220: Sleepaway Camp III: Teenage Wasteland (1989)

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Teenage Wastelin.

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Greetings and salutations, and welcome to Hacker Slash. If you're joining us again, welcome back. It seems every year on the camp someone loses their head. If this is your first time listening, welcome to the party. We are a horror movie review podcast dedicated to telling you whether a movie is a hack, a total joke, a waste of time, or a slash.

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Totally killer, pun intended.

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We believe horror is for everyone, and as such, we're rating these movies with a perspective we've gained from our varying walks of life and the flavors of fear we fancy most. My name is Chris, I'm your friendly neighborhood slasher enthusiast. This week I'm joined by the Superfly Space Guy Mac.

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Massive drugs.

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The gore lover Alexis. I like movies with real good acting, like Gone with the Wind or Care Bears.

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The cowardly creeper Ryan. I've never chopped wood, but I've chopped other things.

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And the Scream Queen Paris. I like movies that make America look great.

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This week we're celebrating summer by checking out the third entry in a campy franchise. Before we get down to business though, we have some follow-up.

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Let's follow up on a movie. We're actually going to follow up on the fifth entry of a different Campy Franchise. And that's Friday the 13th, A New Beginning. We recently reviewed this film, and as always, we wanted to hear what our listeners thought. And the results are in. 64% gave it a hack, and 36% gave this a slash.

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I don't understand why it's so hated, but that's fine.

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I know. This was really surprising to me to see that kind of result. Well, we have some comments from our listeners. Nathan on Discord said, I think there will be more slashes for the next Friday the 13th. Once first-time watchers see that part six has borderline scream levels of self-awareness.

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I'm so not excited for a sixth entry. Really? They only get better. As soon as he goes to all in different cities, it's um it's amazing. Whoa, hold on, hold on.

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Let's just be clear here. It gets better for one, and then it gets bad, and then it gets better, then it gets mediocre, and then it gets great with Freddie versus Jason, and then we've just kind of stumbled our way into nothingness.

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And then we have the 2023 to look forward to. Jason does Dallas. Or is that a is that a different movie?

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I can't with you.

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We have another comment from Rob on Discord who had this to say. Friday the 13th had a weird relationship with Paramount. The studio was embarrassed by the franchise, but the movies made so much money, so they kept trying to end it, and then they would bring it back. I love the Friday the 13th franchise, but this movie is a hack. It's just not good and it's completely random. 50s greaser characters?

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Has he seen Sleepaway Cam 3 yet? Is the question. We'll find out.

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And finally we have a comment from Darren, one of our patrons, who said, This gets a slash from me. It's not one of my favorites in the franchise, but I do find the bizarre cast of characters pretty entertaining. And they did at least try to change things up a bit.

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I don't know that I've ever been excited by the sentence bizarre cast of characters. I feel like that's like the thing that taps me out, you know?

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That is very fair. But I'll be honest, after hearing scream levels of self-awareness, I'm not not excited for the sixth one. And that's our follow-up.

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While that Friday the 13th film largely pulled us away from the summer camp setting, this week's film drops us right back into it. Now, when last we saw this franchise, we watched the sequel, and Paris, very early on into your reign on the show, you stunned us all with a dramatic wardrobe change and a musical rating, slashing the film that introduced us to a grown-up camper continuing her bloody massacre. That sequel had garnered so much excitement during its production, its producer announced there would be a third film made. So when production teams set to work writing the script as the previous movie was being filmed, they actually ended up after one weekend of pre-production, filming the third film at the very same YMCA youth camp used in the second film. This week, we're talking about Slepaway Camp 3, Teenage Wasteland from 1989.

SPEAKER_03 3:47

Who's seen this one before? I am sad to say that I have seen this before because Paris' excitement got me excited to watch the whole franchise. And it wasn't long ago that I watched this. Well, I of course have not seen this movie.

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Alexis, you should have known that was a trap.

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It was very trapped.

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I have seen this movie before. When I watched that second one for that episode, I'd watched the original to like get the backstory. Loved it. Watched the second one, loved it, and was like, well, let's finish this. There's only three movies. So then I watched the third one. But I haven't watched it a single time since then.

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I have not seen this third one, but when we were gearing up to watch it, I had to question myself of like, have I seen the second one or was I out that episode? So I had to like bring up just like a picture from the second installment just to remind myself, oh my gosh, I have actually seen it. And I do remember. And yeah, I um I'm kind I've been kind of surprised that I actually remember some of what happened in that movie.

SPEAKER_04 4:41

Yeah, previously on Sleepaway Camp. And I think you even get a taste of that in this movie. Alexis, I too fell for the trap. Less uh because of Paris' rating, and more so I think just because of like the spirit of things. I watched the third film and I'm trying to remember if I watched it before recording that episode on the second one. I wonder if that like colored my perspective at all, or if I held off until after. But I remember obviously having seen this for the first time within the last couple years, expecting this to be more of the same from the second one. I expected this to be high levels of camp, uh really exaggerated one-liners from our main character. And I remember thinking, okay, if if the second one feels like this, this has to be more of the same. But what were you all expecting?

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Yeah, in all honesty, I was expecting to hate this because I didn't like Sleep Away Camp 2.

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So I didn't go in with very high hopes. I remember my feelings from watching it the first time. So I expected for it to leave this same taste in my mouth.

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My expectations were not very high because I remembered the second film and then thought, like, oh gosh, this can't be any better because it's the sequel to that. Um, but I I I think I caught somewhere that a description of this movie mentioned camp, not like being out of camp, but how campy it was, and that it was like on purpose. And I don't know. I just really expected it to be so cheesy that I would be laughing at the fact that the movie was made and not laughing with it.

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Being a fan of this franchise, I distinctly remember this third movie being the absolute worst of the three, but I didn't remember specifically why. And re-watching it again, I was like, oh yeah, that's why. And that reason comes from a lot of the feelings that I have while watching this movie. It attempts to tackle some subjects that hadn't really been a part of this the series up to this point, and it's like, what if we did the same thing as the second movie, but with this twist, almost like a season 35 of Survivor, where they're like, it's children versus their parents or something like that. It felt kind of like a random like grab at something. I still got a lot of the same feelings that I liked from Sleepway Camp 2. So there was like a real mixed bag for my feels here.

