287: Beetlejuice (1988)

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It's what Chris hears when she wakes up.

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Greetings and salutations, and welcome to the 2023 spooky season with Hacker Slash. If you're joining us again, welcome back. It's showtime. If this is your first time listening, welcome to the party. We are a horror movie review podcast dedicated to telling you whether a movie is a hack.

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A total joke, a waste of time, or a slash. Totally killer. Pun intended.

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We believe horror is for everyone, and as such, we're rating these movies with the perspective we've gained from our varying walks of life and the flavors of fear we fancy most. My name is Chris, and I'm your friendly neighborhood slasher enthusiast. This week I'm joined by the Superfly Space Guy Mac.

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Barb Honey, we're dead. I don't think we have very much to worry about anymore.

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The classic horror connoisseur Sean.

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I'm the ghost with the most, babe.

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And the paranormal pair more Binx. I myself am strange and unusual. This week we're crossing into a world where the living haunts the dead, the bizarre is the norm, and saying a certain name three times can lead to chaos. Before we head down to business, though, we have some follow-up.

SPEAKER_07 1:13

Let's follow up on a season. Alright, so around this time of year, we're usually getting a couple new listeners, right? They've gotten the itch. They want a little horror, they're just tuning into the show, maybe for the first time. So you might not know that we kind of make a big deal of the spooky season around these parts.

SPEAKER_03 1:31

Hmm. It's kind of a big deal.

SPEAKER_07 1:33

It's in Japan, it's a big deal. I mean. So as this episode right now releases, we're kicking off the spooky season. And our theme for this year is the voyage.

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Now you may be wondering why it's the voyage. The reason why is because this year is a big one for us, right? So we have Friday the 13th of October that's coming up. This is the first one that has happened since we started the show in the very, very beginning in 2017, and that makes it a mega anniversary. And it's actually a lot bigger than even just the anniversary because we're gonna be recording our 300th episode. So it's kind of like this journey of not only how the show has changed over time, how we have grown over time, but just the evolution as a community over 300 episodes is kind of fucking wild. Why does that make me want to cry?

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It is absolutely crazy.

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It doesn't make you want to cry.

SPEAKER_09 2:28

It is crazy. 300 episodes, Friday the 13th in October. I mean, what else can you ask for?

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It could not be any better, honestly. So here's what we're doing, right? We we say that the theme is the voyage, but what does that look like? To honor that, we're actually looking back on six years of Hackerslash by revisiting films that we covered in our early days. We're also gonna be launching some new patron perks, and we're even extending the spooky season celebration to cover two months, September and October, instead of just October. So we're fucking going hard, folks. Yeah.

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I love it. As it as it should be. Spooky season, look, it deserves more than just two months. So we're giving it to you all.

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We we really are. We're we're serving up some double-stuffed Oreos here, okay? So we wanted to go, I think, pretty big this year. And that means we need to find more ways to get you, dear listener, new episodes.

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So as we are looking back on all the films that we've covered in the past, I can't even believe it. We're doing nine weeks of rewinds. Woo! So we are revisiting some of our earliest films, like even the first movie that we ever, ever reviewed. Which was of course, the one and only it, chapter one.

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2017, baby. Oh, that was a good time.

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What a joyous time. Can't wait.

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You know how long ago that was? I used MoviePass to buy that ticket.

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Nice.

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Yeah. I bought MoviePass and I was like, I should probably start going to the movies more. I should probably do a podcast.

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There it is.

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Now here we are later with AMC A list.

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Oh my. Who would have thought? Who would have thought?

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An upgrade, some would say, and that some would be me. So what I love about these rewinds, though, is that they're actually going to be paired so beautifully with an episode that we're publishing on the main feed as well. So it's like a little coffee and dessert moment, you know, each one of them strategically planned. It speaks to my Virgo self.

SPEAKER_09 4:30

So thoughtful.

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I can't wait for you all to realize, and really our patrons who are listening to this episode today, and you see which episode dropped on the rewind today, it's for Binx's birthday. These two movies fucking go together so well. Uh it's lovely. Let's put it that way. It is lovely. Not the match you'd expect, but the one you deserve.

SPEAKER_05 4:52

That's a great way to put that. Talking about the main feed, and not only are we double-stuffing, like double-stuffed Oreos, our lineup in October, we're doing two episodes a week. Friends, that means three episodes a week. So two in the main feed, one for our patrons. That's a total of 24 episodes for your listening pleasure.

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Putting in the work.

SPEAKER_03 5:16

Literally the most we've ever done. 24 episodes is usually, I mean, 52 weeks in a year. So whatever that fucking math is, we usually do 52 episodes in a year, and we're doing 24 just in two months because we love you.

SPEAKER_07 5:30

Wow. I expect everyone to listen until their ears bleed, though, you know? Yeah. All that all that work. Just if you're working from home and you don't have to be on a meeting, tune in, you know, hit up, fire up an episode. That's what's that's what's up.

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That's right.

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This is also the third time that we've done our annual New Blood drive, which if you don't know, is a way to celebrate horror, our podcast anniversary, and the way that our family has grown, our hackerslash fam. So it's a couple things go into that. So one, community events. So last year was our first time doing a spooky season using our Discord server, which of course is a ton of fun. We had watch parties, live recordings, all of that. Absolute blast. So much fun. This year we're gonna continue that, but we're we're gonna add a little spice. We're gonna do two big trivia nights that cover, of course, the best franchise ever, Halloween. Dang.

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Listen, there's no new Halloween movie this year, so of course we had to fucking sneak at some Halloween. And our historian Nathan is actually running the trivia. Oh my gosh, he sent me pictures of the grand prizes, and I I need to win the trivia. I'm not going to because that would be fucked up, right? But I want to play the trivia to win these prizes because they're that immaculate for Halloween fans.

SPEAKER_05 6:38

Nathan always has insane prizes when we do trivia nights or on the Discord as well. So I'm excited.

SPEAKER_03 6:45

Ooh. Yeah. And honestly, I'm even just thinking back now. Last year during the spooky season for the very first time, Sean, your first episode ever was live on Discord, wasn't it? For the monsters?

SPEAKER_09 6:57

I think so. Yeah, look at that. I think it was, yeah.

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Oh, it's gonna be good. Folks, stay tuned to the events tab. You're not gonna want to miss a single thing that happens in the Discord. It's gonna be a party.

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Now, if we're having a big birthday like we're having this year, it's only fair that you get us all gifts. Just kidding. It's only fair that we get you gifts, right? So for the last few years, we've had these amazing special posters commemorating the anniversary. And this year, we're gonna do it again. So every new member who signs up for our premium tier between the 1st of September and the 31st of October and sticks around. Guess what? You're gonna receive your very own print.

SPEAKER_03 7:32

Wow. Yes, that's that is nice. Okay.

SPEAKER_09 7:36

That's pretty cool.

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Being Sean, how does it feel to be on a poster for the first time?

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Oh I am pumped. I am so pumped. On a poster, I feel so legit, so official.

SPEAKER_09 7:46

Right? So honored, you know. Yeah. Hopefully somebody frames it, puts it up on their wall, maybe their living room, so everyone can see it.

SPEAKER_03 7:53

Some of the past ones have already been framed, and we've gotten pictures of what they look like. It's it's uh pretty good.

SPEAKER_09 7:58

That's awesome. Wow.

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That's awesome.

SPEAKER_05 8:00

Oh, that's so sweet. Here I am, like, um, I guess it's just gonna be my mother that's framing the poster.

SPEAKER_03 8:05

Literally, no. Sometimes people sign up just for this.

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Wow.

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I love it. Sean, we're home decor.

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Right? Look at that. Who would have thought?

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Who would have thought?

SPEAKER_07 8:15

So cool. So, right underneath the live laugh love sign, the hackerslash poster. Yeah. Obviously.

SPEAKER_03 8:21

That should be the tagline for the poster this year. Live, laugh, love in these conditions.

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No, both.

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Both of those things.

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Well, that's not all though, because again, if you're new, you may not know about something. So we're gonna tell you a little bit about it. It's our free sides.

SPEAKER_09 8:37

Oh, yeah. I gotta tell you, just just so y'all know, if you if you're on the fence of even kind of like becoming a member here, right? Let me just tell you about what I consider to be one of my favorite perks, one of the best perks that we give. And for for those of you who don't know what I'm talking about, after every episode, our members are treated to a bonus segment that we like to call the B sides. And in the B sides, it has so much fun. It it we have everything from like random, like banter as we, you know, getting ready to get into the episode. There's bloopers, some honestly, some hilarious comments that make me laugh out loud. If you don't know, before I jumped on to this podcast with you all, I was a listener, okay? And I listened to, I don't know, over a hundred episodes driving to and from work every day. And these B sides had me laughing out loud in the car at times. Some really great content, but you know, it it you know, sometimes we'll even go off on tangents and just go off the rails into some wild stuff, and there's just so much good stuff in there, and oh man, there's just no other way to experience how the other half of our members or our listeners live without checking out the free sides the spooky season.

SPEAKER_03 9:57

Oh, for sure. And now with 100% more after dark content, I oh yeah.

SPEAKER_05 10:02

I'm sorry, that's probably semi because of me. I could not agree more with you, Sean. Look, I'm on this podcast and I will re-listen to our own B sides because of how funny we are in B-Sides, right? Like so good. This is I'm so excited. Now I will say, like, if if there is one perk, definitely free sides. So you're gonna want to listen to that. Oh, I'm so so pumped about that part.

SPEAKER_03 10:26

Yeah, you all get to sample it for the month for free. Well, for the two months for free. Usually it's just free during October. We're allowing all of our listeners to have free sides on the main feed, but come November 1st, it's back to B-Sides, baby. And let me tell you, sometimes you never know what gets left on the cutting room floor until you actually hear it in B-sides.

SPEAKER_09 10:47

That's true. You gotta check it out. I have no doubt that we will turn some of these listeners into members.

SPEAKER_03 10:54

Yeah, I think people often say, like, oh, I thought this was gonna be a funnier show, but no, it's because I keep the actual main edit to the fucking point and then all the shenanigans in B-sides.

SPEAKER_09 11:03

Yeah, you want the raw and uncut version of Hackerslash, you gotta get to the B-sides.

SPEAKER_07 11:08

It's like when you see those clips of newscasters saying something out of pocket and they're like, we'll just cut that out. Right. Except we keep it. We keep it for later.

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Yeah.

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But I don't think we could talk about any of this without talking about the biggest and boldest thing that I think we've ever done. This is our first ever time to get together in person, all together, meet up, commemorate our our anniversary, which is amazing, which is gonna be on Friday, October 13th. But we're gonna do it in Orlando, Florida, which is cool, you know, with you, with listeners, with patrons, with all of you.

SPEAKER_03 11:39

I am both thrilled and intimidated. I think it's gonna be lovely. Right? This is like pushing yourself out of your comfort zone for the sake of like helping something grow and expand. I know that folks have been asking for this in the past. I think it's so dope. I'm so excited. We're gonna have a live episode recording. So we will be with you, and you will be part of us recording our 300th episode of Hacker Slash, and then we're gonna also have a mixer where we can all connect and spend time together, mingle, have fun. Then the following night, and this is what I think I'm most excited about. Several of us are gonna be going to Halloween Horror Nights to enjoy the spooks together.

SPEAKER_09 12:14

Oh, I cannot wait. It's gonna be such a good time. Just imagine. We're just gonna be going through, you know, the haunting attractions of Halloween horror nights as a group. I mean, man, what not we all haven't even hung out together. Oh really. I mean, if you think about it, like that's gonna be quite a moment.

SPEAKER_05 12:31

I was just gonna say, I'm getting so excited. Oh, not me, oh, my Scorpio moon. I'm getting emotional. Y'all haven't even met Mac yet.

SPEAKER_07 12:40

I know.

SPEAKER_03 12:41

I know, that's what I'm thinking about. Oh, okay. So listen, for as excited as I am for y'all to meet, I had this moment the other day. I was talking about this at work. I was uh going through my time away request for October, and then I realized and I remembered we already have several folks who've made arrangements to fly in from across the country. Mind. Bro, not even across the country. Some folks are flying in from Canada.

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That is insane.

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It's it's it's real, it's real, it's here.

SPEAKER_05 13:11

I that's like insane to me. I've even spoken to my family about this, and it's just like incredible to think about. You know, not only are we celebrating such an incredible milestone, but that people are like flying in for this to hang out with us, like to hang out with fellow community members, to watch me scream my ass off at Halloween whore nights. Like, hell yeah. I love it.

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It's gonna be amazing. Y'all need to join us.

SPEAKER_07 13:36

Well, if you would like to learn more, uh just go to go.hackerslash.liveslash meetup to uh to get the deets, you know, get your ticket, get the ticket to the live show while it's still available because you know eventually you're not gonna be able to. So, you know, get in there while you still can and and hang out with us and laugh and listen and love.

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And live a little bit.

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A little bit. And that's our follow-up.

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While turning our eyes to the present, in the late 80s, visionary director Tim Burton, now known for his unique eccentric style, was just making his mark in Hollywood. At this point, he brought us a tale that blurred the lines between the living and the dead. The film proved to be a departure from the typical ghost story. Instead of the living being haunted by the dead, they flipped the script, and the spirits of a dearly departed couple found themselves tormented by an insufferable family that took up residence in their beloved home. In a desperate bid to reclaim their peace, they enlisted the help of a spirit known for his malevolent mischief. The film was a significant milestone in Burton's career, marking his second feature film as a director. It was also a stepping stone for many of the casting crew who'd go on to have illustrious careers in Hollywood. Now the film's budget was a whopping fifteen million dollars, only one million dollars of which was dedicated to the creation of visual effects and unforgettable set designs. And Denny Elfman also composed a score that added an extra layer of whimsy and eeriness to the film, which ultimately helped its blend of comedy, horror, and fantasy strike a chord with audiences, thereby cementing its status as a beloved cult classic. This week we're talking about Beetlejuice. Who's seen this one before?

