Ranking Summer Camp Slashers

Kris 0:00

A mask, a machete, a figure who never runs because he simply never has to. Summercamp built one of the most recognizable killers in horror history and actually has spent the last 45 years since then trying to build a worthy successor. Some of them have come close and others have crashed and burned. But tonight we have 12 killers, four tiers, and only two who get to be worthy of legendary status. Welcome to our ranking of Summer Camp Slashers. Summerween greetings and salutations, and welcome to Hacker Slash. If you're joining us again, welcome back. If this is your first time listening, welcome to the party. We are a horror movie review podcast typically dedicated to telling you whether a movie is a hack.

Sean 0:42

Total joke. A waste of time.

Kris 0:44

Or a slash. Totally killer. Pun intended. My name is Chris. I'm your friendly neighborhood slasher enthusiast, and this week I'm joined by the classic horror connoisseur Sean.

Sean 0:53

I've seen enough horror movies to know any weirdo wearing a mask is never friendly.

Kris 0:58

And the paranormal paramour Binks.

Binx 1:00

And you're like 40 fucking five and you still go to summer camp.

Kris 1:04

A couple weeks ago, we drafted what we felt were the best summer horror movies, and today we're actually narrowing our focus down to ranking the slashers who terrorize campgrounds. We're not talking about the films they came from. We're not even talking about how much we really like them. We're not even talking about their final girls. We're talking about the people or the vessels who are actually behind the mask or holding the weapon. To be on this board and qualify, you actually have to clear two very simple things. You have to hunt at an actual camp with a name, a staff, and a season. And you are a physical embodiment and character, not a curse and not a fog. So we'll actually be sorting our killers into four different tiers. We have our camp legend tier, which if you were to pull them out of horror history and camp slashers, uh end up looking different. They're not necessarily your favorites, but they are load-bearing within the genre. Then we have head counselor material. So yeah, they run their camp, they do it effectively, they're memorable, they do the job. Maybe they're not the elite status, but they certainly have an impact. Then we have should have stayed home. The idea was better than what actually showed up. So they had a great concept behind them, but they didn't deliver it and they didn't live up to their full potential, the expectation. And then we have for the absolute worst, banned from camp. These are actively bad, they're embarrassing to even have in the conversation. Now our camp legend caps at two categories, and at least one of these people is going to get banned. Those are our maximums and our minimums. But what we're going to do is I'm going to actually introduce each killer. We'll have a brief discussion around who they are, what they're all about, and then Binks and Sean will be the arbiters of their fate. Are you both ready?

SPEAKER_01 2:49

Ready. Ready to go.

Kris 2:51

All right, let's get started. First up, we have Angela Baker. Now, Angela Baker made her debut in Sleepaway Camp 1983. Maybe people are seeing the first three films, but there's technically five in the franchise, more than 25 years, and more than 50 kills.

Sean 3:10

That's a lot.

Kris 3:12

That is a lot.

Sean 3:13

Angela Baker, yeah, it's a lot. I think Sleepaway Camp, it's definitely a memorable franchise. It's for me like it's you you were probably debating between head counselor material and camp legend, to be honest. When you're really looking at it, because it's Angela Baker is, I feel like one of Horror's most shocking has, or the Slepaway Camp has one of Horror's most shocking endings, but also she has a very quiet, unsettling presence. There's some really genuinely memorable kills in Sleepaway Camp. Even Camp Arawak feels hers, you know what I mean? It doesn't feel like just any camp, like it definitely has that feel to it. Not the biggest killer, but definitely one of the most unforgettable killers that we have on the list. So she could go in either of those top two categories, but I'm curious on what you all think.

Binx 4:08

No, I mean, honestly, if we want to be real 100 right now, this one's an easy one for me. It's it's an easy choice. I know exactly what I was doing when I watched this movie for the first time. I know exactly the look on my face when I saw that ending. This movie, I mean, Sleepaway Camp is fucking gnarly, man. And granted, I would imagine, I haven't finished all of them, right, in the franchise, but if I know anything about some of these slasher franchises, that as we go along, it's probably gonna go a little south. But to be honest with you, I feel in my heart of hearts that that's just a name, and she sticks it through and is just like an impressive, very terrifying killer. I it's it's shocking, if anything, and that's like the big bit for Seapway Camp.

Kris 5:05

Yeah, there's a lot to go into her, and that's why I want to pause for a moment and and point out a couple things, right? So for each killer, we're gonna go through the look, a signature aspect of them, perhaps what they're member for. We're gonna make a briefcase for, briefcase against, and then this is gonna really help our audience tie over as you both deliberate. So just to recap this here, Angela as a character, we're gonna define Angela in her debut. Angela was the quiet kid, nobody really suspected her, nobody looked twice, right up until the last 90 seconds of the movie, which is pretty significant. If you look up the name Angela Baker, you're gonna see who she becomes because there's the original actress and then the actress who took over beyond that before the original came back through. So there's so much that goes into not just the franchise and the movies, but the character. Angela Baker is arguably one of the only actual, like real characters on this board beyond being like an undead person, a camp legend, like a like a myth, an urban legend, etc. Everybody else, by a comparison, ends up being an unstoppable force with a weapon where Angela has an entire life or life story, uh history, complex childhood dramas. Not to say that Jason doesn't, but there is a reason, and and the movies make you really sit with all of it, right? So again, those five films, uh she actually has more appearances than anyone else here, except for Jason. So I think those are the easy things that you think about, like with being an icon an icon. But the problem here, and this is where you know, as you deliberate, and I want you to weigh in, three of the five films uh are really hard to defend. I would think honestly, even for me, only the first one is the one that I really, really enjoy. And the character changes so much across everyone who plays her that you can almost argue you're ranking two different people. We're just ranking one, we're just Angela Baker as a whole. So I think it's worth considering. Where do you think you want to land her?

Sean 7:19

I mean, it's some good points for sure. Like there's there's a a couple of movies in this franchise that most people probably don't like that much, but sleepaway camp, the original, is just really it's it's a good one. So like that that could almost save Angela Baker here. So it is it is a tough one. Uh there's arguments on both ends. I don't think there's any argument to drop her any further than head counselor, but I'm still on the fence. I I'm still on the fence between camp legend and head counselor.

Binx 7:52

I already said what I think. And and the truth of the matter is, it's like, okay, so I as I expected, maybe the more recent ones are, you know, the last two of the of the five, whatnot, aren't that great. But you bring up a good point about some would say that maybe we are judging two different characters. Yeah. To me, it's like the one, the young kid that we're talking about, the quiet kid, that is strong enough. We were just talking Sleepwick Camp. If there were no other movies, I still feel very strongly about the legend that is Angela Baker, like the name, the influence that that movie alone and her character itself has had in horror. It's that's legendary to me. Just saying. And we're starting off strong with this one. We're kicking the game off right to the top.