SPEAKER_03 6:48

I don't know if I'd say mixed bag for me, but I laughed where I was supposed to laugh, and I cringed at probably the places they didn't care if I cringed or not, but I definitely cringed, and I guess this movie was so hard for me to watch. At certain point, I was relaxing watching this movie, and I had to turn it off. Then I forgot I had to finish it, had to fucking rent it again. It was very choppy. It was mostly like a yikes, okay, closing the computer. Let me just go do something else really quick.

SPEAKER_00 7:17

Well, I I watched it all in one go with ads, of course, because I watched it for free.

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I didn't Oh, that's gotta suck.

SPEAKER_00 7:22

Yeah, I didn't I didn't pay to rent this.

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Um better than paying twice Alexis. I know. I paid six dollars, I told Ryan. I was like, man.

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So the one of the things I was looking forward to was when I saw the runtime, and the runtime is relatively short. Ads, of course, kind of ruined that a little bit. I didn't get like so many that it was incredibly excessive, but I think one ad is too many ads. So I was expecting a little bit extra time, but when watching this, that hour and 20-ish minutes, what was it actually like an hour 15? It felt really long watching the movie. I didn't spend a lot of time laughing with it. I didn't find I didn't find that there was like a ton of great jokes. I just mostly found that it was kind of ridiculous to to watch. And and so I kind of ended up laughing at their attempts to land anything.

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I think you have a great point, Mac. I didn't find myself laughing because the movie wanted me to laugh. And to be fair, I don't really feel like I found myself laughing at all because honestly, some of the things that are in this movie are so annoying that they're not even like funny, it's not even like a laugh at it kind of thing, I think. I'm not surprised by any of that because it's kind of exactly what I expected. And I didn't like what we did before, so I wasn't expecting to like it all of a sudden now. And famously, I feel like these kinds of franchises needed to stay shorter than they did, and they just kept going with stuff because people like loved the second one or something, so they're just like, oh my god, more. Kind of like Friday the 13th, and they just keep going and like I really wish they had stopped.

SPEAKER_04 8:43

Yeah, you raise a good point here because this franchise for me has felt like one that gets worse the more it goes on. But here's the thing Friday the 13th had a formula, it would release a movie, and then they would just pretty quickly after that make another movie and capitalize on it, right? This movie, they didn't even wait to see what the audience reaction would be to the second. They're just like, fuck it, this is fun, let's do it again. And that seems like a wild misstep to me. This is one where I loved so much the original sleepaway camp, and this is just a watered-down version of a watered-down version of Angela from the second movie, and that was one of the biggest disappointments I had. I felt a great sense of meh and disappointment while watching this movie, and it's coming from the characters, it's coming from the directions that it tries to take with the story, it comes from the attempt to maybe be campy, but it's not leaning enough into camp for it to actually be funny or say something meaningful. It's just a big letdown.

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Oh, talk about disappointments. When I saw the kill count going into the movie, I got kind of excited because I was like, at least it's gonna be interesting. But wow, were those kills disappointing? There's literally kills that landed as well as just like a subtle thud. That's about it as well as they as they did them. I mean, like, literally some of them were just a subtle thud, and that's how characters died. But disappointment- I mean, if you're gonna do like a ton of kills, make them interesting, at least make three of them different from each other somehow. There's like three in a row that are all the same kill and so boring, especially when you're doing them three and a half minutes apart, spice it up a little bit, change it up or something. But man, I mean, this this could have been like a kill fest, just one after the other after the other, in really cool, ingenious ways. And instead, it was just kind of like watching, I don't know, kids acting out of play and somebody filmed it. That's what it felt like.

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To me, it was very uh boink, you're dead, boink, boink, boink, you know, as if someone were doing like some sound effects in the background. You would think that would disappoint me. And it did, but my bigger disappointment was Angela because I feel like Angela, you just get so much from the original, and you get a different grown-up Angela in number two. You get her excited about camp, and then you get this like very different character flip for her, and I like that. I like that development for her for this movie. I've never seen a flat character that's supposed to be your main character like this. And I get these camp movies are supposed to be flat, but I was really hoping just to get a slight something from her other than what I did.

SPEAKER_04 11:20

Um, I would dare say they camp movies aren't supposed to be flat. But also, did you remember Urban Legend when our main character was the worst part of the movie and she was the definition of flat?

SPEAKER_03 11:30

That is also true. I guess there could be multiple ones with flat characters as a main character.

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What's really cute about this movie is they tell you who the killer is one second into the movie. So I I don't even have to worry about spoiling anything when I talk about it. But I think the fact that you want me to believe that this is a year later and a bad wig and we no longer know who this person is, we no longer know her, we don't recognize her. You said you'll kill her when you meet her, when you see her again, but you don't recognize her. This movie is a lot of a mess. One of my biggest disappointments is like Max said the kills, but at the same time, there are interesting concepts. Like this movie kind of exists in a space that requires a different level of kill to make it worth seeing, right? Because they're not uninteresting concepts, but it's just the ones that fall flat, fall so flat for the kills, and then the ones that are good, uh you're still wanting more because everything else sucks, basically. You need some blood. So the bull you got was the saving grace. Is that what you're saying? I just think they didn't hit the mark that you have to hit for this movie, but another movie could have these kills and be a better movie overall, and it wouldn't, yeah, it wouldn't hit it as hard. I see what you mean.

SPEAKER_01 12:43

I share a lot of these same sentiments, specifically with the kills. Some of them were so flat, and like Mac was referring to, like back to back flat, that I did laugh. There were certain things that were just so ineffective that they also made me laugh. Uh, and I was surprised that this movie wasn't as bad as I remembered it because in my mind I was like, oh, that third one was shit. And I was watching and I was like, oh, but I'm entertained by this shit.

SPEAKER_00 13:07

And in no way, in no way was this movie scary whatsoever. I'm sorry. It's just like there's no fear. I feel like the characters aren't even afraid in this movie.

SPEAKER_03 13:15

No, nothing was scary. The gore isn't scary, the deaths weren't scary, the killer isn't scary. Her wig is scary. They don't even know someone's killing people.

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So they don't even have anything to be afraid of in this movie. There's one person that knows that something bad's happening. Yeah.

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We definitely have a front runner for Wikiest Wig of the Year.

