424: Gingerdead Man 2: Passion of the Crust (2008)

SPEAKER_01 0:04

He did it all for the nookie, the nookie, so you can take that cookie and shove it up your head. Stephen's greetings and salutations, and welcome to Hacker Slash. If you're joining us again, welcome back. Get ready to have your biscuits burned. If this is your first time listening, welcome to the party. We are a horror movie review podcast dedicated to telling you whether a movie is a hack.

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A total joke, a waste of time, or slash.

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Totally killer, pun intended. We believe horror is for everyone and as such for rating these movies with the perspective we've gained from our varying walks of life and the flavors of feeling we fancy most. My name is Chris, I'm your friendly neighborhood slash enthusiast. This week I'm joined by the classic horror connoisseur Sean.

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Ready to have your bagel toasted baby.

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And if you support the show, you'll also get to hear our B-side at the end of this episode where we get into all kinds of wild and zany things that serial killers can be possessing, and movies that even take place on movie sets. It's just a wild time to be alive, folks.

SPEAKER_01 1:18

And this month's nominees were spectacularly seasonal. Now, listen, brace yourselves, folks, because Santa, the clause himself, was featured in two of the three films nominated by our patrons. But our folks, our community, they knew better. They had different plans. They said, We have an agenda and we're here to take up space. Instead, our patrons chose a film that follows the return of a deranged cookie as he infiltrates a struggling film production and turns the studio lot into a hunting ground. And this week, after winning 46% of the overall patron vote, we're talking about Ginger Dead Man 2, Passion of the Crust.

SPEAKER_02 2:04

Oh boy. This movie was nominated by Spooky Bitch, who said, I am nominating this movie mostly for the chaos of it all, but I am fascinated by the potential of this franchise and how crazy it can get. I would love an excuse to watch more of Gary Busey going crazy as a possessed cookie. Also, the more of these movies you review, the closer you get to reviewing The Ginger Dead Man versus Evil Bong, which has to be a special movie.

SPEAKER_01 2:28

I think only Minx knows if it's actually that special, but for now, who's seen this one before?

SPEAKER_05 2:34

Oh man, I feel like, well, admittedly, I had never seen this one before, despite how incredible the name of this one is, a passion of the crust. And we've been talking about that how great this name is for a long time on this show, it feels like. So it's actually wild that it took this long to actually watch it.

SPEAKER_02 2:53

100%. I've been waiting for this moment, savoring it. I've needed to see this movie, but only when the time was right, when our community would decide we had to watch this together. So I watched it, and then I made a brave and bold choice to watch it again two hours later. But Chris, I think that you have me beat on that one.

SPEAKER_01 3:14

Yeah, I watched this movie, and I really wanted to give it as much of my attention as I possibly could. Because, folks, while fuck the original Dead Ginger Dead Man, like I hated that movie. The actual title is something to behold because it predates even Binx and Sean on this show. This goes back to like the Ryan, Alexis, and Mac days, and we're just looking up random BS titles of B horror movies, and Passion of the Crust came up. So this is like a spiritual moment for Hackerslash. So I waited for my complete day off of work. I put this movie on and I did it in such a way where I could really fully absorb it, jot down some notes, have some fun, then take a 10-minute break, a 30-minute break actually, and replay it in a watch party for our Discord community. And oh my god. I'm glad I watched it first, just to like brace myself and get my notes in. Because the second time I watched it, sheer laughter, sheer vibes, wow, what an incredible moment. I expected this to be trash but with a good title, but this movie was actually much funnier than I had any right to expect from it.

SPEAKER_05 4:36

I mean, yeah, based on how the last one was, the original Ginger Dead Man, I honestly, yeah, did not have high expectations for this film. My expectations were probably at an all-time low, if I'm being honest, for sure. And I get it. Like it's it's like one of those movies where even just the title is so absurd you have to laugh before you even put it on. So you're just kind of expecting this movie to live in an in absurdity.

SPEAKER_02 5:05

100%. I think that I really needed this movie to deliver with an iconic title like Passion of the Crust. Okay. I wanted it to be uncomfortable, ridiculous, blasphemous specifically, right? I wanted it to be really bad. I wanted it to be absolutely terrible, but the kind of terrible that will have me laughing for days and weeks on end, because that's exactly what happened with Ginger Dead Man. I still talk about that movie to this day because I can't believe that that movie exists. And I needed it to deliver in the way that Ginger Dead Man did for me.

SPEAKER_01 5:47

Listen, I did need this movie to deliver. I agree with you. But you are so kind to the original Ginger Dead Man, and I think we had to be very clear that you are the kindest person to that movie on this podcast. Because even with me, as a person who is passionate about crust, I do like a good pastry, I like a good flaky crust. I wanted to love this movie, but let me tell you that when this thing starts, we get a funny-ish opening scene, a moment, etc. But we have really honestly just a previously on The Ginger Dead Man, and then we have opening credits. And the opening credits are like three minutes long, it's a full song, but it is a rip-off of bad reputation. And what is infuriating to me, and I'm not even like I'm gonna go into a little bit of detail here, folks, because it's not gonna be a spoiler for you. This is the opening credit song, chill. The fact that they can say literally anything that ridens with the word man, right? So run, run, run just as fast as you can. I'll take you out with a frying pen. But they never have the audacity to commit if you're making this for a ginger dead man movie, just say you can't catch me on the ginger dead man. Like it was right there. And it's like you start this movie being blue balled right at the start with this fucking song.

SPEAKER_02 7:16

But that kind of tracks with the whole theme of the movie. Funny that you say blue balls, because there's a lot of that somehow.

SPEAKER_01 7:26

There is a lot of sex in this movie, and 75% of it is with a cookie. That is something you should be warned about.