Sean 8:41

True.

Binx 8:42

Knowing that we can only have two, but I don't know. I feel like it's I get it. It's tough. Maybe we want to reserve our camp legend spots, but I guess let's have a clarifying question here.

Sean 8:53

Can we shift things around as it goes on or is it cemented?

Kris 8:57

I'll let you have a final pass at the end.

Sean 8:59

Okay. Well, I think then I'm kind of with Binks. I think that Angela Baker should be in Camp Legend material.

Binx 9:07

I have a strong feeling that we're not going to change our minds.

Kris 9:11

I would be concerned if Angela Baker wasn't in a camp legend, to be quite fair. Judging you, but I am a little concerned.

unknown 9:20

Exactly.

Kris 9:20

Okay, so listen, first killer in, we're already one down. We've taken 50% of the camp legend spots. And I'm actually now a little bit concerned about who you pick for the second. I mean, it shouldn't be. I thought we should have started with someone else entirely, but here we go. You know, our next killer, we have we will get there. Our next killer, we have Billy Murphy. And Billy Murphy made his debut in the final girls from 2015. Again, we did an episode on this movie, Camp Bloodbath. He has about 16-ish kills, eight of them before the movie even starts. And the thing that really has to set him apart in Sean Binks, I can't recall if either of you are on that episode. This is a killer with look-wise, like an ornate mask. He has a machete, and he actually has a sick musical sting that announces him every time because he in his signature is that he's a slasher who exists inside a slasher movie, and the characters know the rule he has to follow. So there's a meta layer there.

Sean 10:27

Yeah. I don't think we were on that episode, but um definitely a fan of the movie. I think the Final Girls is a is a fun one to watch for sure. It is tough. I always want to say Bill Murray for some reason, but you know, it's okay. I'll get there. I can read. Yeah, it's a tough one. It's a tough one. I think it's definitely not giving Camp Legend for sure, but definitely has some has some pros for sure. That it's just that fun, like you said, that fun meta take on kind of like a Jason type of deal, you know what I mean? It's kind of fun. I like it. I don't know.

Binx 11:06

Unfortunately, I haven't seen this movie, however. Just getting the vibe and the little bit that I do know of the movie and what you've even shared, definitely not Camp Legend status. Can appreciate the meta of it all, and maybe there's like some something to say about the scream similarity to that, but the musical tune to announce himself, and most of those kills happen before the movie really begins. Does that give, you know, does that even give head counselor material? It's given maybe you could have stayed at home, you could have stayed in your other movie, you know?

Kris 11:43

Maybe, maybe. Listen, he is the only killer here who is explicitly a construct of the slasher genre, and you mentioned it, Binx, like almost like the scream element of it. There is a resolution to his fate, and then a comeback to really be both a joke and a thesis on slashers as a whole. So there's a lot to value here, I think, for Billy as a killer. Now he is a commentary on camp slasher and not just camp the place, like camp the thought, camp the vibe. It is a level of camp. If Ryan were here, she'd be like, What the fuck is this guy even doing? But every quality he has was actually designed on purpose, so nothing about him is discovered and really new. He is the product, and he is the sum of all parts of all the camp slashers that came before him. So he's kind of what you get when you study the genre instead of innovating within the genre, if that makes sense.

Binx 12:48

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Well, that being said, that changes things because now I can respect just the the idea and the construct of that character at face value, wasn't really giving much. But I was actually going to ask that question since you you guys seem to have seen it, like it was it the camp of the camp, you know, is is that his whole bit? And it seems like yes. That's the point. Which means, yeah, which to me is all right, now we're talking head counselor material. How are you gonna have you know a full summer camp and not have a counselor that knows the camp?

Sean 13:21

Yeah, it's it's definitely the Final Girls is in is, I think, intentionally simple. It it definitely is like a film that represents every classic camp slasher. Basically, it is basically the generic camp slasher done very, very well with a lot of like the meta kind of involved in it. So it is fun in that regard, and it's a it's a good movie. So yeah, I think Bill Murphy should land in the head counselor material. That's I agree, I think that's where Bill would go.

Kris 13:54

Thanks. Are you aligned?

Binx 13:55

I am shockingly. What a what a twist.

Kris 13:58

Okay, all right, here we go then. Head counselor material. I am so excited to see how this pans out. Okay, next up, we have the man, the myth, the legend, Cropsi. Now, Cropsi debuted in the burning from 1981. First, have you both seen the burning? No, being so you haven't seen the burning.

Sean 14:17

Yes.

Kris 14:17

So Cropsey starts out and actually covers a couple different campgrounds in this movie. There is Camp Blackfoot, which is like the inciting incident for Cropsy, and then Camp Stonewater, where he exacts his revenge. Now, as a look, Cropsi is one hell of a guy. He's for a large portion so good. I think is this what they call looks maxing? Uh listen, Cropsi wears a coat and a hat, and he actually hides his face until the end of the movie. And of course, he's known for uh the garden shears. This is a weapon that he wields with a lot of ferocity. So we even have even the signature moment in the burning, which is the raft scene. Six people dead in about like five seconds. So it is the reason why the film landed on a nasty list. It is this movie is known for the raft scene.

Sean 15:15

For sure. It 100% is the raft massacre alone can earn it's it can earn Cropsy potential legend status, potentially. I don't know. I'm not saying it gets there, not saying it gets there. I'm just saying that raft scene alone is enough grounds to have an argument.

Binx 15:35

I gotta see George Costanza with hair, and I gotta see this raft scene.

Kris 15:39

Yeah, I actually just re-watched The Burning yesterday, and I really enjoyed the time that I had with it. It's more of a slow burn kind of movie. Now, it's just some things to consider. The kills in this movie are fast and they are joyless, they don't linger in a lot of things. There's not a lot of taunting, there's not a lot of theatrics. He comes, he goes, you know, I came, I saw, I conquered is essentially his vibe. But something that is interesting, and Binks, I don't know if you know this, Tom Civini had the opportunity. He did Friday the 13th, the first one. He could have done Friday the 13th, part two, and Tom Savini turned down Friday the 13th, part two specifically so he could do the burning. Nice, and the rap sequence is why he wanted to do the burning, of course. Oh a lot to dig into here, and that's and again, we're not charging like the movie or the characters within the movie, we're talking about just this killer, right? Yeah, for Crossy to pull off the technical execution that is required to pull off that rap scene alone. I mean, I think we could have gotten a lot a lot more burning films, and we would have seen a lot of viciousness from this guy. But that's the downfall, right? Like we have limited exposure to him. He has one movie, one weapon, no franchise. If you ask a hundred people to draw a camp slasher, nobody's drawing Cropsy, it's just not happening.

