it. I just wish there was more. I don't know. My favorite line though is you have a character that's like, what are you? And he's like, the world's most pissed off snow cone. Oh, that's like a British take on it. It was like some weird voice. His voice was ridiculous. Yeah, although, like, yeah, like I mentioned, to me, might not I appreciated the humor. I just wish there was more in it. But I did like that line, and you know, I thought it was funny. I don't know what's more funnier than seeing like a snowman, like you have Pullman coming up, and there's a freaking snowman holding the stop sign. Like I and the it's the eyebrows, I'm pretty sure, but I was like, I just find this very humorous, like just him being just standing there in the middle of the road and no one thinking that this this is kind of odd. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 59:51

Yeah, I I think if you want some great snowman one-liners, you can watch another movie that came out in 1997 called Batman and Robin. And basically, Mr. Freeze just does nothing but punny one-liners the entire time.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:03

That's entirely accurate.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:04

Mac, that's my favorite Batman movie.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:07

My favorite part of this, it's a weird one, but it's it's the most tried and true part of this film, and it's just like the story. A scorned serial killer comes back to exact vengeance on the law enforcement officer who apprehended him. It's such a 90s thing to do. It's tried and true, it works, it makes like 20 films a year, and you know, I feel like it works even for this silly comedy horror.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:29

But it doesn't. He doesn't even get to killing him. He kills off this one family for no freaking reason.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:35

But that's how it they never get to kill him.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:37

Jokes on him, the man ingested Annie Freeze. It's a matter of days.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:42

That's true.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:44

Do you ever wonder why they moved criminals in the 90s so much? Because every 90s movie is like, oh, we're gonna move this guy from here to here. He's super dangerous. And it's like, maybe you should just keep him somewhere. Right.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:57

Seems like a guy shouldn't move people. You know what I didn't understand was how um Jack Frost is killing the Metzner family one by one. Like, that's the whole to me, that was most of the plot of the story. But yet, if you're exacting vengeance on someone, wouldn't you go after the person that put you in jail who you said, I'm gonna come back and get you?

SPEAKER_04 1:01:18

For sure. He tried, but the Metzner family is obnoxious and keeps being places they don't need to be.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:24

True. But guess what? You can write the story where you actually don't kill that family and you kill the ones that you're trying to like who you said you would kill before you died.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:33

But then we'd have what, three deaths? Yeah. We need 11, Alexis. We need 11. We need to pad the body count because if he gets the Sam, the movie's over.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:41

Also, Jack Frost clearly loves Ryan, the son. He's he's a big fan of him, you know. He defended him, killed his bully for him. He's he's gotten in there. So now he's got to deal with like, do I kill the son? Do I kill the dad? I know. There's some character development there for Jack Frost. Jack Frost has deep decisions to make, man. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:01

Really, he looks at Ryan and sees himself.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:04

As we find out in the Michael uh Keaton sequel, he loves his son.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:09

Oh, so this is actually not his kid. Uh it's uh Jack Frost from number two's kid. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:17

Really, the 1998 sequel is just a lucid anti-freeze dream.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:21

Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I got it. Ryan is actually in on it with Jack Frost because he was trying to poison his dad with the anti-freeze. Oh, wow. It was all an accident. It was totally a ruse where the son is trying to kill the father with Jack Frost. Ryan was in on it. There you go, Jack Frost 3. Ryan, you don't have copious amounts of anti-freeze, do you? No, no, no. Also, the amount of time it would take to fill a truck bed.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:45

He opened one up. He was pouring and pouring and pouring. You turned around, he had like 40 bottles open somehow. Yeah. That was actually it's it was kind of a funny part because you could tell it's like who cares? That kind of a moment. It's like, who cares? He's going upstairs. Let's just fill the truck up because we know that's what we need to do. It doesn't need to make sense. You know, for this movie at least. It never made sense.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:04

Nothing. Literally none of it.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:06

You know what also didn't make sense is like the people, the human beings in this film. Such bad lines most of the time, 98% of the time, 2% of the time, some funny ones. Such crazy overacting, underacting, especially when it, you know, deals with like, oh, a child has died and the town is just moving on, whatever. Uh it was kind of all over the place. But as you mentioned, Marla, however, was perfect and delivered gold constantly throughout the film.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:28

