254: Friday the 13th Part VI: Jason Lives (1986)

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I'm a sexy camper. Greetings and salutations, and welcome to Hacker Slash. If you're joining us again, welcome back. Darling, you're gonna be the death of me. If this is your first time listening, welcome to the party. We are a horror movie review podcast dedicated to telling you whether a movie is a hack.

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A total joke, a waste of time.

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Or a slash.

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Totally killer, unintended.

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We believe horror is for everyone, and as such, we're rating these movies with a perspective we've gained from our varying walks of life and the flavors of fear we fancy most. My name is Chris, I'm your friendly neighborhood slasher enthusiast. This week I'm joined by the Superfly Space Guy Mac, Crystal Lake, where this nightmare began. The classic horror connoisseur Sean.

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Well, I ain't gonna touch the slimy sucker.

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And the paranormal paramour, Biggs. Some folks sure got a strange idea of entertainment. This week we're revisiting a classic slasher franchise that we last covered back in episode 213. Before we get to dig up this grape, though, we have some follow-up.

SPEAKER_00 1:03

Let's follow up on some stuff. So as this episode comes out, it's gonna be the first of two Fridays, the 13th, in 2023. The next Friday, the 13th, this year, we're gonna get together in person at our first ever hackerslash meetup and live show.

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This is so great. I cannot wait for it.

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I know, me too. I'm super pumped.

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I'm also pumped about the people in the chat who are right now saying that they're gonna be there.

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I'm like, fuck yeah, let's go. This is true.

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Can't wait to see you all.

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Yeah, it's gonna be a party.

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Coming down from Canada.

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Well, we've already started to get ready. We know that uh Binks and Chris have notoriously been in planning stages recently, and in which point a uh possessed phone might have shown up. Uh but you know, we need your help here as well to make sure that we are getting things headed in the right direction. So visit links.hackerslash dot live slash 2023 meetup to complete our interest survey so we can figure out like how many people want to go, how many people can go, and which city we're actually going to go to. So that's links.hackerslash dot live slash 2023 meetup, and it's also listed down in our show notes for this episode. And that's our follow-up.

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Well, this week we're traveling back to 1986 to check in on a prominent machete wielding slasher. When we revisited this franchise last year, a 17-year-old Tommy Jarvis was struggling to cope with a trauma he endured the night Jason Voorhees murdered his mother and a group of teenagers. While in that movie, Tommy ended up facing off with a copycat killer. This time he's confronted by a freshly reanimated Jason. And Jason's out for revenge. This week we're talking about Friday the 13th, part six, Jason Lives. Who's seen this one before?

SPEAKER_01 2:43

This is a classic slasher franchise, right? I've definitely seen any variety of these films a bunch of times over the years. Uh, it's all kind of a blur, really, uh, when I'm trying to differentiate all the different ones and what took place. It's never been my favorite franchise, but it's also not the worst thing out there. I know the franchise has gained a ton of popularity, and I think it attracts a certain crowd for sure.

SPEAKER_05 3:06

Yeah, I think for me, of all of the movies, I really just remember the first one the most and most vividly. At this point, it's all a blur. But I actually, having finished it today, I actually think I didn't see this one. Like having watched it, there weren't really many things I would have remembered or like that I remember at all that some that seemed even familiar. So I think this actually might have been a fresh watch for me, but just goes to show you how long ago I've seen any Friday the 13th movie. I feel like at this point, I've probably just seen them in out of order, maybe seen a few, not others. It's all a mess. It's a rite of passage. It does feel that way.

SPEAKER_01 3:43

Did you do the the whole the whole marathon?

SPEAKER_05 3:46

I so yeah, so I did do the whole marathon till six. So I'm gonna take a beat for sure. But like of the previous movies, there were some parts that I remembered, which makes me feel like okay, maybe I did watch this when I was much younger. Others, like this one in particular, that I didn't remember a single thing. So that's where I'm like, maybe I just watched these movies like way out of order. Like it was just randomly on TV, and I was like, okay, this is not sequential, you know? When it definitely is, who knows?

SPEAKER_00 4:15

I I can actually tell you when I watched this last. It was three years ago when I was doing my own little binge. I made it through part seven, uh, but then I stopped there. I didn't go to eight. So I set a cap, I guess, or I just ran out of time.

SPEAKER_02 4:28

You didn't go to Manhattan?

SPEAKER_00 4:30

I did not. I didn't I stopped before making it uh to Manhattan. So um yeah, this this is my second time in three years watching it, but my second time ever at the same time as well.

SPEAKER_01 4:39

Interesting. You know what's really funny about eight or Jason Takes Manhattan or whatever it is, that's the like outside of the original, which I own and I watch often, uh, that's the one that I remember the most because for some reason I remember getting it from a fucking blockbuster with my dad visiting him in Colorado as a kid, and I just I don't know, that's one that just stays in the back of my mind for some reason.

SPEAKER_02 5:04

There's a lot of memorable moments in that one. Like there's a punch decapitation that's pretty fucking terrific. Also, the ending of that movie is a little bizarre. Jason visits New York City for a few minutes, really, is what it should have been called. Uh, but this one in particular, I I've seen it several times, and especially since I usually do a Friday the 13th binge every Friday the 13th. But let me tell you, by the time we get to this point in the franchise, I'm usually semi-checked out. And at that point, it's really there on for like vibes, ambiance, and background noise. That's really where it ends up falling. So I was surprisingly walking into this with the expectation of been there, done that. There's no way this movie's gonna surprise me.

SPEAKER_01 5:49

Yeah, yeah. You know, I kind of know what I'm signing up for with these films, right? I'm gonna see some variation of dumb, horny teenagers and a shit ton of kills.

SPEAKER_05 5:57

Yeah, and it felt it felt that way as well. But yeah, I think having seen all the other ones, and like I said, wasn't sure if I'd seen some, others was some were more familiar than others. I just was like, okay, part six, what am I gonna get now? You know, it seems like all of them just get more ridiculous. Take like the overarching concept and just add one other element that's just absurd. And I feel like, you know, we the same could be said about all these other major slasher franchises, right? But I think for me, I was just expecting like, all right, how much more revenge could this man possibly get? And how much more like sexy campers and the whole bit can I take, really?

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Man, that's just making me think of uh sleepaway camp 2, I'm a happy camper. And now in my head I have I'm a sexy camper.

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Even more sex, even more revenge.

SPEAKER_05 6:45

Is that not the slogan for the Friday the 13th franchise, honestly?

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Because man, horny campers is the brand for sure.

SPEAKER_01 6:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 6:51

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 6:52

I honestly didn't even think about the horny campers when it came to this movie. My my memory of it was that it was going to be full of like camp, uh goofiness, just a lot of silliness. I think like the whole like the central idea behind this film I just remember as being incredibly goofy, and and that's really what I held on to. Like this is this is the part in the franchise where they really jump the shark. Usually is a bad term, but here it's more of an entertaining term, I guess. And while watching it, yeah, you know, there's a lot of camp, right? There's a lot of silliness, a lot of goofiness. But I also realized that like Jason is completely badass in this film. Like he just kills without giving two F's. He just like storms through. And that was one of the things that like I guess I didn't think about it, like thinking back to this movie and when I watched it last, but like I'm sitting here watching this going, like, man, if if we took the camp out of this, this would just be this dude just tearing apart human beings.