Sean 17:07

Yeah, well, it's interesting. Like, I think, yes, one movie for sure. That is a maybe a negative aspect in like the legend status of it all. It's but at the same time, it's like one of the greatest campfire legends. It's so good that and you said Tom Savini specifically chose to do this movie over another Friday the 13th, and it was fantastic effects by Tom Savini. Like, you have to see this. And I think actually, I don't know, like maybe I'm just advocating for the movie too much, but I feel like if you ask a lot of like big time, you know, camp slasher 80s horror fans, you're gonna say, like, what's your camp slasher of choice besides Jason? Cropsy might come up quite a bit with those people, so yeah. I'm not saying necessarily legend, because we gotta we gotta keep legend status for like the creme de la creme, you know what I mean? Like the the the people that that really cement that spot, but I think head counselor material for sure.

Kris 18:08

Yeah, I mean here's the thing I want to and I want to be clear on my stance on Cropsy. I value the burning as a campslasher horror movie. I don't know that I like super value like Cropsy as like a number one for me personally, but that being said, what he does within this movie, I mean, I think this is a better Friday the 13th movie than a lot of Friday the 13th movies.

Sean 18:34

Where are we landing with this one? Because I feel I feel he goes into head counselor material for me.

Binx 18:40

I am gonna go off of you guys' good faith because I mean at face value, I would probably be the audience that would tell you if you were to ask 100 people to draw Cropsi, I would not give you anything good. But somehow I probably would still end up drawing Cropsi because he looks like a disaster. He looks like something that if I were to watch the movie, I'll never forget that face. That's literally a nightmare. Tom Savini is a very big sell on this one. You got me. That's a trap card. So I say let's settle him into head counselor material. I think we're starting really high, guys. We're starting really high.

Sean 19:23

Oh, you know, we're starting with big names here.

Binx 19:25

We're starting with big names, apparently. Well, not apparently, yes. So it's just the fact. I'm very scared for what's gonna come next. Well we have to send somebody home.

Kris 19:35

Listen, what's coming next is it only gets bigger from here because it's time to talk to our boy, Jason. Jason Voorhees, it is actual Jason, not catfish Jason. Jason Voorhees, the movie that Tom Savini with Cropsy declined doing prior to the 13th part two is when Jason actually makes his debut. He has a bunch of films. His kill count depends on how you count and what you count as canon. He's had multiple looks throughout his career. He starts with what I actually have as a tattoo on my arm, which is Sackhead Jason, and then evolves into the logo that ends up being the hockey mask. Yeah, you already know Jason, even if you don't know Jason. That is the entire argument about his reputation. And if you want to think about even a signature kill, how can you? Because we all have our favorites with a sleeping bag. I mean, he eventually goes to space. I'm not gonna count a space kill right now, but the sheer creativity that we see from Jason throughout his franchise is undoubtedly notable.

Sean 20:43

Yeah, I mean, the definitive campslasher, really, you know, for really talking about it here.

Binx 20:49

I I mean, well, damn, I kind of teed up that one with we gotta move somebody to home, but it's it's certainly not gonna be this guy. I mean, that would be absurd. The concept of Jason is the creator of the whole genre. I mean, we do have the first movie. He is the fruit of the loins. He's the fruit of the loins, you know. So I know that I've got my thoughts and feelings about this franchise. If I really wanted to be a savage, I could say that most of the movies he doesn't even really hunt out of camp. He's like in space or Manhattan or who knows what and where, you know. So there is that argument, I suppose, but I mean what you guys are are you both wearing Camp Crystal Lake hats right now?

Sean 21:39

Yeah.

Kris 21:40

I actually bought this last year and saved it for this episode.

Binx 21:43

Incredible. There you go.

Kris 21:46

And this shirt too, it's a Camp Crystal Lake shirt. Saved it all for this episode, knowing that we'd have some good shit coming. Listen, Binx, you're not wrong. Jason Voorhees is the reason this episode exists, and someone had to walk before he could run. Every Other killer on this board is measured against him, whether they want to be or not. He is the price of admission. Now, something that I think you're cluing in on here is there are a couple controversial takes, potentially hot takes you can have when it comes to Jason. Some might say he's the least interesting character in his own franchise. Some might say, some might say he's a bombers boy. I'm kidding. I love bombers boys, they're great from others. But Camp Forest Green in part six is the only film in its entire franchise where he's actually hunting a working camp with kids in it. To your point, most of the time, he's at a lake, he's at a house, he's at a barn, he's in Manhattan. Ah, that's not even to say even like the kill count, because you have to determine if you want to go off-screen or not, dream sequences or not. Is the remake and like the reboot, like is that is that something you want to qualify? Depending on where you land, Jason has killed always like over a hundred people, but somewhere as low as like 118 to 171 people and counting because we still have more Friday the 13th and Jason Universe content to come. So yeah, listen, there's a lot here. I'm not saying that I'm changing anyone's mind on where he should be. I know where I think he should be, but I think there's just a lot that you have to honor when it comes to Jason, but also B recognize that there are others in the sub-genre that kind of innovate on top of what he's done.

Sean 23:22

There, yeah. I mean, there are others for sure. There's others to talk about within the franchise. I get it, I totally get it. In the subgenre of the franchise itself, all of that, but it's you know, we're talking about Jason, we're talking about, you know, Jason from Friday the 13th, part two, introduced the iconic, iconic sack head look. I feel like every you know, we we've already like touched on this, but you know, when we're talking about Jason Voorhees, every summer camp slasher owes something to Jason. Every single one of them. It's he owns Camp Crystal Lake. It's whether or not he had a bunch of movies at Camp Crystal Lake, you can't you can't not know Camp Crystal Lake. Like it's still that popular, even though it only you know what I mean, like it's it's still there without part two of Friday the 13th. I feel like the entire subgenre probably doesn't even exist the way we know it.

Binx 24:21

But one that I agree with. Listen, I want to go back to the survey that we just did with with Cropsi. If I were to go ask a hundred people to draw Jason, they could do it with their eyes closed. That's a name that you've probably never even seen the movie, and you know exactly who I'm talking about.

Sean 24:39

100%.

Binx 24:40

I think there's only one answer here.

Sean 24:42

Yeah, you gotta go legend status.

Binx 24:44

There it is. No, legend camp.

Sean 24:47

We're not trying to get canceled status, keeping you on your code.

Kris 24:50

And then at the end, we'll rank within each tier. Don't worry, we'll do that later. Okay, so moving on to our next killer. We're going from Jason to Johnny.

Sean 25:02

Now, Johnny I already know where you all are gonna be with this one.