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Oh yes. Oh my god.

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How did I miss that?

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Well, there's two of them in this movie for Wikiest Wig. I was gonna say, I think it's the same wig. I mean, I would agree that this movie doesn't try to be scary, but it does try to lean into that camp direction. And this is something that I don't even think that the original Sleepaway Camp was particularly trying to scare the shit out of you, right? But the problem is it doesn't go hard enough in the right direction to compensate for not being scary. There are plenty of movies that we reviewed on this show that don't uh, you know, even tickle a sense of fear. But this one in particular, I think, tried to go try to go into one direction and then it kind of changed course and just lost itself on the way there. So it makes the lack of fear much more worse in comparison. And I think what ultimately breaks it down even more is just how repetitive and redundant this feels from the second movie. It feels like a hollow version of it, it feels like a watered-down version of the sequel because you got some one-liners, you got a couple little punchy moments, but largely it feels uninspired.

SPEAKER_00 14:41

This movie feels like if you poured plain seltzer water into an empty LaCroix can and then tried to pass that off as a new flavor.

SPEAKER_02 14:48

So here's the thing about this movie. I can tell you what happens in this movie, and you will have missed nothing. You there's I could just be like, hey, it's this scene and then this scene and then this scene. And me telling you is enough. You don't need to see it. You didn't miss anything. It's so shallow that there's there's not even enough. Like, I don't even think it's enough to make the comparison that you made. I feel like this isn't even seltzer water. This is tap water in a LaCroix can. Like, it's there's just nothing here.

SPEAKER_03 15:18

No, I agree. There is nothing here, and Chris, you mentioned it and kind of hit the nail on the head for me. Is I felt like I was watching the second movie again, just a little bit shittier. I was like, were they all still sitting at this table? I feel deja vu. Like I feel like I've watched this movie and may have already done the podcast. But nope, I am watching the third one. But it was, yeah, I just kept getting that vibe, and I kept getting like a Friday the 13th. Like it was just very like it did not feel original at all to me. Friday the 13th would be offended. It looks like it was trying to copy Friday the 13th for sure. Sometimes Friday the 13th doesn't have anything, but you know what? I'm still entertained in this.

SPEAKER_01 15:57

I think what Chris said really resonates with me in that the sequel to Sleep Way Camp was so derivative from the original source material, and then this one deviates even further that you've really just created something completely unrelated to the original source, and I don't think the result is very original at all. I will say a couple of the kills are original, but ultimately this movie not very original, except for the fact that maybe we have a trans woman being the moral compass of sex, drugs, and all things related to that. I think that's an original concept.

SPEAKER_04 16:30

Derivative certainly is disappointing, Paris, but I think one of the other things that disappointed me was this ending. Because I think we had the moment where it tried to almost redeem itself and try to, in some ways, end with a bang, but uh it gave me instead the sense of could it just be fucking over?

SPEAKER_00 16:49

Yeah, I mean the film is uh like a definitely a limpfish lay for sure. And when we get to the end, it's it's no more satisfying than what came before it. It is a very lackluster ending, and uh it has more action, it has a little bit more action kind of built up with our main character, but not really in any kind of meaningful or satisfying way.

SPEAKER_03 17:07

I was gonna say if you're looking at this movie as a whole, it's probably the better part of the movie. But if you're comparing it to anything you've ever seen, or just watch movies in general, you're like, all right, been there, done that. Um, yeah, Chris, on to the next. I'm done. This movie doesn't need to last any longer. Just freaking end.

SPEAKER_02 17:26

Yeah, I'm like actually kind of chill about the ending. Because honestly, at that point, it was just like, how many minutes till this is done? At least give me some kills, you know. So I didn't hate it. Maybe it maybe that's the best part of the movie. The ending might be.

SPEAKER_01 17:40

The ending was giving flop. I got it confused with the ending from Sleep Away Camp 2, and it looked like that was about to happen. I was like, no, that's definitely not what happens. And then the way it ends, I was like, oh yeah, that's that's how this one ends, and that's fine.

SPEAKER_04 17:53

Okay, so we can be here or there on the ending, but let's really see how this all ends up shaking out in our ratings. Now, before we actually score this movie, Alexis, how many people died? We had a total of 16 bodies in this movie.

SPEAKER_05 18:07

And what about the animal report?

SPEAKER_04 18:08

There's a little bit of sketchiness, but the animal report's mostly chill. All right, well, let's go ahead and get into our ratings then. Sleep away camp three, teenage wasteland from 1989. Was it a hacker slash?

SPEAKER_03 18:19

So I watched this movie twice. This is the second time. The first time I did not like it, but I wanted to give it a second chance. You know, I'm a fan of the second one. I love campy movies, so I had to. I'm like, this has to be some sort of redeeming value because I remember not liking it. But honestly, this movie really didn't have a plot. No likable characters, not even Angela. And honestly, no gore for 16 kills. I'm so disappointed. And we will talk more about it, but that's just gonna be my uh score. It is definitely getting a hack for me.

SPEAKER_00 18:50

The thing that I could use to best describe this movie is a reference to an old coworker of mine. If you were to walk up to this coworker and tell them what you thought was a really funny joke, they would have this response where they would just go, hmm, and then walk away. And that's how you would know that what you thought was hilarious was absolutely not funny whatsoever. It was just not interesting. They just didn't even want to be around you after you told it to them, and that's this movie. It's just bland. It's meh. The kills aren't interesting, the characters aren't interesting, they are complete caricatures, but not in like a funny way, not in like a deliberate horror comedy way, and that's really a missed opportunity here. I think this movie could have leaned more into Bean Camp because honestly, it should be making fun of itself at this point, but it just didn't, it didn't land it. It wasn't able, it that plane just kept flying. It never landed, it never crashed, it just kept flying. It was really boring. And that's that's kind of sad. It could have taken things one direction or another to spice it up somehow, but no, we just ended up getting another hack.