I honestly expected to really like Marla. I feel like I was supposed to, but she didn't really do it for me. And it might be the fact that she had that little curly haircut. For some reason, anytime a character is supposed to be like spunky and like kind of, you know, like girl boss vibes, if they have that haircut, it just can't negate the whole thing.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:48

I think it's because you miss the coffee scene. I'm not gonna lie. If anybody's listening to this, the coffee scene is at exactly one hour of runtime. You don't even have to watch the movie. It's free on Amazon right now. Just go watch the coffee scene. It's so good.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:01

I will say though, like I I did notice that she pours coffee for most of the movie. Almost every scene she's in, she's pouring coffee. Or drinking coffee.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:09

I mean, what else is your job? What is she is she a secretary in the sheriff's office?

SPEAKER_01 1:04:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:14

Someone died. Sad face.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:15

You can also tell at one point that like she was supposed to go home an hour ago, but she's just like sticking around to watch the shit show. Yeah. Because she's full of spunk.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:22

Can't you tell by her haircut?

SPEAKER_01 1:04:24

Speaking of full of spunk, I thought that Shannon Elizabeth's performance as Jill was chilling. Um, she finds out her brother is dead and really feels almost nothing about it despite saying that she's really upset about it. Uh, then her parents are both killed, and she decides to just hide behind a pine tree and then break into the sheriff's house and have sex with her boyfriend.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:46

Well, she doesn't realize the parents were killed.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:48

But the brother's dead, and she does not give a fuck.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:51

For sure. She's coping with her loss in the arms of another man. You know, some people do that. Uh, like, let me take you to Halloween 3 season of the witch. Very true. No, but uh, the decisions are are really weird. The Metzner family overall, I mean, Jake grabbing Shannon Elizabeth and basically uh saying she looks like a street walker, a lady of the night. For as rough as he was, he sure did talk about Jesus so many times in like two sentences. It was it was honestly a lot, it was very concentrated.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:22

Yeah, I think didn't his daughter say something like Jesus or Jesus Christ? Like that's all she said. She said, Jesus dad. Yeah, Jesus dad, and he blew up about taking the Lord's name in vain in his household. And there are some people who to them that's that's offensive to use that. And there are others who believe uttering those words is a form of uh of a prayer, actually. Um maybe not in the way that she used it. Like when you say god damn. Right. Well, not specifically that, but not quite the same. Yeah, he he seemed to kind of be just you couldn't nail him down as like being like a specific character, and everyone else was very much a two D caricature of a character.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:57

I totally agree with that.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:58

Yeah, I mean, I would I would.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:00

Say the same thing about him.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:01

The reality is for as many good brief moments as this movie has, the characters are not particularly among them. I honestly wouldn't even say Jack Frost is the funniest killer. I think he's better than the turkey, but that's about it.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:14

I do like, however, that the agent had a trunk full of guns. And I also like the fact that he wasn't an FBI agent. I don't know if you remember that part where the sheriff asks, like, you know, FBI, and he goes, sure. Like, so who does he work for then?

SPEAKER_03 1:06:28

It was all the corniest story. Bert Macklin. FBI.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:32

Yeah. That's he, I wish we could go back and tell them to name him Bert Macklin.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:37

They were like, should we have a backstory? Or we just pretend like they're screw they're just creepy people that are pretending to be FBI agents. That's all.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:44

Let's just imply there's a backstory.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:46

We need a remake of this with Chris Pratt as bad manners. I do have one last struggle with manners, and that was that he thought it would be a good idea to shoot a puddle of water. And nothing happens to the ground. Like this movie is is ridiculous in all forms, right? And you can look past a lot of it. Your boy shot a puddle. Bullets are gonna ricochet to some extent. What are you thinking, man?

SPEAKER_01 1:07:08

I honestly thought that that was a special gun that had a magic chemical that was gonna react with whatever happened to Jack Frost. So it made sense to me.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:16

That's such a generous assumption. Look at you. The most positive intent.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:20

The most my disbelief was nowhere to be found.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:22

Yeah. Suspended, try non-existence.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:25

Expelled.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:26

I think what it really comes down to is despite its flaws, and considering its funny moments, considering the choices it makes, is this something you'd ever watch again? Not a chance on this planet. Nope.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:36

God no. Don't worry about watching this movie again because I wish I could unwatch it the first time.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:41

Ditto. I wonder though, if the second one has more don't wonder, because then that might be a little bit different.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:49