Kris 25:05

Yeah, don't even just a lot to dissect with Johnny. I'm so glad that I'm letting you all pick this. Johnny uh debuted in Inviolent Nature 2024, Camp White Pine. Now, the thing and and where I was really reserved with Johnny is because it it wasn't really giving camp. It wasn't giving camp in the way that we see like Jason, Angela, etc. But we also have an Inviolent Nature 2 that is definitely taking place in a summer camp uh environment. So there's gonna be more summer camp to come for Johnny. He is uh oh my gosh, he has like eight uh kills that we see approximately on screen, and at least 20 more that are referenced that happened before the movie even starts. Now he does have a great look about him where Jason had the sack head and the hockey mask. He has a right, a rotted like fire mask, and also you spend 90 minutes walking behind him in his back. So you see a lot of his silhouette, you know, is innovative. Yeah, innovative. Yeah, that's a generous term, Sean.

Binx 26:15

That's a choice, that's a choice of a word.

Sean 26:17

I mean, it's a listen, I know this is gonna be a back and forth, and we're gonna have to land on something. You know, he's new, we only have the one movie so far. We have another one coming, but he's already built a reputation because of the kills that we got in that movie. Whether you'd like to, you know, you know, travel along behind him or not, the kills were memorable. So it is still kind of a tough, you know, it's kind of a tough argument here. I think it's it's some of the nastiest kills in modern horror.

Kris 26:48

I'm gonna be honest with you, Sean. I'm not okay. I think you might expect what my opinion is on this, and I I don't think my opinion would match what you think it is of me, but I also want to be clear that I only remember like one kill from that movie, which is insane because I fucking love slashers. But for us to be able to say it's some of the nastiest kills, period, there's one really fucking intense kill. And then I'm like brush up on the rest, you know.

Sean 27:14

That's true. That one stands out the most for sure. If you're trying to remember, yeah.

Binx 27:19

Yeah, because they leaned into that one to get you to try and go to the movie to see it. They trap card you, but the rest, they must have been pretty standard because can't recall a single one other than The Kill. Now, I will say, I suppose that it is kind of new and well-known-ish because it's one of the more recent films that have just come out, and the way that they did this movie making you feel like it was a video game type thing, right? The POV of the killer, sure. But I would argue that this movie is well known because it's so bad and he's so boring. So I can try my best to be very nice and say should have stayed home, but I really think he should be banned from camp. I also want to say, as someone whose name is literally translated into white pine, I feel like I really should be heard, okay? Because it did not feel like a camp me or a camp at all. Maybe the second one, fine, but then we revisit this when the second one comes out. But for right now, I'm talking in a violent nature, or in a violent nature is missing camp, camp, and a good slasher. All three things.

Sean 28:38

That's tough. That's tough. I don't know. I mean, I don't know that he's missing the slasher of it all. The slasher of it all was there, and the camp was there a little bit too. There was the scene where where he's like that they're all coming together and trying to attack him, and you get that different kind of perspective or point of view, and they're like trying to like attack and throw something at him and just bounces off. He's like, Are you fucking idiot? And then he just fucking takes him down. Those are some those are actually some really good moments. But here's the thing: I know there's no way that I'm gonna get anyone to align on anything higher than should have stayed home. So I will settle for should have stayed home, but he is not going in banned from camp.

Binx 29:18

Fine, we'll meet in the middle.

Kris 29:20

Wow, what a healthy compromise. I want to point out that I I also did not think that he needed to be banned from camp, specifically because of the yoga kill and the yoga kill early. Actually, no, his costume design was also pretty solid, and there's one additional scene that I'm gonna.

Sean 29:36

Y'all watch modern horror icon in the making. We'll see.

Kris 29:39

They need to do better, though. They need to do better. There's a lot of the table.

Sean 29:43

We'll see what they do. We'll see. Yeah, we'll see.

Kris 29:46

If it's gonna ring 3.0, I'm I'm not. But let's go and turn our attention to the next one, which I don't know if you've seen this movie. I have not, but I have respect for those who have nominated this and drawn our attention to this character. Mad Men Mars. I started Mad Me in 1981. His stomping grounds are the North Sea cottages. He has seven kills, which is pretty low on the board, but he is really a hulking backwoods thing with long nails and an axe, and he feels more monster than man.

Sean 30:21

And to my understanding, yeah, this guy. Okay.

Kris 30:24

Okay, so you know this guy. Great. Yeah.

Sean 30:26

He looks like a weird mountain man troll thing.

Kris 30:30

Yeah, yeah. To my understanding, there's a specific kill with the hood of the truck, and there's someone underneath the hood, and he lands on top of it. So just imagine, let your brain explore what those two things can do together. Sounds pretty fucked up.

Sean 30:45

It does sound pretty fucked up for sure. Yeah, I mean, doesn't really have you know Jason's popularity for sure, but I think, you know, this this movie probably it probably nails the atmosphere of it all. And come on, North Sea Cottages, so cool, man. It sounds like a it sounds different, you know? Sounds refreshing.

Binx 31:08

He sounds more of like a like a folklore thing, though.

Sean 31:12

Exactly. He's literally a campfire legend.

Kris 31:15

Yeah, I'm glad you brought this up because he was originally ideated and conceptualized to be Cropsy, but then the burning beat them to it.

Sean 31:26

Ooh. Interesting. That is that I did not know. That is interesting. Okay. Okay.

Binx 31:34

Damn. That's kind of a shame. So, like we put Crop C high up, but this is the real OG in a way. A similar time. Similar time. Similar time.

Kris 31:43

They're doing things.

Binx 31:44

Kind of like yeah, like critters and gremlins.

Kris 31:47

Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. This is actually a really great comparison. The critter to get gremlin pipeline.

unknown 31:53

Yeah.

Kris 31:53

Thank you.

Sean 31:54

Yeah.

Binx 31:54

But I mean, seven kills though, that's pretty low.

Sean 31:58

Well, you know, it's one movie. You know, the average kill count in a lot of movies is somewhere in that eight range, you know. You don't always get a lot. You know, there's there's some Friday the 13th where we don't get more than that, you know.

Binx 32:12

So That's fair.

Sean 32:14

It is possible.

Binx 32:15

I'm leaning towards should've stayed home, to be honest with you. And here's why. I don't I don't feel the head counselor material, the infamy of this character, but I don't think they should be banned from camp when they literally are a campfire story in a way, right? So, like, should have stayed home. Maybe you get brought out every now and then, once every couple summers, you know, but I'm not very passionate about them to be a head counselor.

Sean 32:46

It is tough. I don't know. Madman Mars, exactly he's like exactly the kind of story counselors tell campers to keep them in their cabins, you know what I mean? It's that it's this kind of it's this kind of guy.

SPEAKER_01 32:58

But is he the guy?

Sean 33:00

He's you know, I mean, he's got a presence. He's got a presence. It's a tough one for sure. I, you know, admittedly, it's not like the one thing I'm gonna be recommending anytime I'm trying to build a list. It might be on the it might if I had to put like more than five, I don't know. That's tough. Yeah. We could, I think there's argument for head counselor material, but we have still a lot of movies to go over. So maybe maybe he lands and should have stayed home for now. Maybe we'll read it. I'm with you.