SPEAKER_01 7:45

Yeah, I can see that for sure. I I think you know, uh, the camp I'm there for, I think it did add uh value to the film. I think watching this, because I hadn't really visited the franchise in a long time, and I definitely didn't do a marathon leading up to this one. I just popped this one on, and uh the feeling that I got uh it really just reminded me of uh just how strange this franchise really gets, right? Like the when you really think about it, the timeline is all fucked up. Like the storyline gets convoluted at times. It's one of the most disorganized franchises in the horror realm, in my opinion. But it's fun, you know, I'm there for it. Here's the thing, right? Jason's like a young kid when he dies, right? That's what you see at the end of the first film, and then like all of a sudden he's a grown adult. Cool, whatever. Doesn't need to make sense, I guess. We're just here for a good time. And you know, we're talking about the movie leading up to this, right? He's not even the killer in that movie, right?

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Because he did. I say you he did.

SPEAKER_01 8:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:46

I think actually, I can name two franchises that are a little bit more fucked up on the history before Friday the 13th, and that is Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

SPEAKER_03 8:54

Okay, uh and Amityville. Yeah.

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Amityville in all its fucking realms.

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Yeah.

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Truly. Because okay, in this one, yeah, they had to really they back themselves into a corner reverse engineering Halloween, they really had to just bring Jason back for part two. But from there, two, three, four, amazing succession like between themselves. And I actually really respected like the order of events that we had here. I think this is the point in the franchise where shit starts to get weird timeline-wise.

SPEAKER_01 9:24

Yeah, for sure. But don't you see like, I don't know, I I I'm not giving away anything in this film, but don't you see like Jason at like pop up at the end in some films and then his mother pop up in some other films? Like, it just gets freaking strange.

SPEAKER_02 9:38

Hallucinations.

SPEAKER_01 9:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 9:40

I'm telling you, overall, it's just one of one of the two, and it's just can continuing on all the time in every movie. Yeah. But here's what I will say despite it all, I felt like I was less turned off by the movie, and that exactly, like it felt less cheesy and more entertaining than I expected, and I felt like I was actually more invested in the movie than I had the previous like its predecessor, and maybe even four as well, to be honest.

SPEAKER_02 10:12

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So it's interesting that you go there because I think it's funnier intentionally than a lot of the other movies.

SPEAKER_03 10:19

For sure.

SPEAKER_02 10:20

Like it leans into that comedy.

SPEAKER_05 10:21

It the the comedy lands. And I how often do we find, like, especially in this era of movies, that the that the comedic bits are just off the one before? Oh gosh, I just I wasn't even, I was barely paying attention. I was just like, oh my gosh, please let it end. Um, I didn't feel this way. And and I think that that's pretty rare, right? Because typically, six movies in, any movie that continues past like maybe two or three at that point, you're like, how much more can of this entire franchise can I take? I'm very disconnected. I feel like it pulled me back in more than I anticipated. So yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:56

Yeah, I think one of the things that I also felt, you know, was considering how interesting it is that this movie kicks off with such a monumentally bad fucking idea, but then it's somehow peppered in with people who actually are trying to have some iota of rational sense. Like typically these movies are just 100% bad decisions by everybody, but in here, you get people who realize, oh wait, this is some danger. We should get the fuck out of here. And I think that's an interesting take for this franchise. Obviously, this is also a movie that treats sex and nudity very differently from every movie that's come before it in the franchise, for sure. And it's also one of those that does something different by the time we get to the sixth century in the franchise, which is wild. Although I do admit this is, you know, we talk about like the sense of smell in horror movies. This is one that really frustrates me because if I were anybody in this fucking movie, I would have woken up or been alerted to his presence because of how terrible that fucking rotting corpse must have smelled. Why does nobody react to this shit?

SPEAKER_00 12:01

Well, they notoriously had a horrible sense of smell in the 80s. You know, that's just the thing, right?

SPEAKER_02 12:06

It's just the BO and the lack of deodorant. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:09

Yeah, you know, no antiperspirant.

SPEAKER_02 12:10

Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure. It smells like woods. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 12:14

Sure, sure, yeah. Something something like that.

SPEAKER_02 12:17

Something like that for sure. Yeah. Let me tell you though, I I said earlier that I expected this movie to have no tricks up its sleeves. But I am actually surprised by how disappointed I was in, and I'm preparing to be really called out for this. I was disappointed in Tommy Jarvis. And I've seen this movie enough times to know how it starts, but for some reason, how it starts never really sunk in with me. And I always had a much higher opinion of him. And watching this again and seeing how much this really is just all of his fucking fault really changes my whole view of him. It was like I was surprised by how much more this movie feels like it's leaning into comedy, but it doesn't all like distract me enough from just how shitty Tommy is.

SPEAKER_00 13:03

So I hope they reboot the entire franchise. And I hope in the first 10 minutes of the reboot, they kill Tommy Jarvis's character. Just like, no, you're not allowed back. That's it, you're dead. Because I I agree, probably one of the most annoying characters in Friday the 13th. I'm gonna say I was actually surprised by how meta this was, though, because in my first viewing, I I I got a lot of the camp, but I didn't realize like how heavy on the meta this film really, really went. It went hard in the paint, and I didn't pay attention to that. And this time I was able to, and it it kind of caught me by surprise.

SPEAKER_01 13:39

That is a good point for sure. I think one, you know, just to get back to to Tommy, right? I think there is no Tommy without Corey Feldman. I think that's the only true real Tommy, and and uh let's just bring him back. If there's you can kill him off, whatever, but if you're gonna make another reboot and you're bringing Tommy back into it, just get this kid back in here. Well, not a kid anymore.

SPEAKER_02 14:02

I would have taken tortured Tommy over this Tommy. Yeah. I would have taken Tommy's sister over Tommy. There are so many other directions that this could have gone. And again, like I played Friday the 13th, the game, and you know, there are moments where you can be Tommy Jarvis and come save the day. And I'm like, they really made this man seem a lot more badass than he actually is. And we know through that game's canon that Trish lived. We know that his sister lived. So where the fuck has she been this whole time? Like, let's give us someone else, right, who's working on her trauma and processing and can be a final girl because Tommy wasn't it.

SPEAKER_00 14:38

He's Tommy Doyle. That's like this Tommy is that Tommy.

SPEAKER_02 14:42

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 14:43

He's that character.

SPEAKER_02 14:45

The evil's already dead, but it dies again tonight after I bring it to life.

SPEAKER_01 14:49

Jeez. Uh, with the silliness though, okay, what what is with the 007 intro? Really? Like, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_02 14:56

It was supposed to be campy.

SPEAKER_01 14:58

I know it was supposed to be campy, but I was like, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_02 15:01

It was supposed to be a bit, and let me tell you, there are a lot of things that I dislike in this movie, and that intro isn't one of them. It's so hilariously like 80s to me that I it it hits in a sweet spot.

SPEAKER_05 15:13

I definitely did see that intro and paused it. Like paused it. I'm sorry, am I am I watching the actual movie or what did I see?

SPEAKER_01 15:19

Yeah, what did I just watch? What did I just see?

SPEAKER_05 15:22

Maybe that was my disappointment already. But you know, we're talking so much about Tommy, and I think for me, the surprise of it all is that the other characters in this film were really enjoyable. Like I had a good time, I had a laugh. Even some characters that we only see for like seconds, they had great dialogue. They really carried the film for me enough where, like I said, I enjoyed it, I had a good laugh, I had a good time, kept it really entertaining. I was surprised. I thought everybody else would kind of be just as like, you know, again, there's not enough substance to them, like I felt like in the previous film.