SPEAKER_02 19:46

Mac, you bring up an important point, and that is camp. And I am concerned, I know that there's gonna be someone out here in the world, possibly Paris, which frightens me, that likes this movie and cites the word camp as their reason for why. And I will absolutely not accept anyone using the idea of camp as the explanation for this movie, because this movie sucks. And it if if this is campiness, campiness sucks. And if that's what you want, you can have it, but the movie sucks, okay? I don't want that excuse. I don't want to hear that. I don't wanna we're gonna talk about it, but I don't want to talk about it because Paris is about to slash this and be like, it's so campy and cute, and the girls were pretty, and I'm gonna fight him. So there's that. The other thing is like there's so much absurdity in this movie. The number of boobs in this movie is so high that it's actually a negative instead of a positive, which is such a rare occurrence, and I don't like it. I don't want to be here to tell you that, but like it's too much boob. And then there's just like the use of of slurs, but like equal opportunity for all the slurs. Like they didn't just pick one thing to to be horrific about, they chose different demographics based on uh on money, based on race, based on all kinds of different things, and it's just it's just chaos. This movie is absurd, and it is truly one of the movies that I'm like, I hope someone enjoys listening to this because I'm sad that we all had to watch this. Okay, I don't like it. It's a hack.

SPEAKER_01 21:18

Once again, Ryan, not quite understanding camp. Ryan, I don't think this movie is particularly camp. I agree this movie is bad, it's objectively bad. But you're still you're still gonna slash it. But I enjoy it. The kills are so nonchalant and floppy that like I laughed, I was entertained, I had a good time. I know it's problematic, but a trans woman being this pillar of morality and just murdering people for the most minor infringements or inconveniences, that to me is great. And I love it. I was just thinking to myself, as y'all were slashing, I was like, or as y'all were hacking, I was like, they should definitely remake Sleepaway Camp, but how would they do it in a way that could be done today? And I was like, Wait, is that what they slash them is gonna be? Do we think that that's maybe the direction they're taking this in? I don't know. I'm super excited to watch it. Um, but yeah, this movie was entertaining to me. It is objectively bad, and I did enjoy it, and it is a slash from me.

SPEAKER_04 22:14

So here's the thing. I could buy that logic Paris from Sleepaway Camp 2. I can get it. This one, though, is a complete mockery of what even the second tried to be. I wasn't a fan of the second. I hacked it. This movie is so much further away from what can be good about Slepaway Camp. It somehow takes some concepts that are already problematic and then says, fuck it, let's add some more problems to it. And it doesn't do so with reverence, it doesn't do so with a good taste in its mouth, it doesn't do so to like set out and really make a statement that could be positive about anything. And it doesn't even really get the charm of the 80s that could have you say, well, things were just different back then, and aren't you so glad that we've made so much progress? No, this shit just feels bad every step of the way. This movie doesn't lean far enough into camp to be entertaining. This movie has two things that I can compliment it for, and only two, but we'll get there in the second half. This movie is a hack, and had we not watched Bunyman, it might be the worst movie I've seen this year.

SPEAKER_01 23:19

Wow. Definitely the worst in the series, hands down.

SPEAKER_03 23:22

Well, there's only three. There's not like there's just two more. No, there's four. There's four. Oh, there's four. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 23:28

The series of life, yes.

SPEAKER_01 23:30

I still won't be able to find four.

SPEAKER_04 23:31

Yeah, you won't be able to. It's not widely available. Because it's so bad. Which makes me want it more. It'll make you want it more in Paris, but I promise you, even if you like this, you are probably not gonna like the direction that that goes. I've no I say that, and then you're gonna like spite me just to just to prove me wrong. This movie though, Sleepaway Camp 3, Teenage Wasteland from 1989, you can find available for free on Pluto with ads. And apparently you can pay $6 to watch it twice, like Alexis did. But for now, it's earned four hacks and one single slash from Paris. Now, we want to know what you think on this, so pause, go check it out, or do some homework, do some research, then join us in the second half so we can all share our hatred together. We'll see you in a bit.

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SPEAKER_04 25:08

Welcome back, folks. You are now entering the spoiler zone for Slepaway Camp 3 Teenage Wasteland, which has earned four hacks and one slash. Now we have a lot to get to here, but before we get into the specifics of our ratings and how this movie profoundly disappointed us, we had the matter of gore to attend to.

SPEAKER_03 25:24

Surprisingly, with 16 deaths, there is a low gore. And I'm disappointed to say the least.

SPEAKER_00 25:31

How are you gonna mow somebody's head off and not have gore?

SPEAKER_03 25:34

No, the visuals are horrible.

SPEAKER_02 25:35

How are you gonna smack someone with a tree branch and play the same noise from the tree branch every single time? Over and over.

SPEAKER_03 25:45

I will give this movie credit for uh essentially having very cool kills if you could see them. Like if you like very interesting ones. Yes, conceptually, the kill content is there. But visually, the kill content is not there. It's not there. So unfortunately, you guys do have to pick your favorite kill this week, whether it be the lamest or the best, you choose.

SPEAKER_04 26:08

Right off the bat with Tawny Richards tricked into ingesting cleaning chemicals. Uh, that was fantastic, only because it was preceded by one of my favorite moments, which was uh her asking Angela where she could get some Coke, and Angela basically confusing it with actual Coca-Cola, which had so much product placement in this movie, and uh there just being a disconnect between the two.

SPEAKER_02 26:29

It was horrible. It was not great. Please don't say it was great. That was a perfect one-liner or two liners. Perfect if you're four, it was funny. Like if you're a child and it's a cartoon, it's funny. Listen, the disparity.

SPEAKER_00 26:42

This was the kind of kill this movie needed.

SPEAKER_02 26:44

I'm cool with the kill. It's the one-line nonsense about a Coke machine. Like, get out of my face. No, like you know, you know what I'm you know what I'm talking about. You know what? Where can I score? Like, what are you on about?

SPEAKER_00 26:54

Well, I mean, that was up there, right? Like it was a top kill, but I think a firecracker in the face, like that one was a good one. Because we actually got a disfigured face right afterwards.

SPEAKER_02 27:03

I feel like we've seen that kill before though.

SPEAKER_00 27:05

I mean, probably. I'm sure we have, but in this one, like rate, you know, come on. We've got kills where we get a flintstones like bat to the back of the head. Very lightly, this one was up there in this film.