Binx 33:30

I get what you mean. I'm with you. I it doesn't feel a thousand percent right like it did.

Sean 33:36

I feel like some of the people listening are gonna say head counselor material.

Binx 33:39

That's fair. Maybe we'll change our minds.

Kris 33:41

Yeah, well, don't worry because our listeners are also gonna be able to make their own tier list and share that back with them.

Sean 33:46

Let's see how close we get.

Kris 33:49

Now, next up on our list is the woman who pioneered the summer camp slasher genre. And this is where we really need to give flowers where they're due. Because we have Pamela Voorhees, the original antagonist on Friday the 13th, 1980, Camp Crystal Lake, nine kills are her name. She rocked a blue sweater in a smile, a motherly disposition, and it is a disguise that works for 80 minutes. Her whole signature is the reveal itself, everything about the Friday the 13th franchise and what is in its DNA straight line back to Pamela Voorhees. She is the twist before Summer Camp Slashers had twists. Pamela's son drowned because counselors weren't watching, and every single thing she does is a consequence of that. She started all of it. I mean, granted, she's only on screen for about 13 minutes in her film, but it's a 13 minutes of screen time that launched a 12-film franchise, a hockey mask this episode, and a Crystal Lake series that's coming out in October.

Sean 35:03

So do what you will. Yeah, she started it all technically. She did start it all. One of Horror is greatest twist villains.

Binx 35:11

That's another plot twist that'll knock you off your ass if you've never. I mean, there's gotta be people that still haven't seen it, but you have to be behind her too.

Sean 35:20

Like you can't like not, you know, reason with that, you know. I mean, to an extent, but you know.

Binx 35:27

No, of course. I'm with you. I'm with you on that. It's actually turns out a villain that, as Chris said, like a motive that you can kind of make sense of and understand. Oh boy.

Sean 35:39

Yeah, I knew this was gonna be tough. I knew it was gonna be tough to to because, like, can we have even both you know, Pamela and her son in Camp Legend? You know what I mean? Like, is there room enough for the entire Voorhees family here? I don't know.

Binx 35:55

I feel like I still stand behind what we've got for Camp Legend. Yeah, truthfully, and although she is the mother that birthed such a thing, the son is what carried on the legend.

Sean 36:07

It's true. Would this have would this franchise have become what it is if we didn't shift to Jason? Maybe we may never know, but I don't know if we would have gotten this far without the icon of Jason, the mask, the direction that it went in, the backstory, you know, the trauma of it all.

Kris 36:27

Let's also pause to remember that Pamela Voorhees was a critical part of Friday the 13th part two, and has reappeared over the years in these films.

Sean 36:37

She has. She has. She, but she she became part of the story that enhances Jason's story, you know what I mean? Like it it shifted from just like her revenge to like now she's kind of like fueling Jason's undeadness, and being exploited by Freddie Krueger. Yeah, that is true for sure.

Kris 36:59

The thing that you had to consider here is is there a Jason without Pamela? And is there a Pamela without Jason? And they're not mutually exclusive, like they go hand in hand. You cannot have one without the other. They're a package deal. Because if you have Jason without Pamela, then you have Michael Myers' part of who Jason is as a character is so intrinsically tied to being this sympathetic character, this kid who drowned, and a mother's love and a mother's quest and thirst for vengeance and punishment is really what's carried him through.

Sean 37:34

Yes, that is true. She's only, you know, really killed in in one movie's worth of counselors, but she did launch an entire franchise. But the question also is like, how many people when you rate the whole Friday the 13th franchise are picking Friday the 13th as the number one pick?

Binx 37:53

Me. People is me. I myself and I. But I'm not a lot of people, but I certainly am not the I don't know if it's a lot of people, if I'm a lot of people, because we know my feelings. I'm actually gonna make a point where it's gonna be crazy. But I actually feel like there is a Friday the 13th franchise. If we were to tell a story where a sympathetic kid who drowns came back, and yes, there is this level of vengeance that is instilled because of the mom, but again, that's one movie out of 12.

Kris 38:30

Yeah.

Binx 38:31

Right. Like I think that the scales here do actually tip in terms of what is more likely to have actually occurred. A franchise of just a mom seeking revenge 12 movies out, there's no way it wouldn't have been a long. But like we could have been without Friday the 13th, the first one, and still had 11 movies. Yeah. And to your point, Chris, yeah, it just would have been another Michael Myers. But guess what? Is Mike Michael Myers not one of the most famous slashers' icons in history? Absolutely.

Kris 38:58

So but you have to distinguish yourself from that because remember, Friday the 13th, like part of what made that movie work was them originally saying, Oh, we just gotta take Halloween and reverse engineer it and make some money off of it. And then them introducing Pamela Vorkies was the distinguishment and the differentiator there. Because if they did make another Michael Myers, he never would have taken off. Like, you can't put Jason without Pamela as he was in that movie, it never would have been as successful.

Binx 39:28

She needed to be the springboard. But when we're talking about the seventh, the sixth, the fifth, the 11th movie, to be honest with you, I'm definitely forgetting that he is a sympathetic character that I'm forgetting the whole even lore to him and the Pamela of it all. She does reoccur throughout the franchise, sure, but I feel like the aura that is Jason shifts as the franchise moves along and that whole archetype of him gets a little bit smaller in the pie that makes him up. So that's why I feel like she's more head counselor material.

Kris 40:04

Yeah.

Binx 40:04

The top of the head counselor material. You know, like I started this camp, but I've actually retired, and now I'm just a teacher at the camp. I'm trying to lay back the teacher at the camp pension.

Sean 40:16

Yeah. Oh man, the not the pension. I mean, yeah. I mean, if you could if you could slide her into the first slot of head counselor.

Kris 40:25

Don't worry, we're gonna slide her over in just a moment. But before we do, we want to finish out the rest of these here. I want to move on now to another Jason that you see on the screen, but this is catfish Jason. There's a case to be made here.

unknown 40:40

Okay.

Kris 40:41

Roy Burns, Friday the 13th, a new beginning, 1985, from Pinehurst.

Sean 40:46

The wrong beginning.

Kris 40:47

17 kills.

Sean 40:49

Lots of kills.

Kris 40:50

He dons the hockey mask. He has the blue chevrons instead of the red. That is the tell. Nobody really catches it until it was later revealed. He ends up being revealed as the paramedic who had about 60 seconds of screen time before the mask ever came off. So you see him earlier in the movie. But let's really zero in on this because 17 kills is more than Pamela Voorhees, more than Cropsy, more than Madman Mars, and more than Jason himself in his debut film. Whatever you think of the reveal, he outwork most of the people on this board. And his motive is the same one that made Pamela work. A dead kid nobody protected. A dead kid that nobody cared about. Now, granted, he is a catfish, he's a fake, he's a phony, he's baloney. The film is at it is built honestly as bait and switch, and the audience hated it enough that Paramount brought Jason back the very next year. Pinehurst is also a halfway house on a camp, so he like barely clears the gate at all. But I think Roy Burns needs a little more respect on his name than maybe he initially gets.

