SPEAKER_06 0:04

It's like cave drawings, but for lonely people.

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Greetings and salutations, and welcome to Hacker Slunge. If you're joining us again, good to have you. You know the devil never dies, keeps coming back. If this is your first time listening, welcome to the party. We are a horror movie review podcast dedicated to telling you whether a movie is a hack, a total joke, a waste of time, or a slash.

SPEAKER_00 0:28

Totally killer, fun intended.

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We believe horror is for everyone, and as such, we're rating these movies with the perspective we've all gained from our varying walks of life and the flavors of fear we fancy most. My name is Chris, I'm your friendly neighborhood slasher enthusiast. This week I'm joined by the Superfly Space Guy Mac. Ola, Jajo's, the Gore Lover Alexis, hey everyone, the cowardly creeper Ryan, hiya, and the Scream Queen Paris.

SPEAKER_02 0:52

These are godless times, Mrs. Snow.

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This week we're looking back on the first ever instance of Stephen King's work being adapted to film and comparing it to a more modern remake. Before we get down to business, though, we have some follow-up.

SPEAKER_02 1:05

We recently reviewed the 1991 classic, The People Under the Stairs. And, you know, it did fairly well amongst our team. It feels like a movie that's pretty well regarded, I'd say.

SPEAKER_06 1:16

It's funny, I saw a lot of people saying that they think this the good ratings all come from nostalgia. You saw one person say that.

SPEAKER_05 1:23

You're right. I saw one, but I contributed it to the whole.

SPEAKER_02 1:27

Well, we wanted to find out what our listeners thought, and only 18% had the nerve to hack it. And the other 82% gave it a slash. So if it is nostalgia, the nostalgia is potent. We have a comment on Instagram from Jordan who said, Wow, I just posted on my account yesterday about how underrated this movie is. It's honestly a top movie for me. Wes Craven is an amazing director. I like the points you guys made about the movie, but this one's a solid slash for me. I grew up in a lower class family, so any movie centered on taking down the corrupted rich has always resonated with me. Roach as a character was my favorite. He couldn't talk, but you knew exactly what he wanted to say. Fool's actor did such a good job, but I saw a lot of what you guys were saying about this having fundamental flaws.

SPEAKER_03 2:05

Welcome to the family, Jordan.

SPEAKER_02 2:07

Yeah, he said that this movie slashes harder than Jason Voorhees at a summer camp. We also have a comment from Rob who said, This movie is beloved by a lot of people because of nostalgia. It's not a good movie. Hack.

SPEAKER_03 2:17

That's right. That's what I'm thinking about. You know what? Here's the thing. Rob, when we posted this episode for early access to Patreon, he's like, I have a feeling I'm not gonna be I'm not gonna have a popular opinion on this. I knew then that he would agree with the overwhelming majority of the people on the cast.

SPEAKER_02 2:33

Yeah, Rob and I don't agree very often, but when we do, it feels good. We have another comment from Tony on Twitter who said, This is definitely a hidden gem. I loved it. Once again, this is one of those movies that these crazy lockdowns had me discovering as I expanded my Scream Factory Collector's editions. I just can't wait until we run free at the end of the pandemic, similar to that climactic ending.

SPEAKER_06 2:51

Oh, that's a vibe, if only.

SPEAKER_02 2:52

I know. I hope it includes the money raining from this guy.

SPEAKER_06 2:55

God, yes.

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And we have a comment from one of our patrons, Daniel, who said, I love this movie. Gonna watch it tonight now. Also, the episode of Goosebumps Paris is talking about is called Stay Out of the Basement, and it's a classic. Daniel, thank you for making me feel seen. Unlike that episode of Goosebumps, apparently. Finally, we wanted to take a moment to thank one of our newest patrons, Darren. Darren, if you are listening to this episode, thank you so much for your support. Uh, if you want to reach out to us, give us a call on the hackerslash hotline or reach out to us on social media. And that is our follow-up.

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Well, in the People Under the Stairs, we saw one zany, extremely religious mother figure, so this week we're taking that theme just a little bit further. At the young age of twenty-six, Stephen King wrote a manuscript while working for a dollar sixty an hour at an industrial laundry. That manuscript would change the course of his life. While initially hesitant to share this particular piece of work, the popularity of horror films like Rosemary's Baby and The Exorcist made the genre a point of interest, and his novel an incredible success. So much of a success, in fact, that it eventually led to a $2,500 payday for the rights to adapt the story to film. That investment, and a little more than $1.7 million additional dollars, resulted in a Brian De Palma-led 1976 film that introduced an iconic horror entry, earned multiple Academy Award nominations, and grossed more than $33 million in the US alone. Nearly 40 years later, Kimberly Pierce brought to life her own vision of the classic novel, albeit one that suffered from massive studio intervention. While intending for her film to be a more faithful adaptation of the novel, studio executives forced the removal of more than forty minutes of footage and reshoots to make it more aligned with the original film. Nevertheless, in 2013, audiences were ultimately introduced to a darker, R-rated look at the mother-daughter dynamics of King's original novel. A novel which follows the story of a young girl, her telekinetic powers, and the torment she endures from her mother at home and her peers in high school. This week, we're talking about both versions of Carrie. Who's seen either of these before?

SPEAKER_05 4:54

I definitely had seen the original. I didn't know if this was an Abuela movie or like where I had seen this, but I knew I had seen it when I was younger, so I texted my mom. My mom doesn't even know what time I was born, so I didn't think she'd probably know when I saw this movie. But can I tell you she knew I saw this when I was eight years old at my grandmother's house? Jeez. Isn't that crazy?

SPEAKER_02 5:12

I love that.

SPEAKER_05 5:13

She remembers what matters. I know, exactly. And that is what matters, is when I saw this movie. Because I have like so many memories behind this and seeing it multiple times that I was like, man, I knew I it was ingrained somehow, but I just didn't know how far back. So that was confirmed by my mom. But I hadn't seen the uh 2013 version, actually, surprisingly.

SPEAKER_02 5:33

So I was certain that I'd seen every version of this movie there is. Um, but when I was watching the 1976 original, I realized that I had actually only ever seen the made-for-tV version, um, which, if I remember correctly, was still a solid entry. But I also definitely saw the 2013 version in theaters when it came out.

SPEAKER_06 5:51

Oh.

SPEAKER_02 5:52

Because Chloe Grace Moretz and Julianne Moore.

SPEAKER_06 5:54

Interesting. Well, you guys know me. You know I didn't see either of these movies. I know that Carrie exists, and that's it. I hadn't even been like I hadn't even been like adjacent to any of these movies.

SPEAKER_00 6:06

I've definitely seen these dirty pillows before.

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Oh mech.

SPEAKER_06 6:10

Why?

SPEAKER_00 6:11

I I've seen the 76, but this was my first time watching the 2013. I've actually never seen any sequels or remakes of Carrie until this.

SPEAKER_05 6:20

How many times had you seen the original? Because I feel like you rub me as someone who's seen it like multiple times.

SPEAKER_00 6:25

I don't know the number of times that I've seen the original, but speaking of Dirty Pillows, that is like a phrase that was, you know, burned into my mind from having seen this. And it's one of those like references you make in general conversation. Let's say that somebody else goes, What on earth are you talking about? Because they've never seen the movie, and you're like, How do you not know what I'm talking about? It's from Carrie. Come on. So I've seen it enough times to like know what happens in the story, to remember it pretty well, and of course to remember phrases from it.

SPEAKER_03 6:52

Yeah, I had seen the original many times in life growing up, but always just like on TV passively. It wasn't something that I watched with active attention and remembered it and had it seared into my memory. If you've watched Carrie, you watch the prom scene, right? Like that is one of the most iconic elements of this movie. But I do have a distinct memory of trying to watch the 2013 version. And that was when I was like winding down uh my time aboard the ship, and we got the high eight tape in, and I kept working into the lineup and kept fitting my schedule around wanting to watch it because Chlory Grace Moretz. And yet somehow it just never worked out. I've always seen little pieces of it. I've seen the opening scene, I've seen the climax, I've seen a little bit into the prom scene, but this felt really just like a fresh watch for both of them, despite how many times I've seen the original. Now, given that, I don't remember feeling any kind of way about the original, right? Like I know it's historical prominence, but so I fully expected the 2013 version to be watered down and just overall not as good or memorable. But what were you folks expecting?

SPEAKER_06 7:58

Yeah, I expected a lot of like prom night energy, you know, as far as the remake goes, like uh water down is the perfect way to describe it, just a meh version. And I really don't I I guess it m maybe I'm dumb here, but I didn't really know, you know, the concept of Carrie. You know, I figure it's based around a person who has some talents, and her name's probably Carrie. Yeah, that's pretty much all I had going in. Uh, but definitely for the remake, I was expecting like, you know, too much water in the Kool-Aid, that kind of that kind of thing, you know. When you're like, what is this? What am I drinking? Is this even a drink? Not enough sugar. Yeah, not enough sugar. I mean, there's a lot of red.

SPEAKER_05 8:36

So uh I got that's right. Lots of Kool-Aid. Seeing the original, the expectations I had for the 2013 version, I obviously thought it would be gorier, but I also thought I would get this um typical 2000s, late 2000s, early 2000s kind of like stereotypical teenager movie, you know, the ones that we have, like Urban Legend and Scream and all that sort of stuff. So I thought I was gonna get that from that, and obviously the gore would be amped up a lot more than the original.

SPEAKER_02 9:03

So I remember seeing the Made for TV Carrie probably around the time it came out, so I was like 11 or 12, and I remember everything about it sticking in my mind so vividly that I was super excited when they when I found out they were remaking it in 2013, truly assuming that the movie that I had seen was the original Carrie. Um, and I remember when I went to the theaters, I was like, oh my god, Julianne Moore, Chloe Grace Moratz, this is gonna be iconic, this is gonna be amazing. It's rated R, so there's gonna be a ton more gore. And watching the 1976 version, I did not expect it to be as satisfying because I was like, oh, this movie's even older than what I thought was the original, and you know me in the 1970s, we very seldom line up. Um so I didn't have very high hopes for it, to be honest.

SPEAKER_00 9:46

Well, going into the 76, I was expecting the experience I had already had, which was just classic carry, I am woman, hear me roar. And going into the 2013 uh X-Men Dark Phoenix, I was expecting the magic of CGI. I don't know if anyone's familiar with X-Men, but uh Yes, of course.

SPEAKER_03 10:04

Yeah, the joke.

SPEAKER_00 10:05

Okay, good. You know, dad vibes. I gotta explain everything.

SPEAKER_03 10:08

You know, for all the expectations I had, I don't know that my expectations could have been further from the reality of how I felt watching both of these movies. Obviously, the original is super iconic. Uh, its cinematography is pretty stunning. It's made by Pri Brian De Palma. This movie landed Sissy Spacek an Academy Award for her role as Carrie. So I saw things and and I watched them and I and I have I was hit with senses of like familiarity. Like, okay, yeah, I've been here before. But I think a lot of things were lost on me watching this as a kid because I didn't care when I was a kid. But the opening scene felt weird. A lot of things in this movie felt weird, but then a lot of things felt really, really good. But then the remake, I just felt like kind of like the uh 2003 Texas Chainsaw Massacre, I felt like it was just like a solid pound per pound rehash of the original story, uh, which was really surprising to me.

SPEAKER_06 11:05

Something that's interesting is that you remember not feeling much of these things when you were little watching this or younger. I remember feeling nothing of this when I just watched it. I felt so little during the original movie here. It was almost like I wasn't watching a movie, honestly. It's one of those things I think watching it in 2021, it's just such a different thing. I honestly shouldn't even be allowed to review this movie because of what happens when you're watching it looking back from where we are now. I feel like.

SPEAKER_03 11:38

Yeah. Well, I mean, the movie's dated. Even Stephen King, who liked it, says it's dated.

SPEAKER_06 11:43

Super dated. And then for the remake, I I honestly have to agree. I was like throughout this movie impressed by how good I felt about this remake that's in the mid-2000s, uh, you know, two 2010s.