SPEAKER_02 7:34

There's a lot of yeah, there's something to say about that in terms of just like beautiful symbolism, right? With a cookie. Go figure. Yeah, the weird thing about this intro was that it was reminding me of the Puneverse. And it was giving like story time vibes, and quite frankly, you have to have some audacity to give an entire recap of your first movie before the second one that takes up five minutes of an already hour and 12-minute long film. Okay. Not that if you ever thought you needed to watch the first one before watching this, like this is a serious franchise. Like, folks, no, it's called Ginger Dead Man Passion of the Crust. Like, you don't have to take it that seriously. But even if you wanted to take it that seriously, guess what? Just in case the base is covered because they recapped the entire first movie in the first five minutes.

SPEAKER_01 8:36

And honestly, it's better for it. I would actively say don't watch that movie. Watch instead the short film that takes place inside Passion of the Crust, where you get all the details and none of the fluff. You just get the good bits.

SPEAKER_05 8:52

It's true. It just gives you this quick little flashback, sets you up to what this fucking cookie is all about, and then boom, you're right in the mix of this insane story.

SPEAKER_02 9:03

It's all of the fluff, or rather, I guess none of the fluff and all of the gluten. Maybe we can say that. Maybe that's better.

SPEAKER_05 9:09

Yeah, there was literally this sense of confused delight while watching this movie. At times I felt amused by how absurd and chaotic this movie actually was. There was so much random shit happening at any given moment that you couldn't help but laugh, right? The low budget effects and over-the-top acting were so cringy sometimes that you just had to laugh.

SPEAKER_02 9:36

Oh, and laugh I did. Laugh I did. I mean, it was one of those films where I'm watching a car crash again. And I think I said this about the first one too. It's like a car crash you can't look away from. And some moments were absolutely just raunchy and crass, and like, if you that's not your kind of humor, you're going to struggle big time with this one. I'll tell you that. But I think for me, the weird thing about this movie and its predecessor is like, it's like if Scary Movie was turned up to like an 11 in some ways. It's got that sense of humor that the early 2000s had that if there's still a population for that kind of humor, and people don't get movies that cater to that kind of sense of humor. So it's got its audience, sure. There were certainly some moments that were just laughable because of how bad the acting is. How in times, obviously, there's it's self-referential in some ways. Its setting is on a movie set. I didn't realize that at the time. I I kind of went into this blind thought, okay, Passion of the Crust, thinking it would pick up right after the first movie, didn't really know where it was going to be set. So there's certain elements to this movie and the way that it's set up, it's characters, the fact that they're on a movie set that allows it to get a little bit crazier than I had at least expected and thought it was going to be going into this.

SPEAKER_01 11:03

Yeah. And what an incredible place to put this movie to. Because you could not bet me any kind of money that I could have ever predicted that. A, I wanted to know nothing about this movie besides the title. I wanted to walk in without any preconceived notion. So I was pleasantly surprised that it wasn't Gary Busick. Let me tell you that. That was a great time. I found myself really having fun with this movie. There are a couple moments I was like, okay, the opening song being one, the a certain kill that we'll talk about in the spoiler zone, no doubt. But I found myself just laughing so much. But also not just laughing at the movie, but actually laughing with it, because this movie is both intentionally and then also unintentionally funny. And the moment where it hits, it's actually crafted really well. And I feel so silly saying that about a ginger dead man movie. But this is great comedy, and it's great in terms of that that laugh factor, specifically because it's leaning into the schlocky B movie exploitative filmmaking. It is taking even like full moon pictures and bringing that into this fictional world and just showing you know a look behind a curtain, an exaggerated look behind the curtain, and thinking about what kind of chaos can rain on a studio lot where this kind of filmmaking is happening. So it was an incredible framing device. I really found myself shocked by that. I cannot believe that they had the nerve to pull that off.

SPEAKER_05 12:43

I think it's also ridiculous. Just what caught me completely off guard was how we get this recap at the beginning, but they also at the same time don't even really attempt to explain how this little baked fucker was able to come back after being eaten at the end of the last one and like transferred and possessed by this other dude and all this shit that happened at the end of Ginger Dead Man, like the first one. You know what I mean? And so they give you this kind of backstory to catch you up on like what this fucking cookie is doing and what this cookie is all about, but how this fucking cookie came to come back, we don't know. He just baked himself back into existence.

SPEAKER_01 13:29

Yeah, I mean, the last movie ends with a box of gingerbread men cookies being opened up, and you know that he has been scattered. He's been scattered in the dough. It was very much like in child's play when a little drop of blood was in a vat of that mix to make the actual good guy doll. So you just know it's gonna run rampant in the future. It's kind of like a ground zero for contamination. But yeah, they really said you don't have to worry about the logistics. Don't burden yourself. Don't be here for logic, just have fun, have joy, choose peace.

SPEAKER_02 14:10

It's a cookie that has the strength to hold all kinds of weapons and all kinds of things. Again, I want to reiterate with a title and a premise like this, if you really thought that there was gonna be any sense of reason or logic, throw it out the window. Because ultimately, you're signing up to see a cookie slasher film. I don't care if this guy suddenly just reappears out of nowhere, I'm here for it. Just let me see this guy in a random setting and doing his thing. I will say though that slightly disappointing that it isn't Gary Busey because I mean, I guess the voice was similar-ish, but I could tell right away. I was like, oh no, I guess they didn't want to bother giving him the money after all, like to continue on. It's a shame.

SPEAKER_05 15:03

Yeah, definitely a shame. We love a good Gary Buusey for sure, but I think when we think of this movie, you know what I mean? The fright factor of this movie? How could you even be afraid of something absurd as absurd as a fucking ginger dead cookie man? Like this thing is those tiniest little most ridiculous fucking cookies that's just also one of the horniest cookies I've ever seen. Not that I've seen many horny cookies in my day, but Jesus Christ, this thing is absolutely ridiculous. But the only thing that's actually scary about this movie is how oddly sexual this movie is and how oddly sexual some of the fucking kills in this one are as well. That's the scary part of this movie.