Sean 41:57

I get it. He's not a bad killer, he's just the guy who had the impossible job of replacing Jason, and I think that's where it goes wrong. Tons of kills for sure, but some good kills. You know what I mean? I think that's the the separator there. Like lots of kills, high kill count, but only some are good. You know, it's it's it's a tough one. You're just forever living in Jason's shadow as trying to be a killer in the franchise, and it's the franchise's most controversial killer. So I'm not saying it's a bad thing by any means, but here's the thing you're technically employed, but HR has concerns here. I think this for me, we have to make some tough decisions here. We've talked about a couple things in this in this franchise, let alone summer camp slashers as a whole. You could put this in should have stayed home. You could also argue banned from camp on this one, to be honest with you.

Binx 42:53

I would have thought that we had this one in the back. But I I guess there are some cases here. 17 kills is a lot, especially when you outdo the king. In the second movie, though, at the end of the day, a phony's a phony. All right. At the end of the day, he ain't the real deal. Do we really want fakers in this camp? I'm just saying He did kill people. I mean, he co-opted, he co-opted the look.

Sean 43:18

He's a little killer.

Binx 43:19

Let's like completely. I'm not talking homages. I'm talking actually and factually.

Sean 43:24

You can put I mean you can argue should have stayed home just for the you know the kills, I guess. All right, but it ain't going higher than that. There's no way.

Binx 43:33

No, no, no, no, no, no.

Sean 43:35

He's lucky. He lucked out here.

Binx 43:37

He's lucky. He one wrong move, buddy.

Sean 43:41

I guess you know, the other thing is it's really hard. What movie or what killer deserves to be banned from camp? That's the question, folks. We need to figure out who is gonna be banned from camp here, and that's why part of this is just the journey in itself, and that's why I'm not reordering things since.

Kris 44:00

As we start to go rink within each, you may want to reconsider some things. Now, our next person here is the Camp Pineway Killer. Now, you may see and you may hear a lot of pine in these titles. But this is from the film Hell of a Summer from 2025. You know it has been Wolf Hard's directorial debut. This killer rocks a devil mask and a trench coat. And even the opening moments present a hell of a kill. A guitar shoved into the camp owner's mouth before a single counselor has arrived. Now, this is the most recent entry and it's the freshest in our memory. The devil mask is genuinely good design in a decade that really hasn't produced a ton beyond in a violent nature and Johnny's mask. Yeah. Now a case against it. I think the killer's kind of weak. Now I'm not saying the masked killer. I want to throw it back to uh Scream. And when we did the episode where it obviously takes place in New York, I thought best masked ghost face, worst unmasked ghost face. And I think that is the case here, at least from my perspective. Yeah. There's also a secondary killer. And listen, when you need a coworker, I don't think you're a legend unless you're ghost face.

Sean 45:19

True. I mean, you're making some good points here. It's the tough thing, right? Like it is a recent entry in the genre, just hasn't had enough time to become like truly memorable, I think. I think if you ask, you ask me in a few years, maybe, maybe it simmers a little longer. Maybe we get another installment at some point. I don't know. It fits the genre well for sure. It's entertaining, the Pineway killer of it all. Hell of a summer. We love it. It's I just think it probably should have stayed home material right now. I don't think it's earned itself anything more than that yet, but that's my thoughts.

Binx 45:54

Yeah, I'm with you. I actually enjoy the movie, but it's not one that I'm like coming across first in mind when I think of camp slashers. The killer specifically, I mean. And you bring up a good point. I mean, really, it's two of them, and are they really super strong? The motives there were very scream. You know, that that's the thing, is that the setting is great, and I liked the camp element. I think it does it well. But in reality, on paper, this is giving more of a high school slasher or a scream of it all, right? And and I think I'm still leaning in in that direction for this. Like, this is not really giving full camp just yet. It needs to simmer a bit more, it needs to cook. So I think it needs to be home to do that. Uh, it's not banned from camp. I again, I don't think this is a banned from camp contender because it's it's a good camp movie and it's got it's got some good entertainment and the vibe for it, but the killer themselves, it's not it yet. It's just not it.

Sean 47:06

I feel like we're gonna end up with one in Banned from Camp, and I have a feeling of who it's gonna be.

Kris 47:10

Oh, I can't wait to see who that is. Listen, I think this is a movie where if you're looking at the movie itself or the protagonists in the movie and the great comedy that's in that movie, this tier list would obviously rank higher. But I think to appreciate a killer for who they are and what they bring. I think this is well placed. Now, our next contender here is again a movie that I haven't personally seen, but I was really excited to hear about because when we think about summer camp slashers, uh, the theater kid community, big fans of Stage Fright from 2014, which is a musical theater camp. This is the center stage killer. Uh uh apparently he also screams metal over his own kills. The soundtrack is diegetic, there's no signature weapon by design. He uses whatever the theater produces, whatever the theater gives him. And uh exactly, and that means that every kill is specific to the setting instead of a machete in a different room. So I think that is an interesting angle here. Uh so uh a very small body count from what I can gather, about four confirmed kills. I can't wait to watch this movie and dive more into it later this year. But he he does score his own kills, which I think is an important thing to note. This is either the best gimmick and the best bit on this board, or the reason he's getting banned.

Sean 48:34

Yeah, it's an interesting one. Buddy Swanson with great costume for sure. The I feel like the owl mask is super memorable, but the killer is not quite that iconic.

Binx 48:47

I listen, I'm all for theater camp, shockingly, maybe to some. But I'm not hearing like camp though. To me, theater camp that that could be during the winter, that could be at any point in time, that could be an episode of glee at this rate. Like, I'm not hearing the same kind of camp that we've been talking about and just die describing. And I I cannot believe that he screams metal over his own kills. I am so afraid of the secondhand cringe that that must sound like I'm terrified.

Kris 49:23

I want to point out for just a moment, because I think this is the perfect place to interject. You may notice that missing from this list is the killer from they slash them. Because I was camp and I'm not honoring it.

Binx 49:35

Okay, no, right. Fair enough. Absolutely fair enough. Okay, I you know that's so crazy that you said that. I actually did have that thought. I was like, where the fuck's Kevin Bacon? But but I love our principles and I stand behind that. So that would have been a ban from camp either way. So good for that.

Kris 49:53

I pre-banned.

Binx 49:54

Pre-banned. Yeah, I don't know though. This is not leaving me feel inspired that they should have even stayed home. This is giving you're at the wrong camp.