SPEAKER_02 27:15

Yeah, I just want to point out for listeners that we have a list of them that we put together before the episode. And on several of these, it just says beaten lazily with a tree branch, which is a hilarious way to describe someone's death. But of course, those aren't my favorite kills. Those were probably the worst kills. My favorite is definitely the flagpole, the flagpole drop. One because it gave big wedgie energy at the beginning, which I thought was hilarious, and it felt like it might be like a fun ride, you know. And then, of course, we do at least like see a plummet. I wouldn't say we get to see like the after effects, but we see a plummet to the ground, which was something more than some other kills.

SPEAKER_04 27:56

I'm just not buying the physics of it because Angela is a bit scrawny, and I couldn't even get a 25-pound sandbag on my roof by like pulling it up with a rope. And I just don't think this was very practical.

SPEAKER_02 28:10

Okay, physics do say that pulleys mean you can pull up more than you can hold. Okay, so the pulley system does help. Okay, it's leverage. However, that definitely needed some WD-40, and I know that that flag bowl's been there for 5,000 years. So I'm sure you're correct about the physics of it all.

SPEAKER_04 28:27

Yeah, that just didn't seem like the best pulley system. It's designed for raising a flag, not a hundred plus pound human body.

SPEAKER_02 28:35

I mean, she was a grown woman playing a teenager, so um, she was light.

SPEAKER_01 28:40

It's actually also my favorite kill. It's the one that I remembered from this movie. It's probably the only thing I remembered re-watching this. Uh, but I just loved it because we get that like really rotted moment from Cindy just being like a bigoted bitch with bangs. And I was like, ugh. I remember the first time I saw it, I was like, kill her. And then Angela does. And I was like, fantastic. And she even says, You're a bigot, and now you did.

SPEAKER_05 29:00

Was that a bam bitch went down moment?

SPEAKER_01 29:02

Oh, that was literally a bam bitch went down moment by definition.

SPEAKER_02 29:05

Yeah, that is a great point. She did suck. I almost forgot how much she sucked, which made her death even better.

SPEAKER_03 29:10

So Cindy's death, along with Lily's, which is the lawnmower, was how the film was given an original X rating by the MPAA. I guess the MPAA representative told Michael Simpson, the director, that the women who screened this movie became physically ill, especially after watching Lily's death.

SPEAKER_02 29:31

The number of boobs wasn't an issue for these women. They had to throw up because of no no gore. But they were like, don't worry, we'll keep the milkers in.

SPEAKER_01 29:39

I did really like the Lily Lawnmower kill because of the originality of it. And I think Ryan Murphy probably did too, because they reused that kill in the show Scream Queens. They basically, in an attempt to haze these sorority girls, they bury them up to their heads in a lawn, and then the killer comes and mows one of them over.

SPEAKER_02 29:55

Except it was a ride mower, so it was never I'd like to give an honorable mention to the swinging axes, the twin swinging axe kill. I actually enjoyed that one. That was actually like one of the best parts of the ending for me, because it was uh quite abrupt, and then he's just stuck there tied to them.

SPEAKER_01 30:10

Yeah, that was a fun little booby trap.

SPEAKER_03 30:12

So mine's pretty lame, but it's gonna be Officer Whitmore's death. And I think because he was talking to her, because at this point he knows who Angela is, she's killed his son, and he's like, Oh, how are you gonna kill me? And then just lists off these like weird ass ways she has killed people, but she's like, Nah, I got a gun, and just shoots him, which I thought was brilliant of her. It's like one of like my favorite sort of things about this movie is her one-liners specifically. But you know, this movie, I I'm missing a lot from the second movie, which is her just killing people back to back and having this like energy, and she didn't really have that energy in this movie. It was just like, oh, I'm gonna kill you. I'm gonna hit you with a with some sort of like piece of stick. I don't even know.

SPEAKER_02 31:00

Like, you know, when you've been at a job for a little too long, and when you started there, you were like super enthusiastic and really excited to show up to work every day. You took a lot of time getting ready. You're like, I'm gonna go in, make a good impression, do all the things, be a part, an active part of meetings, and then and then you stay there for a few too many years, and then you roll up, you know, maybe 10 minutes late every day. You look like trash, you're tired, you don't participate in the meet in the meetings. People ask you what your goals are at the job, and you say to show up tomorrow. That's what this killer felt like.

SPEAKER_03 31:35

I feel like, yeah, she did have some emotion. She was enthusiastic about being at camp in sleepaway camp too.

SPEAKER_02 31:42

In two, she was excited. She's stoked to kill people. Now she's just like, God, I gotta kill people again. Like, I really have to walk around and kill all these people again. That's what it felt like, but not even in a fun way, just like in a not happy way.

SPEAKER_03 31:53

Like, oh, you talked, oh, you said something, oh, you're ding, you're dead, you're dead, you're dead. Yeah, I just, you know, they were they were it was so casual to me. Made me like her less in this movie and made me like the movie less, especially that there was no blood. But interestingly enough, the script originally contained more elaborate dust for the characters, which obviously changed because of budget reasons. So, including Herman's death, where he was supposed to have this flaming poker shoved into his crotch with um Angela proclaiming a weenie roast, which I would have loved this. I would have loved. Okay, that would have been camp. Agreed. That would have been total camp.

SPEAKER_02 32:32

It does sound fun, but this movie didn't need more elaborate kills. This movie needed a more elaborate story. We have kills, we need something else.

SPEAKER_03 32:42

But that would have added to camp, which probably would have made this movie better. And it's really cool because I did look on some deleted scenes, and I'll drop those in the show notes, but they were gorier, and I wish they would have kept that in because that would have gave this movie a little bit of edge. You know, if you're not gonna stay true to the original or the second or anything in this franchise, I mean just give it something different, give it some gore, give us something, and they didn't give us much.

SPEAKER_02 33:11

I think all good things were ruined by the MPAA in the 80s, basically.

SPEAKER_00 33:15

So I have I have a I have a like a visual that's part of a kill, right? That the kill itself is whatever, but the visual that I like was like the massive dump truck barreling down the street, chasing Maria, apparently, uh Miss Milkshake. Um just like chasing her down the street and then like swerving and everyone watching down the street. It was the most New York moment they could possibly capture is people just looking down the street as this massive dump truck is chasing someone to their death, and they're just thinking, like, please don't mess up like my walk to work, like get out of the way. I I just for some reason I love that because they didn't seem to react in a way that was just like, oh my god, this dump truck's gonna kill this girl. They're just kind of like, I don't know what y'all doing, like what's happening? And then of course it ends up smashing into her at the end in the most ridiculous way. Um, but there's something about being chased by a drum like by a dump truck that is just hilarious.