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If any of you tell me that you haven't seen this movie, we're gonna have serious problems. She's cutting us up at the meeting of the a thousand percent. I mean, of course I've seen this movie. I'm even wearing a Beetlejuice cardigan right now, okay? It's like you might as well say that Beetlejuice is like maybe one-third of my identity. And yes, Hocus Pocus being the second, and then Stranger Things being the third. All right, let's move on, you know? I have actually seen a lot of Tim Burton's earlier films, and when I think of my childhood, the first movies that I ever remember seeing was Beetlejuice, Pee-wee's Big Adventure, Mars Attacks, Tim Burton's Batman's. Like, I don't know why, but me as a very like I might have been maybe like four or so. Like, that's one of like the very few times where you can remember your like childhood as a very, very little kid. It was Tim Burton films and Beetlejuice being like right there, glued to the TV screen.

SPEAKER_03 16:05

Oh yeah. Beetlejuice and nightmare before Christmas for me. Those are the moves.

SPEAKER_09 16:10

Definitely. Dang, I saw Mars attacks in theaters. That was a good time. I mean, you're yeah, you're saying like everyone has to have seen this board. I mean, really, who hasn't seen this one before? This is a bona fide classic. I mean, it's pure nostalgia, just like you said. Like, this is my childhood. I grew up watching this movie. I own this movie. I've watched it, I don't know, 20, 30, I don't know how many times. I lost count. Like, it's it's just insane how many times I've seen this movie. It's so nostalgic that it's something that I watch every year, every October. It's just, it's a it's a classic. Like, how could you how could you go wrong?

SPEAKER_07 16:44

I don't I don't think you can go wrong, you know, watching this movie. I have seen it a bazillion times before. And like you, Binks, I've seen a lot of other Tim Burton stuff. I think if you're part of our generation, it's probably vital to your existence to have seen these movies, right? Like Edward Scissorhands, that just the aesthetic of that movie has lived with me to these days. I mean, Batman, like absolutely, if you were born in the 80s and or and or early or mid-90s, you probably at some point pretended to be Michael Keaton as Batman. Oh, for sure. He's just guaranteed.

SPEAKER_03 17:16

I mean, honestly, for me, he's best Batman.

SPEAKER_07 17:19

Well, I I I'm gonna I'm gonna go ahead and agree with you there. And but I think, you know, Tim Burton's movies over the years have really like they've just like become a part of you. It's just like that's part of my existence. And this is one of those, this is one of those movies to where, you know, yeah, it would seem insane to have somebody say that they've never seen Beetlejuice, unless, I think, unless they're part of, you know, the next generation, in which case, oh goodness, they're they have missed out if they have not seen this yet.

SPEAKER_03 17:46

Well, I'm so glad we're bringing this up then, because I do think we have quite a mix of folks who listen to this in terms of like demographics with age range. I think naturally we tend to fall very comfortably with people within our own age group in our in our 30s and maybe late 20s. But I'm remembering and realizing that like my niece and nephews listen to the podcast and they're Gen Z.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 18:10

You know what I mean? Like I have a lot, we have a lot of folks who are discovering us on Spotify who are Gen Z, and I wonder how many of them have actually seen Beetlejuice.

SPEAKER_09 18:17

That's a good point.

SPEAKER_03 18:18

So this is a fantastic moment, I think, to re-examine this, especially given that this might be one of the first times we're really doing a family-friendly horror movie on the podcast. We've had some mild ones for sure that we've considered like a really good gateway drug into horror, but this is one that straight up children just watch.

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Yeah.

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Like this is baked into our childhoods and not in an inappropriate way. So I think that's a really interesting moment for us. Man, I I saw this movie so much when I was a kid, but here's the kicker. I haven't seen it since I was a kid. Oh, I haven't watched it as an adult a single time. And not for any lack of loving it. I just happen to have not. I wow, that's incredible. It is. I think this is one that I watched so often that when I was a kid that I've never had really any trouble remembering it or thinking about it and then feeling satisfied by how much I did see it already. But I'm also not someone who I think turns on a lot of things without some level of intention behind it. And for some reason, Beetlejuice, maybe because I just don't own it, has fallen to the background of like, okay, maybe I'll watch it if there are kids around, but I have it hasn't been at the forefront of things to watch. I mean, I watched the movies for the podcast, and that's about it these days. But let me tell you that while I was watching this, it felt like a warm hug. It felt like I was in the 90s again. This movie came out the year before I was born, and it felt like I'm watching this here in my childhood home, and I'm like, damn, this really hits. This is this is nice. I I did forget a few things. I forgot what a perv Beetlejuice is, so that's fun. I forgot how fucking amazing Winona Ryder's performance is, and I forgot how touching our our central character story really is when going into this. So I think there's a lot here that I found myself not only satisfied with from a nostalgia perspective, but also just satisfied with as an adult watching a movie that I enjoyed as a child and finding that it aged well.

SPEAKER_09 20:23

Yeah, I think well, so I think you you definitely hit it right on the mark with just the nostalgia. That's it's like the theme so far, because that is the feeling that I also got watching this film was just tons of nostalgia from my childhood. I mean, it's just truly a comfort movie, right, for me. And and I just the movie also feels fun. It's just fun, it's a good time. It's dark and zany, it's filled with tons of great one-liners and great humor, and it's not too raunchy, but it's just enough. And that's that's the whole point, right? Kids can watch it, adults can watch it. It's just such a great thing, and it's just really hard not to have a good time watching this movie. And so the whole time, you know, I'm just like a kid in a candy shop, like smiling from ear to ear watching this film.

SPEAKER_05 21:12

Absolutely. And I think it's just incredible. We've talked a lot about like how it's just resonated and and for our childhood. I think it's incredible that this movie celebrated its 35-year anniversary earlier this year, and it's just as iconic as that exact day that it debuted. I think when I rewatched this movie, I too was like a kid in a candy shop. I mean, I'm smiling from ear to ear, I'm laughing, I'm in awe of this cast. I also like, I think I was so shocked by you saying you haven't rewatched it since you were a child. Because to me, even as an adult, I'm always finding something that I just love and enjoy that just like sparks energy for me. So rewatching this, it happened again, and I'm like, man, this movie, something about It, you know, is like it's kind of like in a glass case for me in terms of like preserving who I am and like my childhood and the innocence, but then also like just my personality and my humor and all of that is just this movie that every time I rewatch it, I'm like, I feel whole. I feel complete. I feel like it's so fun.

SPEAKER_03 22:20

This is absolutely beautiful, and I love that for you, Binx. That's that's super sweet. May I amend to just share what I think what I suspect it might be for me that had me not watching this. I got into this like really big kick of things where I wanted to start collecting horror stuff, right? Started collecting my figures, started picking out some t-shirts that are like the classic movie posters, really enjoyed that moment. And every time I looked on certain websites, right, like Box Lunch. Box Lunch is someone that in the fall typically will have some good shit. If it's not October, you look at their website, you click horror, it's only nightmare before Christmas. And I think that's where this movie has kind of fallen for me, where it's like I wouldn't say watered down horror, because I think this does trend in like a really good horror comedy zone. But it's the PG 13, actually, no, just PG in my mind. Like it's just a totally safe, inoffensive entryway into horror. So I think I just haven't needed that purity in so long that I didn't go looking for it. That's fair.

SPEAKER_07 23:25

It is one that I think should probably have been added to my just, you know, I don't know if comfort movie is the right pick, but like top movies that I could legit watch once a month if I had to and still enjoy them. There's just there's something about it, you know. Sometimes movies people describe as classics, or at least classics to them, they they're kind of like a museum piece. And you can watch them and you're like, oh, interesting. Like I have to consider the context. I need to know when the movie came out, I need to know the social, you know, situation at the time, and consider all these things, and I can I can then enjoy it. Uh, and it and it feels it feels kind of dead. It's like a dusty book, those movies. This movie, for considering the subject matter, while watching it, I realized this movie is so alive. It is so insane how much like vibrancy there is to this film, whether it's the set or or even just like the people, you know, the wardrobe, everything. There's there's color in places that you wouldn't expect given the subject matter. And there's there's a lot of, I don't know, it's like juicy, right? The acting is a lot of fun. This the the dialogue, everything about it is such a movie full of life. And while you're watching it, maybe that's why it's it's so comforting. It's like it's dealing with such a kind of a dark, morbid topic, but at the same time, it it brings so much life to that. It really makes the afterlife seem, you know, pretty damn alive, we'll say that. But yeah, there's there's just something about it when you watch it where you don't you don't feel bad. Even when the the situations happen in the movie where you're like in normal movies, I would feel really depressed right now, but I don't, you know, it's okay, it's all gonna be fine.

SPEAKER_05 24:58

That's so interesting that you say that because even now I'm thinking back to like earlier this year when I mean, I think in some ways we all have, but especially Chris and I, like we had some close deaths in the family, and so I man, I rewatched this movie and I'm like, the concept of that, like you just explained right now, Mac. Like I I felt like it was comfort, it was fun, and you would think in another context, it still would be a little too much too soon. So I just feel like throughout the whole movie, I was feeling that comfort. I was feeling, you know, the admiration of so many things. I mean, we can't talk about it enough. It was just like it is that warm hug, a thousand percent.

SPEAKER_03 25:38

Yeah, it makes me really sad that I didn't watch this during that horrible streak of familial grief. I really wish we just spiked this in somewhere, you know? You know, being next time I think if we both end up in these parallels of each other's lives, we're both going through some similar shit at a similar time. Maybe we need to exchange watch lists, I feel therapeutic. Because I mean, a bitch needed a hug. Yeah. Beetlejuice could have been it.

SPEAKER_05 26:02

Beetlejuice definitely could have been it. My other my other comfort warm hug is gone, girl, though, so I don't really know. That's fair. I respect that.

SPEAKER_03 26:11

It would have been distracting enough. But you know what, Mac, I think it's so interesting that you say that, right? You think about what this movie deals with. And I think the biggest surprise for me was that obviously thinking about how much it stands up for me and how much I remembered, something that was lost on me was how fucked up this movie starts, despite it being so fun. And it's not really something that you should be able to say is a surprise. Once you've seen this movie, you know the deal, you know the stakes, it is what it is. But what does surprise me is how fucking perfectly it's executed in its tone to not deviate from that course. Because this is honestly one line of dialogue away from being really fucking depressing, and yet it balances it. And that's the Tim Burton touch, isn't it? Taking the gloomy, taking the dark, taking the macabre, but making it light, making it palatable, making it digestible for even children. And you know, I think about even the inverse of this. The inverse of this movie is the others.

SPEAKER_09 27:14

Right.

SPEAKER_03 27:15

But this is a zany 80s comedy. Like, get the fuck out of here. This is true. It's wild. Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 27:19

It is, it is. Yeah, no, you're right. I mean, it definitely, it definitely takes that heavy tone and and flips it around and does a 180 and gives you a really fun, good time. I I don't know, like it definitely, you know, thinking now, I don't know if anything really surprises me about this film, to be honest. And it's, you know, it's something that I've watched for so many times and you know, first watched at such a young age that I can't really remember how I felt when I first watched it as a kid, to be honest with you. But like, you know, Chris, you said that you were surprised by how perfectly executed the tone of the film is, right? We talked about that. And I also think that I think that it's just also surprising at how perfectly executed just the effects are because of how low budget the effects really were and how perfectly they were utilized, which adds to the tone of the movie for sure. So I think it's just another layer of what you were talking about.

SPEAKER_03 28:12

Yeah, no, let me tell you, man, this movie for sure is life gives you lemons and you squeeze it to make lemonade. This is taking a challenge or taking the idea of like what these effects could be and leaning into it and playing into it to effect versus being hindered by it, which is fucking incredible.

SPEAKER_09 28:33

Yeah. You know, and I think what I think is the most surprising actually for me when I watched this just for this episode was that I actually found a moment that I had not picked out before or don't remember picking out before. And I'm I can't wait to talk about in the second half because I'm not gonna I'm not gonna blow it up right now, but it it's just a mention. There's like a specific part in the film or it mentions something that I had never connected the dots to until this watch. And we're talking like 30 years of watching this movie. We're talking about easily probably over 30 times of watching this movie, and I just never I never noticed it before. So that has gotta be the most surprising moment for me in this film. So, but I can't tell you now.

SPEAKER_07 29:18

Yeah, I I was surprised by a couple things. There are moments that I realized are incredibly dark in the film. There's subject matter that is incredibly dark, and I don't think I ever realized that was like tucked in there. But the other thing was like how crass Betelgeuse is, because obviously that's like his character, but I didn't really like he curses and did not I did not remember that. He's like very rude, very crass, and there's like the extent of that I think was lost in memory over time, and then when watching it again, you're just like, oh man, this guy is this guy's a bad dude, and like it's kind of awesome. It was kind of a great surprise to realize, like, man, I can really get into this as an adult. And and I think like you you've mentioned, you know, tone, and the tone here is indeed perfect. And there's other movies that like deal with the subject matter in a way that like doesn't make you feel horrible, like Coco, for instance. Like Coco is a beautiful movie, but it's very it is very emotional, and it goes way more emotional than this movie.

