378: Candyman: Farewell to the Flesh (1995)

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We believe horror is for everyone, and as such, we're raining these movies with the perspective we've gained from our varying walks of life and the flavors of fear we fancy most. My name is Chris, I'm your friendly neighborhood slasher enthusiast. This week I'm joined by the classic horror connoisseur, Sean.

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The people have spoken and our patrons have decided we're covering the sequel of an iconic 90s slasher.

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Oh yeah, and if you support the show, you'll also get to hear our B-side at the end of this episode where we get into all our favorite Tony Todd movies.

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Back in episode 93, we reviewed a Tony Todd film that hit theaters a mere five months after the riots that swarmed LA in the wake of the brutality Rodney King endured at the hands of police officers. That film sparked a franchise that traveled to the heart of urban legends and highlighted themes of gentrification, racial tensions, and interracial relationships. Two years after its theatrical release, as the infamous O. J. Simpson murder trial captivated the world, a marketing poster for its sequel stirred controversy. And the sequel takes us from the streets of Chicago to New Orleans and follows a young woman whose family has been devastated by the very same immortal killer who haunted Cabrini Green. This week, after winning 63% of the overall patron vote, we're talking about Candyman. Farewell to the flesh.

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Yep, and this movie was nominated by our beloved patron Amber, who says, I've always been a fan of the first film, but it wasn't until recently that I watched the two sequels and reboot. Side note, that's wild. I went into this film with very little expectations and ended up being pleasantly surprised. This doesn't feel like a sequel to me. It's a completely different storyline with new characters, but still manages to stay on track with the important elements of the original. Now, I admit that acting isn't always the best, and the story is sometimes a little shaky, but it's a good film in its own way. It's definitely worth a watch.

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Well, you know, we're gonna find out just how worthwhile it was. And Sean, a minute ago you said that's wild. Let me just throw out there that in my time before this episode, I have seen the original Candyman and I have seen the reboot. I have not seen the second or third Candyman.

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Wow, that's crazy.

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Is it crazy? I don't know. Felt unnecessary.

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I think it's wild. I mean, even before I got on this show, listening to the early episode where you all reviewed Candyman and the Candyman reboot, because that was before my time on this show. And the way that everyone raved about Candyman and Tony Todd, I figured everyone would be watching the whole fucking franchise.

SPEAKER_03 3:23

Has it been a curiosity? Absolutely. It's been on the list of things to do at some point, but the original Candyman was so fucking great, and I never heard about the sequels being as fucking great. You know what I mean?

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I feel you.

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It felt like don't fuck with it, you know? I don't want to watch a movie that will end up disappointing me. Tony Ton is so fantastic. I don't want to be disappointed in him.

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It's fair. That's fair.

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So how many fucking times have you seen the sequels? I'm assuming now you're this the connoisseur of Candyman.

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Obviously, I've seen the first one the most. I've seen the second one a good amount of times. The third one, maybe two or three times. But I feel like either way, it's been a long time since I've seen this one. In fact, I feel like it's even been a while since I've seen the original Candyman film. Because I remember watching the OG Candyman right after watching the reboot or whatever that we got not that long ago. And so it's probably been since I was a maybe like early 20s, something like that, since I've really explored this whole franchise. But I've definitely seen him a number of times because this is like one of those movies or franchises that I think really stuck with me as a kid. And somehow Tony Todd as Candyman has been part of my subconscious fears since I was a fucking kid.

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You know, it's the depth of his voice.

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It's yes, it's freaking the presence of Tony Todd, the voice. It's crazy. We're gonna get into it.

SPEAKER_03 4:59

Yeah, we absolutely are. And listen, knowing zero about this movie, and I mean zero, absolutely fucking nothing. I expected that we were gonna get a continuation of the first film. Didn't know it was in New Orleans. I mean, obviously, when you look back and listen back to Amber's nomination, it makes it clear that it's a different setting, it's a different story, it's different characters. However, I really thought they were just doing a recast of Virginia Madsen, and that made me a little upset. So I expected it to just be not as good.

SPEAKER_02 5:31

I mean, that's a fair expectation, right? You're coming off of watching the original into the sequel, like the direct sequel to that film, and most people would probably expect it to be a pretty solid continuation, and you know, not for nothing. It's a continuation of something, a continuation of the story, we might say, right? It's a 23ME, an expansion, yeah. The expansion pack for Candyman finally came through.

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The new DLC just dropped. We're going to Mardi Gras.

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There you go. Yeah, that's it right there. No, it is a fair expectation, and this movie I think definitely will not be what most people expect. And I think the only true thing that you can really expect from any of the candymans that at least that Tony, or maybe even the reboot, is that the polarizing figure of the candyman, I think, will still always be there.

SPEAKER_03 6:31

Yeah, I mean, listen, not for nothing. We have a lot of iconic slashers with trash franchises. Jason is always great, even when it's not Jason, and even when the movies aren't good. Freddie Krueger, always great, even when those movies are fucking wild. Michael Myers, some better than others. Still, you always appreciate Michael Myers for being who he is. Ghostface, it hasn't been a bad screen movie, but you get what I mean. The slasher is someone that you can watch and root for, no matter how terrible the trappings around them are. But what was interesting to me is looking back at not only how great the original Candyman is, how serious it feels, how menacing it feels, but also just how painfully tragic it feels. I was really concerned with how we went into this one because a couple things really jumped out at me. One, when we get to talking about how frightening this movie may or may not be for those who are easily spooked, they front-loaded this with a lot of cheap tricks that I don't think were necessary at all. The second thing was that it felt like you could really cut this movie up nicely as a music video for Smooth Criminal. Because if I heard fucking Annie Are You OK, it would have just fit. It would have fit.

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That's great. That is great. I did not connect those dots, but now that you've said it, I feel like, yes, we definitely need to get we need to get the alien ant farm smooth criminal cover going.

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Listen, Sean, there's nothing you should know about me. I often spend my time in my mind thinking about how I would make music videos. Sometimes they involve horror movies.