SPEAKER_01 15:54

The scary part of this movie is we had Fred Durst in Y2K and in I Saw the TV Glow, but it is this Ginger Dead Man cookie B horror movie from 2008, where it is more appropriate to say he did it all for the Nookie, the Nookie, so you can take that cookie and shove it up your ass. Those lyrics all apply to this movie, and that is truly frightening, truly frightening. You could not write this any better.

SPEAKER_05 16:29

When did that song come out? Was it like 99, 2000, 2001?

SPEAKER_01 16:36

Definitely like the late 90s.

SPEAKER_05 16:37

Okay, so maybe the movie was inspired by that song.

SPEAKER_02 16:42

I'm clutching my pearls. This is the spoiler-free zone. So take that and imagine what you will. And that is all we can provide, folks. That is all we can provide.

SPEAKER_01 16:52

What we regret is that I didn't nominate this for worse Nicky Sacrifice.

SPEAKER_02 16:56

Same, same regrets. Is it too late? It's okay. When we record, this will be an honorable mention, one way or another. It will be referenced. Folks, it's all of these things make it scary, right? In addition to just the idea that once again this movie was made. I think that also is pretty frightening. That this is a movie that is out there that has several movies that you know follow it that you can watch it on free for to be. Like, if you want to make a movie, everyone, you can. I believe in you. You can do it. Take this as an example. Well, don't actually make this movie again. We one is enough. One gingerbread killer cookie is enough, but you know what I mean. That said, I mean, I guess that's why it's pretty original. I mean, can we deny? This is obviously one of one. I don't know many gingerbread cookie slashers out there, huh?

SPEAKER_01 17:56

Not only is it one of one, it's one of one in its own franchise. Like this is the redemptive moment. This, you mentioned earlier the Pooniverse effect. This is the first iteration of that. Where the first movie is not good, and the second movie reframes the first movie and makes it way freaking better. Except the roles are reversed because I love the first Winnie the Pooh Blood and Honey, and you think it's trash. So, you know, one man's ginger dead is another man's poo bear.

SPEAKER_02 18:32

And I did love the second, to be clear. I did love the second. So, you know, I'm with you on that one.

SPEAKER_05 18:39

Fair enough, fair enough. Yeah, this is definitely one of one. The idea of a killer gingerbread man cookie is already absurd, but this one pushes almost into that meta territory. It keeps that the setting almost primarily on the back lot of some shitty low budget studio. You know what I mean? And so that in and of itself, like it's just so it's so ridiculous and self-aware, making fun of itself. You know what I mean? It's just something that you just haven't seen. Like, you've seen a lot of hints of this. Like, we we've already said some of this you can tie to Chucky. You know, we we've seen a lot of this kind of stuff. The execution from a low budget B movie slasher, the cheap kills, the cringy jokes, all of that stuff. That formula feels something like something you've seen before, but it's just the concept and the vibe is just totally original.

SPEAKER_01 19:34

You know what might make it even more wholesome though, is how absolutely unoriginal its ending is. And yet somehow it kind of works because we get to a point where the movie feels like it's gonna end, and it throws back to a classic hacker slash. Is this the end, the pre-end, the prologue to the end, or the end end, or the end end end end? There are that many perceivable climaxes in this movie, and just when you think they've done enough, wait, there's more.

SPEAKER_05 20:06

There's more. Yeah, there's more. I don't know what we needed to see that last little bit. It was kind of silly. I guess it just fits with the the wildness of this film, but everything leading up to the end is probably one of the most wild and enjoyable parts of the entire film. It's I mean, it's literally where it lives up to its name. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 20:29

Finally, which is great. And I think that the best way I can describe this ending is comparing it to edging. Basically, where you know, it's you've reached, you think that you're reaching the end. It's getting a little crazy, then it tempers down. I mean, Chris, you described it perfectly. I think that that's exactly that. There were several moments where I thought the movie was over. Also because it's a very quick watch. I mean, you might as well call this a TV show episode, right? So the ending will hit you a few times with how bonkers it can get and how it can definitely elevate the insanity that happens. The last like 20 minutes, which is already a third of the movie, will be quite the memorable time for you.

SPEAKER_01 21:16

Well, I cannot wait to see how all these things shake out into what we actually have to say about this film, because I think it might be a little bit better than I initially expected. But before we actually rate this movie, Sean, how would you describe the gore score?

SPEAKER_05 21:33

The gore in this movie, despite its secondhand title being, or firsthand title actually being Bakery of Blood, this one doesn't really feel like it's intense, like heavy gore. There's blood and dismemberment, but it's usually so over the top, so overbaked, and so exaggerated that it often ends up looking unrealistic. Thus Taking the severity out of the picture completely. So the violence in the gore, they're almost on this cartoon level. Like, think Looney Tunes meet slasher vibes with cookie-shaped chaos. So it ends up being gore that you laugh at instead of flinch from. So it earns itself this medium level of gore.

SPEAKER_01 22:20

And what about the animal report? No animals were baked in this movie. I don't know. He kind of has that dog in him. You're right. Let's go ahead and get into our ratings then. Ginger Dead Man 2, Passion of the Crust from 2008, as nominated and voted on by our people, the patrons. Was it a hack or a slash?