SPEAKER_03 30:15

I still refuse to watch Coco. What do you mean? I'm not ready. I'm not ready. I know. Listen, okay, let me tell you this. I walked into Disney earlier this year, and there was a restaurant there that is themed after Day of the Dead, and they talk about this. I read one fucking sentence about like starting to get to imagine being able to say hello to those you've lost. I immediately started to like tear up, and like I had to really bring it together. One sentence on a fucking sign did that to me. I'm not ready for Coco, I can't do it.

SPEAKER_05 30:49

I am telling you, do not watch Coco.

SPEAKER_03 30:54

Thank you, Binx. Thank you for fucking understanding me and not pushing me.

SPEAKER_05 30:58

Coco is one of my favorite movies, and it is annihilation of the soul. But I have to agree with you. It's so beautifully like executed, and again, like children watch it, and it's like dark and very sad subject matter. And I guess that is that Beetlejuice, right? It's whimsical and all this other stuff, but again, that dark subject matter and the undertones of it.

SPEAKER_03 31:21

But here's the thing I think it's maintenance. I think if you have cocoa before you need cocoa you're in a great spot. I didn't have cocoa before I needed cocoa. Oh I maybe not? Okay. Well, even then, like like Beetlejuice aside, like I haven't watched Beetlejuice since I was a kid. And maybe if I had confronted these themes and made peace with those themes, like I think even like being, I think you and I went through very, very similar things, but I also think that you as a person have processed and worked through so much of that and were expecting so much of that more than I ever allowed myself to be. I see. So I think that's like a difference between us there, where I probably needed to watch Coco 70 fucking times before shit got real for me, before I moved back home. But then I didn't, and then here we are. Well, now it's too late.

SPEAKER_05 32:10

Okay. Look, I the one thing that surprised me actually didn't, but let's get into it because it's necessary. This cast, I think we've already mentioned it, but I I want to like name some names here because I think it's important. Glenn Shaddocks, Rest in Peace, also known as the voice of Mayor from Nightmare For Christmas. Important that the people know. There he is. Iconic, absolutely iconic. The People's Mayor, if you will. The People's Mayor, a thousand percent. Catherine O'Hara, do I even need to tell you where she's from? Hello. More more recently, the one and only iconic Shits Creek, but I mean incredible actress, without a doubt. My idol in life, Winona Ryder. Do I also need to get into it? Probably not. I'm not even I'm gonna leave it there because if you don't know who Winona Ryder is, then I don't even know what to tell you personally.

SPEAKER_03 33:01

Fam goddess Winona Ryder, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 33:03

There we go. We got Alec Baldwin. He's gotten into some things recently, but you know, gotta say, gotta say his name because yes, he's in it.

SPEAKER_03 33:11

Let me tell you, this is my favorite Alec Baldwin movie. Interesting. I find that I'm generally, I think, not a fan of Alec Baldwin. I think he looks kind of gross.

SPEAKER_05 33:20

It's funny that you say that because this is Alec Baldwin's least favorite movie that he's ever been in.

SPEAKER_03 33:25

Yeah, well, that makes sense. It tracks with me not liking him very much.

SPEAKER_05 33:29

Well, there you go. But you know what? Someone who you should love even more? Gina Davis, who we're actually gonna be talking about sometime soon. So I can't wait about that. But of course, the one and only, the star of the show, Michael Keaton, the people's Batman, or at least our Batman, who is literally in this movie for just 14 and a half minutes.

SPEAKER_00 33:52

Right.

SPEAKER_05 33:52

That is insane to me. He's literally the main character on only 14 and a half minutes of screen time. And let me tell you that he is incredible. Don't even let that deter you because this movie is great and just tells you how great the rest of the cast is for something like that to be the case. But all that being said, as big of a Tim Burton fan as I am, I'm gonna be the person to bring up a disappointment. Because hear me out. I have to call out Tim Burton for his earlier films and his casting, because man, boy oh boy, his earlier films are white as hell. This is like a full-blown white cast, friends. It's it's rough.

SPEAKER_07 34:37

Yeah, I think there's maybe one person in the film that isn't white.

SPEAKER_05 34:40

Uh and guess what? They're a football player. So, you know, do better, Tim Burton. I'm just saying, your earlier films are a product of his time. And I know that people are gonna be like, oh, but that's the late 80s, that's the early 90s. Uh, is it? Uh is it? I don't know, guys. I don't know.

SPEAKER_09 34:55

Yeah, it's not the best excuse.

SPEAKER_05 34:56

Not the best excuse. Really isn't. But yeah, I'll be I'll be the first one to say it. I love Tim Burton, but damn.

SPEAKER_07 35:04

There is something very unsurprising about this movie, though. And and it I think it comes from us having seen it, you know, a plethora of times. And that it's not really a scary movie for us. But I think if you're a young enough child, you know, watching this for the first time in, you know, maybe when it came out or maybe when you got it on VHS or something, like you could probably get a little spooked because there's some there's some topics, there's some visuals in here that are pretty extreme. I doubt adults will typically find this scary, but you never know.

SPEAKER_03 35:31

Hold on. A counterpoint, you don't think that the bureaucracy of death is something to be afraid of?

SPEAKER_07 35:36

Oh, at this point we've ha we have to be used to it, right? No. This this whole movie screams DMV, you know?

SPEAKER_03 35:41

Honestly, death is supposed to be a sweet, sweet release. I don't want more paperwork after I die. I think that is a frightening thought. The movie frightening, no, no, no, no, no, but I do think it paints a picture of an afterlife that is equal parts entertaining and equal parts fucking terrifying.

SPEAKER_09 35:58

I mean, yeah, but it also could be a lot worse.

SPEAKER_05 36:03

It could be so much worse, and also it I feel like it just gives you a routine, you know, like okay, sit in the waiting room, maybe have have a couple friends. I kind of compare it to like what my grandparents and like some of my neighbors must be doing when they go to the clinic, you know, and they're in the lobby area just chit-chatting with their friends and stuff.

SPEAKER_09 36:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 36:24

So it doesn't seem half bad.

SPEAKER_09 36:25

Not half bad. Not half bad.

SPEAKER_03 36:27

No thanks. I spend all that time in the Navy waiting in lobbies. I don't think I'm done with that now. Fair enough.

SPEAKER_05 36:33

Fair enough. Well, all right. So so I have to agree with Mac though, because I think to some, especially like adults, maybe you're not gonna be as intimidated or scared by this. Although the prosthetics and like costumes and makeup, special effects, all that could kind of get you a little bit. There's some I agree that there are definitely some things that are like, ooh, that's a little weird. But I don't I wouldn't put it anywhere in the caliber of of scary. I mean, there's it's a reason there is a reason why this movie is like a family-friendly-ish type horror comedy.

SPEAKER_09 37:05

Yeah, I mean, I th I guess I can see that. I mean, I don't know. I'm just trying to think back because I I, you know, I was born in '87. This movie came out in what eighty-eight. And so naturally, I probably watched this at a really, really young age uh in the early 90s. And I'm just obviously really hard to remember that far back, and I just don't remember ever being scared of this film. I do remember being scared of a lot of other things, but I don't remember being scared of this film. I remember really having a good time. So I I could see maybe there's some kids out there that might see some of the visuals in this in this film, and and maybe it sticks with them and it's a little bit frightening to witness. You're not gonna get any any like jump scare type things, really. I don't think there's anything like that or anything truly haunting that's gonna come to get you in this movie. It it's it's really just a really whole, I don't want to say wholehearted, that's kind of a weird way to put it, but just a movie about ghosts and possession that's truly like we all said for the whole family. It's it's a dark film, yes, it's with a it has a grim story, sure, but it just the way it's done just makes it feel fun, so it doesn't feel frightening at all. So I don't think you would really find or your average reader really find yourself scared anywhere during this movie, but you will have a good time. I promise you that.

SPEAKER_03 38:26

You know, and I think this is I think this is so interesting to consider. It's a good time, yes, and I think it's a good time because of its approach, uh as I mentioned earlier, as a zany 80s comedy. I think it's more original the more you think about it and the older this movie gets. But then when you think about it in a time capsule of what it is, like yes, it's a unique movie. Sure, but this is also again one of Tim Burton's really films. It has a certain level of familiarity to it. And I think family-friendly ghost movies is not something that we haven't seen before. But this is a very interesting experience for me. But the more ghost movies we get, the more I feel like this one stands out on its own. Which is usually not how that works. Usually it comes after something, and you think, damn, it really did something well. And yet this predates so much of what we consider to be a good ghost movie, and it's out here making the others look like chump change.

SPEAKER_09 39:22

Yeah, I mean, look, I don't know about I don't know about making the others look like chump change, but it's just a better feel. I think what makes I mean this this has to be an original film when we talk about original films, because you know it tell it tells you a ghost story from the other side before any other movie that I can recall really did something like that. Yeah, I think even Tim Burton himself said something along the lines of this film being like a comical version of the exorcist told from two dead people's point of view, right? And so, yeah, you can have hints of different things, but I don't think anyone had ever done anything like this, even just from the story aspect, um, set it like let alone the visuals and the zany different approach that was taken to make this movie come alive. So uh if there was an original movie that we're gonna talk about, I mean this has got to be up there with originality.

SPEAKER_03 40:17

Damn. Ghost was in 1990, two years after this movie. Right. But one was Ghostbusters. No, I'm kidding. Casper?

unknown 40:25

No.

SPEAKER_09 40:25

Yeah, but we're talking about, yeah, Casper. Well, Casper was 92, 90 something, but yeah.

SPEAKER_07 40:30

I I don't think you can compare this to another. You can compare it like in relation to other movies in terms of like how different it is, but I think trying to compare it to being super similar is just like a wasted effort. It has so many quirks that it makes it seem like its own universe that you could live in. You could just crawl into this place and it would seem logical because it's so quirky and illogical. It just has a feeling that nothing else really matches except for other Tim Burton films, except for Nightmare Before Christmas. You know, there's there's there's feelings that match it, but there's not exactly a story like it. There's not exactly the dialogue that's like this. There's just something about it that is unparalleled when it comes to any ghost movie, or honestly, what other movie is like this? Non-ghost or you know, or anything? Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 41:20

None. The answer is none. And I will say, um, so Michael McDowell, he's the original, obviously, this story is from him. It's he's one of the writers, or the main writer really. His original story for Beetlejuice was supposed to be way darker, way more sinister, and thank goodness. No offense, Michael McDowell, but thank goodness that that wasn't the case, because then it would have been so similar to what we've already seen, right? What makes this so unique is that it's zany and light and funny. We keep saying it around something that it could be very dark or is dark, right? Um and I definitely agree with Tim Burton that it's got a little bit of exorcist from a different perspective, even poltergeist as well. Um, but I agree with you too, Mac, whether it's like you can't necessarily compare this movie to anything else and say that they are exactly the same. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, it's got the hints of this and that, but it's something that is so unique, and that's why it's withstood the test of time. Why we've seen so many things unfold after this. Why, you know, we've got Halloween Horror Knights that just recently, uh just a few years ago, did a house based off of Beetlejuice, which I went to.

SPEAKER_00 42:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 42:36

Was incredible, had a blast. We've got, we used to have uh speaking of actually uh Universal, they used to do a show for Halloween Horror Nights. They they've got Beetlejuice walking the street. Like he's just an iconic character, it's an iconic movie. That is the testament of how original, in my opinion, this movie is.

SPEAKER_03 42:55

You know what else stands a test of time though? That fucking ending. Because I loved it. This ending gets better every single time I see it. And you know, I mentioned earlier about how this movie feels like a warm hug. The ending of this movie feels like the deep sigh that comes after a good, satisfying hug. Like when you're still in the clutches of embrace and you're just dang.

SPEAKER_09 43:18

What a that's a good way to put that though, because I I mean I didn't really I didn't really know how to put words to how I felt about the ending outside of it just feels like a really perfect happy ending. It just very lighthearted, right? And and not to say like that the film didn't take a lighthearted approach to a dark tone that we keep saying, but when you compare it to the rest of the film, it was a very, you know, lighthearted, nice, wholesome, happy ending.

SPEAKER_05 43:45

Without a doubt. And for me, I just think like all I'll say is that Harry, Belafonte, and Beetlejuice are synonymous in my head forever.

SPEAKER_09 43:53

For sure.

SPEAKER_05 43:54

It is the perfect combo. And that I'll leave it at that. I've got nothing else more to add other than, yep, ending is fine. Phenomenal cherry on top, the sigh after a great hug. That was such a good example, Chris.

SPEAKER_07 44:05

You know, a lot of movies I think have an ending that like lands the plane, but it lands the plane kind of wobbly and you feel the impact. This movie lands a plane with like fireworks. Like you touch down, and there are literally fireworks exploding everywhere. You didn't even feel the impact of the road. All you feel is just like, wow, I thought the ride was good and now we landed and the landing was great. It it just absolutely executes a great feeling ending. And most movies can't come close to that. They're just trying to make it through.

SPEAKER_03 44:33

Everybody claps at the end and is getting off the plane swiftly and efficiently. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 44:40

God damn it, Chris. I was gonna say, is this an example of where people clapping when the plane lands is acceptable? Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 44:49

Uh it's never acceptable, first of all.

SPEAKER_05 44:51

Not even for Beetlejuice.

SPEAKER_07 44:52

Not, you know, but let's say you were watching Beetlejuice on a plane as it landed. Yes, that would be acceptable.

SPEAKER_03 44:58

That's that's what I wanted to know. It's very important to be specific. So, Mac, when you fly in for the meetup, I expect you to watch Beetlejuice and clap. I want a video.