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You know, there isn't a lot of people doing that, right? You have your Rob zombies that try to do little type horror flicks with their music videos, but there's not a lot of them out there, so you might be on to something. You might be on to something. Could be cool. I think for me, obviously, while watching this movie again and and really just when you've seen it enough times, I guess, that the feeling that I, or thought even that I had when watching this film, because you've got the this is not a spoiler, but even if you've watched the original, you know, that you've got a lot of urban graffiti. You know what I mean? There's a lot of that kind of feeling, and there were moments in this movie where you're kind of going through this house or whatever, and there's this graffiti, and you've got this kind of tribute or whatever you call it, and it like dawned on me. I can't even recall, and I could be wrong, but I can't even recall a haunted house attraction of the candyman.

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Not a single one that I can recall.

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That's a big miss. Like anywhere, local haunts, big haunts, whatever. That would make such a great haunted house to do a candyman-themed haunted house. Would that not be fun?

SPEAKER_03 9:23

It would be fucking fantastic.

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There's so many great things you can do with that. I feel like it would be a great house to try to walk through.

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Oh, sorry, some real-time follow-up here. Apparently, Halloween Horror Nights did something with Candyman.

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Really? Okay, how long ago was that though?

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He appeared as an exclusive photo op experience in the RIP tour during Halloween Horror Nights 2022. Candyman is a main antagonist in the Candyman franchise. He had appeared in the Universals Museum of Horror during Halloween Horror Knights 7 Frightmares.

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Okay. But not like his own whole house, though.

SPEAKER_03 9:59

Yeah, it's not giving it's not giving whole house.

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Yeah. Listen, if we're gonna get a Ghostbusters one, you might as well get Candyman in there because it'll be way scarier.

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Listen, I love Stranger Things. We've had enough Stranger Things houses. Give us Candyman.

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Yeah, and you know we're gonna get another one though, because final season, you know it's happening.

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Journey's greatest hits is gonna be all over that shit.

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A hundred percent. A hundred percent. But us all jokes aside, you know, talking about haunted house vibes, the real the biggest vibe that I really got was the lore in this movie because we can joke all day that it's an expansion to the original story and all that stuff, and sure, yes, but the lore in this movie is wild. I feel like everything else can be complete trash, but the lore of the Candyman is something that I feel like no matter what, is always interesting and it's stuck with me over the years.

SPEAKER_03 10:57

Absolutely. I mean, Candyman has such a deep and intricate tapestry of history woven into his character. And when you examine is he truly villain or did he become something else? Right?

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Right.

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We've talked about this a lot in the previous Candyman episodes. I'll link some of those in our show notes for anybody who wants to give back a listen. But the lore here is something to behold, and that's the interesting thing here, because on one hand, I go from fuck, this would make a great music video, to wow, this is difficult to watch. Not because it's bad, but because it's painful. And there's no way I think you can watch this and not be on his side.

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Yeah. I well, that's the interesting thing about the candy man. I think even I mean, this explores it a lot heavier. I feel like you empathize or sympathize a lot more for this character, but even in the original, I feel like Candyman as a character is always someone that you're not really sure. Like it's he's a frightening character, but you're not really sure if you actually dislike this guy or if you kind of feel for him. So you kind of still get that feeling in the original. This one I feel like really plays into that with the backstory a lot heavier. It definitely feels it.

SPEAKER_03 12:16

That yeah, it's fear in the sense of a healthy respect, right? And that I don't want that hook near me, but we're cool. No, you're great, do your thing. I support you. Absolutely, fuck shit, absolutely fuck people up too, but just stay away from me. Yeah, I'm just gonna try to not give them a reason to be mad, you know?

SPEAKER_02 12:32

True. There's no reason, yeah. There's no sense in pissing off Candyman. I will say though, one of the things that I feel like surprised me the most in this movie was how much food was being shoved down this person's garbage disposal in this movie.

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Disgusting.

SPEAKER_02 12:50

There was a moment, you know, and it was literally just one moment. So I know this could be feeling a little bit excessive, but it was excessive. The amount of food. I don't think that's kosher. I don't think you're supposed to put two huge pieces of salmon or whatever that was in like half a bowl of rice and like the rest of the veggies and stuff. One, I know rice isn't supposed to go down there because rice expands. So we know you're having some drain issues later on. And then fish. What the hell? Why are you even throwing all that fish? You put those two pieces together, you got a whole fillet again.

SPEAKER_03 13:23

Yeah, you know, it's interesting because as I was watching that, I was drawn more to the bones of the fish. I didn't even realize that there was a whole other chunk of fish. I missed that.

SPEAKER_02 13:32

Yeah, the bones too.

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I was just thinking, like, oh, what a little fucking fish skeleton. You know, really we're just picking at your shit, huh? It just feels kind of violent to be doing that. I feel like very little is supposed to actually go down the garbage disposal.

SPEAKER_02 13:45

Yeah, I mean that's that is true. The more you learn about those garbage disposals, the more you realize that you really aren't supposed to do what you've probably been doing your entire life with those things, and you're not supposed to just shove all the food down there and whatever you want.

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Just the little bits and bobs that you know, you gotta scrape off a little bit of the plate. I was looking at that thing though, and I have a garbage disposal now for the first time in a very long time. And I was really just thinking, damn, we were just living on that same technology. Who has innovated garbage disposals?

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Nobody. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. That's their motto. It just keeps on going, you know? There's what else can you do? You find something that just like completely disintegrates food as it touches it or something. I I have no idea.

SPEAKER_03 14:31

Yeah, let me tell you what I was disappointed in more than the lack of innovation in this industry. This movie was it it follows a original film that was so frightening and so tense for different reasons. And then in this one, we have it loaded with way too many jump scare attempts. There's just too much into it. We were so early into it, and by that point I had already counted like six, and I thought I should fucking stop this movie, rewind it, and play it as a drinking game. Because you see a man in a reflection, jump. You got someone sneaking up behind their painting, jump. You got a bird in the house, jump. You got a man behind the bird in the house, jump. Someone touches someone, jump. It's just unnecessary.

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Yeah, I mean, it's a good call out because any time that you're just really force feeding jump scares down our throats, like eventually you're gonna get numb to it. I don't care who you are, eventually it's gonna wear on you and it's not gonna be as effective. So you don't really want to use that too much. You want to save those for some really great moments sprinkled throughout the film.

SPEAKER_03 15:36

Yeah, it would be great if it was saved for just moments, period. But the problem is that they treated little musical stings as if they should have been scary moments. So it creates the illusion that you're supposed to be scared of this or supposed to have gotten you.