SPEAKER_03 34:04

Oh, I thought you were gonna say that you could like understand or have been in that situation.

SPEAKER_00 34:08

Well, first of all, go sideways.

SPEAKER_02 34:09

Somehow, Mac, you've managed to steal what I was gonna use as my visual element here because uh I'm not gonna lie, this movie's pretty ugly. It's just a bunch of people in the woods that look like trash buildings that we've already been into and nobody cares about, and like a set of tents that people are mostly naked in the whole time. So honestly, visually, this movie is very unappealing for me. It doesn't fuel me. I mean, if you want to see a really bad wig twice on two different people, there's that, but there's not much. I did really enjoy the beginning scene, and even like all the way into like stuff in the body into the dump truck, like that whole that whole bit was like actually kind of a good start to this movie.

SPEAKER_00 34:46

I mean, you didn't enjoy one half of Pen and Teller with a Playboy uh belt buckle on it, you know? How was it your thing?

SPEAKER_03 34:52

I'm happy y'all paid attention this hard to this movie.

SPEAKER_01 34:55

Well, I did, and you all have touched on the two visuals that I like the most of this movie because there's not a lot to choose from. But in the opening scene, just that close-up shot on the girl's tits and it says milkshake, I was like, that frame alone is on somebody's tumbler somewhere, and I would hit reblog. And then the close-up shot of the Playboy belt buckle as the denim fly is being unbuttoned. Like, if you completely remove that from the person it's attached to because that band was disgusting, that alone is a little bit of a vibe. And it was a it was a good shot.

SPEAKER_02 35:26

The Playboy bunny was really just uh such a different thing in this time. It's it's honestly as you watch this, it's kind of funny to like think about it for a moment. Like now people just wear it and it means literally nothing, but it was like a thing, it was like the pinnacle of horny men.

SPEAKER_03 35:43

It started becoming a thing, I feel like when the girls put the tattoo thing on before you went tanning. Because I was like, I don't think I'm allowed to do that. And then it became a thing after that.

SPEAKER_02 35:52

That was in our day, but it's it's meant a lot of things and been a big thing for a long time.

SPEAKER_01 35:58

I feel like Playboy got the most product placement right behind Coca-Cola in this movie.

SPEAKER_03 36:02

Very true. Next to those trash ass forests and trees, Ryan, is this immaculate lake that I have to say is very camp for this camp, and I appreciated it. And on it was just giving me Friday the 13th vibe. So, yes, the visual in this movie reminded me of another movie, which I appreciated.

SPEAKER_04 36:22

So here's the thing though, my favorite part of this movie visually is actually a moment where we get to the lake and she fishes out the mask from the dead camper in the previous movie. That's the hockey mask, and the joke is asking about the date, which is Saturday the 14th, the day after Friday the 13th. So in canon now, sleepboy camp 2 happens on Friday the 13th, and probably Thursday the 12th, Wednesday the 11th, Tuesday the 10th, you know, so on and so forth.

SPEAKER_03 36:51

Chris, that was also my favorite scene, and also them just camping are my favorite scenes. I don't really have one, but I love the mask drop in this. It was like a nod to the second, and that's the only thing I can give this movie.

SPEAKER_00 37:03

There's something that's kind of I don't know, entertaining about Angela losing it having to be like the mom around the other campers when they're just trying to camp successfully. And like I'll be the one that has to like gut the fish, or I'll be the one that has to like put this together or that together. Like that part was really entertaining because it kind of shows her as a person, whereas the rest of the movie is just her going kabong with a with a tree limb. Um, but like when she's judging them hardcore and how lazy they are, that part like I understand like lazy people can can be really annoying when you're trying to achieve a goal and you're supposed to be doing this as a team because sharing is caring, and that's the point of this camp. But like them being like, Oh, I don't want to do that, ew, and then she's like, Oh, fine, I'll take care of it. Like that's that those are my favorite scenes was when they're just trying to camp and she has to teach them how.

SPEAKER_02 37:51

So I think my favorite scene is actually one that I think we could say is campy. Okay, hear me out. When we have Riff kicking in the tent for like so long, and the whole like music thing is just over and over and over again happening, and then she throws a tape into the tent, and he's just like, I'll just turn off the music that I've been listening to, and I'll just play this tape that just popped out of nowhere. Angelo's hot mixtape. It's like spoken word into his death. You know, that was one scene where I'm like, uh okay, I get the I get the chaos of it. This is supposed to be funny. It was a little funny. He was a little funny. That's the best I have for a favorite scene.

SPEAKER_04 38:32

I am impressed that you had the generosity in your soul to find that even close to being part of like a favorite scene because it's one of the worst parts of the movie for me. The whole movie sucks so much.

SPEAKER_02 38:42

It at least was funny.

SPEAKER_01 38:43

Uh, so my favorite scene is a scene that the first time I watched this movie, I was like boring, flop, skip. And it's because I had just watched Sleep Way Camp 1 and 2, and it's the long, exact footage flashback from Sleep Way Camp 2 of her singing uh I'm such a happy camper and having like the best camper badge on. And I won't go as far as to claim that this was the intention of the movie at all, because I don't think this movie had any intention whatsoever going into it. But I couldn't help but think of the trans experience and how she was longing for a life that she knows she'll never have as just like a happy camper. And I am totally projecting my own experience onto this, but I was like moved by that scene in a way I wasn't anticipating this time around.

SPEAKER_02 39:28

Not you pulling a Chris Rojas right now and making a deep moment.

SPEAKER_01 39:33

I know. And I like I said, I don't think the movie intended to do this in any way. That is just how it hit me today.

SPEAKER_05 39:39

I'll give you a 6.7 on that landing. I'm glad you felt something, Paris, because I didn't feel anything except dread.

SPEAKER_04 39:46

Okay, well, I can, I think, if you want to go deep for just one brief moment. One of the things that from the opening line, you have Maria who's listening to her mom uh fight with another relative in their New York City apartment, and she's like, I'm going to camp today, and I mean I might not come back. And it's like, oh shit, but you really are gonna walk out of that door and die. Like you really are leaving, and the people around you don't know that yet, and that's that's a real big bummer. That's really grim.