That's like saying I'm on a date with a guy who's constantly farting. I wonder if next time he'll be better.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:53

What's wrong with guys farting? Yeah, it's a no from me, dog, on both fronts.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:57

Nothing's wrong. Everyone has to, okay. But imagine the entire date. He's just like, yeah. And then I told her, and then I told her, and you're just like, I wonder if the second date will have more farts. I mean, you know, something different for everybody. But uh, if you go to a restaurant and they poison you, I'm not going back a second time.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:13

Mac, you are in a weird form today. I'd like to note that.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:16

Well, clearly this movie is a wash. So you know what? What do you say, Mac? We just spice things up for fact or fiction, and uh, you know, say to hell with Jack Frost.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:24

If you're looking for spicy, you're in the right place with me. So today you just signed up for snowman facts.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:32

Oh my god, it's because the movie is so useless that we couldn't even do fact or fiction about it.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:37

That would be correct. So, number one, the world's tallest snowman used trees for arms.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:43

Fact.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:43

There are small trees.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:45

I'm gonna say fact because small trees do exist.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:47

Interesting. I didn't even think about that until y'all said that. I was thinking like a huge ass tree. And I was like, what snowman could support the weight of like a sequoia? Whenever there's competitions, they cheat. They have like supports inside.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:58

Yeah, the tree is like the base of the snowman, too, I bet.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:01

Kind of like those cake competitions where it's like really not even cake, it's just wood and fondant. Yeah, it's true. I guess uh fact.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:08

Well, no, it is a fact. Oh, built in Maine in 2008. This behemoth used over 13 million pounds of snow and stood over 122 feet tall with real trees for arms.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:19

And then it was gone.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:20

I don't understand, however, though, how they got the world's tallest carrot attached as the nose.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:24

I hate you.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:25

I know. Number two, building a snowman is hard work and can help burn over 200 calories.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:31

Oh, totally believable. When I Yeah, yeah, it's definitely a fact. You like burn 200 calories existing.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:37

I believe this.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:38

Chewing up all day. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:40

It's a fact. So apparently spending an hour gathering, compacting, stacking, and sculpting your own jack frost lookalike burns like 238 calories.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:49

Not bad. I'm sorry, I just need to circle back. Everybody that's listening right now, Google world's tallest snowman because it's ridiculous. It's amazing.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:56

Number three, you think you're a snowman artist? Think again. Michelangelo himself built a snowman way back in the 15th century in Florence.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:04

Fiction. I will also go fiction based on nothing.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:07

I'm gonna say fact because it doesn't seem like it's that hard to come up with.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:11

It is a fact. So the 15th century art historian Giorgio Vasari described it as being the greatest snow sculpture in the world. Too bad he didn't live to see Tommy's bucksome creation in this film.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:23

Okay, circling back one more time, because I'm sure that piece of art uh would not have made the choice that the world's tallest snowman had, which was to have really fucking creepy eyelashes.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:34

Who with eyelashes on a snowman? She's killing it.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:37

Tires, tires for the mouth is really what gets used. There's um eyeliner for sure.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:42

She is a snow queen. Speaking of queens, number four, the oldest photo of a snowman is from You Guessed It, Maine, in 1896.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:50

Fact. Cameras existed then.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:52

Fiction. That sounds made up as shit. Sorry.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:54

Fiction.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:55

It is. Fiction. Try 1853. The Welsh apparently love snowmen too. And number five, the world's smallest snowman was only an eighth of an inch tall, made in Zurich in 2017, using what was effectively a 3D printer for snow.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:10

Fact. Feels good. Yeah. Feels about right.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:14

If one snowflake falls on another, is that the world's smallest snowman? I mean, technically. I guess fact.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:21

It's fiction. So it was actually 0.01 millimeters tall, made in the National Physical Laboratory in West London with gear used for working with nanoparticles. Please look it up. It's a thing of beauty and it's the tiniest thing possible.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:35

This is a ridiculous experience of looking up largest and tiniest snowman.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:41

Great job, Mac.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:42

Oh my gosh, it is cute. Yeah. And it looks like you've unsubscribed from Snowman Facts.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:47

Well, Mac, thank you for your diligent research. It's times like these when watching a movie like this. And even when watching a movie as good as the Universal Slash Crawl when we got Gator Facts from Mac.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:00

You're welcome, everyone.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:01

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