SPEAKER_05 11:56

Interesting enough, yes, I see where you guys see where it could be dated. And but honestly, even in the remake, I thought they took elements that were even dated in the original and still brought it in. And maybe I'm just naive on some parts, and I know we'll tell probably talk about this in the spoiler section, but I was just like, uh it's still this is still a thing. It wasn't a thing back then, and it isn't a thing now. But I think I agree with I think I agree with that idea. Yeah, and I mean maybe just because I have a lot of different experiences than some other people, or like maybe I have an experience of maybe the majority of people. I have no idea. But like some of the things and themes, I was like, I'm very interested in this because I just don't understand where it's coming from, and I can't really relate. And to me, it does it's not grounded in the present necessarily.

SPEAKER_02 12:41

I am somebody who moved around a lot when I was in school, and as a result, I was oftentimes the new kid in probably a dozen schools, and a lot of times I had no friends. Um, sometimes I was pretty badly bullied because I was the new kid, no friends, and gay, very, very gay as a child. Um so I feel like this movie really captured that feeling of feeling so alone when you're surrounded by people that you shouldn't feel alone around. So I just felt like seen a little bit just by like this telling of a story that we don't necessarily see that often. And in the remake, I definitely felt like honestly, I felt like they were trying to do a little too much to align with the the first one. It felt like they're now that Chris has mentioned the studio interference, I'm really curious to see uh more about that, but it felt like they were kind of going out of their way to recreate the original in some aspects. But I do feel like the the way that they updated it and sort of made like technology and other modern developments uh part of Carrie's isolation. I feel like that was actually pretty well done in the remake.

SPEAKER_00 13:44

I had kind of a different experience with these films from some of you. So the 76, the movie just kind of kept my interest, and the characters I think seemed real. They seemed I don't know about lived in, but they seemed like like they were real people. And oddly enough, the carnage wasn't kind of like I remembered it to be. It it didn't seem as crazy as I had in my mind. But the 2013, kind of like you mentioned, I don't know, it just seems like it's a stage play, and this is another cast doing a rendition, and so it seems more like actors are acting and they're acting out some lines that weren't even changed from the original.

SPEAKER_03 14:20

Well, I think that's one of the things that's surprising when I look at like the original, right? It surprised me how much goofier it was than I could have ever possibly remembered. Like there are definitely moments where it feels like obviously someone did this and obviously it's on purpose, but also this whole thing doesn't really feel like a comedy, so what the hell? But then looking at like the remake, you know, Paris, you said it feels like they went out of their way to recreate it. And yeah, the studio interference, like they saw, okay, this movie was highly profitable, why don't we just keep doing that? It's a proven success. Don't deviate too far from the beaten path. But it's still an adaptation of a novel. So it's one thing I think to compare a remake to its original when it's an original screenplay, but for this to be a source novel, I feel like yeah, the lines of dialogue don't change, but the performances we get felt so much more convincing in so many different ways, particularly Julianne Moore and Chloe Grace Moretz. I totally agree with that.

SPEAKER_02 15:15

Interesting.

SPEAKER_03 15:16

And that's no shade on Sissy SpaceX. Like none at all. She was great as Carrie. Oh. I'm throwing shade. But uh everyone else would left much to be desired.

SPEAKER_05 15:25

Interesting you say that because in the remake, I felt like one of the surprises or essentially, maybe like disappointments for me, was that the characters felt like they were flat, in my opinion. Um, especially some of the characters' intentions, um, maybe not necessarily carries in in the remake, but just all the other ones, like it seemed like it was just forced. And I think because it it's putting into this where you have all these like teenager movies, and I'm just like, is this not another teen movie? It what what like what is this? Like, I don't know. There's one character that like really gave that energy.

SPEAKER_06 15:59

We're just like, Okay, we get it.

SPEAKER_05 16:01

Yeah, and then there were intentions from different that didn't follow the intentions from the original character.

SPEAKER_04 16:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 16:07

Um, so then I was like a little bit confused. Um, so it's because essentially it gave off a different vibe for the entire movie for me. Um, the remake did. But you know, I was really surprised. I've totally forgot John Travolta was in the original. Oh my gosh. Does he ever play a different character?

SPEAKER_03 16:22

Ever. It's his first crack at Danny Zuka.

SPEAKER_00 16:25

He's still in beta.

SPEAKER_03 16:26

There you go. There you go. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 16:28

I'm with you, Alexis. I was actually surprised by how fantastic Sissy SpaceX was as Carrie. Uh also, what's her accent in the film? That's what I want to know. Homeschooled. Because it kind of shifts a little bit.

SPEAKER_05 16:39

West Virginia. Coal Miner's daughter. Doesn't everyone know she was in it?

SPEAKER_00 16:43

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_05 16:43

That was my first Sissy SpaceX movie.

SPEAKER_00 16:45

Nice. Well, the 2013, I'm also with you there because it feels like things were miscast to me. And Chloe Grace Moretz, huge fan. Um, but here it just didn't seem like it was like aligned. It didn't seem like the perfect match when I was watching it. And I feel like Sissy SpaceX, maybe it's because it's obviously the first rendition. And I watched them back to back again because I'm like, all right, I'm gonna watch the 76 again. Let me go ahead and just throw the other one on literally after like eating food between the middle. And so I got to compare them directly, and it just it didn't have the same like fit to it, didn't click the same for me. But that's that's probably my own brain's fault. I don't know if the if that's anything to do with the actual actors.

SPEAKER_03 17:27

Yeah, I cannot wait to unpack that when we talk about characters later because I got some got some thoughts there.

SPEAKER_02 17:32

Um, I was very surprised that the 1976 version held up as well as it did, particularly for a lot of the visual elements. I know Chris, you were talking about the cinematography. A lot of those shots, I was like, oh wow, they really did this. And I was also surprised that Sissy Spacich was such a good carry. I don't know why I was surprised by this. She's sort of known for being very good in that role. And in the remake, I, like a few others, was also disappointed with Chloe Grace Moretz's carry. Uh that was my main takeaway when I was re-watching the 2013 version. I was like, okay, I remember like three specific things that I really did not like about the performance. And those three things still remained during this time watching it. But I was comparing the two and I had a really obscure thought, so just stick with me. In the 90s, Judy Greer was in Jawbreaker, and she plays a character named Fern Mayo, who is giving you very much Sissy Spacich as Carrie energy. So then to see her come full circle and be the gym teacher in Carrie was very interesting to me, and I was like, oh, I got tickled by that. So that was a surprise.

SPEAKER_00 18:34

Of course, what was not surprising to me is how I didn't find either of these movies scary. They, for some reason in my mind, are kind of light on the horror. And I know they're they're horror films, but I I do feel like they are not necessarily entry-level. This wouldn't be like the first one I would throw at somebody, but when they were ready for an iconic piece of horror that like didn't melt their brain too much, I'd be like, okay, now you have to watch Carrie.

SPEAKER_06 19:00

I'd go as far as to say that the 1976 version of Carrie is not a horror movie. It's like, I don't know, because there's some blood involved, maybe we could consider it horror, but really, uh, in my opinion, not horror. And the new one isn't scary either.

SPEAKER_00 19:16

It kind of falls in line with my my bag. It's it's more sci-fi to me.

SPEAKER_05 19:20

Yeah, I I would agree. Yeah, I definitely think some of the themes are scary. I don't know, the the mom is pretty scary in uh OG version, but pretty terrifying in my opinion. But it's weird because I I this movie scared me when I was younger as a kid, watching this at eight years old. But I don't find either of these scary, and you're right, I I I see the horror that it is, but I I know it locks the gore in essentially both of them, but we'll talk about that. But not scary at all.

SPEAKER_03 19:50

Yeah, see, I mean, here's the thing, right? It's it's horror, yeah, but it's also more about the horror of other people. And this is kind of like going back to it, right? Stephen King in his work, and when he like writes in the town like Derry Maine, you know, that's a place where people are just the worst kind of people, uh largely, and that's just what this feels like more of, right? And this is like really the first instance of it. I see the story of Carrie as more of a tragedy than anything.

SPEAKER_04 20:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:20

But I I I don't pull it I don't go that far as to pull it out of the horror category. I I think the horror though is in relationships and how people are treated, but even then, nothing about this scares me.

SPEAKER_02 20:32

Yeah, I feel like everybody really nailed it. I too wouldn't really go as far as to pull the original out of the horror category, especially when it comes to like our final scenes. Yeah, I definitely wanted more gore and more horror, but I think just like Chris said, it's really about the psychological horror of how people can behave with one another and how like deeply dark-sided that is.

SPEAKER_05 20:52

Yeah, and that's why I like Stephen King a lot. It's like a different, it's a it's a different take on scariness, you know, it's a different take on all of that. It makes you kind of like think a little bit more than you typically would. Hell is other people.

SPEAKER_00 21:03

Truly, the 76 has that Stephen King just essential vibe to it in my book. Like it it feels like this is Stephen King's like WTF kind of feeling that you kind of get distilled into all of his other works, um, where you have a little bit of sci-fi, have a little bit of horror, he like mixes it in, throws in some drama and some some interesting characters, and and and to me that makes it stand apart from other films. It's it does feel like original. We've seen telekinesis and other things, we've seen some of the themes in in other films. You could obviously like the 2013, you could you could go after because simply because the 76 exists, but the 76 film, I mean, you could watch that today and use it as a film about bullying and and or film about school violence. You could use it for all sorts of themes, and it just like I don't know, it it to me it stands alone.

SPEAKER_05 21:53

Yeah, I think there are some themes and elements that um make this familiar, but I I don't know when I saw this and even seeing it now. It it s still is original to me. I like what the remake did and I think it sets itself apart from the original, but um I mean obviously it's essentially the same thing.

SPEAKER_03 22:12

I would go to say it's very different though. Like yes, the same sequence of events occurs. Yeah. Yes, there are more things from the novel that the remake pulls than the original did. Sure. It's all derived from the same source material. But the beauty of the remake for me is how original it is in its interpretation of those lines and that dialogue. Because the mother that we get in the remake is so vastly different from the mother that we get in the original. And even the approach to Carrie is super different. So I think this is an excellent example of two films who are doing the same thing, but in different ways. Yeah. So I felt satisfied by the approach of both.

SPEAKER_06 22:52

I was I was just gonna say very much the same thing. These two movies are the epitome of same, same, but different. It's such a different take, specifically to the mother and Carrie. It gives a completely different energy to this movie when you watch the remake. Uh I I don't know. I mean, I give them points for originality. There are definitely, I mean, there's things we've seen. They're, you know, those sci-fi elements that come into it. And of course, when you get to 2013, it feels very much well, actually, 70s and 2010s, very popular amongst like high school kids in movies. Um, so I mean, a lot of those things are familiar, but as I was watching both of these for the first time, they do feel original in specific ways.

SPEAKER_02 23:32

Yeah, watching the 1976 version made me feel like I was watching a blueprint of of of sorts. Uh, it feels like this is and I'm probably wrong about this, but it felt to me like this was probably one of the earliest uh depictions of like the experience of an outcast that's like solely focused on that experience and then took it to such a degree that it did. Um, I feel like if we were in the 70s and we saw this in theaters and had no idea like there were no trailers for it, we would have all left the theaters like, what the absolute fuck did we just watch? Um and that type of like what the fuck moment, like never before seen kind of story. Uh, I feel like lands this in the original category.

SPEAKER_06 24:13

You saying the first depiction of an outcast is just like like walking through a museum, and there's just like someone sitting in the corner huddled up, and you're like, oh my god, the first depiction of an outcast.

SPEAKER_02 24:25

It's the first nerd.

SPEAKER_06 24:27

That's this movie. It's it's it has a place in a museum. The first depiction.

SPEAKER_03 24:31

Yes. Perhaps I will link an article that goes through all the uh examples of depictions of outcasts and outsiders in film. It's like cave drawings, but for lonely people.