SPEAKER_02 15:53

Substance, I think, is certainly lacking from A, so many movies in this franchise, but then B, even like from what you come to expect in Friday the 13th. But what I think was a pleasant surprise here was that we get a badass Jason. He's like a Terminator Jason, but you you're not really scared of that. You're six movies into this franchise, you know what you're gonna get. I don't think even now anybody would really be scared to watch this. But something that it does well is actually give us kids in a summer camp because that was an added note of tension. Yeah, we had Tommy in you know in part four.

SPEAKER_03 16:27

True.

SPEAKER_02 16:27

But this is the first one where we have campers, like a mass grouping of children whose lives are in danger. And obviously, like I've seen this movie enough to know which way things kind of go, but I think even then watching it again now, it just felt a little bit more tense.

SPEAKER_01 16:45

Yeah, this is true. I'll you know what though? I'll tell you what surprises me the most. I'm genuinely surprised that people are still sending their kids to this fucking camp. That's what I'm surprised about. I mean, fuck, seriously.

SPEAKER_05 16:57

Yes, I feel the same exact way. Parents, do better.

SPEAKER_01 17:01

Jeez, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 17:02

It's wild. While we're watching it though, we get to a scene in which Jason and children are near each other, and my wife is literally like, Does he kill kids? I had to think for a second. I was like, I don't remember if he'll like if he's in his like code if he would kill kids. So it and but I think that's good that they do that because I think everyone hits that point where they're like, oh, he's gonna kill them, like he can. Is he going to? We don't know. You know, so it is nice for them to like put them in a in a place where there is risk. There is risk of of of of pain, of death, of maiming, of whatever. Because and so many other films, you're like, oh no, they won't hurt them, whatever. They're just gonna keep painting the camera and everything's gonna work out. And like, this is one of those places we're thinking, well, that's not a teen. I'm not gonna root for them to get decapitated or get their arms torn off or anything like that. Now there is a level of concern. So that's I think you're right, Chris, that they're able to actually achieve that here. That's that's good.

SPEAKER_01 17:56

I think that's great. It's a good point because it it does add, um, it does add tension, it builds a certain emotion because for the most part, you know, and I can speak for myself here too. It's like the last thing I want to see is is a kid getting killed. That's just not something I'm down for. But I do feel like it builds a certain emotion in you when you're watching it, right? And so it does add to the movie.

SPEAKER_00 18:17

I I think this movie, it's part six. You guys have mentioned that a couple times, and you can't you can't really expect to go a completely different direction to where you're shocked by what's happening on screen. Like it's Jason, you know, Jason's gonna kill some people probably with a machete for at least several of them. But I think it's what you do with the material that keeps it interesting or not. And I I can't give them any originality points here. You know, we can give them some some tension points for sure, but it's not original, but like this isn't the Jason we've necessarily seen. They took it a different direction as a film for Friday the 13th. This completely went a different direction, so they get they get points for that, I think.

SPEAKER_02 18:56

No, for sure. I think okay, yes, having the kids there added sense of danger, 100% a new take. But something else, and I alluded to this earlier, we have never nudes in this movie. Come the fuck on, guys. This is the first movie in the franchise to have zero nudity, even though it still has a painfully awkward sex scene. And I think it's bizarre because like the producers were vying for it and championing having a uh you know, having some nudity in there. And when the director went to approach the actress who plays Nikki, he has to take her top off. She was just caught off guard because they hadn't talked about it. So she didn't have qualms about it. Like, and she didn't have qualms about nudity in general, but she still said no, people were like, Well, where's where's this coming from? We haven't negotiated this up to this point. And I think it's wild that like, yes, the producers didn't get their way. This wasn't what was intended to be for this movie, but I think the movie is so much better for that. And again, you're doing something new six movies into the franchise.

SPEAKER_05 19:56

Yeah, I have to agree that the overarching plots may not necessarily be too original, I guess, to some extent, but the fact that they changed it up enough to where me as a viewer that, you know, I I I guess at this point it's safe to say this might have been my first viewing, right? So, like as a as a first-time watcher, feels like we're fresh, kind of like taken back into the franchise, felt more like, all right, they've hooked me back in, they've pulled me back in. There's gotta be some, you know, gotta give them some props for that, I think.

SPEAKER_01 20:26

So here's the thing. I don't, I don't think that the film needs to be super original to be a success. You know, when we think about originality, we think about, you know, there's all kinds of weird things with this film. Like the the there's parallels here, or call it whatever you want. There's a lot of things that feel like it's taking tidbits from Halloween, right? Like you see little things that Jason does, the head nod, uh, you think see some, you know, without giving anything really away because we're not in that section yet, but kills placed in certain areas and different things like that. There's a lot of nods to the Halloween franchise in in this film and probably other ones as well, but that's something that I noticed. It's not the most original film, you know, a killer stalking angsty teenagers, definitely been there, done that. I can't say it's the most original, but it's a it follows a formula and it sticks to it and it works and it's a good time.

SPEAKER_02 21:19

Yep, have to agree, have to agree. What I think wasn't a good time was actually part of the ending. Granted, it does its job, it cleans things up, it gets there, but there is something hilarious in which it was some of the most effective, ineffective CPR I've ever seen in my life. And I think that glaring bit of comedy in this whole moment, uh, again, the comedy really landed in other parts of the movie. But by the time we get to this, I'm like, all right, let's just let's just wrap this shit up. Really interesting.

SPEAKER_00 21:48

It was logistically questionable for sure. They made some choices to do things that I feel like wouldn't work in the real world, but they're like, We have to, we have to make it through, we have to end the The film, it's gotta be dramatic, it's gotta be big. But I think they also really want it to guarantee room for more, and that's usually where I have some issues. Like if you do it really well, I'm down. And this is one of those times where it's like, it's okay. I'm not I'm not gonna hate you for it, but I'm not a fan.

SPEAKER_02 22:16

I think I would have thought better about a slightly different direction.

SPEAKER_05 22:19

I think at this point, when it comes to these endings, it's just what's a new way that we can end this movie. Yeah. You know, I I didn't have a big expectation going into it, and I think I prefer other methods of ending it in the previous films that I feel are more practical than the one that was chosen. That being said, I feel like there was some good tension, you know. I think it was a bit of a showdown a little bit that I bought into. It wasn't too bad. But then again, at this point, I'm like, all right, anything is possible with this man. He will find a way.

SPEAKER_01 22:52

Yeah, you know, I agree. I think well, one, we're six films in at this point, right? The ending of these films has become something, I guess, that the that the fans are expecting to see or waiting to see, rather, right? That um that it's almost been it's it's just a part of the movie that that you're wanting to see what they're gonna do, how they're gonna do it, right? And so it it's satisfying enough, in my opinion. Um, we get we get to see, you know, Jason get taken down in a new way. And of course, we know because the franchise continues, right? It's not the end of Jason, and we get a little tidbit at the end, and that's what I'm talking about. That's the tidbit at the end, is what everyone's like the fans are waiting for to see, okay, how are they gonna set this up for another one? Because I don't think anyone's expecting for this to just be done. It doesn't have to be super practical for me to enjoy it. Is it the best iteration of an ending in the franchise? No, but uh it was still semi-satisfying for me.