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That is a disappointing aspect of the film. I think what would end up being surprising to a lot of people and could be disappointing is what we have been kind of talking about, and it's that slight departure from the first one, and it's not like as egregious of just like completely changing everything. The essence of the story is still there, but like we literally went from Chicago to New Orleans, right? We went from the windy city to the big easy, you know what I mean? Like it was a drastic change in scenery, they don't look anything like each other, it's a completely different thing, and really just exploring some historical shit that is also probably tough for people to watch, but I think it makes it a little bit, yeah. I guess you said it tragic, right? It makes it a little bit more tragic and more of a tragedy.

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Either way, it makes it less scary.

SPEAKER_02 16:52

It does kind of take the severity of the scares. Yeah, it's not as scary. You're really feeling for Candyman a lot more, you're like rooting for the Candyman a lot more in this one, and so yeah, I don't know. I guess that does make it less scary.

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Yeah, and it's that lore change there because I'm remembering in the original Candyman, there was a specific reason for why Candyman was so prominent and prevalent in Karina Green. And this movie adjusts that again, it goes deeper into the lore, and at the surface, I'm not mad at that. I think the direction that this movie goes is a very positive one in the sense of digging deeper to tell us a story of who Candyman is. So when we think about I mean originality, this is a slasher, it is a slasher that explores a backstory, those things are not original. It continues to play to the strengths of the first Candyman in terms of weaving something really important to say within its story, but aside from that, I think it tries to deviate a little bit too much. It makes some unnecessary changes.

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It does make some unnecessary changes, and when you're thinking of like how original the film is, I feel like it still has to get credit for even what it is uh attempting to do here. I think the story and the lore of the candyman is in essence what makes this movie original, even though we may or may not like the direction that it goes in. I know that the original film was inspired by Clive Barker's short story called The Forbidden, and that story was inspired by stories or legends told by Clive's grandmother, right? So there's like that whole connection, which I think is really cool. I think it was also partly inspired by an actual murder that happened in in Chicago in the 80s with somebody going through like a bathroom wall that just happened to go through a mirror or something crazy like that, right? So there's a lot of interesting things, but I always think it's really interesting when people take from personal experiences, right? You take something that has happened in real life. You maybe you take some stories that have been handed down by family members and things like that, and you remember those things. And when you grow up and you start making movies, you have the birth of something really cool. And I think that's where the candyman comes from, and where we can explore this story of the candyman, the legend, the myth of the candyman, and that I think makes these stories original.

SPEAKER_03 19:20

For sure. It again it builds up that folklore. That's how you get the urban legends, that's how you get the myths. So I can definitely respect that. I think one of the other things that this movie changes is the tone of its ending. It's a departure from the first movie, and I mean, honestly, I really enjoyed it.

SPEAKER_02 19:37

Yeah, you know, there's nothing wrong with this ending. I don't know that it's like mind-blowing, but I do feel like it's a fun ending. I think that it almost ends kind of in a typical horror flick way. There's this final conflict, the presumed victory, good over evil. You get the little fun moment at the end that kind of leaves the door ever so slightly cracked open for another installment. But I think that the what we get out of the ending is almost everything we always kind of want out of most endings, right? It's just a fun time, and even when you know the climax happens and everything, they still throw a little fun thing at the end for you that kind of like spikes your nerves one last time, and then the credits roll. And I think that's always fun.

SPEAKER_03 20:20

Yeah, it's a fun farewell at the end of it all.

SPEAKER_02 20:23

Absolutely.

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Well, I'm excited to see how all of this translates to our ratings. But before we get there, Sean, how would you describe the gore score?

SPEAKER_02 20:31

Well, this one doesn't shy away from giving us some kills, but it does really feel like it maybe didn't fully stick its hook all the way in. When you think of these slashers, I feel like it's honestly probably, depending on who you are, the perfect amount of blood and overall gore for most slasher fans. Even though we have some slashers nowadays with some insane amounts of gore, we know we're thinking about Terrifier and movies like that, and those are unique for what they are. But when we really think about like some of the classic slasher movies or franchises, you can still do a lot with a lot less of the gore and blood. And so this one isn't necessarily a really low, low gore score. It's not anywhere near high. So when you put this film up against crazy gory slashers, this one feels more of a maybe like a moderate mauling, like a medium low gore score.

SPEAKER_03 21:31

Nice little bee sting.

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A little bee sting.

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Or two or thirty, or a hundred, or three thousand.

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Yeah, who knows?

SPEAKER_03 21:39

Well, what about the animal report?

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Well, unfortunately, this one is not so safe because we do have some roadkill.

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Let's go ahead and get into our ratings then. Candyman, farewell to the flesh, nominated by Amber, selected by the people, our patrons. Was it a hacker or something?

SPEAKER_02 22:00

You know, horror sequels can be really tricky, especially when you have to follow up a film as hauntingly poetic as Candyman 1992 was. Like that movie is so iconic. It's a movie that I distinctly remember. We were talking about it. I distinctly remember watching this movie as a kid, and it has stuck with me ever since that first watch. And this installment, Farewell to the Flesh, really sets out to expand the mythos and really dive deeper into this lore of Candyman and the character's past. And we definitely do depart from the first one. We depart from this like bleak urban horror vibe that we got in the streets of Chicago, and we arrive in this eerie, supernatural New Orleans type vibe. And it doesn't feel as successful as the first one. There's definitely something missing. It doesn't quite capture the chilling atmosphere and depth that the first one really did. We don't get the psychological urban legend horror as much, but we do dive deeper into Candyman's lore. It reveals more about his origins, making this, I think, still feel pretty entertaining with its tragic and compelling story. So it's very interesting. There's drastic differences between the first one and this one, but they're both entertaining in their own right. And it almost feels like this could even be a gothic romance in a way. But the glue, or should we say the honey, that holds this movie together is the legend Tony Todd, R.I.P. He has that commanding presence, especially with that deep, booming voice. And ultimately, this is an urban legend that I can get behind. And even though this isn't as good as the first one and it's far from perfect, it still has my hook of approval. It might not be as sharp as the original, but it's sharp enough and it's a slash.