SPEAKER_02 22:41

I can start us off here. I think that this movie and the original as well, and I'm sure all the other ones that come after this are special, unforgettable pieces of media. I can't believe that this is even a franchise that I joke around with my friends about. I reference pretty often. I think it's like almost an alternate universe that I'm living in because how is this a movie that I am laughing my ass off at? I have no clue. It's generally not even my cup of tea in terms of humor, but it's funny. When I watched this movie earlier today, I watched it by myself, and I didn't have as good of a time as when I watched it with everyone at the watch party and just reading people's comments. My opinion on this movie changed drastically from just those two experiences. Okay. The reason that I liked Ginger Dead Man the first one was because I watched it with my best friend. And like I said on that episode, the thing about movies like this and this kind of sense of humor is you're kind of, I don't want to say hate watching, but you're just making fun of the movie with the movie. You know, like the movie is not taking itself seriously either, right? Obviously, it's actually kind of meta in that way, and it's making fun of itself. It's a parody of itself. And I think that that's great and obviously creates like a lighthearted time. Now, there are lots of raunchy moments here that were a little tough to watch as well, and giving soft porno vibes. It was weird. But you know, I I can move past that. I think that when I watched it with everybody else, instead of finding it like that kind of sentiment, it was making fun of it with everybody else, making the jokes, having a good time with the quotes and stuff. So all that to say, I actually hacked the first movie, and I'm going to hack this one as well. But here's why. To me, it's still not a great movie, by any means necessary in terms of like just the overall acting and what's going on. However, this is an example that even though it is a hack, and I know we say waste of time, it's a waste of time for you to watch by yourself. It's a hack that is worth your time if you watch it with a big group of friends or with a best friend, with a partner, whomever it is, and just have a good laugh. If you want something that will just make you forget about anything else that's going on in the world and just take your mind off of some serious stuff and give you some levity and something to crack jokes at, this is the one, and this is the franchise in general to do it.

SPEAKER_01 25:39

Okay. I'm sorry. I just gotta jump in here because Binks, you technically may have hacked the first Ginger Dead Man, but you have been singing the praises out of that shit ever since we had it on the show. And so, what is a slash if not something you continue to bring to the masses? The things that you co-sign, that you bring out to to shed light on or to bring with joy. And let me tell you, if there was any fucking Ginger Dead Man movie that would ever be slashed, it is passion of the crest. Because holy shit, this was fun. This was fun. There is a character in here called the Percolator, and also shit for brains, and I'm not even gonna spoil the best one, but this movie leans in to a setting and to a plot that makes just about no sense, but knows how to have enough fun with it to still get a few laughs in. And I'm sorry, yes, this is a cookie version of Charles Lee Ray and Chucky. That's what this is, but he's freaking funny doing it. This guy has charisma, and I never thought I'd say that about a serial killer cookie. Also, he's mad gross in this movie. Almost more along the lines, like on the spectrum of Chucky to the turkey from Thanksgiving, he's definitely more on the turkey side, but he's not so far on the turkey side that it's that gross. There's something really special here, and I cannot believe I'm even comparing these two movies. But there are two things about this movie. It's one, the incredible quotes that I have pulled, and the biggest sense that I got was actually from one of the quotes, and ooh, it is now we're cooking. Hell yeah, Passion of the Crust. Now we're cooking. I'm in, I'm on board, I'm here to have a fun time, and you know what? It really is just a little lovin' from the oven, baby. It's a slash.

SPEAKER_05 27:54

Just a little lovin' from the oven. That's amazing. And look, Binks, I respect the hack. I feel like this is the kind of movie that deep down we all know is a bad movie, but it's so fucking hilarious. The Ginger Dead Man 2, Passion of the Fucking Crust, is a half-baked concoction of absurdity. Yeah, the plot crumbles like a dry piece of gingerbread, but that listen, it didn't turn me off. I feel like I get into the low budget camp charm in these types of movies if it's done with taste. I think the plot, yeah, it makes no sense at all. It doesn't matter because this movie is this wild ride of ridiculousness. It's just plain fun to watch. And I get it. It's probably more fun to watch with a group of people because you can all just be having a great time while watching it. It's full of these oddly sexual undertones, or maybe overtones for that matter. I don't know, but just tones, just tones, just sexual tones. And it was listen, it was actually one of the horniest movies that I have seen in a long time. No pun intended. The movie lures you in like a fresh-baked treat, only to quickly descend into a doughy mess of chaos that's somehow so much more entertaining than the first one. I gotta tell you, I re-watched the first one right before watching this one just to like refresh, and I hated every moment of the first Ginger Dead Man. This movie was night and day different from that one. And look, there's certainly a place for ridiculous self-aware horror. It's not for everyone, but this is the kind of movie that I grew up watching with friends and having a great time. So I have a deeper appreciation for this kind of absurdity in horror. So some fans might nibble at the madness, some are probably left chewing on why this dessert needed a sequel. Kevin Cheatham said it himself in the movie. He's a total hack. And this movie, by any definition of the term, is probably a hack, but this was also too ridiculous to not have a good time. It's that B movie charm that you can't help but love. So you said it earlier, Chris. Fred Durst did it all for the nookie. I'm doing it all for the cookie. Throw some icing on that bitch. I'll take a bite. This one is a slash.

SPEAKER_01 30:33

I love it, Sean. That's my boy. And let me tell you that when you're talking about how horny this movie is, this is for sure, as we said in the Discord chat earlier, a subsidiary of cornhub.com. It is onlycrust.com. There's just a lot of stuff happening in here.

SPEAKER_05 30:51

Raw Doe.

SPEAKER_01 30:52

Oh, not the raw dogging.

SPEAKER_05 30:54

Rawdoin. Rawdoin. We're Rawdoin.

SPEAKER_01 30:58

Well, we haven't had this intense of a hacker slash after dark all year long. Only fitting that it would happen in our in this, our last episode of 2025, before we get into the Slasher's Choice Awards. But with that, Ginger Dead Man 2, Passion of the Crust, it has earned one hack and two passionate slashes. But you have to find out for yourself just how much fun you want to have, so fuck around and find out. Go watch it online, then join us in the second half so we can really try to change Pinks' mind. We'll see you in a bit.

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SPEAKER_01 32:46

Welcome back, folks. You're now entering the spoiler zone for Ginger Dead Man 2 Passion of the Crust, which has earned one hack into passionate slashes. And we have a lot to unpack here, but before we get into the specifics of our ratings, let's go through those kills.