SPEAKER_02 23:48

I think we have a lot to consider as we you know formulate our our scorings and our ratings for this movie. But before we get there, Sean, how would you describe the gore score?

SPEAKER_01 23:57

You know, this one, this one's an interesting one, right? It's not the goriest of films. We definitely get some blood, we do see some limbs, but despite all of that, I would still have to say, you know, it deserves a medium gore score. You know, what's crazy is the producers feared that the film would get a PG 13 rating, so they upped the violence to push it to an R rating. Um, I won't say like it's low by any means because I feel like some would consider this more moderate than that based on like a few instances in the film. Our bar here on the show has really been set pretty high. So it it has made it really actually difficult to differentiate medium and low GOR scores, but when you really think about it, you know, this lands in the medium.

SPEAKER_02 24:42

And what about the animal report?

SPEAKER_05 24:43

I am happy to report that we are safe for this film.

SPEAKER_02 24:46

Well, delightful. Let's go ahead and move into our ratings then. Friday the 13th, part six, Jason lives from 1986. Was it a hacker or slash?

SPEAKER_00 24:55

So the first time I watched this, I thought, like I said earlier, just another silly Friday the 13th movie. Goofiness, camp, teens trying to do the dirty and getting killed for it. During this viewing though, I realized this is kind of ahead of its time. It's not just camp, it's meta horror, and it's on purpose. It's not quite scream level, but it tipped the franchise on its head and I think started started things off in a new direction. I don't know that they really followed up on that, but this at least had its had its own direction. Um so you can have camp, the disposable comic relief cannon fodder, but you have to have an absolutely lethal Jason, which they do. This is probably the first time in the franchise when Jason gets to actually be Jason, full-on, full power Jason. Not Jason's second cousin, twice removed, pretending to be him, not the town drunk who wants revenge for someone stealing his bottle opener, but an evil, lethal built like a brick shithouse Jason. I think the camera angles work here, the costumes work, and best of all, Jason works it. It's a slash.

SPEAKER_01 25:53

That's great. I love that. You know, and I've said I've said a lot of this before already, uh, thus far, but uh, if you're watching this film, which is the sixth installment in the franchise, and you haven't just popped this one on without watching the previous five films, then you pretty much know what you're getting into. Uh this film sticks to a formula that works. It's a fun time if you're uh into watching a good slasher film with a good amount of kills. It's really a bit refreshing coming out of the fifth installment, in my opinion, a new beginning where we don't even get a real Jason and was just strange. And that being said, you know, I had a decent time watching this one. Uh I hadn't seen a Friday the 13th movie in a while, and it kept me entertained throughout. Whether I was rooting for Jason, uh laughing at some of the characters and how silly some of the parts were, or yelling at the movie because of how stupid something was, it had me engaged. And for that, I'm gonna slash this film.

SPEAKER_05 26:45

You know, you said it best where it's one of those things that I'm kind of glad that I stuck it through. I stuck through this marathon of rewatching or watching for the first time all of these movies because this movie really did surprise me. And to be honest, I went into this marathon that I embarked on with a pretty low bar as far as expectations and how much I would actually like them. But like I said, I actually had a better time watching this movie than a few of its predecessors. Um, and so I think it had a lot to do with the side characters that were enjoyable, that 80s sexy vibe, but it wasn't like shoving in your face as cringe. I appreciate that it's definitely less nudity. Um, so it's uh easier pill to swallow for sure. And I'll be honest, like this is one of the least ridiculous revivals of an antagonist on film that I've seen. And I don't know if that's saying a lot, but I I like to think that it is. So, you know, for anyone that is wanting to embark on this journey like I did and wants to re-watch these movies, but is a little taken aback by how many of them are, stick it through, or at the very least, watch this one because I definitely think it's a slash.

SPEAKER_02 27:54

This movie isn't great. It does breathe life into the franchise by reversing its sins from two movies ago, but and bringing back Jason to life is is something that was desperately needed. You know, we get some great Jason action in this one. And I have a lot to say about some of our characters later on, especially especially with like how frustrating the decisions can be. But the reality is that the small amounts of frustration that you get from this movie are vastly outweighed by how fun and silly so much of this movie is. And the movie manages to do something pretty special, which is give us some franchise firsts as the sixth movie in the franchise. And look, it's not my favorite Friday, it has one of my least favorite survivors in Friday, but it's still fun and it's a slash. And with that, Friday the 13th, part six, Jason Lives from 1986 has earned a universal slash to kick things off for the new year. Now, you can find this movie streaming online, you can find it available on stars, so go check it out, then join us in the second half so we can unpack the rest of this movie together. We'll see you in a bit.

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SPEAKER_02 30:02

Welcome back, folks. You are now entering the spoiler zone for Friday the 13th, Part 6, Jason Lives from 1986, which is under Universal Slash. Now we have a lot to get to here, but before we get into the specifics of our ratings, let's go through the kills.

SPEAKER_01 30:15

There's a lot to unpack here, right? There's a large amount of kills in this one. We see a total of 18 kills. But here's the thing, right? Is that really saying much? Because I mean it is a high kill count when comparing to other horror films and even some of the early installments of this particular franchise. Uh, but the majority of these movies have uh pretty high kill counts, and this one is not the highest in the franchise either. You know, here's the thing there was a shot of the three heads falling right to the ground after the triple decapitation scene, but McLaughlin cut it himself because he didn't think it was that good, and even added additional death scenes to the film after like it was screened for test audiences or whatever. So they added like the death of Martin. I I don't remember every detail of every death in every film in the franchise, but this one definitely felt like we didn't get a lot for the amount of kills that happened, like effects-wise, right? We see a lot of deaths, but we don't see a lot of the actual effects that go into them. We see a couple of good things, we see a couple of good after-effects, we see some good blood, but we don't see uh a lot of the detail that goes into those kills like we have in previous films and some later.

SPEAKER_02 31:31

It's because it's missing that Tom Savini touch.

SPEAKER_00 31:34

I'm not gonna complain though that there's less. I honestly think they could have gone even less for some of the kills that didn't look that good. But I I think this is probably one of the reasons I actually enjoyed it is I didn't need all the all the extra gore to know what was happening. Not that it's really that close to a Halloween movie, at least some of the early Halloween movies, but it's a step closer and I give it props for that.

SPEAKER_01 31:55

Yeah. You know, I I don't think it ruined the movie by any means. Um, obviously, I just slashed the film. I just feel like even going back to the first one, there was just some really cool effects that went through. Like when you see the uh the spear or the arrow, whatever that was that went through the neck of was that Kevin Bacon? Was that Kevin Bacon's kill scene?

SPEAKER_02 32:17

In the original, he got the uh through the neck post.

SPEAKER_01 32:21

But you see it like poking through the neck, right? Really cool to see. It didn't ruin the movie for me not seeing all of the effects. Maybe some of them wouldn't have been that good. It is what it is. Um, but you know, the point being is we see a high kill count, but we don't see a lot of the action that went into those kills, which you know, and maybe that's just you know, after seeing a lot of uh movies at this point and a lot of different uh types of special effects and different things over the years, uh, you know, I just wanted to see a little bit more of that action.

SPEAKER_00 32:51

I do think that the kill count felt padded. You know, we we we don't see a lot, but we get a lot. And if that makes sense, like we get a lot of kills and it seems a little bit unnecessary. Like we introduce characters just to kill them, but in a way, that kind of adds to the meta for me. So I'm I'm I end up okay with it.