SPEAKER_03 24:08

Well, listen, I mentioned earlier that I thought this was not necessary to watch in the now 30 years that have passed since this film was released. 30 years. It's a long time to pass on a movie. The reality is there are moments of this movie that are good but not great. But then there are some elements that truly are just great. Tony Todd's performance continues to be great. What brings this movie down are a few choice moments of terrible effects and an inconsistent performance from the rest of the cast that surrounds him. And it takes some big swings to expand the lore of Candyman, to dive deeper into that lore. And listen, sometimes that's successful. There are some moments where it feels almost a little convoluted, and we're like, okay, how exactly did we get there? You might have to brush up on it. But this movie, in no way, but you cannot deny that this movie lives in the shadow of its predecessor. I will say, as much as I've found this to be unnecessary in the past, Tony Todd's performance and the deeper dive into his lore is actually absolutely essential viewing. Even if the rest of the movie around it isn't that great, those two elements alone make it worth the watch. This movie still has something to say, and it does make me want to watch the next film. So if it can be a fun slasher in some moments, and it can continue to make me love Candyman, it's gotta be a slash. And with that, Candyman Farewell to the Flesh has earned a universal slash. Now we have a lot to dive into here. There's a lot to unpack with this movie and its lore. You can check a link in our show boxes here where you can find this movie right now if you haven't seen it yet. But when we return, we're gonna dive deeper into these characters and how everyone's connected.

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Need a little honey, but you crave a little fright. Say its name five times and you scream with delight. Are you tired of boring run-of-the-mill honey? Looking for a spread that's as sweet as revenge?

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Then dip your knife into Candyman's Cursed Honey, the only honey infused with just the right amount of terror, harvested straight from the most haunted beehives of New Orleans.

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Our honey is so good, it'll make you say his name five times.

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But be warned, once you open a jar, you may never close it again. With every drizzle, you'll taste hints of blood-soaked tragedy, whispers of forgotten vengeance, and just a touch of despair. Balanced with a rich golden sweetness that lingers long after you're gone. Perfect for tea or drizzled on toast and served with some fear, because once you've had a bite, he's already here. So go ahead and dulge. Just don't look in the mirror. Candyman's Cursed Honey. It's sweet, sticky, and sinister. Available exclusively in the shadowy corners of abandoned thrift stores, and that one eerie market stall that disappears when you blink. Hacker Slash is not responsible for any supernatural consequences, spectral hauntings or sudden appearances of hook-handed figures. Candyman's honey? It's hauntingly sweet. One little taste, and you're doomed to repeat. Candyman's cursed honey, the last taste you'll ever love.

SPEAKER_03 27:46

Welcome back, folks. You're now entering the spoiler zone for Candyman. Farewell to the flesh, which has earned a universal slash. Now we have a lot to unpack here, but before we get into the specifics of our ratings, let's go through those kills.

SPEAKER_02 28:00

Well, we might not get a ton of gore in this one, but we do get a healthy kill count with a total of 11 deaths. This one was filled with plenty of flesh hooking, throat slicing, bee stinging fun, and I gotta admit, I had a good time with some of these kills, but I'm curious, Chris, which one of these kills hooked you?

SPEAKER_03 28:21

Okay. It was Paul. Fuck Paul. Didn't really care about Paul. I get listen, is there anything really even wrong with this guy? Maybe. He just had bad energy for me. I get that he didn't outright fucking be a complete asshole, but there's something about him that just annoyed the shit out of me. So I really enjoyed that he's over here being a little goofy little goober, and then all of a sudden, hook in the gut to the gullet, done.

SPEAKER_02 28:50

It was good. He got like hooked, lifted up, right? The blood hitting Annie's lips. And then she licked it. And she tasted she tasted that blood. That was that mo oh my god, that moment. I was like, what the fuck? Of course, of all places, it's gonna hit directly in her mouth. Like, what the hell?

SPEAKER_03 29:10

Yeah, thank god they were married. If she he was just some fucking random person, who knows what she would have gotten?

SPEAKER_02 29:16

Taste his blood. That was wild. Yeah, it was a great kill for sure. What about the dude at the weird whatever the fuck shaved ice place? His name is absolutely insane to pronounce. Is that how we're saying it? Thibodeau, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:36

Thibodeau is how you pronounce that name.

SPEAKER_02 29:38

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 29:39

I always love seeing the names that end in E-A-U-X.

SPEAKER_02 29:43

Yes, absolutely great. Getting covered in bees and just getting complete like your whole face. Do you see his face?

SPEAKER_03 29:52

It was fucked.

SPEAKER_02 29:53

It was bad. Like, these are some killer killer bees, or he was allergic to bees.

SPEAKER_03 29:58

Yeah, that was some anaphylactic shit.

SPEAKER_02 30:00

Yeah, it was intense. Like his whole half of his head just looked like it was just covered in like boils and things like that. And then he got thrown headfirst through the drywall. Through the drywall.

SPEAKER_03 30:14

That was so bad. Holy crap. Sir, he needs a medical attention. Maybe don't pull him out.

SPEAKER_02 30:23

Yeah, yeah. This guy is done for. That was absolutely intense.

SPEAKER_03 30:28

He could have been in My Girl.

SPEAKER_02 30:30

Oh my gosh. It was crazy.

SPEAKER_03 30:32

Okay, but speaking of that fucking detective, I actually also loved his death because it was very Tina from a nightmare on Elm Street.

SPEAKER_02 30:40

Oh yeah. Yeah. The detective is got thrown through the window, right?

SPEAKER_03 30:45

Yeah, so he's the one who I mean, a few things happen to him and then he eventually gets thrown through the glass and then lands on the floor. But when we specifically see the CCTV video of him being lifted up and then her brother watching him cowering in the corner, freaking out, it was straight out of a nightmare on Elm Street.

SPEAKER_02 31:03

Oh yeah, that was great. Yes. The watching the playback footage and like the finally she's like, oh shit, this is some fucked up shit. Like people are floating in midair. Something had to have happened.

SPEAKER_03 31:14

Freddie Krueger up in this bitch.