SPEAKER_05 33:02

The deaths or kills in this movie were just as ridiculous as the rest of this fucking movie. Hell, even some of the kills were fucking sexual, like borderline cringy sexual. Like some of these kills were so over the top. And with kills ranging from humans to puppets and even robots, there's bound to be something in the cookie jar for everyone. And we've got 12 cookies in the cookie jar to really fucking pull. So let's bite into them. Which one of these kills put the icing on your gingerbread?

SPEAKER_01 33:37

Okay. Here we go. R.I.P. to the crucifixion of the ginger dead man who died for our cinnamons. Who died for our cinnamon?

SPEAKER_02 33:48

I love it. At one point when they call out that it smells like what was it, cinnamon sugar?

SPEAKER_05 33:54

Yeah. They're like, I'm cinnamon extract or something.

SPEAKER_02 33:57

Cinnamon extract, you're right. Absurd. Absurd. But can I say that with a name like Passion of the Crust, I thought that this movie was gonna be real motherfucking blasphemous, like really get these people upset. I thought it was gonna be lots of crucifixions and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_01 34:16

We only got it at the end. Actually, I'm okay with it because I felt like it was just that fucking hilarious. And being just strewn up there and just being set ablaze, absolutely absurd imagery. Their intention was absolutely to piss off Christians, like very openly. They wanted this movie to be controversial and hateworthy because it obviously, well, they say that uh no press is bad press. But I I just thought that was absolutely hilarious. Now, what was a little bit of a a turn for me was we all saw how crispy crunchy he got, yeah?

SPEAKER_05 34:52

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:53

Sure did. Yeah, yeah. So this guy at the end just walked up, picks a piece of him off, but it's nice and fluffy.

SPEAKER_05 35:01

Yeah, it was almost like a marshmallow inside, is what the texture felt like as he was eating it, which threw me off. I was like, so he's just crispy on the outside and gooey on the inside.

SPEAKER_01 35:12

Well, remember in the first movie, he was flushy and bloody on the inside.

SPEAKER_05 35:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:16

And all the times that he got shot, he was still bloody.

SPEAKER_05 35:21

It doesn't have to make sense. We know this about this movie. The common sense of it all, it doesn't have to be there. There's too much law, don't throw too much logic at it.

SPEAKER_02 35:31

Listen to yourself. We're talking about shooting a cookie. It's a literally shooting a cookie.

SPEAKER_01 35:38

For sure. I'm just saying, should the material not be consistent?

SPEAKER_02 35:41

Yeah, yeah, whatever. They forgot. They forgot. At this point, the only thing that they were consistent about was just maybe how ugly its face looks. But they can't decide how half-baked, barely baked, fully baked, crunchy. They don't even know at this point. But I will say that his arms were looking a little stronger. He was putting on some upper arm strength in that time while he was in the little donut box, getting that workout in. He was good for him.

SPEAKER_05 36:10

Pumping those doughbells, you know.

SPEAKER_02 36:13

Very important. Very important.

SPEAKER_05 36:15

It almost felt like, and we'll get back to the kills in a second, but because you started with the crucifixion of the ginger dead man, which, you know, obviously is one of the most iconic kills in this movie. It even just thinking of the title and starting at Bakery of Blood, and then getting it almost felt like we starting there, because that title makes sense. It's a pretty good title still. And then we get to the movie, and it almost felt like they got to the end and they're like, they made this crucifixion scene, and they're like, Holy shit, we hit gold, and then somebody was like, It's the passion of the crust, and then that's where that title was born, you know.

SPEAKER_01 36:55

Yeah, that feels right, it feels earned, it feels like I respect them more for it, yeah, quite frankly.

SPEAKER_05 37:02

Yeah, man, but there are some absolutely ridiculous, ridiculous kills in this movie. Just crazy. I mean, you've got like the double kill scenario where Polly and Cornelius are getting it on, and it's so ridiculous that he's stabbing through Polly and then somehow gets through into Cornelius and man.

SPEAKER_01 37:30

Yeah, listen, that is a classic slasher kill. Slashers love to kill a BOGO and just get two people who are fucking that's very commonplace.

SPEAKER_00 37:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 37:40

However, what was ridiculous to me, and this is around the point where I put the note wow, there's a lot of sex in this movie, and 75% of it is legitimately from the Ginger Dead Man. Whether it's him masturbating while watching them, or him humping a puppet, or any number of other things that he's actually doing in this movie. But it was this point where this guy is hooking up with her, she's getting stabbed, he keeps going, he's uninterrupted, he will not be bothered to determine.

SPEAKER_05 38:10

All the blood on Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 38:12

She's spewing up blood on his shoulder. Sir, sir, it's not supposed to be wet up there.

SPEAKER_04 38:19

In the heat of the moment. In the heat of the moment.

SPEAKER_02 38:22

He was determined and he was not going to quit until he was forced to, basically. Now, what's so uncomfortable about that scene is that we have to hear that moaning for as long as we did.

SPEAKER_01 38:36

Long time.

SPEAKER_02 38:37

And it was it was Oh yeah. Polly likes it. She repeated that Mr. Cracker a lot. She repeated it a lot. I'm gonna need her to change it up a little bit at the very least. Now, what's funnier is not only is he watching that's not the funny part, it's just kind of weird and creepy, definitely a horny guy. It's the cigarette afterwards.

SPEAKER_05 39:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 39:02

It's the cigarette afterwards.

SPEAKER_05 39:04

Yeah. I can't. It was that and also Cornelius literally just I couldn't help but think I was in some weird parody of a Buffy the Vampire fucking spinoff here with like the Our Discord community highlighted how much they did the makeup was giving Buffy.

SPEAKER_01 39:22

It was also though, it escapes me now. But folks, if you have not joined our Discord, you want to join the Discord. I promise you. This is one of the funniest collections of people I've ever met in my life. And somebody in that chat made a cuck joke with a pun for a cookie, and I I can't remember what it was, but I do remember dying laughing again, wheezing, wheezing, losing my breath, about to have an asthma attack because these people are just that fucking funny. So you want to have fun with dumb shit like this.