SPEAKER_02 33:09

Yeah, I think this movie is riddled with people who die but didn't deserve it. You know, I'm thinking about Hawes, for example, who's just trying to be a good friend. I'm thinking about Lisbeth, who again tried to nope her way out of the whole situation and still got got. But one person who really did have it coming was Bert. And Bert was from that corporate group who was painballing, and you know, the misogyny oozing from that group really made the deaths all the better. Uh I particularly enjoyed Bert as my favorite kill because he's the one who got his arm ripped off and face smashed into the tree after saying she should have stayed in the kitchen. Fuck you, Bert. Yeah, you had it coming.

SPEAKER_01 33:48

Yeah, he deserved that. The blood over the painted, uh like the happy face on the tree was so good.

SPEAKER_05 33:53

Gosh, Chris, you know, I should have seen that that would be our favorite kill because it really hit so different. I was smiling. I love I love that. And then how he just stays holding onto that arm, like just staring at it. Oh, what a moment. I thought it was so clever.

SPEAKER_02 34:08

Look at us having so much in common. I was sad to see the only woman in that group get killed too, though. I was really hoping that somehow she would have made it out alive, but you know, I get it. It's a body count. We gotta go there.

SPEAKER_00 34:20

I did enjoy Lizbeth's death, though. Even though you said it was unnecessary and she didn't deserve it, which I'll agree with. The shot we get of like looking up at Jason upside down was pure gold. It's it's legit the Spider-Man kiss of Jason kills.

SPEAKER_02 34:35

She didn't deserve it, but I don't think it was unnecessary. I think those people who who die in this movie who didn't deserve it are what has me a little bit more emotionally invested in the movie. Not by much. You can't get that emotionally invested in a fucking Friday the 13th movie. Come on. But Lisbeth in particular, I felt really bad for her because she was making all the sense. She's like, hey, I know enough to know that any guy wearing a mask is not friendly, right? She just is tries to reverse, and then she, you know, is basically doomed because Darren is a fucking idiot, tries to be a tough guy, tries to pull out a gun, only to miss him at point blank. Yeah, when you even consider the range of that pipe Jason was or that spear that Jason was holding, why the fuck would you even get that close, dude? It's a ranged weapon. Back up.

SPEAKER_00 35:23

But to give the film even more credit, like after she's killed and her money and stuff is floating in the water, her credit card says American excess on it. And just once again adds to the meta. More credit for me.

SPEAKER_01 35:36

Can we talk about Paula's death for a minute, though? There was so much fucking blood in that cabin for that one kill. Like, I know I know she got slashed with the machete. I know she got thrown through the window. We don't see really much else that happened, right? In that in that room, but there was so much blood in that cabin. It was insane.

SPEAKER_02 35:55

That was Allie's bedroom and terrifier 2 level of blood.

SPEAKER_01 35:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 35:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:00

Insane amounts of blood.

SPEAKER_05 36:01

I'm almost like, what else was killed with her? Like, I don't understand. Her ovaries. Well, I guess so. Or like my first thought was she was really hydrated, I guess. Does that mean there's more blood? What does that even mean?

SPEAKER_02 36:13

I don't know. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 36:14

You know, Jason's still a kid at heart, so once he once he killed her, he also needed a finger paint afterwards.

SPEAKER_01 36:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 36:21

An artiste. He's an artiste. Misunderstood.

SPEAKER_01 36:24

You know, my uh, you know, we said a lot of really great kills. I think it it was quick and subtle and maybe unnecessary and just guilty by association. But uh my favorite kill was Hawes in the beginning, right? Because he just went after uh Jason and he did the whole just like turning around, like, what the fuck? Did you really think that was gonna work? And he just punches through the dude's chest and rips out his heart. That was fucking crazy. And it was a cool effect. It was a really cool effect. It didn't look that bad.

SPEAKER_02 36:53

Yeah, again, not unnecessary all around, just a shame because he didn't deserve it. Look at him trying to be a good friend coming through, trying to be rational and leave the danger, only to realize fuck, now my friend is here with this guy. He's out of his grave. I should probably try to intervene.

SPEAKER_05 37:11

Then he got got to talk about him super briefly. I I was sad because I was like, man, I I hope he lasts a little while because he left an impression so quickly. And I'm like, man, you know what hauses me? I'm a ride or die. You want to go? We broke out of this place, we're about to go to this grave, sure. Get some healing. Absolutely. And then all of a sudden, you're so hardcore loyal, you find yourself like maybe crossing a line, dead. Well, and yeah, and then dead, especially when like the best friend then at that point starts saying, like, all right, give me this shovel, we're gonna dig this up. That's where I, like Hawes, am like, sir, you sure about this?

SPEAKER_02 37:47

And then he gets got. Find you a friend like Hawes, but maybe just find you a friend like Bings who isn't gonna get her heart ripped out of it.

SPEAKER_00 37:53

Speaking of hearts being ripped out, I absolutely adored the makeup and the costumes, mostly the costumes in in this movie because Jason looks so distinct. He has like a uniform on in this movie, and it's like so put together. We got the gloves and everything, it's a whole look. But not just Jason, everyone else's style. I know this is this is uh 1986, but it's kind of set later. So everyone doesn't see him exactly 1986, they kind of seem out of place, and I think they did a great job with that. I think it works into the whole meta thing and the whole goofy and campy thing that a lot of them look ridiculous, especially the dude working in the in the graveyard looks so overly like a caricature. Uh but that plays. I think it really I think it really plays here.

SPEAKER_02 38:39

I think it's hilarious that we have handyman Jason resurrected from his grave. And then to as if to add insult to injury, you know, let's think about how terrible this was. Tommy really killed Jason as a child, and then didn't trust his own work, goes to the grave to dig him up, even though he had just seen a movie before that it's not that Jason came back, it was a whole other fucking guy that came back. And then to resurrect Jason inadvertently, get your best friend killed, and then Jason steals your gloves, bro. Like come on, man. He really just outfit him. Not only did he bring him back to life, he gave him clothes to wear, he gave him the shirt off his back. Selfless, some would say.

SPEAKER_05 39:21

But you know, actually, speaking of that, when he you know basically wears his clothes or like his gloves at the very least. You know, I was so surprised by the effects when he's like in the grave and all of those maggots and and those bugs. Like it really was like, if anything, that was the scary part of the movie for me. I was like, oh, this is nasty, but good for them to really like go full out for it, really create that unsettled feeling. What I would imagine maybe a body looks like undergrave after how many years, obviously. But and in particular, it was when they did the close-ups on the eyes, and you still see those maggots moving and squirming. I was like, ooh, I like this, it was really good. I liked it.

SPEAKER_01 39:59

Yeah, that was that was a really good effect for sure. You know what? I'm gonna cheat a little bit, right? Because my favorite element isn't necessarily a visual one, and it's not necessarily just specific to this film either, but it's the notorious and eerie sound that has become so famous, and that's the ma ma ma, right? And that's the sound that everyone thinks is ch chair. And uh, and it really the idea came from a line kill her mommy, which Jay with with which Mrs. Voorhees uh repeats in the first film. And the the way they did it was just really incredible, right? The key and the maw or whatever were spoken into a microphone in like you know, really crazy way. Like I don't know, they emphasized it in a certain way, they put it through like outboard gear, um, like an analog outboard gear echo reverberation machine, I think it was that I was reading about, and it was just to finalize the sound, and it came out so cool, but it's just so fascinating because it can't it's just so popular that I think even people that aren't even horror fans know what that is.