SPEAKER_02 24:40

None of which I've seen.

SPEAKER_03 24:42

Let's talk about, you know, Frankenstein's monster. But no, you're you're right. I think it it's it's a different take on that story in in a positive way. But ultimately, both of the endings here, right? It just left me with this feeling of being sad and not mad at it. I think I prefer the the ending of the remake a little bit more, but it just has this bit of closure that I don't want to like, I am satisfied by it.

SPEAKER_05 25:13

I totally agree. Um, it's really weird because you know, you remember like iconic scenes from this movie, especially one in particular, and for some reason, like I knew what happened in that scene, and I thought that was the ending. Um, but watching it again, um, I was like, oh wow, there's more to this. And it's crazy because I've seen it multiple times. It's been quite a number of years removed since I have seen it, but like I don't remember that. So it's still a nice, shocking sort of like ending for me. Um, both of them were since essentially they were similar, different feelings from for sure, but um essentially the same sequence of events that um I I thoroughly enjoyed.

SPEAKER_06 25:51

I actually kind of sh struggle with the endings here. I'm not, I'm like not sure if I love or hate them because there's a lot that happens and there's a lot of different components to the endings here. I don't I don't know. It's like um I guess it's one of those things kind of like you're saying, Chris, where it's like you don't you're not excited about it, but it's good.

SPEAKER_02 26:10

I for one am obsessed with the ending of every iteration of Carrie that I've seen. Um, it is so iconic for obvious reasons. Um that being said, with that baseline being established, uh I was surprised and a little disappointed by the way the ending um was depicted in the original, mostly due to the lack of a lot of gore that I was expecting, or at least more gore. And yet in some ways, I feel like the 2013 depiction of the ending was a little bit worse.

SPEAKER_00 26:41

That's it that's an interesting take, I I think, about better better or worse, because same, same but different. I gotta agree with Ryan on this, like they each had their own merits. I think the trouble I have with the ending is not the the climax that I think we're all thinking about. Because that's not truly the end of the film. I think that the trouble I have is at the final moments of the film, and and that's where I'm kind of a little bit let down, but like before the final moments, when we see the wrap-up of most of the characters, like it's very satisfying. Very satisfying. I think this is when you're watching a film, maybe it's about people driving, and then you realize the film ends in a horrible train wreck, and it's very interesting, like super awesome, just amazing, blowing the top of your head out kind of kind of uh climax there. But that the final moments were kind of weak to me.

SPEAKER_03 27:26

Well, despite how uh weak those final moments might be in both movies, they both ended differently than the novel did. So there's that, right? But let's go ahead and and move on to our ratings. I think we have a lot to unpack here in terms of where each stands and you know the the things that we're gonna have to discuss later in the episode. But before we get to the actual scores, Alexis, what's the body count for both films?

SPEAKER_05 27:50

We have a combined 86. Most of that is coming from the OG version in a certain scene where we get uh a lot of deaths, which uh account for 73 total. Wow, yeah, for uh seven 1976, and we have a total of 13 for 2013. Lucky number 13, guys. Go play bingo right now.

SPEAKER_06 28:12

That feels intentional. What about the animal report? Yeah, the animal report is a little interesting this week. It uh there are some things that happen. It's not dogs, but you know, if you're squeamish, you know, this might not be the one. There are some there's some fairly violent activities involving animals.

SPEAKER_03 28:32

There are indeed an and may I say that moment was fairly jarring in both films, but let's go ahead and get out into our ratings. Carrie, start with the original, 1976. Was it a hacker or a slash?

SPEAKER_05 28:44

The original for me is such a classic movie. Obviously, I saw it when I was eight years old. Um, so clearly it has some meaning behind it, and I think it has a lot of um nostalgia, like it does like the people under the stairs did for a lot of people. And I don't know, it's just like very iconic. And watching it again, I could appreciate it for a lot of its character development and just how good the acting is and how good the effects are. Like, I was like, oh wow, like I I feel like I'm watching this. I don't feel like I'm watching a movie, I feel like it's actually like happening. I have a lot to say, but like to be like very simplistic, I just think it's a classic and I like it and I love it, and I think it's worth a watch and multiple viewings, so I'm definitely giving this a slash. So I'm gonna balance that a little bit here.

SPEAKER_06 29:30

And I think a hundred percent of my feelings about this movie result from me watching it for the first time in 2021. I just feel like it's so outdated that because I have no connection to it from before, I can't make a connection to it now. Like it it feels like a lifetime movie to me. Fair enough. Fair enough. And I feel very harsh saying that because I respect the the classic ability of it, you know, the beauty of it all. I get it. For me, this movie is just not one that I enjoyed. And I think it's a lot to do with the characters and the people, and I'm supposed to feel things, but there's like this extreme Christianity depicted in this movie that just feels like so over the top that it's uh it's a parody of itself, honestly. And so it just takes me out of this movie and it turns me off. And then, you know, there's some other things that go on in it. Every step of the way, I was just like, yeah, it's not, it's one of those things. Well, again, not down my alley. So for me, the original is a hack, and I can respect your slash, but also it's just not my vibe.

SPEAKER_00 30:44

The original was my vibe, and like Alexis, I think it's a classic, and I think it's a horror icon, and I think everyone should see it, especially if you claim to like horror movies. Now, you may not like it, right? I don't think everyone's going to appreciate it the same way I do, but I think if you haven't seen this and you're a fan of our, like you just gotta do yourself a favor and throw it on right now, like before continuing, watch the movie.

SPEAKER_06 31:08

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 31:09

Uh this this is just how I feel. That's just how I feel about it. You know, it's like if you like sci-fi and you like horror, or maybe you like sci-fi horror, I think you should watch Alien. It's it's like that for this. So I I think if you like horror, do yourself a favor, watch Carrie. It's a major slash for me, and it just it stands alone. It feels kind of like Paris said earlier, like a blueprint.

SPEAKER_02 31:30

So I have already established that I am really a fan of the story here, but for the 1976 version, my expectations were very low. I was like, this is gonna be a lesser version of the story I love. Um, and I was very wrong. Watching this movie was so beautiful and enjoyable. The cinematography was just gorgeous from top to bottom. I wrote down so many different shots that I was like stunning, well done, so thoughtful. So I was really impressed by that element. I was also really impressed with the performance from Sissy Spacich. Um, the characters in this story in general are really great characters. I feel like any actor or actress getting cast in carry has a really great opportunity to flex their chops. Um and Ryan, kind of what you were saying, as somebody who has many times been sort of preached to from people coming from a religious place about why me being just who I am and naturally myself was wrong in the eyes of like a god that they believed in. Um, I feel like this movie is absolutely gay culture and it is iconic. There's literally nothing gay about this movie, but the story is a parallel to a lot of people's gay experience, including mine. Um, so this is absolutely a slash. It was a really surprising slash for me because I expected this just to not be as good as I thought it would be.

SPEAKER_03 32:42

This is an interesting one because this movie is well regarded for a lot of reasons. Sissy SpaceX gave an absolutely incredible performance, and I think it'd be really easy to look at her and be like, nope, that's the definitive carry. Like, I have no interest in viewing the Made of her TV movie because I don't know that I could believe for a second that that carry is better than Sissy SpaceX. The split diopter shots in this are absolutely stunning. Paris, like you said, visually, this movie is a delight. Uh, the use of color in this film and some of De Palma's techniques create images that are just straight legendary, and I think it's a lot of like what Creep Show wanted to do with its color. It gave me a lot of Suspiria energy, and it's also just an incredible story at its core, despite how tragic it is. And it's a good movie. But despite that, this film doesn't age well in my eyes, and it shocks me to think that you you guys do. I'm with Ryan on this, and I haven't seen it for the first time in 2021. I can understand why it was so incredible for its time, and you know, I have respect for it. I definitely don't hate this the way that I would like dislike the original Texas Chainsaw Massacre. This movie is totally different, right? But there are a number of issues I have that ultimately bring it down to a soft hack. The softest hack, right? Like largely due to the depiction of a girl's first period viewed through the male gaze. Don't need any of that trash, and that's what the movie starts with. So no thanks. I don't hate it by any means, but there's a lot of great work in this, and I do think people should watch it. It just doesn't do it for me. Thank you for not leaving me on this island by myself.

SPEAKER_02 34:15

I am gagged.

SPEAKER_03 34:16

Well, you shouldn't be that surprised because the second you saw all that nudity and you saw the eroticism with which they viewed minors and a girl having her first period, you should have known I was checked out. There you go. But on the other hand, the remake, just like that 2003 Texas Chainsaw Massacre remake, feels like a pound for pound better upgrade. Sure, Chloe Grace Moretz is not Sissy Spacek, but she was also a child when she made this film, so it made me so much more invested in Carrie. Carrie, in the 1976 original, never felt to me like a young girl going through this struggle in high school. She felt like a grown-ass woman who was being treated cruelly. In this one though, I felt the mother-daughter dynamic. I felt a different sort of like toxic, manipulative love between the two of them, which made me more invested in the story. And it made the story feel much more tragic. I felt like all the st all the characters were way more developed. I felt like the intentions of Sue and Tommy are much more clear in the in the remake. And for that, it's getting a slash. If I want to watch Carrie, this is the one I'm gonna watch.

SPEAKER_05 35:24

Yeah, Chris, I like agree. I think the intentions are a little bit more clear for Tommy and Sue, but I think because I've seen the original, I was confused. I was like, well, who which one's right and which one's wrong? So I have to like take a step back and sometimes and not view this as a comparison on which which one is better, but see this as a movie as a whole. And had I never seen the 1976 version, I would say this was an entertaining movie. Like I like those kind of, you know, high schoolers, but they are literally like 25-year-olds, you know? And you know, I like that kind of stuff. And I don't know, it's still just like I still could not get the idea of how much I like the original and just all the feelings I have behind it. But like, I thought it was okay. I think there are elements that were good about it, but not enough to like. I I mean, I saw it, I thought it was good. I don't know if I'd ever need to watch it again. I thought it was okay. So it's gonna get a soft slash. Yeah. I I had to think about it because I was like hacker slash, I'm still in the middle between the two. She said the thing, she said the thing, she said the thing. I said our podcast name.

SPEAKER_02 36:39

So, as somebody who really actually loved the Made for TV version of this movie, Chris, I do implore you to give it a watch. I think the carry performance in that is actually very solid. Um, but I don't think the carry performance in this is very good at all. And this was so upsetting to me because I fell in love with Chloe Grace Moretz when I saw her in Kick Ass. I was like, this girl is a star on the rise. Anything she does, I'll watch. And that's still true to this day. But I was so disappointed with the way she did carry. Um, she felt almost too pretty and too cool to be a convincing outcast or nerd. It's like we get it, her ears kind of stick out and they put her in like some really gross hair, but yeah, she wasn't selling it to me in a way, and it felt like she was doing too much to f to seem like somebody who's like uncomfortable in their own skin.

SPEAKER_03 37:24

So just to be clear, if someone is attractive, they cannot be lonely or an outcast.

SPEAKER_02 37:29

No, just look at me. Of course that's not true.

SPEAKER_03 37:32

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_02 37:33

But I will say that this movie really made up for the Carrie performance for me with Julianne Moore's performance of the mom. This, at the end of the day, for me, is a vehicle for Julianne Moore's incredible talents. Um, she was giving you like full prestige actress in this from top to bottom. Everything about her was just that's the thing I remembered most about this movie. I think visually, in a lot of ways, it's a little bit weaker for me than the original, which I which surprised me, but I did really love the elevated elements of gore. Um, so at the end of the day, there's really nothing I wouldn't have given when I was young and closeted to have psychic powers that I could use to kill my bullies. Uh so this is still getting a slash. And I think Carrie is probably gonna remain in the top ten of my favorite horror movies of all time. Really any version of Carrie fits in that spot.