SPEAKER_02 31:16

Yeah, no, that was definitely good. Here's the thing. What do you think it is about the Candyman and his fascination with pushing his hook through you from behind? You know, like is there any other way? Like, I that's one thing I want to see. Like, get we could be a little bit more creative with the hook. You know what I mean? Like, I feel like if that's the one thing I want to like, we got some throat slicing. Let's see more of that. Let's get somebody in the eye and yank his head racked, maybe snap his neck, like rip his head off. I don't know. There's some crazy shit we could be doing with this hook.

SPEAKER_03 31:47

I don't know. Maybe Daniel just likes it from behind, bro. I can't, I couldn't tell you.

SPEAKER_02 31:51

Maybe he likes he likes to hit it from the back. That's alright. That's alright. But it's interesting. I mean, it's effective, you know, when you're hooking somebody and like lifting them up, that's cool. You're gutting somebody or getting that front shot. I mean, I guess it's because he's always sneak, he is, he's always sneaking up from behind you and grabbing you because it's a mirror thing. Yeah, it's a fucking mirror thing.

SPEAKER_03 32:12

Yeah, no, it absolutely makes sense. But I guess what I would like to see is less of the less of the just pushing it through the back and more reaching around. Yeah. Just like, you know, right.

SPEAKER_02 32:24

You can do a little bit more.

SPEAKER_03 32:26

Scraping, poking.

SPEAKER_02 32:27

Yeah, you could do a little bit more. Get some chest ripping, you know, like rip somebody's insides out, man. Like it could be pretty wild. You can like literally gut somebody from the front of the stomach and all their guts fall out. But maybe we're getting too heavy into the practical effects and things, and maybe we're trying to save some money. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 32:45

I'm just getting the heebie jeebies now, because now I'm thinking about him standing from behind someone, taking that hook, and then like cutting a fucking major artery or something. Like maybe there isn't one. I don't know about anatomy, but like running the hook down someone's like inner thigh and just like ripping it all the fucking way up. That'd be terrible. It could be a slight variation, a remix, if you will, yeah. Of the hot dog slice from Terrifier.

SPEAKER_02 33:11

He could, yeah, he could do something like that.

SPEAKER_03 33:13

I think that's oh my god, that would be fucking terrible. God, now my mind is racing into places I don't want it to go.

SPEAKER_02 33:19

I mean, you did get you did go down that path.

SPEAKER_03 33:22

It was a natural path to go down when you said hit it from behind.

SPEAKER_02 33:27

Oh my gosh. But it's true, like we do have some room for some crazy variations of kills, but who am I to you know, maybe his it's his forte. He likes to go from the behind, and that's cool. It's all good, it's all good.

SPEAKER_03 33:42

Okay, but the worst fucking death was the death of his ghost, of his spirit. I fucking hated this, and let me be clear, I'm not against him being defeated by the cursed mirror.

SPEAKER_02 33:59

No, that that I'm cool with. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 34:01

The execution of this, the effect of him falling apart piece by piece, cool fucking premise, terrible execution, it looked horrendous.

SPEAKER_02 34:13

Yeah, this is one of those moments, because this is we're still in the 90s, right? So you gotta also understand, like, visually, we've come a long way with films, and this, and for me, it was a visual thing that really took me out of it because as he's falling apart in pieces of glass or whatever he's supposed to be from this mirror, right? Like, it just it wasn't even the pieces that fell off, it was what the insides were looking like as the pieces fell off because it looked like a really bad computer game graphic type thing, and I get it, it's the 90s. We're we're much farther advanced than that. We've seen a lot of shit since then. But if you can't make it look good, and come on, did that look good in the 90s? I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 34:59

Just go practical, yes. Why do we have to we talk about fucking how early this technology was, but we also had a nightmare on Elm Street looking great in the 80s.

SPEAKER_02 35:11

Very true.

SPEAKER_03 35:12

Just go practical. Just go practical, practically do like the glass and all that stuff, sure, but maybe don't compromise.

SPEAKER_02 35:20

Maybe he doesn't need to be glass, it doesn't it doesn't have to be that way.

SPEAKER_03 35:24

You tried so hard to execute a vision that it came at the cost of executing the vision. You didn't do it well.

SPEAKER_02 35:31

It's true, it's true, it just didn't look good, and even today, even when we do have good CGI and things like that, it practical effects for some of this stuff is just gonna look cooler, it's gonna look better. It's what the fans really want. We want to see the practical effects.

SPEAKER_03 35:48

Speaking of which, sorry, and just the effects again, really shit storm here. The B cloud also looked terrible.

SPEAKER_02 35:56

Oh my god, I was gonna say worst worst thing in the entire movie was the B cloud.

SPEAKER_01 36:03

The B cloud was terrible.

SPEAKER_03 36:05

As it as it got bigger, it was as if some guy in the editing bay was like, enhance, enhance, enhance.

SPEAKER_02 36:13

It was so ridiculous as they were showing the bees in the air, and then we get like the second of like a dozen bees kind of buzzing around the area that were real. And then they just go. And then they're just gone back in the air wherever they wherever their hive is, wherever that's written time. Yeah. It was horrendous, absolutely horrendous.

SPEAKER_03 36:38

Going on home to their wives.

SPEAKER_02 36:40

Yeah, they couldn't get like one good shot of real bees flying in the air.

SPEAKER_03 36:46

This man put bees in his fucking mouth in the first movie.

SPEAKER_02 36:50

Right?

SPEAKER_03 36:51

The bee shots excellent in the first film. This time around, what the fuck were we doing? Because even then, I mentioned earlier my favorite kill with Paul. Annie fucking slaps, scratches him. Annie, what the fuck was your plan? What were you really gonna do? You just thought maybe if I slap you hard enough, my finger will go through your fucking face. I don't know. We get some bees coming out of his skin, and then eventually the wound closes, and like, okay, yeah, that's kind of cool. It was okay. But the plan, the problem here, this was a movement. Her whole like fucking slap was motivated only because they thought this effect would look sick, but not because it made sense for her character to do.

SPEAKER_02 37:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 37:36

That was a problem for me.