SPEAKER_07 45:06

I don't know that I could do that, you know? I don't I don't know that I could solo clap while watching a movie with headphones in or something. That might people might be a little scared of me.

SPEAKER_03 45:14

Damn. Well, obviously we've had a lot of great things to say, but I think it's time we start making our way to our ratings and make this shit official. Before we get there though, Sean, how would you describe the gore score?

SPEAKER_09 45:25

I mean, well, there really isn't there really isn't much real gore in this film, so it's definitely getting a low gore score, but like what it does have is some really wacky and fun effects that can, you know, to your to the points we made earlier, they might be alarming for some small children, but nothing to elevate the gore score here. It's it's getting a low gore score for sure.

SPEAKER_05 45:47

And what about the animal report? You know, no animals are harmed in this movie, but I can't believe I'm gonna say this. They did do harm. Yeah. So that dog's got a body count. It's crazy. Yeah, yeah. So that that's where I leave this animal report. It's an it's a unique one this time around.

SPEAKER_09 46:04

The collector would not be happy about this film.

SPEAKER_03 46:07

No, not at all. He would not. Well, let's go ahead and get into our ratings then. Beetlejuice from 1988, in commemoration of Binks' birthday. Was it a hack or a slash?

SPEAKER_05 46:16

Yeah, you know what? Let's let's do it. You said it. Let's get the obvious out of the way. This is obviously a slash for me. But we're gonna humor me on the eve of my birthday so that I can get into one of my favorite movies of all time. To quote Beetlejuice, actually, I've seen Beetlejuice about 167 times, and it keeps getting funnier every single time I see it. Okay? This movie is a fun time from start to finish. It's incredibly quotable, obviously. And quite frankly, look, bold take I'm about to make, but I feel like I'm right. It's one of the most iconic films of the 80s, one of the best movies of the 80s. And yeah, I mean, fight me on it. I don't know. I I think that's true. I I think that this movie is so fantastic to have on the background. It's fantastic to sit and watch while being with friends. It's fantastic when you're feeling down and just want to dance around to Harry Bolafonte's jams to get out of a funk. Because I know I've been there, and I can promise you that. You know, so I'll stop there because I can quite literally go on forever. So, once more, for good measure, this is an absolutely no doubt in my mind, a fucking slash.

SPEAKER_09 47:21

Woo! Okay. Spicy. Well, I mean, dang. Yeah, there you go. I'm sure you can guess the direction that this scoring is gonna go. For I mean, I would hope for all of us, but definitely for me. The story in this film is great. It's a classic horror comedy that it I mean, it still stands up today. It might have even gotten better, I dare say. Some would say it ages like fine wine. Uh, the cast and the acting is great. It's the zany low budget effects make it even better. Michael Keaton as Beetlejuice is Chef's Kiss. Tim Burton is truly a visionary. Uh, it really shows in this movie. You can't help but to really appreciate the creativity that the mind of Tim Burton has and how he's able to translate that to the screen. This film has cemented itself in the horror genre and has has really become one of my favorite films of all time. This is a forever slash for me.

SPEAKER_07 48:17

Wow. What else can you say, honestly? Beetlejuice is an absolute classic. I think everything about it's fantastic. The actors are at their peak, the visuals are bright and fantastical. The music is like an instant core memory when you hear it. The pacing is perfect, and the story is solid. It is just a 100% slash.

SPEAKER_03 48:37

Well, listen, I don't want to stop a good thing while it's going. This movie is definitely a slash. I'm disappointed in myself for not having watched this more recently. And I do think that perhaps if I had, you know, continued watching it into my adulthood, maybe I could have done some better processing in preparation for losing people in life. I think this movie paints the afterlife or paints, you know, just coping with death in a really interesting way, in a way that takes the edge off, in a way that really would have cut through a lot of the grief that we had earlier in the year. And I think what stands out to me the most from this movie in particular is the fact that while I didn't watch it into my adulthood, I think it has cemented itself as a movie I'm going to show my kids. Like this is a great pairing with Nightmare Before Christmas, which again is a perfect November 1st to December 25th movie. But I think it pairs itself really nicely with that and is actually going to be the foundation of like a horror collection that I build for my future children. I don't know how many pure wholesome movies we're gonna be doing on this show, but this is a great way to kick it off with a universal slash. Now, you can find this movie streaming online. You can check the link in our show notes to see where you can find it right now. Either way, join us in the second half so we can unpack this goodness together. We'll see you in a bit.

SPEAKER_07 50:06

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SPEAKER_09 52:00

So we're gonna we're not really gonna dive into that, but we do see a lot of dead people, aka ghosts, so let's talk about them. Who is the ghost with the most?

SPEAKER_05 52:11

My vote is the charred man in the waiting room that offers Adam the cigarette because tell me that isn't a vibe, you know? It is. You're in the waiting room, you're dead, you're burnt to a little crisp, and yeah, it's because of the cigarette, but you're just gonna keep on smoking it because, well, you're stuck here forever.

SPEAKER_04 52:29

Might as well chill out and relax, I guess.

SPEAKER_09 52:32

I mean, this is true. I mean, do you think, you know, he's also obviously a chain smoker, but you think he like died in a fire?

SPEAKER_04 52:38

Probably by his own hand with his cigarette.

SPEAKER_09 52:40

Maybe maybe fell asleep. Yeah, maybe fell asleep with the cigarette burning. Absolutely. Lit his house on fire, died.

SPEAKER_05 52:46

Sucks a suck, I guess.

SPEAKER_09 52:48

Hey, it happens.

SPEAKER_05 52:49

There's gotta be a mega, like, I don't give a fuck energy with that though, if you keep on smoking cigarette even in the afterlife.

SPEAKER_03 52:55

Well, I'm already dead. How much worse can we get, you know? Kind of that. That's the thing. You know, I actually think my favorite ghost is Miss Argentina, who is also the receptionist in this afterlife. One, she's hilarious. Two, she's probably good at her job, even if she doesn't really care at it. Three, I love the added complexity here of her being the uh I would say like the person to really snap them into hey, you've already been you've only been dead for weeks and you already need help. This is how it works, everything's in the manual. But then she also explains to them how everyone else goes through death and how it's such a personal thing. And she talks about I wouldn't have had my little accident had I known.

SPEAKER_08 53:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 53:36

You know what I mean? Like there's some depth there, even for a character who's pretty fucking funny.

SPEAKER_09 53:42

This is true. I love that part too. Oh my gosh. So good, so good.

SPEAKER_07 53:47

I also love that she's like so brightly colored, you know, because I think a lot of times you imagine ghosts are gonna be pale and boring, and her hair and her skin tone are just like super cool.

SPEAKER_01 53:57

You know, I think it's because she was bold, bright, and full of life.

SPEAKER_07 54:01

Miss Argentina, what can you say, you know?

SPEAKER_01 54:03

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_07 54:03

I do, I do enjoy the magician's assistant as well, aka the woman sitting on the couch with her, you know, body cut in half. I I like that she's you know, she's reading, she's chilling. It's kind of it's kind of I don't know, it's kind of silly because you would imagine, you know, magicians would never risk their assistance with actual sharp objects here. And it's like, well, what if they actually did and things went wrong, and now she has to pay the price forever and you know, for all eternity and everything. But I don't know. I just like love the attitude that she has when Beetlejuice is being disgusting and she ain't she ain't here for it. She's not gonna deal with it.

SPEAKER_09 54:36

Yeah, she's not having none of that. I don't know the name of the dude, but the guy that looked like he swallowed like a rib and it got caught sideways in his in his neck or in his throat or whatever, and likely just choked and died on that. Man, that sucks, you know. I don't know why that rib went down his throat. I don't I don't know how you eat ribs, but I definitely don't try to swallow them, you know. But man, what a way to go. Yikes. What about Juno though? Juno was interesting, right? She changed smoke too. She was great. She was great. But it didn't look like she died from smoking, it looked like somebody slit her throat.

SPEAKER_03 55:10

You know, Juno's been through some shit, and let me just tell you that all these ghosts are working so hard in the afterlife, they're dealing with people's bullshit, they're dealing with the paperwork of it all. I don't blame them.

SPEAKER_09 55:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 55:23

I'd be over that shit too.

SPEAKER_09 55:24

But it was really cool when she is smoking though, that the smoke is like exhaling through her neck, which I thought was a really good touch.

SPEAKER_05 55:33

Yeah, it's a great touch for I don't know, like consistency purposes or like just like how it should work, but man, is that like disgusting. I guess Harry the Hunter, you know, with the shrunken head, I think iconic. That's another memorable one, especially as a kid. I was like, whoa, that's very odd to see.

SPEAKER_09 55:54

Definitely, definitely.

SPEAKER_04 55:56

Without a doubt, obviously. That one's a pretty memorable one for sure.

SPEAKER_09 56:00

That one sticks with you. Like when you think of the whole scene, like that, you that's one maybe because they focus on it the most, but it definitely sticks out. Him and and the witch doctor.

SPEAKER_05 56:10

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_09 56:11

Oh man.

SPEAKER_05 56:11

And also the football players, they were so sweet. I mean, they were so annoying to Juno, but at the same time, like, you know, they just wanted to know what's good, coach. Like, what next?

SPEAKER_03 56:23

You know what that reminds me of though? A sequel to Beetlejuice could have the alternate version of if the entire cast of yellow jackets actually tied in the plane crash.

SPEAKER_09 56:35

Okay. Buzz, buzz, buzz. Okay, though, okay. But now that we're talking about like the ghosts, right? And all these ghosts that we're talking about are in this, you know, waiting room. You're talking about yellow jackets and planes crashing. The one thing I was talking about earlier that I didn't catch until this watch for some reason is that there's a moment when they're waiting, Adam and Barbara waiting, and like that PA announcement goes off, and it literally says Flight 409 is like arriving at gate three. And flight 409 is like an infamous United Airlines plane that crashed somewhere in like Wyoming back in 1955, and every single fucking passenger died on that plane, but nobody knows how or why it went down.

SPEAKER_00 57:20

Oof.

SPEAKER_09 57:21

Which is interesting that they kind of threw that in there so subtly, and I in 30 years didn't catch it until just now.

SPEAKER_03 57:28

Yeah, the next movie is gonna have flight 180 for final destination.

SPEAKER_09 57:32

Nice.

SPEAKER_03 57:33

Obviously, I'm full of shit, but it'd be fucking hilarious.

SPEAKER_05 57:36

Wow. I didn't know that. Well, to be fair, I also didn't I don't think I really even knew about that flight to begin with, but that's incredible.

SPEAKER_07 57:45

You know, this does bring me to my favorite thing to look at in this movie, and it is the ghosts in total. I think a lot of movies have ghosts that look the same, and that's so boring and so played out, and every ghost here like has a uniqueness to them. They like really wanted them to like look like their death, except for, of course, our two main ghosts, but because you know, being wet for an entire film would be really uncomfortable. That's liter legitimately why they weren't wet the entire film, is because you know, they realized like, oh, that would be like really uncomfortable for the actors to do. But I actually liked that they didn't look gross, you know. But everyone else, with their oh god, like being cut in half, having a shrunken head, being burned to a crisp, being flattened like a pancake, whatever it was. I didn't like the one that was hanging. That wasn't I wasn't a huge fan of, but I just love that everyone was super unique, super independent. They all had that their like their own character expressed in their costume. What a brilliant idea.

SPEAKER_05 58:45

Absolutely. I mean, there's a reason that this film won an Oscar for its makeup work because it's just so freaking good. So good, so memorable. You mentioned costumes. I think that's my favorite scene because there is no way on this planet that I will ever think of a red dress, an elegant, like 80s, 90s type of vibe, you know, wedding dress, and not think of Lydia's red wedding dress. Like that's just seared in my head. Honestly, all of Lydia's costumes are out of this world phenomenal. I think the one that resonates with me the most that is just like so my energy is her with the with the big hat when she's first taking the pictures outside. That whole outfit is like it's just Chef's kiss. So, so good. And one thing I'll say, another thing that like it's not just me. This is just a why don't think. Tell me that you don't think of white and black stripes, and maybe you think of a zebra, but you also probably think of Beetlejuice.

SPEAKER_09 59:47

100%.

SPEAKER_03 59:48

I think of three things and three things only before I even get to zebra. I think of Beetlejuice, Nightmare Before Christmas, and that was Presley's Jeha's Rock. You messed me with the last one. Of course I did, Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:02

But think about like how incredible that is. Just like two hues. I mean, literally white and black stripes, and you have like instantly thought of two movies. That's just incredible. It's it's it's just like a testament to the work and the costume design work and like what they imagined, the feel of these characters to basically create an entire brand that has lasted over 30 years just based off of white and black. Incredible. I can't such good work.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:38

But the costumes for everybody are incredible. Like when Otho's on that little, I don't know, deck, and he's wearing like a kimono.

SPEAKER_09 1:00:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:46

All right, first of all, you're fabulous. So we love that. But Catherine O'Hara is so stunning in this film, just an absolute work of art. And her costume, it's just it's absolutely New York. When she first shows up, like decked out in black, and you're just like, oh, 100% New York. And then we see Lydia, of course, also wearing all black, but in a very different kind of different way. It's just brilliant, brilliant. And then, of course, the husband, the father, kind of looks like a finance bro, you know? He's got he's got the button down on. You can tell that he works in an office.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:18

Have you ever seen two people more mismatched than these two people?

SPEAKER_09 1:01:22

Right, right. I mean, you know, it it played well. It played well, I thought.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:27

Oh, absolutely.