SPEAKER_02 39:58

They were incredible. I was laughing like crazy, and I'm telling you, it makes the world of difference when you're watching this movie, in my opinion, for sure. Now, one kill that I do want to highlight because what it had no right to be in this movie. It's so absurd, so controversial. I think it might talk about it.

SPEAKER_05 40:20

Let's talk about it.

SPEAKER_02 40:21

Is it is it this one? I don't know. Probably just me, Ricky.

SPEAKER_05 40:25

I know exactly what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_02 40:28

Stabbed in the ass with that hair iron, repeatedly with the hair iron.

SPEAKER_05 40:34

It was so borderline crossing way too many lines that like that was insane.

SPEAKER_02 40:41

That was crazy. At one point, him liking it, the other not. What that was doing the most, folks.

SPEAKER_01 40:52

Okay, so uncomfy, dislike. There, the whole thing about his character in particular. It's like, okay, I'm gonna say this, and I don't want to hear, oh, you're just so woke. What are you doing? What are you getting mad about? It's just a fucking movie. I get it. Yeah, I get it. I'm also laughing at this fucking movie, to be clear. It's played for laughs. The actor is leaning into it, he's also playing it up for laughs, whatever. For me, though, it is like the internalized homophobia of the early 2000s. But uh, it is what it is. What I did appreciate though is it being like this nod to slepaway camp. Wait, things have you not seen Slepaway Camp? I have. Okay. I thought I just ruined something for you. No, but no.

SPEAKER_02 41:33

No, I did. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:34

I sure did. Don't worry, listener, if you haven't, if you haven't watched Slepaway Camp, I ruined nothing for you. But that's what I want to chalk this up to. I want to reframe this in my mind, recognize this as a product of its time, and leave it in a box over there where I never want to see or touch that moment again.

SPEAKER_05 41:51

Fair enough. Fair enough. It was definitely a wild and absurd kill for sure. And it's one of those that almost brings you like out of the absurdity and into like that cringy territory where you're like, what the fuck am I watching? Luckily, we get like back on track after that kill, and it just becomes hilarious through and through. Even down to like we get for some reason as I was watching this movie, and you know, in the very beginning, we're getting into like the opening scene and they're introducing these fucking ridiculous fucking puppets. The most ridiculous puppets, you know what I mean? But at the end, it just it hit me again at the end when they're shooting Dickie, the fucking dick puppet. It was the most ridiculous and absurd thing I have ever seen.

SPEAKER_01 42:39

Put some respect on that dick's name. Haunted dildo.

SPEAKER_05 42:43

Haunted dildo. Dickie the haunted dildo. It was just so ridiculous, man. But I when I saw that, all the puppets at the end and everything, and just all of them getting shot and whatnot by Sir Ian and the haunted dildo getting shot and just the shaft breaking off. Man, wow.

SPEAKER_01 43:03

I'm sorry. We also have to acknowledge here for a second what is the scale of these puppets? How big do we think these puppets are?

SPEAKER_05 43:10

Oh, they're like hand puppets, they're not that big.

SPEAKER_01 43:13

Oh, and they look a little bit bigger than hand puppets to me.

SPEAKER_05 43:15

Well, I mean, I would imagine they're like maybe a foot or so tall.

SPEAKER_01 43:20

They're not I think a little bit more than that. Because here's what I'm thinking. We started this year with 28 inches later, and we're ending it with 28 inches too. You're not wrong. You're not wrong. Is there gonna be a competition? This is a dick sizing contest at this point. Oh my god, we need another fucking category in the Slasher's Choice Awards. Damn it, is there still time? Ding dong dis.

SPEAKER_05 43:44

Ding dong dis Whoa!

SPEAKER_01 43:46

Whoa, that was so good.

SPEAKER_05 43:48

That was good. That was fucking fantastic. It really, the puppets were oddly reminding me of this that the if you know wrestling or not, but Bray Wyatt's. Firefly Funhouse has a whole bunch of weird puppets and they look a little bit deranged, and they're not nearly as ridiculous as these puppets. And you know, there's no haunted dildo puppet, but I was definitely getting Firehouse Firefly Funhouse vibes for sure.

SPEAKER_01 44:18

You were, and I wish I knew more about the Bray Wyatt stuff, and I've I have deeply appreciated what you have shared with me, especially as I'm going into Halloween horror nights. But one thing that that does make me think of is just the theatricality that A went into everything there, but also B, then also in this movie on its set. I cannot say enough from the haunted dildo puppet all the way up to the entire sound stage. I enjoyed the way this movie looked. I feel so silly saying that. It is a ginger dead man movie. It's not even shot particularly well, but it is chaotic and it does perfectly capture this magic of running from one room into another, and suddenly you're going from a studio, like a soundstage, into what looks like you're about to go to leprechaun for in space. Like it looks exactly like that level of quality.

SPEAKER_05 45:20

Very true. And you're right, like the practicality of everything that they did, the practical effects, the practical sets, the puppets, the cheap gore practical effects that just looked so ridiculous. You have to love every bit of the it's actually to me kind of impressive to say that they used so many practical effects and practical sets throughout the film, and being as low budget as it probably was. I don't even know what the actual budget for this film was, but to be able to use all the practical effects that they used, I thought was such a great touch. And it you can only make a campy movie like this, a low-budget beam movie horror movie like this work with wild and ridiculous practical effects, even if they don't look great, it's just part of the charm.

SPEAKER_02 46:10

I think you know what else has some charm. I think that when I watch like bee horror movies like this, I obviously set a different standard, of course, in terms of production value. But this is something that actually did surprise me because we don't even get that many movies that are about being on a movie set. You know what I'm saying? And I think that I definitely bought into that. The ambiance, how everyone was just frantic at the beginning when they were like doing the scene in that fight that they're breaking out into. You know, you see the camera equipment here and there, you've got the good old donuts and stuff for little snacks in between. They thought of everything in terms of making the set super believable. Where, again, can't help but reiterate, I'm not expecting much from a movie that has to do with a gingerbread cookie killer. I don't even think that I had anticipated the blood to even look very good, and it's honestly better than the blood that they give in the Puniverse. Let's be real.