SPEAKER_00 38:20

So I'm looking online right now, and I see that you can buy a uh copy of the novel for like six bucks, and I think that that would be worth it overpaying to rent um to watch the 2013 movie. Oh wow. If we want to get closer to the novel, just read the novel because I think we've already seen a film adaptation, and having watched both of them back to back, I think the 76 is all you need, and I don't think you need the 2013. And it's not to say it's a bad film, it just feels a bit unnecessary because it's so darn close to the original, and I know they changed some stuff, obviously, and that's good, but I don't know if the value added works for me, and I I think it's a hack simply because I just don't think it's necessary.

SPEAKER_06 39:04

Man. Very efficient of you, I guess. I'm gonna bring us back full circle and and go back to what Chris started with here. I feel like this remake is everything you needed and none of the stuff you didn't need from the original. I feel like if you want to know the story and don't want to read the book and want to watch a movie about it, I think you should watch the 2013 version. I'm completely on a different page from Mac here. I feel like this is the one that made the right decisions. This is the one that changed things slightly. For me, the same as Chris, the winner in this is the relationship between the mother and Carrie here. It's completely different. The way they interact, it's so much more believable to me. And I won't say I'm like in love with Carrie, and I totally knew this would be Paris' bag a hundred percent. It's not mine, but I will say this remake is so much more enjoyable for me than the original version, and it gets a slash from me. And it's you know, it's like a you guys should watch this. It's not on my top ten, but you guys should watch this kind of slash. Not a bad slash.

SPEAKER_02 40:09

I truly sat down tonight thinking this was going to be universal slashes across the board.

SPEAKER_03 40:14

Yeah, now there are I think two major things, no, three major things from the original that had they not existed, the original would have easily been a slash. Even now it's a soft hack. Now, obviously, we've had some mixed results here in terms of how we are viewing each version of this, but we also have a bonus score in for each film from one of our patrons.

SPEAKER_01 40:36

Hey hackerslash team. Uh so for me, I love Carrie. Carrie is one of my favorite horror movie franchises. I've seen the original, I've seen the remake, I've seen the made-for TV movie, I've even seen the sequel, and I've read the book. So Carrie is my favorite story. When it comes to Hacker Slash for the original and the remake, I'm gonna have to say slash for both. The original is just unique in its own way with that 70s vibe and sissy spaces as Carrie was just incredible. Um, but with the remake, uh it added that, you know, 21st century feel as well with the cyberbullying and the mother was incredible in the remake. Yeah, I'm gonna give slash for both.

SPEAKER_02 41:26

This call comes from one of our patrons, Sal. And Sal, I'm so glad you called in. Um, because one, we are in agreement on these things first. Um, and two, I love that you mentioned the cyberbullying element of the remake because that's definitely a way they modernized it in a way that made sense to today's times.

SPEAKER_05 41:42

This does make me kind of want to read the book though. In Watch the Maid for TV uh movie for this too.

SPEAKER_06 41:48

Yeah, I feel like this is you're one of those people that is in love with this franchise, and I feel guilty when I when I hack a classic like this because I feel like, you know, now you're gonna hate me, you know? You should feel guilty. I am sorry. It it is of no offense.

SPEAKER_03 42:04

Yeah, I feel no guilt whatsoever. I feel like I've defended enough classics in my time, and uh this is for someone, this is for Sal, and it's not for me.

SPEAKER_06 42:12

Yeah, and I've hacked enough classics in my day that this one doesn't stand out.

SPEAKER_03 42:17

For now, the original 1976 Carrie has earned three slashes and two hacks, while its remake has just done slightly better, earning four slashes and one hack. Now, one of those slashes is soft, as is one of those hacks, but the facts are the facts. The remake has edged out so far, so check both of these movies out. You can find them streaming online and available to rent. And join us in the second half so we can really get down to business. See you in a bit.

SPEAKER_00 42:56

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SPEAKER_03 44:00

Hacks while its remake has earned four slashes and one hack. We have a lot to unpack here, but before we get into the specifics of our ratings, we have the matter of gore to attend to.

SPEAKER_05 44:10

Gore score definitely for a 76 version is low, if not non-existent. I think the most blood you see is in the iconic scene. Exactly. It's literally just one bucket. It's it's just a bucket. For the 2013, I mean, although there was more gore and there were some like brutal dust, you know, there's like a head going through a window and stuff like that. I still think it's a medium, in my opinion. Nothing was just like off the wall crazy or anything like that. So yeah, that is the gore score for both of them.

SPEAKER_02 44:38

I feel like we can't downplay the full-on crucifixion of the mom in the original. That was gory as hell. Maybe there wasn't as much blood as we would have liked, but that was brutal.

SPEAKER_03 44:48

It was like violent but not gory.

SPEAKER_02 44:50

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 44:51

I mean, the the wires attached to the knives really uh didn't do much for me.

SPEAKER_02 44:55

Oh, I didn't see them.

SPEAKER_05 44:56

Yeah, Chris, for that scene, those knives actually were started off in Margaret White's body, and then they were being pulled at the end by the strings. So what you see in the edited scene is actually the footage being played backwards.

SPEAKER_06 45:11

Ooh, interesting.

SPEAKER_05 45:12

We love a reverse effect, you know? Yeah, I practical effects are awesome. They really are. Very phantasm. With them having a crap ton of dust, especially in the first one, uh, you know, lots of death in that final scene in prom. Um, I'd like to know in the OG version, what was y'all's favorite death?

SPEAKER_00 45:30

That one's easy for me. It's Billy Nolan because that car explosion was so much better than the 2013. It was just like really quick and really satisfying. And seeing that grease ball blow up was amazing.

SPEAKER_06 45:41

I'm gonna note here, I have a very similar kill for both that I really enjoyed. And it is uh party goer. I don't know exactly who it is, and it's it's some like a decoration or something flies down and they go for like a half-body chop. It you know, it could easily get lost in the mess of kills during the prom scene, but we love a good mid-slice, you know, not a hot dog slice, but a hamburger slice. So that was my favorite kill.

SPEAKER_02 46:08

I loved the mom kill in the original. I don't remember it for some reason. So when it was happening, I was like, oh shit. I remember the mom stabbing Carrie, but I didn't remember like the full-on psychic knife onslaught that occurs, and then the parallel visually of the mom's crucifixion and the the placing of the knives matching the the Jesus that Carrie had in her little Harry Potter under the stairs nook was so like cinematic parallel beautiful to me that I was like, oh, this was very satisfying. And also, I mean, the way they did the music, so you have like a really strong use of piano through this scene in a way that almost creates a juxtaposition to like the extreme violence that you're seeing, and then you have like stark silence again as you see this like really brutal murdering of the mom, and right as she's killed, the piano cues back in in full force, and I was just like, oh, that it felt like a it felt like a cinematic masterpiece to behold. Strong use of piano, such strong use of piano, and apparently strong use of wire, industrial strength fishing wire there.

SPEAKER_03 47:13

So that entire scene where the mom meets her demise is a pretty solid one, but I think for my favorite kill, it's gonna be really silly. It's a mist Mr. Fromm and the Mike Stand and Lightboard uh electrocution. Amongst all the chaos that was going on in that prom scene, to actually see them get electrocuted. I don't know why it made me laugh a little bit. But I do also want to give a negative amount of points to both of those movies for the lamest kill being Tommy hit in the head with a fucking bucket. There's no way anyone could ever convince me that this pail is enough to kill someone from that height. It is empty, it's not even full.

SPEAKER_05 47:52

Yeah, it was very interesting that prom scene from the 76 version that like everyone died instantly. I was like, okay, I'm trying to keep count. Yeah. But did they die? Are they knocked out? Essentially they were counted as deaths, but still, I was like, this seems so interesting. In my head, Tommy lived every time. Like it didn't make sense. Except for the fire.

SPEAKER_00 48:12

Yeah, even if they weren't killed right away, they were they're dead.

SPEAKER_02 48:14

Yes, that. I thought Tommy was just knocked out cold and then didn't escape the rest of the mayhem as a result. I don't know if the bucket was the cause of death, was it?

SPEAKER_03 48:22

Apparently, because their eyes were open.

SPEAKER_02 48:24

Well, it's funny. It's funny either way to me, because it's so it's such a dud.

SPEAKER_06 48:28

Yeah, according to the coroner, actual cause of death, the bucket.

SPEAKER_05 48:32

Yeah, my the saddest death for me was um Miss Collins. Like, I don't know, it was just like I know she was rooting for, you know, Carrie and in some sort of way, but I was just like, man, like she's going out like that. But I also appreciate the mom's death. Um, one, it's cool. Two, I don't that was the scene that I said um before the spoiler break that I didn't remember. I just thought the ending was when Carrie gets the blood poured on her and then essentially chaos. I forgot that that part was in. So I thought it was pretty cool to get that when I wasn't expecting it. For the remake, um, you know, it starts off with a lot of gore, which is crazy too. So, like, you have this like birth of Carrie. Holy yikes, never having a kid from seeing that.

SPEAKER_03 49:21

This is like the best depiction of a birth, though.

SPEAKER_05 49:23

Have you were you not forced to watch the miracle of life? No. No, but I did see my stepmom give birth. I mean, not it, someone recorded it and then I watched it and I was like, Yeah, I'm good.

SPEAKER_03 49:34

So I had to watch the miracle of life in high school, which is really graphic. They like get all up in there. Then I watched my nephew Nicholas B-born coming out, and then uh I helped deliver a baby when I was supposed to be photographing the labor, and they were short staffed on nurses. So uh this movie actually handled the broad scene pretty well.

SPEAKER_05 49:54

Yeah, I mean, it was bloody and probably very accurate. I completely agree. My favorite kill though is um the guy that's uh cracked in half by the bleachers because that shit always scares me when I was in school dances and stuff. I was like, I'm gonna get trapped under these somehow. That's my favorite. Oh, was it?

SPEAKER_06 50:12

That's the one that I think they like paralleled uh because there was a body chop in the first, and I think that's what they used this one for. That's what they were inspired by. But that bleacher kill was so good. Yeah, and it's very unique.

SPEAKER_05 50:24

You I I say with all the movies we have reviewed, I've never seen a bleacher death before.

SPEAKER_06 50:29

And she like opened them and then shut them. Oh, so good. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 50:33

That was my favorite too, only because when you saw them running up the bleachers, you knew what was going to happen because you were always worried about it in high school, like worrying about bleachers closing in and breaking your legs or something.

SPEAKER_03 50:44

So true. I think my favorite death was actually Chris. I preferred her death uh in this movie. I like it the way it was drawn out. The face stuck in the windshield, just enough force to like get her out of there in slow motion, and then just be stuck there and then watch the life leave her eyes before the car is like plunged into the gas station. Satisfying on all counts.

SPEAKER_06 51:08

Also, just like an honorable mention here, but Billy's face busting into the steering wheel. Oh, it was so good. And also, are all D-bags named Billy? I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 51:20

Many.

SPEAKER_06 51:20

Yeah, a bunch. Basically, all the movies involving teenagers have a D-bag named Billy.

SPEAKER_03 51:25

Yeah, but not on Billy's or D-bags.

SPEAKER_06 51:27

Yes, exactly. Not all Billy's, but all D-bags. His nose getting busted on that steering wheel though, intense and disgusting.

SPEAKER_03 51:35

I just imagine that the bone just went straight into the brain.

SPEAKER_02 51:38

Ugh. Yeah, that was very nice to behold. It was a solid use of slow-mo for sure. Um, my favorite death for the remake though, it's gonna be Carrie's death. Um, partially because it was so long in the making, like the opening scene, the visual of like almost stabbing an infant with scissors to me was like such intense gore for some reason, even though like nobody actually got stabbed or anything, but just like seeing that proximity of those two things. I was like, no, that scissors should not be that close to that newborn, get it away. Um, so to see like the mom finally see it through and like kill Carrie in the end, I felt like that was more satisfying to me than it was in the original.

SPEAKER_03 52:17

Did you were you satisfied by her stabbing by the mother, or were you satisfied on like the whole house coming up and down on top of her?