SPEAKER_09 1:01:28

But yeah, they definitely were uh polar opposites from the way they looked to the personalities, completely just opposites.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:36

How did that man contribute to the making of Lydia Dietz? I I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:41

I was gonna think it was responsible, but I actually yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:01:43

Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:44

Exactly, exactly, exactly.

SPEAKER_09 1:01:47

That's true, I know. Where's the where's the real uh mother, you know?

SPEAKER_03 1:01:51

I would believe more so that Lydia Dietz is Adelia Dietz tormented daughter with a strange relationship with her mother, than I would believe that she's Charles's daughter.

SPEAKER_09 1:02:01

That feels weird. It does actually, now that now that you mention it, it does kind of feel a little odd and misplaced for sure. Yeah, you know, costumes, makeup, definitely. Obviously, we can talk about the effects all day long. There were some really good looking, like I'm obviously not amazing effects, but like the effects and the way that that they worked with it was just so fun. Like you think about you know, scenes where Adam and Barbara are like pitching their scare tactics to Juno, like that effect on their faces or whatever they did, elongating the face and taking the eyeballs out and all that was super, super fun, really cool to look at, even when they're like being you know summoned into their wedding clothes, minus the transition effects, of course, because those were terrible, but the way they looked afterwards as they were rotting and decomposing, really, really cool. But thinking of like a I know this can be a little bit odd, maybe interesting, but I really this time around felt myself really enjoying even just the opening credits where it's going through the town, the like the aerial view of going into the town, and then it like it actually like slowly like transitions into the model town at some point when it's going closer to the house or whatever, which I you know I just really appreciated this time. Like it's it was just a cool little visual to get.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:20

Yeah, I think that transition was super seamless, and again, another one like as a kid, I was like, wow, this is incredible.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:27

And also, like, maybe that this isn't necessarily visual, maybe I don't know, but like the concept of having like a little tiny home type thing was so cool to me as a kid. So just the way that they seamlessly transition that I think was just like wow, and then what is this thing? A whole tiny town, like that they have built out. It reminds me of like the little toys I play at home, you know. Like, I don't know, it's just so cool.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:52

There's something so cool about like all the miniatures throughout the film. Yeah. Because they, I don't know what it is about miniatures. You know that they're not like the real thing, and you know that they're silly, but it actually feels more real than a lot of the effects we get these days because it feels tangible, it feels like you could pick up the miniature, you would feel the texture just by looking at it. And you get stuff like CGI these days, and you're just like, I don't feel anything. But you're looking at like that fake grass, and you're like, I know what that feels like. I know what that phone feels like on my on my thumb.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:21

And to me, that's like the beauty of Tim Burton and his whole thing with stop motion, because there's there's just such an element of like of that. Like you feel like you're in it, you're watching something that's different, that's like you're just trying to make sense of it a little bit, and that's with Nightmare Before Christmas, that's with Corpse Bride, that's with you know, all of these things, and even in Beetlejuice, where it's in a few moments here and there, but that I think it's such a different thing that man, why is there not enough stop motion nowadays? Well, I guess Wes Anderson definitely is another big biggie fan of that, but yeah, I think now when we're we talked about obviously the sequel, but when we think of that, I'm like we gotta do stop motion. I really hope so, because that's like the gem of this movie. Or one of the gems, obviously there's a ton, but like a big part of it is the visual and the stop motion, and like you were saying, Mac, like you just kind of like love the miniature stuff because you feel like you're there and you can tangibly like understand what that's like versus just seeing it on regular screen.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:21

Man, that was so much of what I think made this movie so special, and you really said it beautifully. It needs to make a comeback, and especially with Tim Burton styling in particular, and that actually shows up really well in my favorite scene. Man, I love the little nods we get and the groundwork that's laid and the foundation that's set for what's to come with a nightmare before Christmas. Because, ooh, when we get this moment when Beetlejuice is finally emerging into the real world where we actually see him do some shit, and we have a little Jack Skellington at the top of the carousel. That's on top of his head. And we also see in you know at several points in the movie the sandworm that was inspiration for the snake design and Nightmare Before Christmas.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:08

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:09

This style, this aesthetic, it comes to life so beautifully. And obviously, you're watching this in 1988, and you know, this is just a Beetlejuice thing. Maybe you appreciate it more on Nightmare Before Christmas, but I know that I saw Nightmare Before Christmas before I saw Beetlejuice. So it's always been like an Easter egg kind of sensation for me. But man, to see these two worlds coexist and to see these two aesthetics coexist in such a great moment where Beetlejuice, for as little as he's on screen in this movie, he shows up and he shows out and chaos ensues. And I think that's where he actually becomes like we get we get the payoff of what a malevolent force he is. And it's just such a fun, delightful moment.

SPEAKER_09 1:06:51

I see it now, right? But like I it's true, because like watching both movies as a kid, I never connected those dots. But now you watch it and you're like really appreciating well. I guess you would say like you consider it an Easter egg, but really it might be an Easter egg in nightmare before Christmas, right? But man, yeah, what a good thought.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:11

And he's got a few of those, even with like Mars attacks as well and and whatnot. Plenty of like premonitions of his to-come work.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:19

My favorite scene, I think, was the easiest one to pick out, though. I uh it's the most obvious one. It's the banana boat scene.

unknown 1:07:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:26

Right? I mean, how can you not love that scene? It's so silly because when you're watching it, you can get into the movie and you're gonna be like, this is kind of ridiculous, right? But when you think about it, it's like these actors had to pretend to be possessed while singing a Harry Belafonte song. It probably was so fun. Right? It had to have been fun to film that scene because they just got to be absolutely ridiculous. Yeah. And and what's not to love about that?

SPEAKER_09 1:07:51

I wonder how long it took to like get that all the way through. Oh, that'd be cool. How many takes did that take?

SPEAKER_07 1:07:58

I would be the one to mess it up on purpose just to do it again. Just to keep going.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:02

I'm surprised that I actually I feel like at one point in time I knew the routine. At this point, I definitely don't. But I'm I I wish I could go back in time and tell my younger self in the middle of a Sunday dinner, go and do that routine right now, in the middle of of dinner and see what'll happen. You can do that when you have kids. Oh, when I have kids, are you kidding me? When I have kids, that's that's ritual. You better shake, shake, shake, sonora, okay.

SPEAKER_09 1:08:30

For me, because I feel like outside of outside of the banana boat song, right? I I feel like the the most iconic scene that sticks out to me is literally when it's really just the two moments, right? When it when we see like that office waiting room scene, like you see Adam and Barbara in there waiting initially, but then really it's when Beetlejuice is in there pulling the number, right? And and taking a seat. And I think, man, Mac, you said it earlier, it's giving DMV vibes, and it's so fucking true. I don't know. I mean, I haven't really had that experience out here in Florida, but in California, or at least in LA, that is the fucking DMV. You will die in that waiting room. You can get there at six o'clock in the morning, and there's already a line trying to get in, and you pull a number and you're sitting there and you're waiting for it to come up, and all you get, I mean, it's just sitting there like now serving window or like B65 at window number four, and you're just sitting there like, when the fuck is mine coming? And it just like skips numbers, it makes no fucking sense. You're just there forever.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:47

It skips letters of the alphabet.

SPEAKER_09 1:09:49

It's your whole fucking day. You just want to die.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:54

I had this three years in a row going to the local tax office in Miami and waiting to pay cash for our property taxes. It was a fucking nightmare.

SPEAKER_08 1:10:05

Yeah. It's terrible.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:07

The only thing I could compare it to is sometimes at the Publix by my house, the deli.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:13

I don't know, man. They just start shouting different numbers, and I'm like, I can't stand here any longer. I just want some ham. Okay.

SPEAKER_09 1:10:20

Oh man, it's like that football commercial. He pulls a number and they're like, whatever they call his number, he's like, 52, that's me. That's me. Go and get some cold cuts today. That's me.

SPEAKER_08 1:10:32

That's me.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:35

It's literally me.

SPEAKER_09 1:10:36

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:38

I love all of your favorite scenes, truthfully. And I can't even imagine picking just one because I'm so serious when I say, like, I watched this movie and I really tried to think about what is my favorite scene. The whole movie is my favorite scene. But I know I have to say something. So one thing that I'll just bring up is I guess my opening quote, right? So Lydia, when she like has her real like good moment to speak to Barbara and Adam, like her, you get like some good dialogue out of her. This is like Winona Ryder, like ready to go. Her reaction when she's taking those Polaroids and realizes that they have no feet is like just pure awe and like could care less about the fact that like she's seeing these ghosts and just the way that she delivers that, like, I myself am strange and unusual. I can't even begin to tell you. That was when it was like that that clicked for me. I was like, Yep, I'm Lydia Dietz. And I think in some ways, when I was re-watching this movie, I was like, man, maybe that's why like I'm so fascinated by like ghosts and paranormal. Although I am not fully Lydia Dietz, where I wouldn't be so cool, common collected if I like took a picture and there were no feet of a you know what I mean? Like, I'm I am myself and I'm a little chicken shit every now and then. So like I might scream. But would I then want to know about them a little bit more? Would I use some of the practices I've learned to make sure that they're not like demons or something crazy? Hell yeah. But I just think she like really spoke to a group of young girls in their childhood or in their like in the prime of their teenage years that felt like they were just strange and unusual and like liked things that weren't very gender-specific, like to women, right? Like I loved wearing all black, and yeah, I played with Barbies and all that other stuff, but I love I favored things that were all black. I favored weird music, I favored like all of this stuff that Lydia Deeds embodied in this movie that just that quote alone was like, ugh, I feel seen. I feel so seen.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:45

Which I think is such a testament to her character, right? And just a lot of the character work that went into this movie. I think so many of the people that we get, whether they're as simple as ghosts in the waiting room or as core and central figures as the entire Deeds family, and then Adam and Barbara, they feel so authentic. Even when we have extremely bizarre lines of dialogue. I mean, how authentic can you really say Beetlejuice is? And yet, man, he really does feel like a crusty perv, doesn't he?

SPEAKER_09 1:13:19

He does. He does. It's a it's part of his uh strange charm.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:25

You know, speaking of strange and unusual in ghosts, can I make a confession?

SPEAKER_09 1:13:29

Oh, sure.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:30

I'm scared.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:31

I think I am team kind of believes in ghosts.

SPEAKER_09 1:13:35

Oh okay. Let's hear, let's please listen. Let's hear more.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:40

I rem okay, still like jury's out, but I heard some rather convincing shit. And I want to research more because I heard this like through a couple YouTube videos, but I heard it from a podcast that my girlfriend was playing as I was like struggling to stay awake driving back from from Disney. Are you all familiar with the story of Teresita Basa? No, no. She was murdered in the 70s.

SPEAKER_08 1:14:06

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:07

Alright? So that she was murdered, there aren't any leads, and at some point one of her co-workers, and they're both from the Philippines, is channeling her. Like her husband says that she's been like either on the phone talking to someone else, and then suddenly shifts and starts speaking very differently, or wakes up from sleep a dead sleep, sits up and starts talking in a voice that's different, speaking to Galag, and is speaking as though she is Teresita Basa, and she's asking her husband for help. Please help me, please help me. Call the police, tell them who did this. She names her killer and then also says he has this specific jewelry from my apartment.

SPEAKER_08 1:14:53

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:54

And so she was like, Okay, it's Alan Chori. And so the husband and wife, they're like, This is fucking weird. We're not going to the cops, this is bizarre. We want to forget the whole thing ever happens. But then she keeps having these experiences, and they eventually go to the cops. So the cops are like, This is fucking bizarre. But they check it out, yeah, and it was the guy, and he had all the jewelry.

SPEAKER_09 1:15:15

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:16

Isn't that crazy?

SPEAKER_09 1:15:17

That is wild.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:18

Like, listen, I know there are like some inconsistency, I think, in how the story has been reported over the years, but it was an episode of Unsolved Mysteries, I think, in like the 80s or 90s.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:26

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:27

And like I I'm now obsessed, and I want to like read everything I can because holy fucking shit. Because this guy was convicted. Granted, he didn't end up serving the full term that he should have, but this man went to jail. He was convicted. Yeah. All the evidence was there. And this all started because someone said the ghost was talking. It was weird. Let's go, Mac.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:49

Go ahead. What do you have to say?

SPEAKER_07 1:15:52

Um, you know, this is it's a good ghost story, and obviously I would have to look it up to see it's a good ghost story. Why it's wrong, but you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:02

I'm gonna drop a link in the show notes specifically to this. And I believe the podcast was morbid that covered it. I think that's the one I'm thinking of. I'll drop a link to that in Mac. You can also look it up. But that shit seems weird. And like what they're saying is it's not like these people made it up for fame because they never wanted to do interviews about it. Like the husband and wife, they never wanted to talk about it. They only went to the police, and that was it.

SPEAKER_09 1:16:29

Wild.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:29

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_09 1:16:30

That is wild. Wait, this was on a podcast that you were listening to?

SPEAKER_03 1:16:34

Yeah, podcast, but then if you look up the name Teresida Basa, it comes like the whole story comes up in several different ways. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:41

I mean, you know, there's you'll never know what the true, the, the, the actual truth is because at this point it's just a story, you know, that we can we have a limited account of because who knows what the actual truth is. And in my book, it's more likely that details were there that, you know, needed to manifest themselves in some kind of useful way. And so this is the story they came up with to get this person caught. Who knows?