SPEAKER_01 47:16

Okay, I actually made a note. Why does the fake blood and heart look better than some of these other movies we've been seeing lately? And again, it's just leaning into some practical stuff. That's it. You it doesn't take a lot to make something look passable and serviceable. It's fine. But I also want to point out and you mentioned like this opening scene, and it was actually my favorite scene of the whole movie, was just setting the stakes, getting to understand the world that we're living in, looking at how ridiculous this like schlocky film they're making. When we start getting this escalation and the over-the-top of summoning things from the percolator that looks like a coffee maker with guns, to Shiffer Brains, and then Rise Haunted Dildo Rise. It's just uh such an acknowledgement of absolute absurdity that comes out of these things. And then the commentary on nobody being happy or proud to be associated with this movie, but this one producer is like, Nope, we're gonna keep pushing, we're gonna do it because this is gonna sell, and being just blind to that, right? It's the difference between the suits and the creatives, and so I really, really loved and appreciated that.

SPEAKER_05 48:34

Can I tell you there's so many ridiculous moments in this movie? And I said it at the beginning of this episode, I have more quotes than notes in this movie because there were so many absurd things happening, and I want to get into my favorite scene, but I also just want to highlight that there was this one little note that just had me dying, and maybe I'm going to hell for this, but it's when they're introducing Tommy, right? And they're saying that what did they use? They use the terminology like, oh, we're with end of the rainbow, and that term just had me dying. Like the make a wish parody is already like so cringy and so bad in so many ways, but the end of the rainbow just sounds like this motherfucker's about to die, so let's give them something. And I could like maybe I'm going to hell, but I just was dying as soon as I heard that line.

SPEAKER_01 49:37

Oh, it was hilarious. It was absolutely a how do we take something pure and wholesome like the Make a Wish Foundation and just make it as cheesy as we possibly fucking can. Also, I want to shout out I school Dr. PP. That's Lucas, a patron in our Discord. I believe it was him who said he's giving great value Pete Davidson.

SPEAKER_05 49:59

Oh my god, okay. Now I can't unsee that, but that's amazing.

SPEAKER_01 50:03

Yeah, if I misattributed that quote, please correct me in the Discord, but damn, y'all again, y'all were on it the entire time.

SPEAKER_05 50:10

That was that is fucking pure gold for sure. Which brings me to what my favorite scene is, because that was also pure gold, and it's when, and we mentioned it for a brief moment, it's when the ginger dead man is literally humping the fucking puppet, and the dude's hand is in the puppet under the table, he's sitting there like trying to figure out what the fuck is happening while this ginger dead man is literally molesting his fucking hand to the fucking puppet. It was so ridiculous, so over the top. But then at the end of it, to like stab the hand on top of that is one thing. I expected the hand to be stabbed or cut in some way, but please, someone tell me, where the fuck did this guy pull a little miniature-sized fucking chainsaw? Where did that come from?

SPEAKER_01 51:00

Okay, spooky bitch had the same question in the watch party, and someone aptly responded from the tiny hardware store, to which she said, You're right, I'm really asking silly questions, and I should know what I'm getting into.

SPEAKER_05 51:12

It's just so it was so random and so unexplained that it added to the hilarious, like the hilarity of that moment. It was so ridiculous, so funny. It started off so weird and awkward and funny. You had to laugh at the moment, and then to pull out the chainsaw, the tiny chainsaw, out of nowhere that shouldn't have been anywhere near where he was. But I guess maybe we've got puppets there, so maybe that was a prop, who knows? But for it to come to life is a whole nother thing.

SPEAKER_01 51:39

Well, just like the fucking laser prop that came to life and actually killed a man.

SPEAKER_05 51:44

Yeah, the robot laser it's happening. Does the ginger dead man just have powers to bring inanimate objects to life? Is that what's happening?

SPEAKER_01 51:51

No, it's the power of negligence on Hollywood sets, actually. Like we're thinking about how many accidental negligent discharges there are with actual firearms on sets, less so now than in the past, but still prominent now. We've seen obviously the case with Alec Baldwin. It happens too much, and this movie felt like a hilarious and exaggerated way of saying, Oh, this feels like it I thought it was fake.

SPEAKER_02 52:18

Look at Passion of the Crust getting political and br providing real commentary on the film sets.

SPEAKER_05 52:25

We love to see so much, so much deeper.

SPEAKER_02 52:28

So much deeper, it's profound, it's profound cinema, folks. Of course it is, of course it is. With you know, moments like you know, where a little bit of sci-fi, and you have a scene of a woman getting her ass paddled, and you've got the actor getting feedback from the director because he takes his craft seriously, you know, and all the director cares about is whether the scene was in focus. I died laughing. I really did. I thought that that was incredible. There's so many moments here where it's just making fun of itself, how movies are made, of people and how they act on film sets. It was just one thing after another that was creme de la creme. I think another moment that stands out for me, because there's so many, I mean, that'll make you laugh, and are you're gonna talk about like I can't even believe I just watched this, but it's probably like maybe another similar one to the one I just referenced. And that's Tommy basically going on his rant, like his scream ghost face monologue, essentially, going fucking off, and suddenly being like, wait a minute, you're gonna take me seriously, you're gonna read my scripts, you're gonna give me a chance. Well, there's certainly an audience for this stuff, you know. I've been watching it for so long, you've been making movies for 15 years, he must be doing something right. Like the switch up is so real for all of these like keyboard movie hater people, you know what I mean? Like they just rant and go off on some of these movies with no sense whatsoever. But the moment that they get recognized, all of a sudden, oh, but I love this movie, it's so great. I thought that that was really, really clever.