SPEAKER_02 41:04

Oh, yeah. I mean, we even have that like alluded to in Scream 2 when Sarah Michelle Gellardgetting got a CC, a sorority girl.

SPEAKER_03 41:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:12

I I uh one of you said that your favorite visual was gonna be cheating and not a favorite visual. I thought you were gonna write down one of the things that I had as a favorite, which is the little Easter eggs from horror franchises and prominent figures, specifically Karloff's General Merchandise store.

SPEAKER_03 41:28

Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_02 41:29

Mine actually is the one of the moments when we think of um, you know, back in the RV with Court and Nikki, and it is Nikki being slammed so hard that it almost recreates Freddie Krueger in the original Nightmare on Elm Street. Just that facial imprint. Because you're thinking of just the power of that man's arms, just like really giving it to her, and then Court just being totally fucking clueless in the RV. And that really begs the question like, imagine, you know, being Horace, her stepdad, the next day, finding out not only did your stepdaughter steal your RV, but B, it was overturned on fire, and then Jason Voorhees is also involved because he killed your stepdaughter and her like tryst of a situation ship. Fucking wild. Like, a great visual, but then B the complexities of their whole dynamic. I wonder I want to know Horace's story.

SPEAKER_05 42:26

That's gonna be very interesting to have to explain to uh a car insurance claim or like a the insurance claim overall.

SPEAKER_02 42:32

In this universe, do policies cover slashers? Is there coverage for that? Who knows?

SPEAKER_01 42:38

All state covers that.

SPEAKER_02 42:40

You're in good hands.

SPEAKER_01 42:41

You're in good hands.

SPEAKER_05 42:42

Absolutely, absolutely. You know, you brought up how it reminded you of um Freddie Krueger, especially that scene. And now I I want to say I was so surprised, really, really excited by the little bits that tie into that, right? So my favorite scene from this movie is Nancy, the little girl at the camp, talking about having a bad dream and the killer being everywhere. Um and it it took me out of the story a little bit, but in such a good way because my eyes lit up like, oh my god, like Elm Street, right? And and obviously, as we know, they share the same universe. Um, so I thought that that was super interesting. And obviously, at this point, I believe Elm Street would just be two movies in, I think. Um, so it's kind of relatively new. I just wasn't so I wasn't um expecting an Easter egg like that. I know that we had seen obviously other Easter eggs in terms of the horror um franchises, right? And and then obviously that particular scene with the RV, but to have her literally say that and that whole bit and um later on when Jason goes to literally see her and confront her, you know, you have this moment where she's pray doing the same prayer that Nancy does in the first Elm Street movie. I loved it. I ate that up. I ate it up.

SPEAKER_02 43:57

What's wild is that it makes perfect sense. For that to be an Easter egg, right? But he named her Nancy after his wife, right? Who played Lisbeth in the movie. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 44:06

Incredible. So I so did I pick that up. Happy accident. Did I pick that up thinking one thing and it actually wasn't? Because come on. This down to the same prayer. And again, it's this movie is only it yeah, because it's the second Elm Street movie, which again is so different, obviously, had just come out, I think, the year before or something to that effect. Like it's pretty relatively, you know, possible, I guess.

SPEAKER_03 44:29

That is wild.

SPEAKER_02 44:30

But there's also the precedence, right? Because then you have Sissy for Sissy C SpaceX, you have Carpenter for John Carpenter, you have Crystal. Like all the evidence points to this is Heather Langing Camp's Nancy. Nah, it's just his wife. I'm just trying to be a good husband.

SPEAKER_05 44:45

I just like the little Easter egg bit. I thought that was really cool.

SPEAKER_01 44:48

That is really cool. You know, um, you know, my favorite scene, um, it was subtle, it wasn't a lengthy scene, uh, but for some reason I really enjoyed the scene where Jason is entering the cabin with all the kids. The way they shot that uh or the film that scene with the door opening and you get getting just the visuals of his feet and the wind blowing those leaves in. I don't know what it was about that scene, but it really caught my eye visually, and I just I really just latched onto that one for some reason.

SPEAKER_02 45:18

For sure. It was giving Anakin confronting the little younglings, is what it was.

SPEAKER_03 45:23

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 45:25

You think, hey, if I watched Star Wars episode three and then watched this movie for the first time, I think those kids are fucking gone.

SPEAKER_03 45:31

Right.

SPEAKER_02 45:32

Which is why, like this scene, and I love even Sean the way you're describing just like how cool it was seeing the wind blowing in and everything. It just makes me appreciate the second Fear Street movie all the more because they actually fucking went there. Yeah. As sad as it made me, as tragic as it was. You know, I think my favorite scene, you know, tied for first would have been the whole opening resurrection scene, which granted, stupid fucking idea, Tommy. What the hell are you doing? It's really a reach for the franchise, but I get it. But I think for me, it's an example when the comedy hit best for me, and it was, you know, one of the girls saying, Oh, Court said something about checking out things that go bump in the night, and then you do a hard cut to an establishing shot of the RV, literally bumping from the sexy times. Again, right? That was another moment where it's just prolonging the reputation of bad sex and horror movies. But I thought that was fucking hilarious. No pun intended.

SPEAKER_00 46:28

I I liked a lot of the humorous scenes. I think there was there was a few of them to choose from, and I actually picked two. So I'm a little bit of a cheater, but one, the paintball scene. That whole paintball scene to me was comedy gold. And number two, though, Tommy bringing the cops to the gravesite, like escaping, getting out of the truck, and making it to the grave. This whole setup was so ridiculous. The deputy that has this like massive laser dot attachment, it's it's like airplane at this point. It's it's hilarious. Um, we have the fourth wall-breaking drunkard who like cleans the grave site, puts it all back together, and then hides the fact that he buried up Jason Voorhees' grave. Pure, pure comedy. And if and of course, they're like, uh yeah, obviously he's he's been buried a long time, even though you can clearly tell that someone's been there recently, whatever you're lying to us. It's pure hilarious. I think all the funny scenes in this in this movie really made it for me.

SPEAKER_01 47:28

Yeah. It was the scope. It was the scope that did it for me. I'd loved it.

SPEAKER_05 47:31

Wherever the red dot goes, you bang.

SPEAKER_01 47:34

Yes. It's like, what, who on the right mind is putting a scope of that caliber on a fucking handgun? That's wild.

SPEAKER_05 47:41

It was it was a lot. It was a lot. And the the the gravekeeper or whatever, he was pretty funny too, because when he was like, Oh, I'm fucked when the when when that grave was undone, he just took a swig of that, and I was like, you know what? A vibe, that would be me. Also panicked a little bit and probably trying to snake my way out of that situation later on.

SPEAKER_00 48:06

I do appreciate that they had him break the fourth wall, though. It was such a small thing where he kind of makes fun of the audience in a way, but again, adding to the whole meta-ness of it, you know, who who are these people that would find entertainment in this fantastic little quip, I think.