SPEAKER_05 1:17:04

Mac, I appreciate your copy and paste response to situations such as these when you don't have enough material to have a full rebuttal, because sometimes you need that to kind of buy yourself time. But if you think that I am not expecting a follow-up to this, then you don't know me at all.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:25

You know, what's what's more likely that this ghost manifested herself into this this co-worker, or that she suspected this person all along and didn't have a way of you know getting him caught.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:36

How? By the thin air, she just knew who this guy was? Here's the thing she had barely known anybody at this job. So it wasn't like they were like lifelong friends or like they'd all been in each other's circles forever. So I don't think it's it's as clean cut as you would expect, Mac. But I'd be curious. Let's see, let's follow up, let's follow up on our next ghost movie. I'm out here, team Binks, team Banks. Listen, all I'm saying is it was listening to that, being obsessed with that story, then watching this movie, I'm like, fuck man, these ghosts might be on to something.

SPEAKER_09 1:18:06

That's wild. But you know, aside from what what Beetlejuice may have been like in his living days or what what have you, but you know, overall, just the character of Beetlejuice and like his the way that he looked was just I can you imagine it any other way? I mean, it was just really perfect, right? We talked about like the the stripes, right, and that's iconic, but even just like the hair, the teeth, right, the makeup, that like whatever the hell is growing on his face, if it's rotting flesh or mold or warts or whatever the hell. I mean, just the whole the whole vibe, the whole look of Beetlejuice, it's really man, just so perfect. I can't even imagine it another way.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:49

I'd just like to remind you that he kissed Gina David Gina Davis with that mouth.

SPEAKER_09 1:18:54

He did. Disgusting. He did. Oh my god, after he like was eating flies and cockroaches and ooh. Fucking disgusting.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:01

Michael Keaton, bless your heart. I don't know how you can be so disgusting and still so fucking incredible.

SPEAKER_08 1:19:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:06

And the fact that he isn't even fully shown head on until 45 minutes, approximately 45 minutes into the film.

SPEAKER_09 1:19:14

Right?

SPEAKER_05 1:19:15

Isn't that nuts?

SPEAKER_09 1:19:16

It is wild. That is crazy.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:18

It's also weird to me, like to imagine that he was young when he did this, right? Yeah. Because he has like the energy of somebody who is much older.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:26

Like he had hair back then, you know, because Batman had hair. So yeah, it's it's crazy. Like, look when you look at him, he seems really old and really gross. And he he honestly, I think, like completely pulled it off.

SPEAKER_09 1:19:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:42

The sounds he was making, the voices that he was doing, just that must have been like so much work. It must have taken so much energy.

SPEAKER_09 1:19:49

Oh, I'm sure. I mean, even oh god, man, even that even that commercial that he does that's like playing on the old TV, and then it goes into the commercial. That whole bit was it was fucking hilarious. That what does he say? That ironic line, he's like, get a free demon possession with every exorcism. Like, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_03 1:20:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:20:08

That's too good. That's too good.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:10

He's incredible.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:11

He really is. I know the movie is about him, but I also just gotta give a quick shout out to Adam and Barbara because ooh, man, what stars. I completely forgot what a fucked up way this movie starts. And A, Two Weeks at Home, A Perfect Vacation, how funny that they end up stuck there for eternity. But we think about the fact that there's these there's this tension between them and Jane and the commentary on the family, and you never know, you know, obviously they don't have kids, but the dialogue makes it seem like they had tried. And who knows if it was the extent of just difficulties getting pregnant? Perhaps it was maybe that they lost a child, maybe that uh they can't conceive a child, so there's a lot of complexity there that doesn't even really get addressed. But either way, they have lives that are cut short. You know what I mean? It seems like unfinished business, a life unfulfilled. Not even just with their, not even like they there was something that they needed to do, but it was very clear that they wanted that together and they were gonna do it within their own time, and they found their slice of happiness together, and they were gonna approach life as it unfolded. So I loved being able to see that they had A, this ambition for their future, but then B, I can like an honest contentment and happiness with each other and where they were.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:36

But I also love then at the end seeing that they got to live through the family that they wanted with Lydia. That was an absolutely beautiful moment.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:45

And I think like when they have the is it the name is her name Grace, I think, that her and her daughter are always matching or whatever. When she comes in and she says that line to Barbara, like, Oh, this house is much too big for a couple that doesn't have kids, you know, like, man, fuck off. You know, like geez. I especially now as an adult, right? Because as a kid, I don't understand, or I don't, I don't that connotation just like flies over my head, obviously. But as an adult, I'm thinking to myself, like, man, how shitty is it to hear something like that? Like, I can't have a house that has more than one room or whatever, or like a house, however the hell big it is, just because I don't have children or whatever the case may be. Like, that's just so silly. But I will say, now that we are talking about Barbara and Adam, actually, two things. One is I love their chemistry.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:33

Right.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:33

And I, as I was re-watching it, you know, this time around, obviously, I was thinking to myself, man, I wonder, like as a kid, what I must have thought about the two of them together. Like, did I think like, man, is like what a what a great example of like two people that like love each other, are there for each other? Because you don't necessarily ever really see at all Barbara and Adam fighting with each other or like nothing negative. They're like a solid team. But I will say the second thing is they are the epitome of fuck around and find out, you know, they're definitely high up there on that list, without a doubt, because they're they're out here like you were told explicitly not to call Beetlejuice. And the look on Barbara's face when she's like, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, you know, like bitch, what are you doing? Juno couldn't have gotten any more clearer. You just had a whole she just gave a whole speech as to what this man is capable of to some extent, and you're like, ooh, let's see what happens. Well, you found out. Yeah, you sure did.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:33

That is a life that has been unmarred by fucking around and finding out. Those who have not fucked around quite enough in their past to have found out already. So this is the moment they find out, and that's pretty high stakes. Yeah, that's one way to put it.

SPEAKER_07 1:23:48

I I did like though how Adam he wasn't necessarily a jerk, but he was kind of a little bit of a jerk to the townspeople. You know, when he's when he's going into the hardware shop, and one question, is that his hardware shop, or did he just like walk in and take it? It seems like it's his shop. Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:04

Because it's also named after him. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:24:07

Oh, okay. Well, that makes sense. Okay, so he walks into the hardware shop then, his hardware shop, but he passes by the barber who just is like talking and he just like, whatever, dude, and just like ignores him, goes about his business, comes back in, hops out the car, and is like, peace, homie. And that was kind of hilarious.

SPEAKER_09 1:24:25

Dude. It was funny. But the dude was talking the whole time. It was so funny.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:29

It was really funny, but it also goes to show that, like, for whatever it is that he and Barbara have been through, they still thought they had their whole lives in front of them. You know what I mean? That's what those little moments show. He is there on vacation, he just wants to get back to his vacation, get back to his house. And I think about so many of those moments, right? Granted, this Barbara Maine mean very little to him, right? So maybe if he knew this was his last day on earth, maybe he wouldn't have stopped to fucking talk to this guy anyway. But the fact that he was in such a rush and so like, oh, all right, I'm just gonna keep going and and hey, have a good one. It just shows that he was he was hurrying to slow down. And it I think it just shows like a really interesting point of like where they were in that moment right before they died.

SPEAKER_09 1:25:18

That's an interesting thought, yeah, for sure. Before they got got by a dog. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:22

Listen, shout out to the dog with a higher body count than most killers we've seen in this franchise and this year in some movies.

SPEAKER_09 1:25:30

You know who had better chemistry than Delia and Charles? It was Delia and Otho.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:36

Yes, Sean. Yes, I have the same thing written down. That is hilarious. Yo, shout out to the grand duo.

SPEAKER_08 1:25:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:46

Otho and Delia are iconic besties.

SPEAKER_08 1:25:50

Yeah. Iconic besties.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:52

Chemistry. Oh my gosh, rest in peace. I think he's such a great actor for this role. Like, oh, he did it so, so well.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:00

And it's just like the energy that they play off of each other. Again, Catherine O'Hara, she just rocks this kind of persona when it comes to these characters that are like so pretentious and so ridiculous. Right. And then you have someone who's like a paranormal type of guy who's also just like here for the aesthetic and the vibe. Iconic.

SPEAKER_09 1:26:20

It was good.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:21

Completely iconic.

SPEAKER_09 1:26:22

And and one of my favorite moments between the two of them is like when they're walking through the house, like marking up things and what they're gonna do, and they and they open up the closet, and Barbara's like hanging there trying to scare them. They obviously don't see you, they push her out of the way, but like you think you know, she's got that crazy face and she's hanging that they're scared because they get they like jump back and like, oh, but really they're just horrified at how small the closet was, and it's just too good. It's too good.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:50

I love it. I love it so so so freaking much. If they had man, if like HGTV had the two of them, I would be on that channel all day.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:02

Oh yeah, and now I'm just thinking of a similar episode of What We Do in the Shadows that was themed that way.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:08

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_03 1:27:09

Oh, it's so good.

SPEAKER_07 1:27:10

Yeah. I love the I love the bit about Veradian though. That was that was pretty brilliant.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:14

You know, for as great as Delia and Otho were, though, I just keep going back to something we mentioned a little while ago, which was the disconnect for me between how horribly mismatched Delia and Charles were, and then and then Lydia as a family unit. Like it is what it is. It's a good movie. I'm not mad at it. This isn't like a serious thing. But the more I think about it, the more I really can buy Lydia as Delia's daughter and not Charles' daughter. I genuinely am like thinking back and looking up look at pictures of Charles right now, thinking, how the fuck did you make her? I just don't understand it. Maybe he has a type, maybe that's what it is, but I just don't see it. He also kind of reminds me of the Dad from Hellraiser.

SPEAKER_07 1:28:01

Oh my god. Wow.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:03

I'm telling you, man, it's the same, like the same vibe that I got seeing them move into the house. It reminded me of the family moving into the house in Hellraiser.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:13

Like that's the vibe that I got. And maybe that's just me being weird right now, but I think that is probably the worst part of the movie for me. Just the disconnect between the family. But that also is the bit, right? So if that's the worst part of the movie, this movie is fucking amazing.

SPEAKER_07 1:28:28

Yeah. I did not get Larry Cotton vibes from the dad. It's interesting that because now that you say that, like him walking in and he's near the staircase, I can get the same kind of feel from when they walked into that house and they were near the staircase. So I I pick it up now, now that you put it down. I it's really hard to find a worst part. And I think the worst part for me has to do with some of the mentions of suicide. And I think when when Lydia is writing her suicide note, they think I mean thankfully they don't they don't treat it as a joke necessarily. They want to show that like she is obviously depressed and trying to express some stuff dealing with whatever's going on with her family and her her discontent. But you know, there there's a couple couple mentions of you know being being like doomed to do that bureaucratic work, right? Right, yeah. And so it's I don't know, the the whole like my little accident thing with the slit wrists. It's it's it's it's walking a fine line. I'll say that. So it's walking a fine line where it's like, yes, we're trying to make light of certain things, but we can't make too much light of of that kind of a topic. And I think in some cases it could be it could come across a little a little too little too light when we're talking about something like suicide.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:41

Which I think is kind of again, I mentioned it earlier about like a product or the excuse that some people would say is it's a product of its time, but like, is it, you know? Like that's actually such a good point. Maybe that's another example of like not acceptable. Like, not excusable, I should say. That's the better way of putting it. Not excusable necessarily. It does walk definitely that fine line.

SPEAKER_09 1:30:02

It does it does walk, I guess, the fine line for sure. But I I also think like they they yeah, and that's the point though. They're walking, they're walking that line, they're not really ever crossing it too far. Yeah, they make some little jabs with the civil servant when you commit suicide, and you know, they have the you know, my accident, um, but it it doesn't feel like they're really trying to make a joke out of suicide. So I think, yeah, they're walking the line. I can see that. It it it is hard. We're we're all thinking about things that are like what's what's really what are we gonna say for worst parts of the movie? And it is really hard to pick worst parts of the movie. I I think I think for me, we you know, you mentioned it earlier, Binks, but like only getting 14 minutes of Beetlejuice, I think, I think, you know, that's my worst part. Like, give me some more Beetlejuice.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:51

Literally, Beetlejuice from start to finish, two hours, even two hours straight.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:55

I would just be like, give me a whole season. Well, I guess that's the animated series, but oh gosh, he's just so fantastic. Sounds like you got a thirst that only some Beetlejuice can quench.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:04

Yeah. Gross.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:06

Anywho, I have to agree with you, Sean. I am really trying to think of a worse part. You know what? Fuck it. I'm just gonna say that the worst part of this movie is that this episode is almost over and I can't keep raving about this movie. How about that? Like, I I just I love this movie so much. And although everyone's brought up like such good worst parts, I think we can all obviously we do agree that even despite all of that, this is just an iconic film. It's super incredible. You know, one thing I just realized right now, did we even talk like enough about the masterwork that is Danny Elfman's score in this movie? Like, again, not at all. I'm telling you.

SPEAKER_09 1:31:43

We didn't talk at all about it, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:45

We're almost done with this episode, and I'm like, no, let's keep going. I just I love it so much. And I know I'm talking about the worst part, but maybe that's one of the best parts is like how iconic not only just Harry Belafonte's two songs are, but just this score in general. Yeah, you'll never not hear the intro of this movie and not instantly know that this is Beetlejuice that's about to be playing on your screen. It's just incredible. So yeah, I love this movie. I love this movie. I can't believe we're we're almost done talking about it.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:15

For some reason, you're making me really want to curl up right now and re-watch it again on a rainy afternoon, watching this nightmare before Christmas and inexplicably but also completely make sense, Matilda. Oh, ooh, okay, right.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:32

That's a trifecta for sure. Look, I I will never ever say no to just doing from start to finish a Tim Burton binge. I literally just I I watch re-watch Mars Attacks all the time for funsies. I re-watch this movie all the time for funsies, nightmare for I'm ridiculous. I went to Vegas, which I notoriously hate, just because it's not my vibe, guys. If you're from Vegas, like nothing against you, but I just it's not the city's not my vibe. However, Tim Burton had an exhibition there and I literally paid tickets and I planned my trip with my friends to be able to go and dress up in a Beetlejuice-esque outfit just so I could take a picture of a lot of his stuff from the set. Like, love it. So if you think that I am incapable of re-watching this movie, you just haven't spoken to me in a few weeks, maybe. Like I will I will watch this movie again and again 100%. I feel like this movie is your palette cleanser. It's absolutely my palette cleanser. Absolutely. I I mean, uh the thing is, like this movie, like I mentioned it earlier in my scoring, it's just like one that you can have in the background. You don't even need to like finish the whole movie entirely, you know? Just to hear the music alone or some of the witty banter is still just enough to like pick up your mood when you're cleaning the house or doing something, you know, casually as well. It's just one of those movies. So for sure.