SPEAKER_03 40:16

Paris, you mentioned these flashbacks, and it's interesting because I had a different takeaway. I thought they were trying to add depth to Angela by doing those because I for a second they caught me off guard. I'm like, oh, she she became this like troubled person throughout this movie because I was getting those flashbacks in real time. This whole movie, she's just been flat. So, you know, but it has this contrast where I see her from Slepaway Camp 2, and I'm like, wow, she's so bubbly, she loves this camp atmosphere. She's she's really like happy, and then you see the demise of Angela in the second one, and then this one it's just she just level all the time, and I just can't back that. And I and I hate the camp, I hate the campers, I hate the counselors more than anything.

SPEAKER_00 41:08

The flashback, goodness, it just made me think about how good her hair looked in the second film. Yeah, I missed it. I was like, goddamn this wig.

SPEAKER_02 41:16

I know we're talking about favorite scenes, but I I think we need to take a moment here to address the worst part of this movie before we have to unfortunately say best parts. And it's the incessant, intentional, specific and uh overbearing use of slurs for people for no reason. And then the the the we're we're bringing poor people and people who have money and putting them at camp together to some mix them up. Like, what are you on about and why are you on about it? Because it's not like these things were addressed, it's like they were like, it's like they were like advertised. Like this was we didn't fix anything, we didn't talk about anything, we didn't learn anything. They were just like, dude, we're racist. Have you seen us?

SPEAKER_04 42:06

Yeah, right. And that's the bigger problem, right? All the characters in this movie suck. I don't think there's a single really truly redeemable one. And when you look at the even in the attentions of the people who are putting together the camp, they're scamming people. They're getting paid by the government to bring in people from lower incomes or or uh what they describe as like underprivileged areas, or they're charging obscene prices to uh to kids who are from uh you well-to-do families. And the whole approach and like the the intent to have a mix of like socioeconomic backgrounds or to bring different cultures and and and races or different walks of life into one common experience, it didn't even go two steps really in the right direction to justify any of the fucking nonsense in this movie and the vicious use of slurs. Like sometimes those things are used in movies and it dates it and it cements it within its time. This movie it was it was just completely fucking unnecessary. There were caricatures, as you said.

SPEAKER_02 43:11

I feel like, you know, in most movies, there's like maybe someone that is this way or something, right? And that's usually what dates it. I I won't believe that this is what a group of humans in 1989 in this setting would say to each other. I I just won't believe it. Like, even the people who are in minority groups are horrible to other people in my other minority groups in this movie. Like it's just so bad. And it's a little bad and then gets worse and worse, and you're just like, all right, cool. We're just why are we watching this? It's bad. Like, maybe one of the worst sets of like just use of slurs that we've seen in a movie. I would totally agree with that.

SPEAKER_00 43:48

It was definitely that they wanted Cindy to give us Grand Torino vibes, 100%. They're like, What if old white people were a 17 year old white girl? And that was Cindy. Just every slur she could think of. In Gran Torino, they the the old white men are talking to each other and call each other names based on all sorts of backgrounds, and they're like, no, kid, it's okay to do this. Like, we're fine with it to offend each other because we can deal with it because we're men. And and it seemed like that's what Cindy grew up with was just like, just call everyone a slur, and that's how you treat them equally, because that's what she did constantly. And in front of people without even like, I don't know, her facial expression didn't even change. She was like, I'm just gonna use the hard R here and think nothing of it because that's what my parents did.

SPEAKER_02 44:30

Yeah, it was terrible. I think uh even aside from that, I don't see what you could like about any of these characters. Uh some of them have funny moments, you know, like we were talking about Riff, but none of them are good characters, none of them have a good story, none of them say anything important or relevant or necessary, none of them say anything that you'll ever miss if you don't hear it.

SPEAKER_01 44:50

Yeah, generally characters are fully unredeemable. Even Angela, I had a hard time like getting behind because yeah, she's still trying to like protect that camp experience, but like at this point it's kind of just off the rails, and it's like, oh, your motivation isn't quite as sturdy as it was for the last movie. And then it was interesting that she was like, Okay, you two are a cute couple, I'm gonna let you live. And like that was her growing or being nice or something, because at the end, like when they stab her in the stomach with the axe, she's like, you know, you try to do something nice for somebody. And I was like, but like why? What was like what moment happened that made you be like, these two deserve to live? It didn't really feel earned and it didn't make a lot of sense. So the characters were definitely giving flop in this movie. Uh, having given this a slash, I do have to say, worst part, not hard. The movie is bad. I think the worst part is how, like Alexis was saying, I feel like they filmed a lot more of the kills than we got to see because it always felt like they cut away from like a large blood splatter. And I'm like, where's the footage of the blood splatter? Like, show me the actual kills. But the way we got like no satisfying like kills, we kind of got uh Lily decapitated for like a split second with like maggots coming out of her neck stump. But at that point, I'm like, what, you buried the bitch and then you dug her back up to put her in a lawn chair just for this gag. I don't know, but the lack of kills was definitely the worst part for me.

SPEAKER_04 46:10

That was feeling very Mrs. Voorhees, and I will say that the best part of this movie is again just that subtle tie to Friday the 13th. I I told you I only had two compliments to this movie, and they were both connected, so there you have it.

SPEAKER_00 46:24

Is there a best part to this movie? I've had to ask myself this question this entire time, and I can't really think of one. Like, like good job on the boost, yay, I guess. That's kind of the only thing I could think of.

SPEAKER_03 46:32

I like a few of the one-liners in the comedy. I mean, I had to pick and choose what I like though. Jokes about Angela throughout the movie being old, I thought were funny. Cause like, yeah, she is old and no one's catching on, like, or even like you all mentioned, how do they not know this existed? It's only a year later. But I love all the Ohio references. I feel like there's two of them. Um, I was a big fan of them. So any movie that has Ohio references, I will take.

SPEAKER_00 47:00

How did the cop not recognize her?

SPEAKER_02 47:02

Uh again, we're talking about she's there a year later.

SPEAKER_00 47:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 47:07

And everyone's like, Oh my god, you're in a wig. Who are you?

SPEAKER_04 47:10

Well, they went through that whole stretch and that all that effort to make sure that they state that no one has pictures of her, no one knows what she looks like.