SPEAKER_01 54:10

Yeah, that was a a moment where I believe he was dubbed during the watch party terrorist Tommy, and also acknowledging that he walked so Richie could run in scream. But hey, here we are. Commentary, there's always critics, and even shout out to Calvin for acknowledging that he, in fact, is a total hack.

SPEAKER_05 54:34

But I have a question. There's a lot of great scenes in this movie. One of the things that is so wild to me is that you can have so much fun watching a movie like this, but really were any of these characters even likable? Like, none of these characters were even likable. So that really speaks volumes to how fun this movie was, but how but well, doesn't speak volumes to how fun the movie was, but it speaks volumes to how wild it is that this movie could be as entertaining as it is without having at least one character to really latch on to, because really nobody you can't give a shit about anybody in this movie.

SPEAKER_01 55:12

Yeah, yeah, I give a shit about the ginger dead man. I thought he was hilarious.

SPEAKER_05 55:15

Yeah, but you're not like rooting for him to survive.

SPEAKER_01 55:19

I don't know, maybe I was. No way. Let's have let's have you have a crossover with a Thankskilling turkey, and then maybe I'd watch a Thanksgiving movie.

SPEAKER_05 55:32

Well, we all know the Ginger Dead Man's gonna survive somehow because they don't even have to explain how he survives.

SPEAKER_01 55:38

Oh my god, he's gonna be the pie crust at Thanksgiving.

SPEAKER_05 55:41

That would be hilarious.

SPEAKER_02 55:42

He's the doe that keeps on giving, that's for sure. And I can't even imagine how this next movie's gonna start, that's for sure. But the point is that I want him to at least make it to the finish line to give me another movie that is just as ridiculous as the one prior. And yeah, I agree with you. There's not many characters, if any, at all, that are likable. I think there's certainly a few that are funny. Polly, as an example, has so many like ridiculous one-liners and just scenes in general that are like, girl, you're so weird.

SPEAKER_05 56:20

Well, that's what I'm saying. Like, they the characters themselves were wildly unlikable. They're super, like, super paper thin. They definitely feel like they only exist as walking punchlines to carry the movie forward and to just kind of fill in for kills and things like that, and to just add to some of the humor. So it's just wild. I mean, it I guess they serve their purpose, but you know, I think of maybe not as absurd as on this movie's level, but I think of Evil Dead 2, I think of Army of Darkness, and there's a lot of absurdity in those movies, but you have Ash to latch on to, you know what I mean? You have a character that more often than not, the general audience is gonna like this character, and that's the character you latch on to, despite all the ridiculous characters that just serve to move the plot forward.

SPEAKER_01 57:13

For sure. I also want to give a shout out to the characters that you're not gonna like fully latch on to a small detail of, and that's most of them aren't even addressed by their full name on screen. But let's give a shout out to Heather Crocker, Tommy Hines, Wendy Hines, Tim Nestle, Butch Tillsbury. We just have a lot of these names. Toothless McComeless actually is a name of a character. The character names are absolutely wild, and many of them are labeled as like these popular foods or snacks or baked goods. Absolutely ridiculous. What a fun touch.

SPEAKER_05 57:57

That is that is actually fucking funny. You gotta love it. You gotta love it. But listen, the worst part of this movie for me, outside of maybe I wouldn't even say it's the plot not making sense because that adds to the hilarity of this movie. Maybe the worst part is them not giving us any kind of explanation to why this fucking ginger dead man came back to life, or maybe it's just because we didn't get enough kills. Like, I wanted to see more ginger dead man slaughtering other people. Like, could we get it? We touched, we like scratched the surface. Like, we had a a few amazing kills, and then we had some that were just kind of like stabby kills, and we could have done more with them. I feel like we could have gone even further, we could have gotten even crazier, and so it's a tough one. It's a tough one.

SPEAKER_01 58:51

I think I personally could have done without the curling iron sodomy. That's just me.

SPEAKER_05 58:57

Fair. Yeah, that's curling iron sodomy is fair.

SPEAKER_02 59:00

That's pretty valid. That's pretty valid. The use of the word and the applicable use of the word sodomy really is not how I expected to end the year.

SPEAKER_01 59:11

Incredible. Incredible that I would um have precision of language.

SPEAKER_02 59:16

Call it for what it is. I love it. I love that. Now that might be the best part of this movie, just in terms of how we can discuss this film, you know, like just this experience alone is probably the best part because I never in my wildest dreams thought that I would be sitting here discussing a gingerbread cookie slasher film and that I would be laughing and having a good time with other people watching it, despite it being a terrible film. I think that what this movie can do is bring people together, and that's beautiful. Now, that being said, I've watched this movie twice today. I gotta tell you, I will not be re-watching this again anytime soon, that's for sure. But I am most certainly ready for Ginger Dead Man 3, Saturday night cleaver, folks.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:11

Oh my gosh. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:14

I actually wanna nominate Nathan, who in our live stream chat right now has suggested that there should have been the title, Ginger Dead Man 3. We need another one. Like, need.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:28

Yeah, need that document.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:29

You understand? The one with a K.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:31

The term when you Oh, it's a play, it's a play on the word for sure. Again, um language. It's truly, truly incredible for sure. And look, this one is definitely one that I will revisit. I will definitely be double dipping in the cookie jar. I'm really hoping that the third one is anywhere near as good as this one, but I don't know. I don't know if it will be. The first one, complete trash. This one, pure gold. We'll see what happens. We'll see what happens.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:00

Yeah, I'm super open to watching this one again. Maybe not this year. Well, there's only a couple weeks left. Catch me having fun next year, though, and I might fuck around and find out. I'm gonna have a little bit more fun to go. But for now, Ginger Dead Man 2 Passion of the Crust has earned one hack and two slashes. Now we've certainly had a robust discussion about this movie, but the conversation doesn't end here by any means.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:26

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SPEAKER_01 1:01:43

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