SPEAKER_07 1:33:58

You know, you mentioned you mentioned the score and and Danny Elfman's just masterwork, but like you hear it and you can you it's not that you picture the movie, right? It's that you feel the feeling of watching the movie when you hear it. And I think that just shows how effective it is, that it is like just built into our blood now, that we have seen it several times or that we grew up with it, or whatever it is. It's just like part of you now. And so, yeah, is it rewatchable? Like, of course it is. This is this is something where, you know, these days you get sick and you're sick for a week or two weeks, you know, maybe COVID or something like that, or the flu, and you watch a bunch of crap on streaming services, things that they just like pump out, right? Instead of doing that, you know, I I I would prefer to read a book, but if I'm gonna watch something, I'd rather watch something that like I don't know, makes you feel good a little bit. And I think this belongs on that list. This is one of those things where when you're feeling down, whether it's emotionally or just like physically, like crap, like get rid of the streaming crap that you know you won't even remember it a year, and watch some stuff like this. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_09 1:34:55

Yeah, for sure. Uh, this movie, I mean, you all said it best. I mean, the movie has stood the test of time, it has a ton of rewatch value. As you heard earlier, I'm still getting little things out of it with every new watch. So I'm still having fun with this movie. It is, like I said before, in my October lineup, so I watch it every year. I'll probably continue to watch this movie, if nothing less than once a year. And I really cannot wait to watch this one back to back with the upcoming sequel. So that's what I'm looking forward to, 100%.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:29

I love that my birthday's tomorrow and we're doing this episode, and then literally next year this movie comes out. The sequel comes out. Is it the day before? Yeah, it's the day before your birthday. Look at us.

SPEAKER_08 1:35:41

Yeah. Amazing.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:43

Beetlejuice Virgo Energy.

SPEAKER_08 1:35:44

So good.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:45

Hmm. I love that for you. And honestly, I'm so stoked that this movie has fared so well with rewatchability. I can't wait to continue enjoying it and you know show it to my kids one day. But for now, there you have it, folks. Beetlejuice from 1988 has earned a universal slash. Now we've certainly had a robust discussion here, but it doesn't end here by any means.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:07

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SPEAKER_07 1:36:21

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SPEAKER_09 1:36:39

What's the good of being a ghost if you can't frighten people away?

SPEAKER_03 1:36:52

Okay, listen. Did the world need plans for Beetlejuice too? Maybe, maybe not. Who's to say really? But I think there is no more perfect pairing than a Tim Burton film with Jenna Ortega and Michael Heaton.

SPEAKER_09 1:37:06

This is true. I mean, this is true. I think I I have high hopes for this one, just based off of bringing like what we know as original cast members back, right? And then adding Jenna Ortega into the mix, I think is it's set up to be potentially a really cool film.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:23

I'm seeing nothing but upside.

SPEAKER_09 1:37:24

Yeah, I know, I know, and I hear you, and I hear you. And there was there's been like, you know, the the thing is is that there's been a couple or a handful of these iconic films from way back in the day that just never had a sequel, and then the sequel gets announced, and they're like, Yeah, we're bringing back the original cast, and it's gonna be dope, and then like you watch it and you're like, Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:46

Which ones? We're talking about Little Mermaid 2? No, we're talking about Lion Kings 2, Simba's Pride? No, no, nowhere near.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:56

That was a fucking hit. No, those that's not the example he's giving. He's definitely talking about Hocus Pocus 2. That's the first thing that came to mind. I still haven't watched it. Oh, well, I'm here to tell you. Like, it's okay, but it's the thing is that what do you expect? Like, this the magic of some of these movies is at the time that they were aired, like you know what I'm saying? And then just going and remaking it or doing the sequel again 30 years later, or in this case it'll be 36 years later. Just kind of like, I don't know, I'm nervous, guys. I'm I'm just so you can't tamper with something that's gold, you know? Just leave it, leave it alone sometimes. However, I I can't believe that's coming from me because I just want to relive this movie every single time in any which way I can. And Jenna Ortega, of course, I love, but I don't know, I gotta say I'm nervous.

SPEAKER_07 1:38:43

Okay, I uh yes, I love her, but is she gonna be in everything horror-related going forward? You know, is it when it's when it's time for the next horror reboot or sequel, they're gonna be like, well, obviously she's gonna play Freddie Krueger because she's hot right now. So naturally.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:59

Hold on, hold on. I think that's unfair. I think she has hit a streak of some great things. We know that she's in Scream, she was in X, and she was then in Wednesday. What's the problem? Um she's also been a child actor for however fucking long, so you know.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:14

If you're if we're talking about her filmography, let's get the filmography. And that is in that.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:20

So in terms of like modern day Jenna Ortega.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:23

Modern day Jenna Ortega. She was also in you. Yeah, you okay, whore-ish, adjacent.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:28

Yeah, more thriller than anything. But my point is what she's not in, Mia Goth is in. So really we're just splitting it 50-50. And then sometimes they overlap.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:38

Well, and the casting is not complete for this movie, so who knows? By the time that this movie comes out, Mia Goth might actually be an extra. So Delia Deets, baby.

SPEAKER_09 1:39:48

You never know.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:49

No, that's Catherine O'Hara, who is confirmed. She's coming back, so that's good.

SPEAKER_09 1:39:54

David. That is true. I'm not I'm not so much necessarily worried about Jenna Ortega being in it because I think it kind of fits. But and you know what? Like, I I actually have no doubt that Michael Keaton can reprise his role because man, I just think he does really well in most things that he does. So I'm I'm not really worried about that. I'm I'm more so worried about like how's it gonna look? What's the story gonna be? Like, one of the things that really made Beetlejuice special was the low budget effects, which you know, like, and it just worked. It just worked, right? So now you got all this new technology. Are they gonna make it look like more like visually real and all these things? Is it gonna take away? Is it gonna be a different tone? Is it how's that gonna feel? You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 1:40:40

I think given the team behind it, I think they're gonna handle it with some reverence and just do some things nicely. Like, I don't think it's gonna be the jarring jump from the original Star Wars trilogy to the prequel series.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:51

I don't think it's gonna be like that. That's a very that's very kind of you. So much hope and optimism. Good for you.

SPEAKER_07 1:40:58

As long as they just keep away anyone on Disney's team who's been responsible for recent sequels and reboots.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:04

Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_07 1:41:04

Just they need to take a break for a little bit and work on some new stuff. And you know, I think this this obviously could be a lot of fun. And I think that's gonna be the determination of whether or not it's good. Is it a lot of fun? Because if it's like we're just gonna constantly punch you in the nostalgia feels, uh, you know, it's not enough. You know, we need a little bit more. It needs to be fun all on its own. I think if it's a standalone movie, obviously related to the first one, obviously, but but if it if it's able to stand on its own, then I think it'll be successful in my eyes.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:31

I just think there's enough of the past coming through. You know what I mean? Like granted, we have Tim Burton returning, we have Michael Keaton returning, we have Winona Ryder, Winona Ryder returning. I feel like even if they stretch in some new directions, I feel like the core soul of it is gonna be intact.

SPEAKER_09 1:41:53

Yeah, I see I I that's what I I'm hoping. I hope so. And and you know, I know Binks, you said Hocus Pocus 2. Obviously, that's that's one. I do have to I've only seen that one once, so I do have to give that another try because I do it, you know, when Hocus Pocus first came out, it wasn't very popular. It's kind of dud, and then it just became popular. But I don't think the second one holds up by any means, anyways. But maybe it'll get better as I watch it a second, maybe third time. I don't know. I'm just giving I gotta give it, you know, its fair shake. But the other two movies, outside of you know, the horror-esque, you know, vibe that come to mind immediately where this happened and it just kind of like became a dud was Dumb and Dumber 2. Just wasn't great, and Super Troopers 2, also not that great.

SPEAKER_05 1:42:43

Didn't even realize Supertroopers 2 was a thing, actually.

SPEAKER_07 1:42:47

Yeah, it's a thing, it's a thing.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:49

It flew right over my head.

SPEAKER_07 1:42:50

But can we talk about Ghostbusters?

SPEAKER_03 1:42:52

Uh can we also talk about Balto 2 Wolf Quest?

SPEAKER_07 1:42:55

What?

SPEAKER_09 1:42:57

What is that? What did you just say?

SPEAKER_03 1:42:59

Balto 2 Wolf Quest.

SPEAKER_06 1:43:01

Oh, oh my.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:02

Oh god. Man, y'all are missing me with these fucking Mark Hamill was in this sequel, and I thought it was gonna be great. Interesting, but then it just wasn't. Listen, it had a great cast. You had Jody Benson, who played Ariel, you had Lacey Shabert, you had Mark Hamill. It seems like a recipe for greatness, and yet none of you even know what movie I'm talking about. So here we are.

SPEAKER_07 1:43:23

I mean, I think we know of Balto, but yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:26

Great American hero Balto.

SPEAKER_07 1:43:28

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I just, you know, there's there's it could go, it could go anyway. I I'm hopeful for Michael Keaton because I think there was a while where like he was great. Yeah. And then he was he was kind of there, and now he's kind of great again. And so like that makes me really hopeful. Winona Ryder has been great for such a long time that I'm I'm just stoked, you know. I'm stoked about that as well. Like watching her in Stranger Things, I was like, girl, just give me more movies. I'm here for it.

SPEAKER_05 1:43:54

Well, when I could talk about Winona Ryder for an eternity, it's like one of my like idols in life. So aside from her stint of, you know, being a thief, but that was unfortunate. Aside from that, though, I think she's just remarkable, incredible. I can't praise her enough. I will say, talking about Michael Keaton, I think there was like an interview years ago where he said that he first of all, this is his favorite movie that he's ever done, is Beetlejuice. And that if he were to ever do a sequel of one of his movies, it would be Beetlejuice. So I think that that's really like super nice and great to see that full circle. Also, Willem Defoe is casted for this film.

SPEAKER_09 1:44:34

I saw that. I saw that.

SPEAKER_05 1:44:36

He's gonna be, I think, just like one of the I think like ghosts or something like that. They haven't really specified, I don't think. Um, or like a security guard per se, but that's gonna be really fun. Catherine O'Hara is back, which is necessary, absolutely necessary.

SPEAKER_09 1:44:53

We won't get to see Otho though.

SPEAKER_05 1:44:55

Oh, I know, rest in peace. Glen Shattocks. Yeah, but well, and I don't even think that they're bringing, or at least it hasn't been said, but Jeffrey Jones, Lydia's dad, isn't in it. But I guess I don't know how that would have been played out. But yeah, I think they haven't released too much of the cast yet. So we'll see.

SPEAKER_07 1:45:12

I'm assuming no Alec Baldwin, you know? Yeah, I would also assume no Alec Baldwin.

SPEAKER_05 1:45:16

But but you know what? It makes sense not to bring back, well, for obvious reasons, Alec Baldwin or honestly Gina Davis, because in some ways, like you couldn't.

SPEAKER_09 1:45:26

Yeah, like I wouldn't because they have to they can't age, they're they're dead. And how are you gonna do that? Just some shitty CGI that no one wants to see.

SPEAKER_07 1:45:34

No, they have to write it off as like, we're gonna make ourselves look older since it's been so much longer. Right. Just for you, because that's how movies work.

SPEAKER_05 1:45:42

Yeah. And although like technically they would still be living in that house because they've got 125, I think, years there. I would prefer that they just like find a way to explain as to why they're not there and like casu like super quick and casual and like put a bow on that than doing a special effects thing and de-aging them. And then again, like you're saying, Sean, it kind of loses that charm and just it's not worth it.

SPEAKER_07 1:46:06

No, what's gonna happen is is she's Lydia's gonna see them in the rear view mirror of her car. Oh, and then maybe some other mirrors. Oh, that's what you know, that's what's gonna happen.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:16

And then a glass case containing her original like wedding dress to Beetlejuice.

SPEAKER_08 1:46:21

Yeah. Oh my god, nice, nice.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:23

Force ghost, Gina Davis and Alec Baldwin.

SPEAKER_07 1:46:27

Frickin' Scream Seven. Scream seven.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:29

They're gonna rip them straight from Beetlejuice 1988 and just insert them into this movie. It's gonna be great. I uh I refuse.

SPEAKER_09 1:46:38

Okay, well, you you hinted at something there, Mac, right? So, like, what do we think the plot is gonna be?

SPEAKER_05 1:46:45

Ah, God. Well, okay, Jenna Ortego is playing Lydia's daughter.

SPEAKER_09 1:46:50

Right.

SPEAKER_05 1:46:50

Which I'm like, damn, who's Lydia's husband or like partner or the father of Jenna Ortega?