Sean 50:05

It's a tough one, it's a fun concept for sure. Does the movie fully capitalize on this killer? Is this killer quite in that space? You know what I mean? Like has it left its mark fully on the genre? I don't know. It definitely can be banned from camp. This could qualify as our first banned camp.

Binx 50:23

I think it needs to be.

Sean 50:24

It wasn't initially the one I was thinking of, though. So man, it's interesting.

Binx 50:27

No, I I I I think maybe let's see. I I do have a guess, but Bann from Camp, Bann from Camp. Could you imagine?

Sean 50:35

Yeah, I guess Bann from Camp fits. I mean, it just I don't know. Maybe I'm crazy. I don't know.

Binx 50:39

No, no, no. I look, I like the theory and the concept. This sounds like a movie that maybe I would, you know, fuck with. It's just that I might die from the cringe, but it doesn't feel like it's exclusive to actual camp. You could say that this is just a theater class that's going through this experience, and I would believe you. Did that make sense? Like, I don't really feel camp here. It's not even giving like camp rock, it's just theater class. I don't know. Maybe it's my naivete that I don't really quite know this movie, but I'm going off of the vibes, I'm going off of the look. None of that tells me camp.

Kris 51:16

Okay, so here's what I think we're gonna have to do. Our homework assignment before we do our summer ween bonfire is going to have to be watching stage fright and then reassessing if Buddy gets banned, then we need to lock in the banning. You know what I mean? We have a moment to reassess because he wasn't even originally on my radar. He is someone who got recommended by our community, is like, oh yeah, summer camp. Like, absolutely, it's stage fright.

Sean 51:41

Well, yeah, it makes sense. It's a it's a camp movie, you know.

Kris 51:44

Yeah, you know, representation for the theater kids. I should have been a theater, sure. I was not, I lacked the confidence, and I want to honor your confidence in Buddy. Okay, so next up, second to last killer here, we have the cheerleader camp killer. Now, this is from Cheerleader Camp 1988, Camp Hurrah. There's nine kills. The killer is a cheerleading mascot. That's it, that's the bit, that's the costume. And what is significant is the last shot of the movie, not unlike Angela Baker. Yeah, the killer is seen in uniform cheering at dawn while their best friend is driven away in the back of a police car because the killer gets away with it.

Sean 52:22

It's a decent reveal for sure.

Kris 52:25

I mean, apparently, some say the movie's bad, the reveal is visible about 40 minutes away from the ending. There's no consequences in this movie, and we get the last shot of the movie. But I mean, listen, what what's a fun 80 slasher without a little bit of comeuppance?

Sean 52:43

For sure. I mean, listen, there's a lot of 80 slashers out there that, you know, are either, you know, really good or they're really fun, or they're really good and really fun, or maybe they're just like kind of filler material, maybe they're just decent enough. And I think this one is kind of in that realm. It doesn't really stand out to me. Cheerleader Camp doesn't stand out to me as like it doesn't stand out among other camp slashers, especially ones that we've talked about. I think it's perfectly a serviceable movie for this for this genre. Like if you're gonna build a a list of movies to watch, I'm sure this will land in there at some point. But it's not, I don't think it's I don't think the killer here is someone horror fans talk about all that much.

Binx 53:25

I just feel like if I had those thoughts, you know, and in my stance on the theater camp of it all for stage fright, I don't know how I would be able to walk that back for cheerleader camp. You know what I mean? I I gotta I personally feel like I have to hold them somewhat at the same level in terms of is this actual camp or is this just I'm spending my summer at my extracurricular activity type feel. I mean, this actually does sound pretty interesting though. I I do like the plot twist of it all. It's giving a bit thriller, but I guess bad. I'm curious about it.

Sean 54:01

It's a fun slasher for sure. It's just not quite at the right level of like some of these ones that we're talking about, you know, when we when we think of, you know, sleep away camps and Friday the 13th and the burning and things like that. I I think it's I think it's in the realm of should have stayed home. I think that's where it probably should land. I don't think it's a ban from camp movie. I just think, you know, it just doesn't, it doesn't stand out to be in the top or in a top tier.

Binx 54:26

I'm leaning towards ban from camp, but I mean, I'll trust ya. I don't know. I'll trust ya.

Kris 54:32

We can reassess, so don't worry. Our last killer here is the one and only Tommy Slater from Fear Street 1978. And Tommy Slater, if you don't know, is the camp nightwing killer. A body count of 12. He rocks a sack over his head, not unlike Jason Voorhees in Friday the 13th part two. And he also has an axe. Again, a deliberate reference. What's unique about him is that most of his victims are children. That is rare on a board where we're comparing summer camp slashers. And his kills against kids are not played for fun, they are fucked up. And it is it is hard to watch. It is not something I enjoyed watching. Really good movie, difficult to see, and he was brutal. He is, I think, the best, he has the the best executed camp massacre of the streaming era, hands down. It commits to the 1978 era completely instead of just winking at it, instead of nodding and nudging at it. Obviously, we have our direct callback to Jason with a sackhead. And he again is the sum of all those who came before him. Yeah, the thing about Tommy is that he's not really doing any of it, he's a vessel, he's possessed, he is he is uh afflicted by the witch's curse. His soul got sold without him even knowing. So, do you still give him full credit for that?

Sean 56:04

I think it's great, though. I think it's like this added layer that you don't always see. I mean, to be fair, like, okay, yes, you're being controlled in some way by this witch, but also to be fair, in a sense, Jason Voorhees is in a sense also kind of being controlled by his mother in some way, psychologically. So it's not that far off, it's just a different take, a different kind of telling of that. And I think Tommy Slater, Fear Street Part 2. Well, Fear Street as a whole gave us one of the coolest new camp killers in years. Let's just be honest. So, Tommy Slater, really good. If we're putting this in the mix, it's effective, intimidating, probably one of the better modern mass slashers, really great visual design. I think there's not a lot of bad arguments here. Fear Street was such a fun little three-part dealio, and it was very uh very cool to go through different different like eras and intertwine those stories, and this being a standout for me, it's pretty easy, but I'm curious, Binks, what your thoughts are.

Binx 57:12

No, I'm with you. I actually was super excited to see that he was on here because he's pretty gnarly, man. Talk about fuck them kids. It's crazy. I've I feel like this is a really good, more modern day camp slasher movie and character. I really don't think that the fact that he's being possessed is a deterrent for him being a head counselor personally. I think he's very much head counselor material. Yeah, I think the movie itself revitalized like horror on the streaming platforms. I mean, God, we were at a tough time during quarantine, you know. There's that too. So I feel like we were dying to get at summer camp and just kind of feel some kind of joy again. And well, there was some chaos with this movie and what he did, but I don't know. I feel like this is a really memorable one. Him as a character, just like the way that his kill were happening. Oh gosh, it's all just so brutal.