SPEAKER_02 52:24

The stabbing part. The whole house honestly doesn't really do it for me. I know it's like how the Carrie movies end, but the house I don't really give a shit about.

SPEAKER_06 52:32

In the original one, the house literally melts like an ice cube. It's ridiculous. It is a house of wax vibes so much so. I literally wrote in my notes do houses melt? Because they don't. They definitely don't. They just lighten the fuck up.

SPEAKER_03 52:45

See, I like the house coming down though, because you have the stones, right? The stonings of the witch.

SPEAKER_05 52:49

Oh, is that what it was? Wow, I didn't think that deep in.

SPEAKER_03 52:52

I like that. It's actually so it's actually also from the novel. They had planned to film for the original film and then they just took it out because they couldn't get it right.

SPEAKER_02 53:00

So in the made-for-tv version that I keep mentioning, um, it ends up being like a meteor shower that takes the house out and causes it to get swallowed up by hell, but it's also like a result of like Carrie's immense power and the emotions that she's feeling. So she like fully causes an astronomical event.

SPEAKER_06 53:18

I'm not gonna lie, the more you describe the made-for-tv version, the less I want to watch it. Oh, really?

SPEAKER_05 53:23

The more I wanted to watch it. So funny. Well, seeing as a lot of the kills um from the OG version come from the prom scene, I have some really cool facts I like I want to share with you guys.

SPEAKER_02 53:32

Yes, please.

SPEAKER_05 53:34

So Norma, who is played by PJ Souls, uh, when the fire hose kills her, um, the water pressure actually bursted her eardrums. So when you see her um in that scene kind of fall, it kind of looks like she fell, obviously, due to that impact and then her being unconscious. But in all actuality, she was like in terrible pain and lost her ability to like maintain equilibrium. So she fell over. Jesus. That sounds totally painful. Brian Day Palma decided uh to keep that shot in, you know. And honestly, PJ could not hear for um or have was having ear issues for about six months after that. So, you know, she did apply for um workers comp and it was approved. Nice. Just kidding. I don't know about that last part. She couldn't, she had some hearing issues though for six months on that. You know, it's amazing. The more I like read and do some research on this, it's crazy the amount of misery, misery actors are put in, especially like in the 70s. Yeah. It it all seems a little questionable.

SPEAKER_02 54:40

Yeah, when like stunt coordinators were half drunk the whole time.

SPEAKER_05 54:44

And our little coal miner's daughter. Um, so obviously iconic prom scene um where the blood is spilled on her. Um, Sissy SpaceX trailer is actually parked behind um where that was filmed. So after being covered in the fake blood, for continuity purposes, she actually refused to take off the um clothes and everything. Okay, so she kept on the clothes for filming, which um took about three days for that. Interesting, right? I mean, that's kind of something I feel like I'd do.

SPEAKER_03 55:12

I kind of do that already with my clothes, and still not as bad as Gunnar Hansen in the Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

SPEAKER_06 55:18

I was just gonna say, imagine this is directed by the same people as Texas Chainsaw Massacre, and it would be real pig's blood. You know what I mean? And she'd be in it for like three days.

SPEAKER_00 55:28

The smell.

SPEAKER_06 55:28

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 55:29

So also want to talk about this iconic scene. You know what I mean? Like I love it, it's known for a lot of things. So, and obviously, way gory version in our 2013 version. So, Kimberly Pierce stated that there was about a thousand gallons of fake blood used in um in that scene with about 50 tests, hair, and makeup for uh Chloe.

SPEAKER_02 55:51

I absolutely believe that.

SPEAKER_05 55:52

Which I thought was crazy. Just the the prom scene? Yes, just for that, yeah. And she said in an interview she worked in the blood for about three months, so she was in this every day. Yeah, it's kind of cool though, to know like I don't know, that's just my opinion. It's a lot of fake blood. It's a lot of fake blood. It's a lot of days being in blood, and you know what? I I just love the scene though. The the richness of that is pretty cool. A lot of periods.

SPEAKER_02 56:17

In the remake, they definitely got like the perfect blood splatter, like nailing her head with it. Um, and the way it like spread out. I was like, I almost thought it was CGI, but hearing that they did it over and over again until they got that one makes more sense.

SPEAKER_06 56:30

They showed it to us from so many different angles that I could tell we were clearly proud of the testing they had done to make sure they got the right splash.

SPEAKER_04 56:38

They're like, We were prepared to capture it.

SPEAKER_06 56:40

We're gonna do this real good.

SPEAKER_05 56:41

Let me show it to you food a few times. Did any of you notice um Chloe's like reaction?

SPEAKER_00 56:47

I was not looking at uh her face, I'll be honest.

SPEAKER_05 56:49

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 56:50

I was looking at the blood splattering all over her head.

SPEAKER_05 56:52

Looking at the bucket, the blood falling out. Yeah, right. Well, um honestly, when they were uh filming this, they ended up not telling her when they was actually going to be poured. So essentially what you see is something super authentic because she that was her own reaction to that scene.

SPEAKER_06 57:07

I believe that. It almost has to be that way, you know? Otherwise, you'd definitely be like preparing yourself to be have blood poured on you.

SPEAKER_00 57:14

Ugh. It's like getting the Nickelodeon slime. But red. But red.

SPEAKER_05 57:18

I l I like that. I I love the different comparisons that we can make between the two movies, and clearly a lot of CGI was done on the 2013 version, but still you still have some common um practical effects that were used, which I appreciate.

SPEAKER_03 57:32

So don't we sp we spend a lot of time uh talking about that prom scene? I actually think you know, we have the blood on Carrie, we have, you know, the drama of her uh, you know, looking very stoic, looking very pointedly everywhere, and obviously it's a very beautiful scene. I think one of my favorite elements though, right, is how they use lighting during the prom scene, specifically when everyone's trying to flee and you have the blue and red lights. Uh, it felt very, very creeps.

SPEAKER_00 58:05

My favorite visual part of the 76 film was actually Carrie's whole getup, the attire, the makeup or lack thereof just felt real to the character. It really felt like they were sheltered. And in 2013, it's not Carrie, but it's Carrie's mom. That self-mutilation and flagellation going on during the film was my favorite thing. I mean, it's gross to look at, but it it was so real, and it just you could see the pain in her face when she's like scratching into her leg with that that tool, and it just really brought that that pain to the surface. So we could see that like she had to do this to herself and her brain.

SPEAKER_06 58:43

Yeah, that moment oh the cringe, the cringe that it gave me, that just just a straight dig into your own leg. Oh for me, my favorite visual element, especially from the original, is Carrie soaked in blood walking up to her house saying, Mama. It is like such a beautifully lit moment. Uh, and she's just you know, she's disgusting. It feels disgusting, it kind of sounds disgusting. She's like juicy, and just the way she's walking up her steps into her home. Such a lovely, lovely shot.

SPEAKER_05 59:18

She's juicy though.

SPEAKER_06 59:20

She really was.

SPEAKER_05 59:21

I never noticed this watching the original a few times, um, but I really was enthralled. I think that would be a good word to say it was like, or just captivated kind of by the um, I guess Chris, you might know the technical term, but it's when you have like a character in the foreground and then one in the background, and it's kind of like this duality between the two, essentially like the scene when Tommy's in the front of the class and Carrie's in the background.

SPEAKER_03 59:48

Yeah, that's a split diopter lens. Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 59:50

It allows you to focus on two two uh points. And I don't know what the meaning would have been behind that or what like, but I just love that scene, and there's it they've she did it in the gym class too with the teacher, and I was just like, oh wow, like this is really interesting to get two to polar, essentially polar opposite like characters in the same sort of context, and it was just something I hadn't really seen before, or I've seen done, but not that well. Usually one's a little bit blurrier or one like I'm focusing on, but in this s situation I could essentially see both at the same time.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:24

You uh did see it in The Perfection, which I know you didn't like that movie, but you know, okay, I forgot about that movie. I thought it was done better in that movie, actually. This movie, like it was cool and it's really, really good, but I think it's uh it looks even better now.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:36

So I'm not gonna lie, I always thought that was a technique where they shot it twice and then like cut and paste the actual film together. So I did not know that lens existed. That's very cool. Um I'm gonna try to not say that the the best visual element is the final scene because it's obviously so already been said. Um, but I'm gonna give it to the cinematography overall in the original. Um specifically, two scenes really stood out to me. One of them was the just the camera choices they used when they filmed the girls in their like detention workout montage. I thought that was so fun and so well done in a way that like made these girls seem like they were so tired and annoyed and just like really miserable in this like boot camp thing, but it was also kind of like a little bit like almost like hijinks-y, like with the music and the the panning across all the different girls, like trying and failing to do their thousandth sit-up or whatever. Um, but my favorite use of cinematography in this actually comes from the locker room introduction scene during the opening credits. And I literally wrote in my notes I was like, gorgeous locker room intro. Slow motion is sensual and beautiful, but doesn't feel sexual or exploitative. Is that just because I'm gay? Question mark.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:48

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:49

That's what I figured.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:50

It absolutely is.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:53

I was like, wow, it's so beautiful and it's not sexual in any way. And I was like, maybe it's just not sexual to me in any way.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:59

Yeah, no, that felt so overtly gross and unnecessary. It's just it lingered where it didn't need to linger.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:06

But every shot should be a gif on Tumblr.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:09

Uh it was it was the close-up and the eroticism of watching her shower. And like, here's the thing: you put this romantic music on it, it doesn't just make it artistic. That's the intent. It's like, oh, look at this. It's so dreamy, it's so beautiful, look at the female form. But it's like, dude, okay, in your story, these are minors. These are high school, these is these are children. One girl's about to have her first period. Why are we looking at this? It's unnecessary. You can absolutely show locker room antics, right, and people decompressing from a gym class without full frontal nudity and the slow motion lingering on it. But I'm glad you didn't find it that way.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:46

Definitely just went in through my gay brain and did not come out any other way.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:50

So it's actually funny that you mentioned that opening scene because I think that is actually an example of where I just am not a fan really of the excessive way slow motion was used in the original. The original, like that opening scene was was one of the things that I could have done without. But then the use of slow motion in the prom scene, like at one point when uh you know Carrie wins and she is you know, everybody's taking the moment and you're seeing different people react and you're seeing the realization for Sue and all that stuff. It's cool, it has a purpose, but sometimes it just lingers where it doesn't need to linger. And I think the use of slow motion, or rather the lack of use of slow motion and the restraint they showed in the remake was my favorite aspect of the cinematography in that one. Like we get it a couple times at the prom. We get it when Chris flies out through the windshield and Billy head Billy's head hits the steering wheel. Absolutely loved it.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:46

Yeah, I have to totally agree with you there. I won't say it's my visual element, but the difference of how slow motion is used from old to new is absolutely a significant thing as far as how I feel about these movies individually. It is a big, big difference. For me, uh I'm hate to be this person. Uh my favorite visual element is actually the same scene in the remake of Carrie walking up bloody into her house. It's I don't know why this just like stood out to me so much, so much so that they redid it and redid it well. And so for me, it's both the same.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:23

I like how the house in the 2013 version stayed true to the original house. Like I didn't see anything different. And I love like, yep, I'm a fan of Harry Potter. Love the little cubby underneath the stairs. Also wanted one when I was a kid so bad because that's where everyone would have their little like hideouts and stuff. You know, Harry Potter didn't like that, right? Yeah, and nor did Carrie, so but this is before Harry Potter.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:49

No one that has it does.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:50

It just seemed like a fun place to like put my Barbies.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:53

Carrie Potter.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:54

But yeah, I I love it. I love even just the little details of the like the crosses on the wall. You get a lot of information, even though you already knew a lot, but through the scene and all the props and everything, I feel like you get a sense of you know who Margaret White is and just the kind of person um she's raised Carrie to be as well.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:14