SPEAKER_02 48:20

Yeah, and I think that little moment from him is just such a solid dose of great character work in this movie. Mac, you alluded to earlier, right? Like he's really a caricature of a whole situation. And I talked a lot about how there are a lot of people in this movie who I think get some terrible fates who didn't deserve them. You know, we talked about like Elizabeth being dragged down by this idiot Darren. But I think one of the other things that I loved about the comedy in this movie was the exchange between the kids. For example, that you have the two kids who uh at the end, well, when they're supposed to be getting back down the floor and and Megan leaves the cabin. This is one says, What do you think? I think we're dead meat several times. A lot of time passes. Someone screaming, real dead meat. So what were you gonna be when you grew up? That little shit was just fucking hilarious to me. And then we get like shortly after that, Jason, who is afraid of the water, going into Jaws mode, like just waiting right in, like he's gonna fucking like you're almost like you're gonna expect a fin to pop up. I feel like this movie really shined with its characters, even though, like, you know, I I talked about how much I detest Tommy in general. Uh, but I think the rest of the cast made this movie better.

SPEAKER_01 49:37

Yeah, that's interesting that you say that, right? Because, you know, here's the weird thing about this movie. I don't believe there is any incredible acting going on here, but um, you know, we also didn't see some of the main characters, if you will, like die super quickly, which allowed you to build some small sense of empathy for some of them, which had me invested a little bit more in the characters, and I think that's a different feel than we've had in previous installments.

SPEAKER_05 50:05

Definitely. I think that I honestly remembered the characters from this movie more than I did all the others, and that's saying a lot considering I just literally watched all of them all day. So um, like all weekend. So um, yeah, I definitely think that the characters this time around really were the the shining light of this movie, Tommy aside, obviously. But it but even then, even you know, we talk about Tommy and him not being likable, but I kind of like that he's not likable because at the very least, you know, we've got a main character that we t I mean tend to want to root for, but this time around it's very opposite. We're rooting for all of the other characters in some ways, and not even the main ones. So I think that that was kind of really cool as well.

SPEAKER_02 50:49

Can I also just give a special shout out for Jason's two signature moves, the crash through a window and leap from the depths of the water?

SPEAKER_05 50:56

I was so happy about that. I was, I mean, although he le at the end he kind of like leaped a little bit, you know, one too many times, or am I just losing it, right? Like he he was like, I'm still coming out of here, kind of like a fish, like you were saying. Like the fin was trying to pop out.

SPEAKER_01 51:09

That's when he's got enough kills to fill his bar meter, and then he can hit that signature move.

SPEAKER_05 51:13

There you go. That was it. That was the combo. It's a lot of strength.

SPEAKER_00 51:16

I think it was interesting to see like two different police characters between the deputy and the sheriff. The sheriff plays such a straight man the entire movie and then gets bent in half backwards at the very end. And what a like, what a way to go. Not even a punch to the face, not a punch through the heart and ripping the heart out or anything, but literally folded like a table. That's that's just so extreme and and so dismissive, you know, the entire time the chef's trying to like get things together, get things moving forward, get rid of this Tommy guy. And at the end, Jason's just like, whatever, folded, you're done.

SPEAKER_02 51:50

Yeah, and it's wild because you see him square up with Jason with his shotgun, with his handgun, shooting him between the eyes, all that good stuff. And you realize that around this point, he's the best chance anyone stands at making it out of this. And then all of a sudden he's running for the hills and he doesn't like at this point, he's really just trying to buy time. And for as much as I disliked the sheriff all the way through the movie, I did appreciate when he he gathered the kids and he got them to safety and they prioritized saving their lives before going off in in any other direction. So it was like a small redeeming moment for him.

SPEAKER_00 52:28

I don't think the deputy was redeemed, though. I think he was absolutely ridiculous the entire film. I wish I had written down some of his quotes because there were things that he would say, and they were normal things, but he would say them in such a dramatic, yeah, hammy kind of way, was like watching a soap opera with an incredibly strong accent to boot. It was perfect. He was the caricature of the cop, and the sheriff was like the actual cop.

SPEAKER_02 52:52

You're really just making a whole joke out of law enforcement.

SPEAKER_00 52:55

That's what horror movies do, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 52:56

The couple that was in the in the car, Darren, that was Tony Goldwyn.

SPEAKER_00 53:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 53:01

My jaw dropped. I was like, oh my God, you know? But but one thing that I really appreciated, and this is for anyone that I mean, doubtful, but for anyone that watches Scandal, um, I love how he didn't listen to his partner in this movie, and he doesn't do the same in Scandal. So really on brand from the 80s all the way to the very end. Tony Goldwyn. Wow. It was like a foreshadowing moment for Scandal for me. Incredible.

SPEAKER_00 53:26

I will say you mentioned, Chris, that Tommy Jarvis is probably the worst character of this film. I think he's the worst part of the movie.

SPEAKER_02 53:34

I agree. I have a lot of notes that I think I've actually already kind of gotten out there. Uh, the idea of Tommy doing all this shit after we saw him face not Jason in the last movie. But then also he brings the fucking mask. This isn't therapy. This is unhinged, Tommy. This is outrageous. This is like in in this in this week's episode of fuck around and find out, Tommy Jarvis finds out real quick, and everyone else finds out for him, but they already knew they didn't have to find out. He fucked around and they found out, which I think is honestly criminal. I'm gonna go with the backup worst part. And it actually is the fact that in that very scene that you're just talking about, Binks, Darren and Lisbeth, Lisbeth sees Jason, she just reverses in a perfectly straight line, and then Darren says, if we drop in that gully, we're not going anywhere. Where the fuck was the gully on the way up, bro? Like, why is this now an issue, but it wasn't an issue in the five seconds that you just drove up here?

SPEAKER_01 54:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 54:37

Fucking mind-blowing. There's one small thing where I'm like, this woman deserved better.

SPEAKER_01 54:41

Yeah, that's too too logical. Too logical, and and too much logic just doesn't make sense. Tommy deserved to die for sure. I agree with the both of you. Um, like he the worst part of the movie, I don't know. I think the worst part of the movie for me, which I already talked about, and it didn't ruin it for me, um, was just that uh I just I was left wanting a little bit more from the kill department. I really prefer quality over quantity any day, right? I don't need to see 18 deaths that I didn't see the majority of happen. Um, I just let me see a little bit more details, that's all. And and you know what? We've probably we've probably gone over this uh a bunch of times without me here for it, but the mid to late 20s teenagers, I know this was a thing during the era and even through the 90s, I believe, but damn, like let's try to make it a little more believable.

SPEAKER_00 55:32

It does have that effect when you're watching where you're like, wait, are they teenagers? Or are we just watching a bunch of adults that run a camp?

SPEAKER_01 55:37

Uh-huh. Right.

SPEAKER_05 55:38

Yeah, definitely got that vibe for sure. Goodness. You know, if I had to pick a worst part, it's that this franchise still keeps going. It's it's gotta stop. Now you slashing the movie, but it kept going. Well, okay, but hear me out, but hear me out. I know that what comes after this is not stellar. And I'm not looking forward to continuing on. And so I just wish that it would end on a high note, but it doesn't. And so I just wish it would stop. You know, just stop. That would be great.

SPEAKER_02 56:11

Now that the legal battles are sorting themselves out, who knows what what else we'll get. I will say though that as this episode releases publicly, if you're listening to this and it's not yet the evening on Friday, the 13th of January, join us for a watch party where we're gonna see how this franchise continued to Freddie versus Jason.