SPEAKER_02 47:19

So, Alexis, you bring up a good point about Ohio, and the best that I can do for this movie is an ironic best part, and it is the fact that Tony thinks he's gonna have sex with a girl. So he one feeds into her stereotypes of him, and then two is like, we're gonna have sex, I'm moving to Ohio. And like, that's hysterical. Because if you're moving to Ohio because you're gonna have sex with a girl, bless your little heart. And we're gonna be together forever, and we're gonna be together forever. He's like, I mean, it's never clear that he's playing her, but everything he says is he's playing her. He's literally like, yeah, we're all in gangs. This is not going to Ohio for sex. This is being somewhere else, meeting a girl from Ohio, her saying, if we're gonna have sex, you have to wear a condom, and then you saying, I'm moving to Ohio, as if anything about this sold Ohio to you. Nothing would sell Ohio to you but sex, probably. Exactly. And and I will stand by. I think he's playing her the whole time. And I'd like if there's a fourth one that we could see somewhere, which I'm sure you guys will torture me with at some point, he better be like, Oh yeah, I left her on the side of the road because he's playing her the whole time.

SPEAKER_00 48:37

Can I can I change my answer on best part of the movie now? Because I think my new favorite best part when I think about it is the fact that she turns around and is like, Oh, I have a boyfriend. After all of that. That honestly, that is now the best part of the movie to me.

SPEAKER_02 48:50

Oh, yeah, you're right. I totally forgot about that. Yeah, they're a hot mess. That is the best part of this movie, is them two playing each other. That's exactly what it is. This that's the best part.

SPEAKER_00 48:59

Is that what happens at camp?

SPEAKER_02 49:01

Yeah. I'm actually pretty sure it is.

SPEAKER_01 49:04

So as far as rewatchability goes, it's giving no, right?

SPEAKER_05 49:07

It's giving hard no. Never again will I will I bother to view this.

SPEAKER_02 49:14

It's giving like this is now my barometer for how bad a movie is. Like, how bad is it? You know, like what level of bad are we at? Is it giving Halloween 2 or is it giving Sleep Way Camp 3? Let me know. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 49:26

Yeah, this is this is definitely an unwatched movie, let alone a rewatch movie.

SPEAKER_01 49:30

But if somehow it's on in the background, it's an easy background watch for me, but I'm not going out of my way.

SPEAKER_03 49:36

Definitely not watching this again.

SPEAKER_02 49:37

Paris. This movie makes no sense. I never want to watch it again. It's a slash.

SPEAKER_04 49:41

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 49:42

I had fun, but I had more fun with the second one.

SPEAKER_04 49:45

Well, clearly we want to leave this film buried in the past, even the one person who slashed it. But before we bury it in the ground, Mac, let's see what you have for fact or fiction.

SPEAKER_00 49:54

Number one, many of the characters in this movie got their names from the Jetsons, the Flintstones, and Happy Days.

SPEAKER_03 50:00

Fact. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 50:01

I'm gonna say fiction.

SPEAKER_01 50:02

None of those names, I think, were in this movie.

SPEAKER_03 50:05

Yeah, Robbie Stark. Don't know who that is, but that's someone on here. Um, fiction.

SPEAKER_00 50:10

This is a fiction. However, many of them did get their names from West Side Story, the Brady Bunch, and the Munsters. Some notable ones, Greg, Marsha, Peter, Jan, Bobby, and Cindy.

SPEAKER_03 50:21

Killer people names.

SPEAKER_00 50:22

Yes, but like deliberately, you know, from the Brady Bunch.

SPEAKER_03 50:24

Did not pick up on that at all.

SPEAKER_00 50:26

Well, number two, the reporter's red Ferrari became an expensive prop in the film as it was a rental, and spots of fake blood stained the interior.

SPEAKER_02 50:33

I think fiction, someone owned this car and used it in the film. I'm gonna say fact.

SPEAKER_01 50:38

I'm with Ryan. That's exactly what I was thinking. Fiction.

SPEAKER_00 50:41

This is a fiction, however, it was an expensive rental, and only the director was allowed to drive it. They also had to protect it constantly from any fake blood because, you know, budgets.

SPEAKER_02 50:50

To be fair, technically, only the person that rents a car is supposed to drive it anyway. You know, this is regular rental policy.

SPEAKER_00 50:57

Number three. Riff was originally scripted to spit on Cindy, but Riff's actor Daryl Wilcher didn't feel comfortable doing it.

SPEAKER_02 51:03

I'm hoping this is a fact. Nothing in this movie gives me I didn't feel comfortable doing that vibe, so I think I'll go fiction.

SPEAKER_00 51:11

I'm thinking fact too, I think because I want this to be true. This is a fact. Even though Kim Wall, who played Cindy, was apparently cool with getting spit on, he didn't want to do it. So that's how you get a bowl of oatmeal to the face.

SPEAKER_02 51:24

And he's like, I can't.

SPEAKER_00 51:25

And number four, the film's subtitle, Teenage Wasteland, came from a 1985 Rolling Stone article about the prevalence of serious drug use in 80s teen circles.

SPEAKER_02 51:35

Total fact. I'm gonna say fiction because I d hate the subtitle of this movie, and I feel like it's just like very meh and uh kind of like throwaway. Maybe they I don't know, didn't think about it a lot. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 51:46

I'm gonna say fiction because I think it was a song, wasn't it? It is a fiction because it was from a song, Baba O'Reilly from The Who, and I'm so disappointed that the two of you just don't remember how that song goes. Like there's a there's that hook. Teenage Wasteland.

SPEAKER_02 52:00

I watched whatever show that was this the the intro music for.

SPEAKER_00 52:04

Yes, so that was one of the director's favorite songs, and that's where the subtitle of this movie came from, and that's been fact or fiction.

SPEAKER_04 52:10

Well, there you have it, folks. Sleep away camp three, Teenage Wasteland Hazard, four hacks, and one slash. Now we certainly had a lot to talk about here, but it doesn't end here by any means. We want to know what you think. Did you think this movie was objectively bad and yet you still love it? Or did you side with the majority of us who hated it? Let us know. You can join in on the conversation for free by hanging out with us in our Discord. You can click the link in our show notes to sign up.

SPEAKER_01 52:34

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SPEAKER_04 52:48

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