SPEAKER_02 37:37

Yeah, I feel you on that. I definitely do. I do think we should have got more shots with the bees. I do like that one shot we got that you mentioned, but that was really now thinking about it, the only great shot that we got with that. I do feel like some other great parts of this film, the that like decrepit house that Annie goes back to that they fucking grew up in, first of all, looks like on the edge of being condemned. If it isn't already, you're gonna tell me that they lived in there just 13 years ago? No fucking way. 13 years in that whole house is that bad off. I don't know, maybe, but that looked really, really bad. Could not get it. Yeah, just that part wasn't great, but the look of the house was actually I liked once we got inside the house and we're going through, and that's where you get like the shrine with the graffiti, like we got in the first one in the city with the candles, right? That part, I always love that stuff. Visually, that urban part of the urban legend right there, I think is really cool. And then you're gonna also throw in the fact that it's in New Orleans, which I feel like is just such a cool looking city as it is. It's old, it's creepy, it's got a lot of history, it's got cool ass fucking graveyards everywhere. You got the French Quarter, all of it, right? Like it just has some really good vibes. Like we even think about shows like vampire diaries or the originals or whatever, they explore New Orleans very heavily. You've got Anne Rice, you know, with the vampire chronicles that takes a lot of there's a lot of things that take place in New Orleans. It's a spooky place.

SPEAKER_03 39:15

Hatchet also takes place in New Orleans.

SPEAKER_02 39:17

It's a spooky place, I'm telling you. It makes for a great horror film, and I think that like the landscape, the set design, all of that stuff really added to this film in a lot of ways. Like an animated one?

SPEAKER_03 39:34

Oh, yeah. I think it's like a I think it actually takes place in like Baton Rouge, but great things happen in cinema in New Orleans. I do have to agree with you, the murals in this movie are fantastic. It continues to be a strength pulled right from the original film. And there's even a shot that I love very specifically of the Candyman mural and the reflection of her father's blood. That was such a great moment.

SPEAKER_02 39:58

Damn, that was a good moment.

SPEAKER_03 40:00

It was the good shit. He looked fantastic, but also it was the urban legend of it all, the myth of it all. I want to actually take a moment to point out how hilarious my favorite scene was. And it was my favorite scene for just a small moment of comedy. It's when she's confronting these kids who have been fighting, they're talking about a candyman, and she says, You guys don't really believe that, do you? And all those kids just turn straight the fuck back at her. She's trying to fuck around and they're not trying to find out.

SPEAKER_02 40:34

That is true. They weren't about it at all.

SPEAKER_03 40:37

Not one fucking bit. And the fact that this kid then goes and hides after this, fantastic. But it was the the looking back in her eyes, like, are you fucking serious? Of course we believe this. But then we have one lone bee that comes to the window. First off, it's super appropriate now that uh bees are not in a great place in our modern society. Very scarce, the bees. But second, it almost correlates with the internet speed of the time, and it's as if Candyman himself was buffering B by B and just slowly making his way up on dial up to that fucking window. It took him a little while.

SPEAKER_02 41:17

The lowly bee.

SPEAKER_03 41:19

Yeah, it's like when you fucking try to download something from the internet and hours later it's finally there. Candyman took a few hours to download into her fucking life.

SPEAKER_02 41:28

Oh my god, do not bring me back to trying to wait for something to download, and it's just downloading on the screen, little piece by piece, until you finally get the whole page to fucking load. Those are some dark fucking times. Let's not go back to that.

SPEAKER_03 41:41

Because Y2K took you back at the end of the year.

SPEAKER_02 41:44

That's true. We have been going back to those that era a lot recently, and some things are fun and nostalgic, and other things, I'm like, holy shit, that was terrible. Absolutely terrible. I will tell you though, there are some really great scenes in this movie, and I'm gonna start off by actually sharing what I think was such a very strange scene and such a weird scene that almost felt like it didn't belong in the film at all. And it was in the very opening scene when we're getting this professor lecturing to this group of people about the legend of Candyman and his book or whatever, and it's not even the fact that there's somebody that's like lecturing on it, but it's the fact of the audience. The audience I was not bought into. It was a random group of people, old, young, didn't make sense. Like, is this college? Is this just like a book club? Is this like a place where people are like they love this author, they want to go hear him talk? Like, what was happening? And what was with the dude that was sitting off to the left with his sunglasses on that just like kept like nodding like he was having like he's high as fuck, he's like having a good time, like, oh shit, man, yeah, yeah, I'm digging it. Like, what is happening in that scene?

SPEAKER_03 42:56

Yeah, it was just a book tour. So his new book was out. People wanted to get their fucking book signed, they come to see an author speak, but he seemed a little bit more important than he actually is, which is the problem.

SPEAKER_02 43:09

Yeah, you could tell he was a sleazy dude too.

SPEAKER_03 43:13

Yeah, but then it also drops you right into this moment of okay, who the fuck is this guy, and how the fuck am I supposed to know him? Because then all of a sudden her brother is going over, revealing that his father is dead at the hand of Candyman, and this guy said the Candyman wasn't real.

SPEAKER_02 43:28

Very true. I do love though, more like so that was a strange scene, but I do love shortly after that, which is ultimately another kill in the movie, but I had to wait to talk about it for this. It's the scene where Candyman shows up and does attack the professor in the bathroom at the bar because it was great, right? Like, I loved how the fluorescent lights went out one by one. We get that creepy glimpse of him as like the bathroom door swings open and shut. We love Love those little visuals, those are great. Then he's like behind him. Of course, we get the classic mirror shot, like only we would with Candyman. And something about the way that the blood splattered onto this dude's book was just Chef's Kiss.

SPEAKER_03 44:15

It was so good. And it actually in that moment made me think of the reboot that we just got because of that whole bathroom scene. And I'm sure that we also had that in the original film, but I want to go back now and watch all these movies back to back to back just to be able to appreciate what may or may not be more present in the reboot.

SPEAKER_02 44:34

Yeah, for sure. Absolutely. Even just the scene where he shows up at Annie's mom's house, and we get the moment where he's got her mom in his grasp. And it's not even the fact that, like, it's not even the kill that's great in that scene. It's really just the vibe and the ambiance. The lights are flickering, it's spooky, we're vibing. He sticks the hook through her. It's just like a whole thing. And I I was reading this, or not reading, I was watching this interview a while back with that actress who played Annie's mom, and she was talking about like how they were doing that scene and she was reliving that whole thing. And she was talking about one, how nice and awesome Tony Todd is, but also like how like ridiculously big the dude was, and like how scary he could be when he really got into that character. And just talking about that whole scene was really interesting. But yeah, just the way that whole thing played out was great. It's absolutely fantastic.