SPEAKER_05 56:29

And actually, so the funny part is I I enjoy that movie even though it's not great. Like maybe that's a guilty pleasure, you know, for sure. But I just, my gosh, it just it needs to stop, it needs to stop, or at least end on a on a high note, you know? And and also because I think that the other ways that he has died per se or whatnot were so much better than this. Like, what is happening? This guy's a little mermaid now, or whatever. Like, thanks.

SPEAKER_00 56:54

Andanasi.

SPEAKER_05 56:55

Yeah, for real.

SPEAKER_00 56:56

I have not finished the franchise, you know, like like a couple of you haven't made it all the way through. Once I do a full watch through, then I'll be able to come back and see it all again in a row. Like as part of another binge, perhaps. But I don't know that I'll be watching this until I get to that point.

SPEAKER_05 57:13

Yeah, no, I've I've hit my fill. Although it seems like I'm kind of cheating right when the going's going, right? Like I've I've done so much. I also re-watched the remake after I had seen the second one, or was the third? It's all blurred this point. And I feel like I just I I gotta see it through to the end, but I don't know. It's been so much camp and tits that I can't I don't know how much I could take. Maybe I will. Maybe I will, but at the very least, I I definitely do want to redo all of this um maybe next October for sure. At the very least.

SPEAKER_01 57:44

Nice. I mean, you might as well just keep on going and just push through at this point, you know? You already made it this far.

SPEAKER_05 57:50

I know, I'm almost there. Maybe I will. Stay tuned. Who knows?

SPEAKER_01 57:54

You know, here's the thing. It's it this is in no way the best film in the Friday the 13th franchise. However, uh, I always seem to get through this hefty collection time and time again. So I'm sure that I'll be watching this one again. And I can't say, Chris, that I'll be marathoning these on a Friday the 13th because that feels like a really daunting task to do. On I don't know how you're doing that in one day, but uh I do seem to get through these every once in a while.

SPEAKER_02 58:21

Listen, it's really not that complex. When I do a Halloween marathon, like on Halloween when I watch as many Halloween movies as I can. I'm like there, I'm invested, I'm here, I'm doing it. When I do the Friday the 13th marathons, I'm watching one through four with focus, five to Manhattan with like, oh okay. Jason goes to hell, it's on while I'm doing other shit, and then we have like, you know, the uh the reboot, we have Freddie versus Jason that I'm back in the game for. We have Jason 10, Jason X, I'm absolutely in for. So like there are varying levels of focus there. I will absolutely be watching this again because I think for my final birthday gift for myself that's belated. I'm gonna finally get the Blu-ray set Friday the 13th that I really wanted to get a few years ago. And I ended up not buying it because I missed out on like the pre-order that had the poster, but now it's available on Amazon, so fuck it. Why not? And uh I'll probably, you know, I'll I'll get through it again. We'll see. Regardless of where you are in your rewatch of the franchise, let's see what Matt can feed us in fact or fiction.

SPEAKER_00 59:21

Number one, Scream writer Kevin Williamson stated he found the movie to be appallingly bad and kept that in mind as motivation to do his best while writing Scream.

SPEAKER_01 59:31

That's uh that's a tough one. I don't know that he thought it was bad. I'm gonna say fiction.

SPEAKER_05 59:36

Yeah, I mean, because there's worse, right? So maybe that's the gag. Maybe it wasn't this particular movie that he used as inspiration. I'm gonna say fiction.

SPEAKER_00 59:47

This one is a fiction. However, he did tell the director that this film had an impact on him and helped inspire him to write Scream. Nice.

SPEAKER_01 59:54

There you go. Nice.

SPEAKER_00 59:56

Number two, there's a line in Scary Movie that makes fun of horror movies using adults to play teenagers. This film was the first installment in the Friday the 13th franchise to use all adults to play teens.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:07

What are we considering adults here? Like what age makes you an adult? 18. Okay, I'm going fiction.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:13

I'm doing a quick, like, you know, roller deck scan of everyone in my mind.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:17

Oh, all adults. That's the thing. That's the thing. All adults.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:22

You know what I'm gonna say? Fact. I'm gonna change it up.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:24

You're correct, it is a fact. And just gotta say, like you mentioned, teen horror in the 90s and the 2000s just wants to wants to say thanks. You know? Because they ran with it. Number three. Although this is part six, this is only the third film in the franchise actually set on Friday the 13th.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:40

Ooh. Well, you should know this, Binks, because you just watched all these.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:43

Yeah, and now I'm pennant because FML.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:49

Uh, you know what?

SPEAKER_05 1:00:50

I think it is fact. I think it is fact. You said only three?

SPEAKER_00 1:00:53

I said this is the third.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:54

The third. Oh fuck. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:57

This is the this film is the third in the franchise to be set on Friday the 13th.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:04

I'm gonna say fact.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:05

I think I th well, I know this one is taking place on Friday the 13th. I wanna say because oh shit. I wanna say because the franchise is convoluted and the timeline is strange, that it could be a fact. Yeah, I'm gonna say fact as well.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:21

The timeline is strange indeed. This is the second.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:24

Ah shit.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:25

The first one is, of course, the first one.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:28

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:29

But if you remember, we mentioned that subsequent films happen like on subsequent nights as well.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:35

Yeah, I know. This one really throws you off. Not not the question, well, the question, yes, but the the franchise storyline. Right. It's it really throws you off. It's a roller coaster.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:44

Number four. Part five characters, Pam and Reggie, were set to return, but Shar Ross, who played Reggie, was uninterested in returning to another horror film.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:53

I have no clue. I'm gonna say fiction.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:56

I'm gonna say fact because after so many of these movies, I mean, maybe he saw the future and was like, I'm not trying to be in a space film. You know? So or in Manhattan, so yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:06

I want to be in a space film.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:08

No, you do. I you for sure do. You should have been Reggie.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:11

This one is uh this one's a fiction, but uh he didn't want to come back as the filmmakers planned to kill off Reggie, and he didn't wanna he didn't want to stand for that. That little little Reggie, you know?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:20

Reggie lives.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:21

And number five, John Shepard was also not interested in returning to reprise his role as Tommy from part five, as he had recently become a born-again Christian.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:29

That okay, I don't know. I don't know. I that I wanna I I think there was other reasons. I wanna say, I don't know for sure. I don't think it was that, so I'm gonna say fiction on this one.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:40

No, you know what? I'm gonna say fact confidently because Okay. He said he said, wait, this movie's gonna be about this? Nah. Hmm, I'm not about that. And you know, with the era, that era, a lot of things happened. A lot of people maybe needed some Jesus or something. I don't know, but they needed somebody.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:59

Okay, this one is a fact.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:00

You see what I'm telling you.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:02

Uh but like you mentioned, you know, in the movie, Tommy could have definitely used a little Jesus in his life when he was thinking about digging up Jason Voorhees. You know.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:10

That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:12

Perfect timing. What would Jesus do? Oh, not dig up Jason Voorhees. That's right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:16

Right, right.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:17

Let's just say that's been fact or fiction.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:19

Well, there you have it, folks. Friday the 13th, part six. Jason lives from 1986 has earned a universal slash, despite all the trash that we have been talking. Now we certainly had a robust discussion here, but it doesn't end here by any means. We want to know what you think. So let us know.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:34

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SPEAKER_00 1:03:39

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SPEAKER_02 1:03:51

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SPEAKER_01 1:03:56

Happy Friday the 13th.