Honestly, I felt like when I had seen the 2013 version, I felt like the visuals were all so great, but then after seeing the original, I was like, wow, it kind of shit on the remake as far as visuals go. Um, so much so that I don't have many things in my notes about the visuals. But I feel like a couple things that they did in both movies were not done nearly as well in the remake. Specifically, the visual of Carrie floating her way out of the school, I did not need at all. I much preferred, like Ryan said, like her slowly walking, just kind of like trembling in in shock. But like the floating out, I was like, no, why did we do that? That does not look it was a bit much. Yeah. And then I feel like the same scene that I loved in the original with the gym detention, they didn't even try. To do anything creative with how they filmed that in the remake. It was just like this is an eye-level shot of some girls at a a gym detention. And it felt like a missed opportunity.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:10

They all cut their shirts to customize them to fit their body best. That was obviously the most interesting part of that scene. They all were wearing a yellow shirt, but it was all cut differently, you know. One had nice boobs. Yeah. It's important, you know? It definitely didn't exist in real life because you could never change your shirts in gym class. But in this movie, that's that was the important part there. They all look different.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:30

I didn't even notice that, which is rare for me.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:33

Honestly surprising, yeah. You know, there's actually something that the remake did way better visually. That uh, you know, for for as much glory as you all have given the the original. One thing that I'm so happy they got rid of was the excessive, unrealistic amount of candles that were lit when Carrie got home. But here's the thing it adds to the ambiance. Okay, we get it in the remake with the birth scene. And I'm not mad at the fact of like the presence of candles. Here is where it lost me. When Carrie in the original is flying down the stairs and doesn't knock down a single fucking one.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:11

So true. So true.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:13

So glad that was completely extracted uh from that scene in the remake because then it made a logical sense. It was just such a fire hazard.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:22

Like the the dress and everything, walking up the steps, the candles, such a fire hazard.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:29

And you know what? If there was a consequence, it would have been fine, but there was zero consequence. She literally flew over the candle. She flew over the candle and it didn't even blow in the wind.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:39

See, I literally wrote in my notes, wow, the mom's only going to put out four candles for the final scene in the remake. Um, because the consequence was everybody looked better in candlelight.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:49

So the explanation is, of course, she's telekinetic, so nothing really matters in the end because she could just control it all with her mind.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:56

And this is an X-Men movie.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:57

Well, the the 2013 is definitely an X-Men movie because the hand movements, did we need the hand thing? Did we need the whole modern telekinetic, like control things with your arms outstretched?

SPEAKER_05 1:08:07

I hated that. It was so on the nose. It was horrible.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:12

I I would like to bring a different perspective here. I hate the Stephen King look. Okay. In in all the things that Stephen King does, people just look at you and then you die. And it's and like crazy stuff happens from a look, and I hate it. I'll I prefer the ridiculous stick your hands out as if you're doing something, you know, little magic hands. I'll take that. Because the look, I've just walked around for the past two days looking at people, especially my roommate and giving her the look, and maybe she'll die one of those times. I don't know. Probably not.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:46

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:47

I was not mad at the little force choke to save the gym teacher in the in the uh remake. I wasn't mad at it, but I will say the facial reactions combined with the hand gestures were the only, only, only gripe I had with Chloe's performances, Carrie. Literally the only thing. Just that one thing looked a little bit weird, but even that didn't do enough to make me hate the movie. Yeah, she's controlling people with her mind. She can make a funny face.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:12

I always imagine when people have telekinetic powers that they have to do like a lot of muscle straining when they're doing it, you know? Like their like arms are 10-stop or something, or they have to like clench their butt cheeks every time that they have to lift something up. It it seems like it would be strenuous.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:26

When they were when we were watching this in the 2013 version, especially since she like used her hands uh and there was a lot more of like the practicing of the telekinesis, I was like, is this exhausting? What muscles does this use? Like, what does she do in her brain? Does she have to just think that book is gonna pick up off the table? Does she have to like imagine it picking up off the table? Like, what is the exhaustion really?

SPEAKER_03 1:09:49

So there are for sure uh some some deviations in like the the approach to Carrie's telekinetic powers. I do agree with you, Ryan. The look is a little bit weird. I think Sissy SpaceX pulls it off, but I think she did it well, and I don't think we need that again. I'm all for a different interpretation and different approach to like demonstrating it. I think the one cool thing about you know the look that she gave, particularly with just with her and her eyes, it felt very comic book strip, right? Like I could just see the animated version of this like up close up on the eyes, and that would be stunning. So true. I have some some things here about some scenes, but before we get into the favorites, I do have two scenes that I just really wanted to remove from the original to make it a slash. And that was one, the guys trying on tuxes and then talking trash, and then all of a sudden the the movie speeds up and they talk like chipmunks. That was dumb.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:43

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:43

Uh, and I don't often just say things that are dumb on the podcast. Like it takes a lot for me to feel that way, particularly meaningless and hollow. And then the second was the real weird blowjob uh that John Travolta got to convince him to help out. Oh yeah, forgot about that.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:59

So big question there. How did she speak clearly talent?

SPEAKER_03 1:11:03

That's the thing. If it was just a blowjob, okay, fine, but it clearly wasn't.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:07

You guys don't have skills or uh know about any skills.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:12

Just kidding, just kidding. I don't know. I text Chris and called her the blowjob blonde because I was just like, what is this? Like, what is happening during this? I hate it.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:21

But in all actuality, though, the sounds in that scene really threw me off. John Travolta's performance in that scene was weird because it's just like, look, man, like I can hear her speaking to you. There's no way she's touching you in a way that makes you this distracted. Also the casual abuse. Oh, for sure. Yeah. Just a trash character all around. And you know what? We said it before the beta version of Danny Zuko, and this is why Grease 2 is better than Greece.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:47

Chris will die on this hill.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:48

I absolutely will. The only hill I'm willing to die on. I've never even been on that hill.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:53

Well, speaking of other scenes in the film, in in the 76 version, uh Sue at the prom figuring out that something's afoot, tracking it down, following the rope all the way down, opening the curtain while the teacher's pulling her away. That was my favorite scene of 76.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:07

We are very in sync tonight, Mac.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:10

How are we in sync?

SPEAKER_05 1:12:11

That is also one of my favorite scenes from the 1976 version. You know, I like how you're like kind of she's playing Nancy Drew a little bit and going through these things, and it's essentially really quiet. And then when I mean, I feel like you're just waiting for it to happen, and I love the buildup for it. And then when it pours, it's still quiet, and I just love that focus that it's on all of that. And I mean, I I love the what where we end up with is an iconic scene, but I've preached about how much I like that scene a lot.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:42

I think what makes it great for me is that it's inevitable, is because we're we're watching her trying to stop this, but we know that she's not gonna stop it.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:50

Yeah, it has to happen. Well, it doesn't have to happen, but you know the movie, you know it's gonna happen.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:54

Exactly.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:55

I hated that scene completely because it was in slow motion for 20 minutes. Um, and and I was so tired of watching somebody walk around and see what was gonna happen and shoot like the gaze upwards and seeing the bucket and then watching the rope. I was just like, all right, dude, we get the point. But I'm so glad you guys enjoyed it. For me, my favorite scene from the original is Carrie standing in front of the car, like literally the creepiest thing you'll ever see in your life when you're driving down the road. And that is one of the moments of horror for this film for me. And it's like, you know what's gonna happen, you know she's gonna go get them. She's already hunted down everybody else, basically, but it was so creepy and exciting, you know?

SPEAKER_03 1:13:40

Like a little creepy, but great. Well, I agree with that. That was absolutely my favorite scene as well. And I think you hit the nail right on the head. Stephen King knows how to ride a good car scene. Yes, he does, and make it real spooky.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:50

This one's gonna be super basic and obvious, but my favorite scene is when Carrie gets the bucket of blood dropped on her head. Nothing is more impactful than that in this movie. That's what everybody remembers, that's what everybody takes away. Um, and it's such a heartbreaking scene at the same time because you have this girl who's like really finally feeling like she's accepted among her peers, she's fitting in, and in a lot of ways she actually is, because very few people are actually in on this joke and actually out to get her. And then to see that trust that she's starting to build for the first time in like humanity as a whole, just absolutely shattered and destroyed, and send her spiraling into um rage and madness was just like so emotionally devastating as well as visually um breathtaking. So that's easily favorite scene.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:35

Yeah. And that's a good one. And I think I do particularly enjoy that scene in the original because of how it plays with Carrie's hallucinations and just playing back that line from her mom in her head, they're all laughing at you, they're all laughing at you. She sees the gym teacher laughing when in all actuality she's not laughing at her, and it just exacerbates the whole situation. Which I actually really enjoy that the remake didn't do the same thing. You know what I mean? I love that this fell down on her, everybody's just broken for a moment. Just like, what the hell? What's going on? You have people in the crowd who clearly are not enjoying this, and then they you know introduce the cyberbullying. You have that video being played. Some people are laughing, some people aren't. And I love the difference in the carries where the 2013 remake, in you know, in that scene, she has a targeted approach. She's done, she's sick of this shit. Whereas I felt like in the original, in that scene, she was more like reactionary. I can't control this anymore. I'm humiliated, my mother was right, and I have to just get out of here and protect myself.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:45

So yeah, that was my favorite in the remake. In the remake, I really appreciated um the last scene where there's this like cat and mouse between Carrie and her mom. Um, like this chase scene. Like it was it was awesome because you know, she's on the steps and she hears the creaking. We can see the mom's shadow in the back, but she can't. And so I I wasn't necessarily knowing what was gonna happen, but I just love the interaction between the two because you see this duality and you see like Carrie essentially like able to defend herself finally and has enough, you know, balls to do it. And I appreciate that because her mom's crazy. Uh but in all actuality, it was just like I didn't have that sort of vibe in the um original, and I kind of like that suspense that it built um at the end.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:33

I totally agree, and actually kind of relates to my favorite scene, which is Carrie coming home from school and is having a completely different why didn't you tell me conversation than she had in the original? Whereas I feel like Carrie in this one was like an actual human who was like, Hey dude, like you could have told me about this. Would have been nice to know. Yeah, would have been real nice to know. I'm just gonna start bleeding one day. And then when her mom gets all crazy with the like, you know, Adam and Eve sort of thing, yeah, and saying, like, you know, you sinned, like, because it was very accusatory. She was like, nah, dude, you sinned. That was on you. And I like, I'm I'm literally just trying to exist. Like, you didn't tell me I'm gonna bleed. I thought I was dying. And it was so much more of a real conversation, and a person growing up and learning to stand up for themselves and realizing that their mom is not taking care of them the way that they should, versus when the conversation happens in the original, it's just like, is this a human person that understands anything? And also from both perspectives, honestly, like Carrie is like not a human that can stand up for herself in any way, shape, or form, and the mom is not a person that can talk to another human in any way, shape, or form. So I was really, really happy with the improvements that were made in the 2013 version, and that scene was like, Yes, thank you for standing up here. This this means a lot.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:56

My favorite scene in 2013 is also related to Margaret White, and that's when the other mother's like picking up her daughter's dress from her with the alterations, or maybe she was making the dress, I can't remember, but um, and she's just like suffering the entire time listening to her speak. Because in her mind, she's thinking about Carrie and thinking how like Carrie's sinful and doing all these horrible things by going to the prom and just like listening to this other mother, like forces her to start destroying her own body and digging the tool into her leg. And you could just see like in her eyes, the conversation itself was too much for her because the judgment in her brain was so fired up.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:36

There's like no uh what do you call it when you just say things to be nice? There was no like niceties about it. She was not gonna be like, Oh, thanks for coming by, or like, thanks so much, or like, I'm glad you enjoy my work. It was like, these are godless times. Imagine that's the only thing you say back to somebody after they say, Thanks, your work is amazing. These are godless times.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:56

Yeah, you get a really shitty Yelp review.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:59

Um, excellent taste, Mac. Excellent addition there, Ryan. That is absolutely my favorite scene as well for all of the reasons you mentioned. Um, I actually sometimes do this myself, obviously not to this extreme where I'm digging a seam ripper into my thigh.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:12