SPEAKER_09 1:46:56

Because Beetlejuice? Uh oh. Throwing the curveball. Oh, that's true. You're right, you're right, you're right. You're right. That is true. Well, there goes that. Well, you never know.

SPEAKER_07 1:47:10

I hope that he's not her father.

SPEAKER_09 1:47:13

Oh, okay. I hope so too. I'm just throwing a curveball out there.

SPEAKER_05 1:47:16

But yikes. So maybe it's that, like, I don't know, is she the thing is Jenna Ortega is at an age where we're not necessarily sure what age her character would be playing. Like, assuming that she's in high school, because Jenna Ortega Ortega typically plays high schoolers, yet she's, I think, like 19, 20 at this point, may even be 21, maybe even older, but you know, around that range where maybe she's just like out of college. Is she moving back to this old house with her mom and like get caught gets caught up in this ghost stuff? I would assume that it has to be a scenario where there are ghosts again, like, you know, haunting them, but it would be that from the perspective of Lydia at this point, because obviously Beetlejuice is from the perspective of of Adam and Barbara. So I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:02

What if Lydia is dead? What if Lydia is the ghost?

SPEAKER_05 1:48:06

Hey.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:06

Whoa.

SPEAKER_07 1:48:07

I hope not. I mean, it could be.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:08

Oh my god, how devastating.

SPEAKER_07 1:48:10

I know. It could be good. It could be good. I wasn't ready for that. But but when you when you watch Beetlejuice as well, like you don't want to see Alec Baldwin and Gina Davis die. You see they're like such nice characters. Yeah. Yeah. So maybe they're gonna pull the you know, the first like ten minutes is just like her going out in some completely silly way.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:27

It's a requel. What are the rules of the requel? We echo, we rhyme with the first one.

SPEAKER_09 1:48:31

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:32

Someone's gonna die. The dog is gonna come back and kill someone.

SPEAKER_09 1:48:34

Well, yeah, there has to be somebody, yeah, there's gotta be some death.

SPEAKER_05 1:48:37

I was gonna spoil hocus pocus too. Oh god. Um, don't do it. Okay. You know what? Fine. I guess I guess we can kind of do that requel remake. But this is the this is what I'm talking about, though. This is where I get nervous because I don't want you to redo the original movie because you never can and you never should. I wanna if you're gonna do a sequel to something, give me something new, like a new scenario, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:49:01

Like I think we're gonna be a-okay because once again it's Tim Burton doing it. It's not like Radio Silence, who loved Wes Craven, and we had two filmmakers from Radio Silence like redoing Scream to pay honor and pay tribute. Tim Burton's not over here clapping his own back, gonna fucking pay tribute to himself. He's just gonna continue the fanfare.

SPEAKER_05 1:49:24

But here's the thing Michael McDowell is not the person that wrote this script, though. It is a new person that wrote this story in the script. So I agree that luckily it is still Tim Burton, but at the end of the day, it's not like Tim Burton wrote Beetlejuice, right? So, like, I'm that's what has me nervous, is like he may have the direction. I hope if anything, Tim Burton, because he was like very involved in the process with Michael McDowell and adapting it and seeing it go through, like, I hope Tim Burton will be able to like really get in the writer's room and like you know, make sure that we don't get what Disney's been doing lately with these things. Because again, I'm not But I I said it earlier, like Hocus Pocus 2 is the biggest like example that I can give because uh it's me we're talking about. I love Hocus Pocus, but and I love Beetlejuice. I just was kind of disappointed with the sequel for Hocus Pocus, and I would hate that this happens to me again. But if I mean I'll live, right? Like it's not it's not like they're out there ple trying to please me, but they should.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:20

I think they are trying to please you specifically.

SPEAKER_07 1:50:23

They had the ability in the f in the in the actual original Beetlejuice to make a movie that children love and adults can also love. Like there's like there's different layers, right? Of of humor and of and everything. So I'm hopeful they can do that this time. I'm hopeful like kids can watch it and like have a fun time, and that adults of our age and even older can watch it and be like, oh, that was a that was a good time, you know. Because if it's only one or the other, if it's just for nostalgia, just for adults, that's gonna be a wasted opportunity. But if it's just like silly for kids, that's not the vibe.

SPEAKER_09 1:50:56

I hope it's gotta be the healthy balance.

SPEAKER_05 1:50:58

Yeah, I don't I'm if anything, I'm hopeful that that won't be the case. I think they'll definitely have a good balance because that's why they're doing these sequels, though. To some extent, they are catering to us now that our generation has children, or like, you know, is kind of like reliving our youth in this like time period that we're in in our lives, so they have to cater to both. So I'm sure that that will be the case. And and that's a big part of I would assume a big part of why Jenna Ortega is also being casted, because Jenna Ortega is the youth's champion, you know, like especially riding off of Wednesday.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:33

So well, I hope it's better than Ferngully 2, the magical rescue.

SPEAKER_05 1:51:38

You keep naming these sequels, bro.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:40

Listen, you got another one on your sleeve? Yeah, the Secret of N2 Timmy to the Rescue.

SPEAKER_07 1:51:45

Oh my.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:47

What is happening? Bro, Secret of M2 Timmy to the Rescue is a great movie. It's also a great sequel. No, it doesn't get the fucking credit it deserves. I, for one, am optimistic.

SPEAKER_09 1:51:57

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:51:58

When did these what was the gap of time? You know what? Don't even answer this. Never mind. We'll do this another time. Like, what is the gap of time between one and two that you are naming these sequels off the cuff?

SPEAKER_03 1:52:06

Fern Golie, hold on. Ferngulie came out in 1992. Uh-huh. And Ferngoli 2, 1998. No, doesn't count, Chris.

SPEAKER_05 1:52:14

We're talking 36 years of a difference.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:17

And you're out here giving me four years difference? 1982, Secreted M two, 1998. I am still optimistic. Take a lap.

SPEAKER_07 1:52:27

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:28

I'll take as many fucking laps as I want. Okay, hold on a second. Uh, movies with sequels after 30 years. We'll see what Google comes up with.

SPEAKER_05 1:52:37

You know what? I got another sequel for you, but it's a TV show. Sex in the City also has a sequel. Not it, friends. Not it. You ready for this? Go ahead. Top Gun.

SPEAKER_09 1:52:47

Oh, okay. Masterpiece. Yeah, that is a good example.

SPEAKER_05 1:52:51

Oh no, that's a really good one. Damn, that movie was really good. Okay. You know what? Got him. That's ladies and gentlemen.

SPEAKER_07 1:52:59

You know what it is though? In in Top Gun, obviously there's nods, you know. We've got Relcoomer coming back when they didn't have to. They really wanted him involved. That's great, right? But they didn't spend the entire time going, look at us. We're pointing at Top Gun 1. Look at us. We remember that you remember, right? They just were like, let's just make a really freaking entertaining movie. And if they do that here, if they're like, let's keep it simple, make a really fun movie, have some great times, I think they'll be successful, you know? They can do that, they can have that same magic.

SPEAKER_05 1:53:26

Man, I couldn't agree more. Wow, that's it, Chris. You named Balto 2 and all these other frickin' movies when you could have just said Top Gun Maverick and case closed. Listen, how to work up to it, you know? Ferngully.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:41

I also wanted to name movies I like versus movies I haven't even seen yet. You haven't seen Top Gun. I I don't ever want to fucking watch Top Gun. I live Top Gun. No, thank you. Oh, I guess that's that's a very good point.

SPEAKER_09 1:53:51

I live Top Gun.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:52

I lived I lived Top Gun. I'm sorry. I am the Top Gun. Boom, boom, beam, boom, boom, boom, boom.

SPEAKER_06 1:54:01

That's what Chris hears when she wakes up.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:04

You're haunted, really. I hope not. Trauma. Not the fly dops.

SPEAKER_09 1:54:11

That was a good time. But listen, Binx, you're wearing a Beetlejuice cardigan. Can you show us?

SPEAKER_05 1:54:16

Yeah. I got the logo. Don't screen grab it. Hacker math, baby.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:25

I was gonna say, hey, you know math. That's great. Sometimes. Really only sometimes. Wait, Sean and Binks, have you met in person yet?

SPEAKER_05 1:54:37

No. No, but I mean we are tomorrow, Chris.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:40

Yeah, but it's like whatever. Like it's just a sudden realization that I just had. That's crazy. Yeah, I know. Binx, I feel like he's gonna disown me right now.

SPEAKER_09 1:54:51

I mean, it seems like like a miss. Like, how could you how could you just not throw this on at some point since your childhood?

SPEAKER_05 1:54:57

Have you not I I think it's I I I don't I'm so I'm I'm genuinely speechless.

SPEAKER_08 1:55:02

Speechless.

SPEAKER_05 1:55:03

I'm genuinely speechless. Like this movie is sometimes just on the TV. Like I turn on the TV and all of a sudden it's like bare. I I don't understand.

SPEAKER_03 1:55:11

I don't manifest things in that way, I guess. Now it's too late. Now I'm never watching it. Sorry. Okay, not never watching it, but like give it like two more years. I'll watch it when like a kid needs to say goodbye to me. That's when I'll watch Coco. Oh, that's Jesus.

SPEAKER_06 1:55:27

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_05 1:55:28

Wow. I didn't realize Lydia Dietz joined the Google Meet. Nice.

SPEAKER_03 1:55:33

You know, I thought you said that you yourself were strange and unusual.

SPEAKER_05 1:55:36

Oh, no, I am Lydia Dietz, but like you took it to the next level.

SPEAKER_03 1:55:40

You were the Geno Ortega, Lydia Deet. Uh fuck my life. Hey, we're getting better. Yeah, Jenna Ortega. I'm kidding. Cut it out.

SPEAKER_08 1:55:56

Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_03 1:55:59

You know, the real plot twist would have been Sean saying, Hey, this is a great movie, but it's not a fucking horror movie. I think I would have jumped through the screen and lost what he was.

SPEAKER_09 1:56:11

I should have started off that with that tone.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:13

Thanks is about to tell your ass you have seven days left.

SPEAKER_04 1:56:17

I was gonna go full Samara. It was gonna get it was gonna get serious.

SPEAKER_07 1:56:22

I wanna I wanna know, was Beetlejuice a a living being that became a ghost?

SPEAKER_00 1:56:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:56:29

And if so, what was he like? You know, as like what was he like when he was alive?

SPEAKER_09 1:56:34

Yeah. Well, yeah. I mean, there's mention of him being around for like a millennia, right? Like he's been around for a long time.

SPEAKER_05 1:56:43

Wasn't he well, there was a little bit of backstory. I think Juno was telling Barbara and Adam that he used to be Juno's assistant. And then he was like a little two nuts and doing his own thing and like wreaking havoc out on his own, so that they kind of just like ostracized him, essentially.

SPEAKER_08 1:57:00

Yeah. Right.

SPEAKER_05 1:57:01

But at the same time, like he also we don't necessarily see it directly, but he reveals what his true face looks like, and it's like doesn't seem very human to me from the back.

SPEAKER_09 1:57:11

So yeah, I mean, hey, I don't know. I mean, he also said he lived it through the black plague, so we know he goes that far back for sure, right? Like he's he's seen some shit.

SPEAKER_04 1:57:21

That's true.

SPEAKER_09 1:57:22

He's been around, he's been around. I don't know what he would have been like when he was actually alive. We would have to know maybe we'll get some more in uh in this in this sequel that is gonna happen, right? So I don't know, maybe some more backstory.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:37

Give me the crossover where it's Beetlejuice meets the Volturi and the Cullen family.

SPEAKER_09 1:57:42

Oh gosh. Okay, alright. Well, you never know. You never know. Little mashup.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:48

Binx is so fucking dumb with me.

SPEAKER_05 1:57:50

I can't believe I'm gonna say this. That sounds like a terrible idea. Of course it does. That's horrible.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:56

Imagine Arlo's laugh and Michael Keaton has Beetlejuice just trying to recreate it. God, absolutely not.

SPEAKER_08 1:58:04

Oh goodness.

SPEAKER_07 1:58:06

I do wonder though, like other ghosts, you know, in in other movies, like how would they fare against Beetlejuice with the amount of experience he has, you know, would Candyman stand a chance?

SPEAKER_03 1:58:17

In the battle of creatures who you say their name three times and they show up.

SPEAKER_07 1:58:21

Right. How about Freddie? Would Freddie stand a chance against Beetlejuice?

SPEAKER_04 1:58:25

I think that both Freddy and Beetlejuice would be best friends, kicking it back with a cold beer.

SPEAKER_07 1:58:29

I could see that. I could see that. I think I think Beetlejuice would judge Freddie, though, for his inclinations.

SPEAKER_03 1:58:36

Um you think so? You think so? I think Betelgeuse would have been egging him on the entire time. Ah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:58:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:58:44

That's that's the big yikes for the evening.

SPEAKER_07 1:58:47

Actually, you know what? Beetlejuice, he is kind of he is. I mean, obviously he's pervy, but like Lydia's how old in this film. Uh so yeah, you know, Beetlejuice and Freddie got a lot in common.

SPEAKER_05 1:58:57

They I think it's not explicitly said how old Lydia is, but I it's presumed that she's well, she's in school, right? So she's probably about like 16, 17, or something like that.

SPEAKER_09 1:59:06

Right, right.

SPEAKER_05 1:59:07

Anywhere between like 15 to 17.

SPEAKER_07 1:59:09

There you have it.

SPEAKER_05 1:59:10

Yikes.

SPEAKER_07 1:59:12

Dirty boy.

SPEAKER_03 1:59:13

Yikes Did you say dirty boy? Jesus Christ, Mac. It's all funny games until you get there, huh?