SPEAKER_03 45:33

For sure. That moment, and especially just hearing his monologue through it all, and you have this huge revelation that this is a woman who has buried her family lineage, has continued to bury her family's lineage.

SPEAKER_02 45:47

True. It's not an unfamiliar trope either. Like we do it, we definitely have had these horror films or stories where the parents or the descent or like you know the family members or what have you, the town, right, has suppressed this dark secret that they just would rather not have out in the open. We have seen that with Nightmare in Elm Street with Freddy Krueger, right? Like we we know that there's some lore that we tried to hit hide there. We have it in Darkness Falls, right? Like it's a thing that we definitely explore, and you know, it makes for some interesting drama. Like we love to uncover those stories, you know what I mean? But it is always interesting. And I think even the moments that we get when we do go back to the flashbacks, and maybe it's like that one flashback that actually brings us back to seeing the actual reenactment of his death, that was a wild scene, right?

SPEAKER_03 46:43

That was so hard to watch. That was what I was mentioning earlier, that it was so difficult to see. And this is actually what tripped me up about the continuity of location. Because if you remember in the first film, it's revealed that he was burned or his body was burned in a pyre at Cabrini Green. So he was burned and killed in Chicago.

SPEAKER_02 47:03

Right.

SPEAKER_03 47:04

But then we're in New Orleans, and it's because he was born there, but then I was just still struggling to look at like the physical connection there, and then obviously she runs off. Carolyn runs off with the mirror that she last saw his reflection in that is now like the genesis of this curse. And yes, I understand now that mirror was held in this physical location in the slave quarters, I guess, where he stayed. But that scene in particular, it was just it was heartbreaking to watch. And then it also shows you look at Caroline's pain, and he's even talking about like he had all this physical pain, but then look at her pain and how much she was hurting and she was pregnant. To look at that and then to see how far things have gone when her eventual descendant is out here disowning her great-great-great-grandfather.

SPEAKER_02 47:54

Very true. It's fucked very true. It is fucked. It was a tough thing to watch for sure. Obviously, you feel for him, he's being chased down. You he's scared, right? Like they chop his frickin' hand off, that's fucked up. But then, like, what kind of normal village or whatever? Who comes up with the idea to just like oh, let's break into this fucking beehive and rub honey all over this dude? And then they got the kids in on it, and it's fucking weird. It seemed like a really off-putting bullying moment, like very, very strange. And then the bees come after him, and that's a whole that's a whole thing, and we get that, but like I just want to know where the thought process was to smear honey all over this dude.

SPEAKER_01 48:33

I'm expecting this guy to be getting up and being like, I'm out, stick his sweet from my head to my feet, yeah. You know, like what's happening here? A very strange time.

SPEAKER_03 48:48

Sean, need I remind you that men hunted and persecuted women and burned them at steaks, so they thought they were witches.

SPEAKER_02 48:55

This is true. This is true.

SPEAKER_03 48:57

These people were doing wild shit, crazy shit. They were unhinged, imaginative shit. Because what else are they gonna do? Be decent humans? You couldn't, you couldn't expect it. You couldn't expect it.

SPEAKER_02 49:10

No, it's absolutely ridiculous, though. Absolutely ridiculous. Not as ridiculous though, as Annie's husband losing his Cajun accent in the first like 10 minutes of the fucking film.

SPEAKER_03 49:24

Do you fucking read that he had an an accent because that's how goofy this asshole was.

SPEAKER_02 49:30

Like he literally started off with this southern accent, and like halfway into his first scene of dialogue, it was completely thrown out the window.

SPEAKER_03 49:41

I thought he was just being an asshole.

SPEAKER_02 49:43

I don't know, man. It was bad, it was very, very terrible.

SPEAKER_03 49:47

Yeah, again, so glad he was gone, and I get it, she's now pregnant with his baby. Well, eventually had his baby. But I think we can also acknowledge their marriage wasn't that great because she did not mourn him very long.

SPEAKER_02 50:03

That's true. She got over that quick.

SPEAKER_03 50:06

Oh, so fucking quick.

SPEAKER_02 50:08

But you know, who knows? You're you're getting chased by a dude that's powered by bees and has a hook for a hand and is just showing up willy-nilly in your life, you know, trying to get you. It's pretty crazy. It's absolutely pretty crazy. But yeah, some interesting character choices. I feel like the professor we already talked about was really felt like a a really like a tool bag. Like he just was very, very strange. He did have good taste in liquor, though, with the single malt whiskey that he was asking for. You gotta respect that. But man, not a great character.

SPEAKER_03 50:44

Terrible.

SPEAKER_02 50:44

Paul, not a great character. The brother, what like not a bad character, but like a bland character for sure. Bland, kind of doofus looking.

SPEAKER_03 50:55

He should have been more interesting than he was.

SPEAKER_02 50:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 50:58

He had the writing and the potential to be cooler. But in this, it's kind of felt like he was just like a wet blanket, you know.

SPEAKER_02 51:06

There was definitely potential for his character to show up a little bit more in this story, but it almost served as just like a I don't know, like a distraction in a way. Like it added to the story a little bit, but it seemed like what was the purpose?

SPEAKER_03 51:23

His purpose was to be an essential set piece in that CCTV video.

SPEAKER_02 51:29

Yeah, it had it was it was all planned just for that because that had to get into the movie.

SPEAKER_03 51:34

Yeah, we couldn't ever show him in a fucking jail cell. He had to be in that one room with that one broken mirror. Right.

SPEAKER_02 51:40

What a great interrogation room. It looked like a banquet hall.

SPEAKER_03 51:43

Yeah, this is your one spot, dude. Fucking stay here. But also, I'm sorry, this is really just clicking for me now. Candyman kills Paul. Annie sees Candyman kill Paul. Annie is still proud of who Candyman is. And at the end of the movie, she's gonna tell her daughter, her daughter, named after Candyman's beloved, a story about Candyman. What is she gonna say? He killed your dad.

SPEAKER_02 52:12

Yep. I know. I was thinking that same thing. Where do you go from here? Because you're telling this story or you're showing the history, you're so proud of it.

SPEAKER_03 52:19

Let me show you this cool ancestor. He killed your dad.