No, this is how you pray.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:14

No, but sometimes when I'm at work with customers and I just like really do not want to be having this conversation, I'll realize that I'm like digging some kind of tool like into my hand or like like digging my nails into my hand to kind of distract from how much I want the conversation to end. Um, obviously the the motives behind this are completely different because I'm not in that frame of mind, but I was like, you know, I can kind of relate in some ways. But really, any scene that has Julianne Moore in it is my favorite scene from the remake, and that's just such a testament to how well she played that character.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:43

No, you're absolutely right, Paris, and I think her approach to that character is actually like the best difference for that 2013 remake. As much as I love you know Chloe's take on Carrie, Julianne Moore slayed this movie. Margaret in the in the first film isn't obviously not inconsequential, but she's no one that I cared about. She's like, okay, well, she's just like this background shitty person who's terrible to Carrie, and whenever she goes, she goes. And while I didn't emotionally invest myself in the well-being of Julianne Moore's portrayal, it was very much like being able to see that there is some sort of love as twisted and dark as it is, and it made for a way more interesting dynamic, right? Like that beginning scene with the birth, seeing how she wants to kill this infant and then stops herself, you know, looking at how she's physically hurting herself to atone for her sin. It's it's really twisted, it's really demented, but it added a depth to this character that I just did not get at all from the original. I agree.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:54

I feel like in the original, the mother is like a caricature. It's it's like such a horror trope, yeah, like psycho super religious person, you know? It just like so much so that it just like turned me off. And I was just like, all right, I get it. Like, you're crazy, cool, let's move on. I don't care.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:12

See, I like the mom. Interesting enough. I mean, I do get a sense of she's quite comical at some points, and by no means do I think they did that intentionally. I think it was just I'm used to my mom brushing my hair. If I say something wrong, she's taking the back of that brush and smacking me across the face. Never got hit with the Bible, though, I have to say. But I'm sure it would have been in her repertoire, like for sure. But you know, the one-liner she's saying, you know, pimples are God's way of chastising you. And I was like, yikes! Like, she was like a the worst person, and I think like to get this polar opposite of her and Carrie, and you have this antagonist-protagonist sort of like conflict. I think that I I liked that about her, and I thought she delivered very well.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:00

Her like explanations for normal human things, absolutely chaotic. Like, what are you talking about? But I like that about her. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It gave her something.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:10

Honestly, I feel like because the original made like the woman that played the mom in the original made such big choices that it did come off as like Ryan was saying, just like a caricature. Um, but the character itself, I feel like, is such a great role that any actress would love to have, um, specifically because of a lot of the lines, but I think the way Julianne Moore did it was so serious and authentic in a way that looped back around into being a little bit camp for me, especially with the way Chloe Grace Moretz uh portrayed a very like normal response to somebody being absolutely insane. Um and I'm not convinced that this wasn't a little bit intentional, um, especially when it comes to certain lines like um like Chloe's just like trying to have a normal conversation with her mom, and her mom's like, I thought you were cancer. I thought he gave me cancer. Like when she was pregnant with her, and I'm like, that's an insane thing to say to your child. And for Chloe to kind of just like shrug it off is in a way comedic.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:06

That actually is part of Kimberly Pierce's like intent. She wanted to go back to the original novel and pull a little bit of humor that King had worked in.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:14

Oh, I'm so glad to hear that.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:16

As a side note, to have such chaotic explanations for every single thing, like to the point where you have an explanation for pimples, but then to think that you can explain a baby with cancer, which is not biblical, it just doesn't make sense. Like, is this a cancer? Like, what do you mean is this a cancer? No, it's a baby. You had sex, ma'am. Hello.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:39

I have two more favorite lines from Carrie's mom. These actually come from the original. One of them is, I should have killed myself after the first time he put it in me. Just so extreme. Such an insane thing to say.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:49

Actually, I feel like I've said something like that before.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:52

I know, but then at the same time, a little bit relatable. And then one that I've actually quoted ever since I heard it for the first time, specifically if a friend is wearing something really ugly, is take off that dress, we'll burn it together and pray for forgiveness.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:03

I like that. I like that. Of course you would.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:06

It's just it it's such it takes it to the nth degree that I'm just like, this is brilliant, this is incredible.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:12

I love it. Can I throw out a character that surprised me in I guess more so in the 76 version, but Tommy? So when Tommy is, you know, first like playing along with the idea of taking care, it's like, why would I do that? This is ridiculous, but anything for you, babe, sure I'll help out. But when they're actually at their prom, he's like enjoying the conversation and getting into it. And that surprised me because I think most horror movies today, if they would if they were written with that type of character, that type of setup of like fake bringing somebody to prom, he would have been like a horrible jerk the whole time to her. And it was in in both films, like really great to see the idea of like I'm just gonna enjoy myself and enjoy the conversation, and we connected over poetry, so there's nothing wrong with this.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:53

Yeah, Tommy confuses me. Even knowing what the intent is behind between behind Tommy and Sue, I found their motives to be unclear in the original, but not in an entertaining, mysterious like, will they or won't they fuck her over? Is it didn't feel like that. It felt like just poor explanation. Just confusing. Yeah. Tommy in the original, he's resistant to it, he goes along with it, then he's having a good time, then he kisses her while you're kissing her. Like you clearly have a good thing going with Sue. Yes. I don't think Sue wants you to be kissing her, just wants you to show her a good time. That's why I really enjoyed, as much as I dislike the actor, I really enjoyed Tommy in the remake because you got the vibe. Like he's more fleshed out to be a more good person, right? Like he gives good advice, you know, he's he he's listening to Sue. He's like, Oh yeah, what what the hell did Carrie White ever do to you? Did you apologize to her? He g takes her to the prom, has a good time, still texts his girlfriend. You know what I mean? Like it felt like more fleshed out, like, yes, okay, I believe Sue and Tommy in the remake. I don't necessarily believe them up until I see Sue getting kicked out of the gym in the original.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:06

But it's also like a weird idea to think that like someone would clear their conscience by pimping out their boyfriend for prom night. Like, what is that? That idea, Sue, what's going on in there?

SPEAKER_05 1:26:15

I mean, I can see that. I could I I mean to me, I think I'm basing it solely on what I saw in the original. Um, and Chris, you're right. Like, it is unclear. It is, I get a vibe where I'm not sure they could be switching it off at any moment, which I like that idea because that created suspense for me that I didn't clearly know their intention. So I was like, at any moment, you know, no one is saving Carrie. Like she just got played real hard. But in the 2013 version, I it was nice to see that they were sweeter, they were they were just being kind. Um, because I think that's what I was searching for in this movie. I was like, can someone just be kind to someone, please? Like, please, someone be kind. Yes. And I think the characters, at least like the extra characters, and especially Chris in the 2013 version, they were just like too extra for me. They were that catty, mean girls that are in jawbreakers, that are in, you know, every horror movie that has, you know, a little click in it. And I was over, I'm I'm overseeing that stuff already, but definitely over seeing it in this movie as well.

SPEAKER_06 1:27:30

It was so dramatic. Them like up there, and they're like, We're gonna, we can't do this and just stay. We have to go.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:37

This is a felony, and it's just like and I hate movies that are solely based like when prom is an event at a place because it's never realistic ever. No. In this one, not realistic. I'm glad it wasn't the snow globe thing, you know, especially the one that's in Pretty Little Liars, too. So like I was waiting for it.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:59

You raise an interesting. Interesting point about like annoying teenagers, but I felt like the teenagers in this were different from how we typically see horror movie teenagers. Horror movie teenagers are basically people who should are acting like they're already in college, a little bit mature, but more like I'm very privileged, I haven't had to struggle for anything in my life, etc. Whereas these felt more like immature brats who lack the the fundamental understanding of responsibility and consequences. And I appreciated that from like the perspective of like so I'm like, these are just kids being shitty ass kids who do terrible things and don't know how to be accountable for it. So even then, like you're right, Chris especially was super extra, but I wasn't mad at it.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:43

Yeah, I feel like she did a really good job of being like an unlikable little asshole. You know what I mean? Especially in the scenes in the principal's office with her dad, where she was just like, isn't that illegal? And I was like, girl, like get a grip on reality. Like you can't be this kind of person in the real world. It's not gonna fly.

SPEAKER_06 1:28:58

Please get a grip on foundation color because her face was so orange in this movie.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:03

Okay, Ryan, bullying the bully.

SPEAKER_06 1:29:05

Oh, wow. And bullying the makeup artist? I don't know. I mean, my face was orange in high school, but that doesn't mean it needs to be orange in a movie. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:12

That's funny.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:14

They intentionally did that because they wanted her to be like overly suntan or like you know, spray tan, tanning booth tan with like ratty hair extent uh hair extensions because they wanted to subtly hint that maybe she's actually just jealous of how naturally beautiful Carrie is. I think they executed that perfectly and I hated it.

SPEAKER_06 1:29:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:36

Nailed it. So in 2013, Mistess Jardin, my favorite character, also I think the best part of the movie. Interesting. I was picking up everything she was putting down and I loved it.

SPEAKER_06 1:29:46

That's funny. I didn't care for it at all. I don't know. She was just she was just kind of like meh to me. I couldn't figure out. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:52

But like consider the original gym teacher and how she seemed weird in the beginning. Like she was kind of laughing, but she wasn't. She was like, I was confused about how to feel. And and then in 2013, she like clearly is like, This is wrong. You guys are jerk-offs, and I want to get rid of you. I don't want you to come to prom, I want you to be all suspended, but you know, I'm on a leash in a in a way.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:13

And I feel like she was a better person in 2013 for sure.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:17

Oh, yeah. She was a better person. I felt like her character acted a little too similar, like she seemed like she was barely older than the kids.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:25

Which is maybe maybe the case, honestly.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:27

But I think just because she's so foxy.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:29

Oh, okay. You were just in love with her. That's what it is.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:32

She also did slap those kids a lot.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:35

There was a lot of slapping in both of these movies. Well, she's at least better than Mr. Ullman from the remake, who uh well, not only just being an asshole teacher, right? But also making eyes of one of the students. Worst part of the new one for me is the principal.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:49

Because he's just like a grown man who can't say the word period repeatedly. And it's just like, cool, we get it, you're uncomfortable. This is the worst character you've ever played ever.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:59

My worst part of the remake is actually not even a character. It's a plot hole for me, which is we have cell phones. Uh Sue receives a text message threatening Carrie's experience. Uh, we know that Tommy has his phone and text Sue before. Why does Sue not fucking just call Tommy and say, hey, something's going on, can you leave? That would make too much sense, Chris.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:24

We kind of touched on it already, but the worst part of the remake for me is Chloe Grace Moretz's portrayal of somebody with telekinetic abilities. I don't know if anyone else has done this, but I have often fantasized throughout my life of having telekinetic powers, and the claws, the little claw hands, are not it. The the shoulder from the shoulder to the tip of the finger was all wrong.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:47

I completely agree with you, and that's what I said. I was like, her flying was also like And the fly. Yeah, I was like, did she just turn into a bat or something? I was like so confused on that part. But yes, I too have thought I could move things. Once I watched Matilda, I was like, she can do it, I can.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:03

Yep.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:03

But it never involved my hands, it only involved like eyes and eyebrows.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:07

Like oh, see, I've got the hands, but I feel like I've perfected the hands, and it's really the same hands that Gene Gray does when she's doing psychic stuff in X-Men movies. It's like a it's a strong hand, but the fingers are not curled. That's like that's like a witchy claw. You need to give me like full ooh, you know?

SPEAKER_03 1:32:23

Oh. I'm sure Chloe Grace Moretz values your a very important feedback on this technique.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:28

She really should have consulted me.

SPEAKER_06 1:32:30

Uh uh, we're on the same page that this isn't a real ability. Telekinesis doesn't exist.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:35

Yes, absolutely.