SPEAKER_02 52:23

Let me tell you all about this shit and this the horrific past and uh yeah, that's another time for sure, like 20 years from now.

SPEAKER_03 52:31

Is that what the fucking third movie is? Because if it's the third movie, I'll put that shit on right now.

SPEAKER_02 52:35

No, no, but I do think let's talk about Annie for a second, though. Because what do you what how do you feel about Annie in this movie?

SPEAKER_03 52:43

I think she's inconsistent. I like her as a character, I enjoy her as a final girl. I appreciate that she is a long descendant who looks back on history and tries to make something right.

SPEAKER_02 52:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 52:57

But also, eh, I thought she was it's a struggle for me, honestly. She's no Virginia Madsen, and I feel like that's just where I'm not giving her a fair shot.

SPEAKER_02 53:07

It is tough coming out of the first one for sure. But yeah, I think she did a good job. I think maybe to your point, we're more bought into the family lineage than we are the actual character, maybe, but I I think, yeah, inconsistent. There's some inconsistencies, but I think overall, probably outside of Tony Todd, probably one of the stronger characters for sure in the movie.

SPEAKER_03 53:28

It's him number one, her number two, the little baby girl number three.

SPEAKER_02 53:33

Yeah, because there's just something with Tony Todd just like commanding presence in every scene that he's in. And you almost have to in a movie like this, where you when you're showing up, you're showing up to really fuck some shit up. But I I do think he just has this aura about him, which I think makes Candyman as a character so special in any of these movies, because you know, it's the voice, it's the how you know the size factor, it's the looks that he gives, it's the way that he shows up, it's the legend, you know what I mean? Just all of it together, just fantastic.

SPEAKER_03 54:12

It's very much the man, the myth, the legend.

SPEAKER_02 54:14

The man, the myth, the legend, Tony Todd.

SPEAKER_03 54:17

Two things, two quick things. One, I was just browsing through the IMDB character list, and I just realized that there is someone who is actually credited as Scraggly Vagrant. And I think that's my favorite name of any extra background character ever.

SPEAKER_02 54:34

Yeah, the scraggly vagrant?

SPEAKER_03 54:36

The ones who are in the house, yeah, the scraggly vagrant.

SPEAKER_02 54:39

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 54:40

It's it's giving that's the sequel to uh the greasy strangler. Oh, good. The scraggly vagrant feels like the sequel or follow-up to the scri the greasy strangler.

SPEAKER_02 54:50

The scraggly vagrant, the real side story coming off the candy man. We can definitely have a spin-off of the scraggly vagrants. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 55:00

Mm-hmm. Okay, that was the first thing. But the second thing, you're talking about the voices, and specifically Tony Todd's voice. There's a character in here whose face did not match the voice. Do you know who I'm talking about?

SPEAKER_02 55:14

Ooh, I'm trying to think. Who is it? Who is it?

SPEAKER_03 55:16

Kingfish, the fucking radio guy.

SPEAKER_02 55:19

Oh yeah. Dude.

SPEAKER_03 55:21

What the fuck? This guy was saying all kinds of filthy shit on that radio, and then he looked like a little loser.

SPEAKER_02 55:28

He did, he did. He was saying some weird shit on the radio. Get fucked. Get fucked. Yeah, yeah, that was a great one. Man, he was saying all kinds of weird shit. I thought I had some stuff written down. We are eating the meat raw. Y'all can trust the kingfish, you know?

SPEAKER_03 55:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 55:48

Can we can we trust the kingfish? Because you're telling me to just get fucked, man.

SPEAKER_03 55:54

Yeah, but you know what? Listen, in a place where this guy is one of the number one radio DJs, of course they have people who several times you see having sex in the middle of the street, on a balcony or on the street.

SPEAKER_02 56:08

That's a whole vibe, too.

SPEAKER_03 56:09

Mm-hmm. Right there.

SPEAKER_02 56:12

Yeah, I mean, literally getting drunk and getting fucked. You know, that was the vibe of the city in this movie. I don't know if it's still happening like that or if if this is just a Hollywood thing, but the big easy is real easy.

SPEAKER_03 56:27

It's giving cornhub.com.

SPEAKER_02 56:29

Absolutely. But I do think that the worst part of this movie for me is that while it gave us more in terms of the story and the backstory and the lore, to your point, what we talked about earlier, we get less of the scariness, less of the horror feels that the first one really had. It was really, it wasn't impactful like the first one was. Like the first one really stuck with me. This one played into some really entertaining, you know, uh aspects of the the legend of Candyman, but I didn't feel like I was scared like I was when I watched the original Candyman.

SPEAKER_03 57:16

I mean, I agree with you. That's why it's I would say a central viewing because of the lore of Candyman, but not because this is a scary horror movie by any means. And I think it's largely because of what I mentioned earlier, the fucking lackluster effects and the look of Candyman and during his death scene. But then also they overstimulate you and make you numb to anything scary and destroy any tension with how much they abuse jump cuts or jump cut adjacent treatment. And so honestly, when I watch this again at some point, because I will, I think I'm gonna try to do a franchise binge at some point. I'm gonna do it as a drinking game. Drink every time there's a jump scare.

SPEAKER_02 57:58

I mean, that could be fun for sure. It definitely could. I do think this one overall is it definitely deserves a rewatch. I think it's definitely has some rewatch value. I do you said earlier it makes you maybe want to watch the whole franchise all the way through. I think it absolutely does. If nothing else, definitely first one, this one back to back. The third one, as anyone could probably presume, everyone has their own opinion. I don't think it holds up as good as the first and the second one. It it becomes like more of a coming after the descendants to join me in my pain kind of feel. You know what I mean? And it and it is, it's it's its own thing, but I do think that Candyman, it's a interesting character, it's an interesting story. There's a lot of lore behind it. The first one is absolutely iconic. This one is fun too. I think it definitely is something I will be revisiting again soon.

SPEAKER_03 58:58

Well, we'll see where these revisits of the franchise take us, but for now, there you have it, folks. Candyman farewell to the flesh, nominated by Amber, voted on by the people our patrons as under Universal Slash. I wish only had a robust discussion here, but the conversation doesn't end here by any means.

SPEAKER_02 59:15

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SPEAKER_00 59:52

I believe in the myth.