SPEAKER_06 1:32:36

But if it were, I mean, I think it does.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:38

Really? Like, you think people can move things with their mind? Because I think people can move things with their mind.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:43

I guess when you say it like that, probably not.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:45

So people can move things with their mind because their mind controls their hands.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:48

That's right. That's right. Yeah. My head is touching this water bottle. I made my hand touch it though. Like, yeah. I guess when you s say it, it sounds so damn dumb.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:00

Yes, because it is. It's very dumb.

SPEAKER_06 1:33:03

I it I did feel the need to clarify for a moment because we were having a very serious conversation about the proper hand technique for telekinesis.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:11

Make no mistake.

SPEAKER_06 1:33:12

And I just don't know if we're on the same page here.

SPEAKER_05 1:33:16

It was when we were kids, okay. It's like when you thought your toys really came alive, like in Toy Story. It's when I thought I could pee standing up if I tried hard enough.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:25

I just want to point out that Paris was a grown-ass man in 2013 when this came out.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:30

True. It's just like you can tell when somebody has never actually fantasized about having psychic powers, and Chloe's never fantasized about having psychic powers until she had to do it for this movie. And also, I feel like she's never really been weird, and that was also the worst part of the movie for me, her trying to seem weird.

SPEAKER_05 1:33:45

She was totally weird and uh she let the right one in where she plays the vampire, or yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:52

Yeah, and actually she did a much better job of it in that one, which is why I was like, you can do this convincingly. What was this? But choices as an actress are hers to make and not mine.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:02

So okay, so the 2013 has some interesting parts to it, but the the 1976 here, the obvious worst part of this film was the 45 minutes of clapping and slow motion. Like, I don't know why that took so long. Like, okay, you give us a slow motion of the bucket, give us a slow motion of maybe the like the second of like, oh my gosh, I see this rope and I'm looking. But did we need the clapping and the cheering for literally three days?

SPEAKER_06 1:34:29

It was the most miserable I have ever experienced. Slow motion being like slow motion's usually so exciting in a movie, it's usually so important. They they really put some emphasis on certain scenes, but in this movie, oh my god. I was like, I could go make dinner and come back, and they'd still be clapping.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:49

The worst part for me was, and I don't think it was the most annoying thing, but I know this movie for it, but is it to me? And I know it has something to do with the film they use, but that shit was grainy and like fuzzy. Or is it 70s?

SPEAKER_06 1:35:10

It looked like a dirty pillow.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:12

For as much as I uh struggle with some elements of the original, there's absolutely no denying that Sissy Spacek is an absolutely incredible carry. And there are things that are good, there are things that are cool about this movie, but none of them are as strong as her portrayal. I still prefer Chloe Grace Moretz. Weird technique and facial reactions to telekinetic powers aside, I absolutely prefer just like that vision of Carrie, but yeah, Sissy SpaceX, if if anyone else were Carrie in this movie, I think it'd absolutely be a strong hack.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:54

For me, there's two pretty big standouts for worst parts of the original. Um, one was just the gay English teacher, he just sucked. And I was like, really? The one gay is just gonna suck. I mean, besides the gym teacher, who I wasn't sure was intentional or not. But fully, this the opening scene with the bullying and the period and the tampon and the plug-in up of it all, I know it's like a a staple of the movie, but I hate it. I feel like there's a million other ways you can show somebody being bullied, but like that was just too much. That's just the kind of energy that really doesn't make me feel nice.

SPEAKER_06 1:36:30

It also kind of doesn't make sense because if we're being honest here, like none of us enjoy that part of life and we all deal with it.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:36:38

While I'm not saying that everyone is always kind about things that they understand, girls teasing each other about their periods is like a little far-fetched in this way. Because like we understand it would be boys, it would be stupid, you know, like the stupid boys that are like, oh my god, she got her period. Like that would be real. But women, like, we get it, you know, to some degree, it sucks, bro.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:00

Now, all that aside, I can definitively say I don't care to watch the original ever again. Like, I feel like I've seen it enough in my life at this point. I've seen it for what it is. It's cool. I know the good bits, I know the bad bits. But if I ever want to watch Carrie, as I mentioned earlier, I will be watching the 2013 again. How about you folks?

SPEAKER_02 1:37:21

If I ever see that a Carrie movie of any kind is is on, I will be watching it. Um also Julianne Moore is one of my favorite actresses, so is Chlory Grace Moretz. So this is even though I didn't like this one the most, I will still happily watch this anytime.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:34

Agree. Even though I gave um 2013 a soft slash, I'd still watch it again, I think, in some sequential order that I like watching all my movies that have um series in them. But um Rage of Carrie or whatever that may be, something rage. I I like that one.

SPEAKER_06 1:37:54

I think I'm okay on re-watching both of these. Although I wouldn't be mad at re-watching the remake.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:59

I will probably never re-watch the remake. And when I have kids, uh when and they're like teenagers and they want to get into horror movies, I'll have them watch the 1976, and they'll probably hate it because it'll be the year like 2090 or whatever, and we'll be in flying cars and they're gonna be like, what is film? I don't understand, it's not an AR. But even then, I'll make them watch the original, and if they ask about the 2013, I'll tell them it doesn't exist because uh I just think it's extraneous.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:26

I think your kids are gonna be watching way too many classics to worry about something like that, like alien, all that sort of stuff.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:33

Please let your children know they don't have to uh view women with the objectified lens that uh this movie shows them in.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:39

Oh, I won't have to worry about that because we'll watch it and they're gonna just laugh with me at how bad it is, and they'll be like, ha ha ha ha. People were like this one time, that's crazy. And then I'll say, kid, you're laughing like an android. You have to improve your laughter.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:52

You need five, not four. Well, let's go ahead and move on to our final order of business here in terms of comparing these movies with our head-to-head comparison in terms of the visuals. Which one is better? The original or the remake? Oh, gee.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:08

The original. The original, for sure.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:10

I'm gonna just break the trend here and go for the remake. Oh no, I agree with you. Don't worry. But uh clearly we're they're we're in the minority tonight. What about the better approach to the story? I'm once again going remake.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:21

I'm gonna stick with the original. I'll go with the remake because it feels like they fleshed it out more uh in ways that I enjoyed.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:27

Yeah, I might have to say the 2013. Yeah. Alright, what about the performances?

SPEAKER_02 1:39:33

Oh, that's the original.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:34

Original. Oh, 2013.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:36

Yeah, what? It's the 2013, you guys. Julianne Moore.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:40

They were all stock characters. Are you kidding? Except for her.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:43

Oh, right, I'm out of here.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:44

What in the original they're all stock characters. The performances were hand-handedly better in the remake. Uh well, it looks like at least the remake won out in the story and the performances. While visually, it seems like the majority of folks here prefer the original. Now, I do believe Mac has whipped up a bit for us in fact or fiction.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:07

I did, I used my hand mixture and I whipped it up. So, number one, Steven Spielberg met his future wife while visiting the set of Carrie 1976. Sure. Fact.

SPEAKER_06 1:40:16

Fact. Just gonna go fiction because no reason.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:20

Well, good choice, Ryan. Actually, bad choice, because this is a fact. So PJ Souls reported that Brian De Palma invited Spielberg to the set for all the cute girls, and apparently Spielberg asked out most of the women on set, Souls included. Ew.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:34

Trash. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:34

Amy Irving, though, was the only one that accepted. And they were married from 85 to 89 and had a son together.

SPEAKER_06 1:40:41

Can I just say, if you're Steven Spielberg, uh you would definitely ask out all the women on set. You guys are talking trash, like that's not what he's supposed to do.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:48

Yeah, he's trying to shoot his shot.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:50

Okay, well, that's how we uh lend to very dangerous practices in film.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:54

Yeah, slippery slope. Now, oddly enough, De Palma and Nancy Allen were married from 79 to 84. So I guess meeting your boo on the set is like a regular thing back in the 70s and 80s. Number two, Amy Irving, who played Sue Snell, and William Catt, who played Tommy Ross, read for Leia and Luke for Star Wars and New Hope.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:13

I bet you love some Star Trek on this.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:17

It's uh Star Wars that I talked about, so this is Chris's thing.

SPEAKER_06 1:41:21

But the answer to what you said is correct. He does love Star Trek. I would I would prefer there to be Star Trek involved, yes. Um, I'm gonna say fiction.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:29

Yeah, I'm gonna say fiction.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:30

This sounds like made-up Mac stuff.

SPEAKER_06 1:41:32

I'm gonna have to say fact because you guys said fiction.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:34

Yeah, this is a fact. And Sissy Space Deck was George Lucas' number three pick for Leia, so that would be a very different Star Wars.

SPEAKER_06 1:41:40

Number three, not that high.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:42

Well, you know. You gotta have picks. You gotta have picks.

SPEAKER_06 1:41:45

I'd be pissed if I was number three, and like, eh, there's two other people ahead of me.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:49

Think about anyone in the world who might have been picked to to play Princess Leia, and you were like, hey, you're number you're my number three, okay? There's only two other people ahead of you. Number three, much to the chagrin of the filmmakers, the scene in which Nancy Allen goes downtown with John Travolta unexpectedly caused massive laughter in Irish theaters.

SPEAKER_05 1:42:07

Fact. Fiction.

SPEAKER_00 1:42:09

Fiction. This is a fiction because they never saw it, because Irish censors cut out that scene before it could be released.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:15

No blowdrops in Ireland?

SPEAKER_00 1:42:17

Apparently they didn't exist back then. Is it because drinking and driving?

SPEAKER_03 1:42:20

No, just no bad blowdrops in Ireland.

SPEAKER_00 1:42:23

Yeah. They're like not realistic enough, you can't show it. Number four, the horror master himself, Stephen King, suggested Lindsay Loewen, who was 27 at the time the film was released, for the role of Carrie for 2013.

SPEAKER_06 1:42:35

God, I hope not. Um 2013 was not Lindsay Lohan's time. If this was like 2005, maybe. I'm going fiction.

SPEAKER_05 1:42:43

Yeah, fiction.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:44

Honestly, I would have been obsessed with this, so I'm going to will this to be a fact.

SPEAKER_00 1:42:50

And your telekinetic powers have paid off. You've lifted the candle off the table. This is a fact. King suggested her because he thought she looked like Sissy Spacek.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:58

What a world we would be living in right now.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:01

COVID, I don't think would have happened.

SPEAKER_05 1:43:02

This must be pre-fillers, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:43:05

Maybe. I don't know. Now the other 2010's Hottie, Megan Fox, expressed interest in the role.

SPEAKER_06 1:43:10

That's what I'm saying though. Lindsay Logan. Lindsay Lohan was like.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:13

That's not a question. That's a fact. Oh. Okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:43:16

Lindsay Lohan was like already in rehab by this point. Like, this is past her prime.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:21

That would make it so good. Alright, well, finally, number five, Chloe Grace Moretz hung out with ex-prisoners to help get in the mind of someone trapped and without control over their own lives.

SPEAKER_05 1:43:31

Oh, fiction. I don't see her doing that.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:33

Yeah, she's 15 at the time. I don't think that's something that could have happened.

SPEAKER_06 1:43:37

You know, my immediate thought was absolutely not, but I'm going fact.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:42

So this is fiction. But the director, Kimberly Pierce, sent her to homeless shelters so she could be around people who'd had really tough lives.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:49

That somehow seems worse.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:51

Well, that's fact or fiction.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:53

Well, thank you for that education, Mac. And there you have it, folks. Carrie has earned mixed results. The original has earned three slashes and two hacks, while the remake squeaked by with four slashes and one hack. A little bit better. Now, while we've certainly had a lot to talk about here, it doesn't end here by any means. We want to hear from you folks who have experienced Carrie in all its forms. Uh, we want to know what you think. Keep in mind there are a number of ways to reach out to us. Starting with our website, hackerslash.com. And on our social media accounts on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter.

SPEAKER_06 1:44:24

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SPEAKER_00 1:44:36

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SPEAKER_02 1:44:42

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SPEAKER_03 1:44:51

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