Kris 58:10

I want to point out for a moment, as we look back on the rest of our list, we have Jason who was a camper, we have Pamela who worked on the campgrounds. I believe she was a cook. We have Cropsy, who worked on the campgrounds but was not a counselor. We have Angela, who in the first film is a camper, who then becomes a counselor later. But this is for Tommy, the only time we really see him is he is in full counselor mode. He is in full I am loved by everyone mode. He has a great relationship with his girlfriend Cindy Berman. And when we spend so much time with him as a counselor and just as a person in this space to then see how vicious he becomes, I think it's also a unique angle versus some of the other campers that we've seen on here.

Sean 59:04

Yeah. I mean, it's for me, it's easy. It's head counselor material for sure. That's where it has to be.

Kris 59:10

I'm with you. Okay, so we have our list. Now, so far, uh going home, we have banned from camp. The actually was probably the be the band camp kid. It would be the center stage killer. Then we have in camp legends, we have Angela Baker and we have Jason Voorhees. Now, what we will do is go tier by tier and organize within the tier to validate and confirm that we also have the right structure here. So let's start with our Camp Legends. Do we think Angela is more or less legendary? This is like a silly question than Jason Voorhees.

Sean 59:49

No, I think Jason slides to the front.

Kris 59:51

Yeah, perfect. Now, looking here at head counselor material, of course, we know that according to you, Pamela Voorhees leads up front. But then where do you rank Billy, Cropsy, and Tommy?

Binx 1:00:05

Hear me out. I think that Tommy should be next. Again, recency bias, sure, but I do feel like Fierce Street is something that people talk about. It's again a little bit more recency, but really landed the the camp vibe. And and like you said, he is the counselor, the actual counselor. I feel like there's something to it.

Sean 1:00:26

I mean, it's a good argument. It's definitely for me, it would be between Tommy and Cropsy, but I'll that's fine. We can put Tommy there. That's that feels okay.

Binx 1:00:35

But then I I am with you about having Cropsy next to me.

Sean 1:00:37

Yeah, but I think Cropsy would have to be next if not. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kris 1:00:41

Do we still feel Billy is well placed in this tier by comparison?

Binx 1:00:46

Yeah. Yeah, I'd say so. Body count's still kind of high. Still feel like again, the campaign commentary on the actual camp. It deserves its place there.

Kris 1:00:56

All right. Now going in, uh, the people who should have packed their bags and gone home. We have Johnny, Memembars, Roy, and we have the Camp Pine Way Killer, and then we have Cheerleader Camp. How do we feel about our order?

Sean 1:01:08

Well, I'm sure y'all probably want Johnny last. Johnny somewhere towards the end there. I think we should be up at the front, but you know.

Binx 1:01:17

I actually would have thought that we would want Madman Mars first, just because he is the legend that is told at the camp.

Sean 1:01:24

You know, like I probably would put Mad Men before Johnny. And then Johnny next for me, but yeah, and then the rest of the we should put we should put Roy a little bit further back there.

Binx 1:01:34

All right, no, am I a hater?

Sean 1:01:37

I think the order is good, and then it's just like now we have to.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:40

I just feel like we really we really do feel like the I think I think you're onto something though, Binx.

Sean 1:01:47

I think that Corey Foster from Cheerleader Camp could have a banned from camp argument. Wait. Technically, the reveal isn't particularly that memorable. The kills are fairly standard. I think the movie itself has become maybe more of just like a maybe a cult curiosity more than a classic. So I maybe that actually joins, you know, stage fright there. Just drop that one down.

Binx 1:02:13

Yeah, just take a look at it. I don't know, like that. Like that, I think is good.

Sean 1:02:18

Maybe. Yeah, I don't know. Somebody might hate us for that order, but that's fine.

Binx 1:02:21

Yeah, maybe that's fine.

Sean 1:02:22

I think the order feels good now.

Binx 1:02:24

Looking at it, that just looks right to me. That looks like it makes it a little too even.

Sean 1:02:28

It's like 2442. It's very strange.

Binx 1:02:31

Well, we're Virgos and type A. What do you want from us, you know?

Kris 1:02:35

And a Capricorn, two Virgos. It does look good. It does look good.

Binx 1:02:39

And uh uh Capricorn is facilitating. Listen, this is just it was only meant to be.

Kris 1:02:44

It's giving we like summer activities, but we don't respect different types of camp.

Binx 1:02:48

Which is crazy. Hold on, hold on, because this is a perfect opportunity for me to make a disclaimer. As someone who went to art camp, to theater camp, by the way, I was the person that would go to the extracurricular activity camps. I went to cheerleading camp as well and dance camp and all the things. But guys, I mean, take a look at the bulk of what we've talked about. It's general summer camp.

Sean 1:03:13

Yeah.

Binx 1:03:13

So could you, you know, like this is just not that camp.

Sean 1:03:17

Do they even have general summer camps anymore? That's no. Can you even like send your kids off to camp anymore?

Kris 1:03:23

We can also go to adult summer camp.

Sean 1:03:25

Oh my gosh.

Kris 1:03:26

Is that really a thing? It's really a thing.

Sean 1:03:28

Yeah, isn't that just camping?

Kris 1:03:29

Yeah, but it's like a word when you get drunk.

Sean 1:03:33

Yeah.

Kris 1:03:33

Really? I'm Googling this.

Sean 1:03:35

Rent a camp out.

Kris 1:03:36

I personally would love this. And here's what I really want to do for us. I want to tell you what I want to manifest here. The actual location where the original Friday the 13th is filmed.

Sean 1:03:45

I know we talked about this.

Kris 1:03:47

Does tours, they do night tours and they do sleepaway camps.

Sean 1:03:50

That's cool.

Kris 1:03:51

And I would love for us to do that.

Binx 1:03:53

That sounds really fun. And there is actually a Florida adult summer camp. It's called Camp No Counselors. It's an all-inclusive premium adult summer camp experience in Florida.

Sean 1:04:07

Oh wow, that's cool.

Kris 1:04:08

Yeah, it's like something once and it ended up not flushing out very well. So we'll have to do some more digging. I think it was actually in hell of a summer or or in a violent nature or in Fear Street. One of those three recent movies that we did an episode on, I looked up adult camps in our B side. So we'll have to revisit that.

Sean 1:04:28

Interesting. Wait, so does this like does this camp crystal lake thing? How many people does this host?

Kris 1:04:35

You can do a small group or you can do a big group.

Sean 1:04:38

Man, because that would actually be like if we were ever gonna do another meetup. That would be the meetup with a live show there.

Kris 1:04:46

Damn. Yeah, could you imagine? And we just do like a a re a review of a Friday the 13th movie.

Sean 1:04:52

Yeah, because I'm sure you can watch the movie there too. I'm sure. I'm sure they have that set up. Yeah.

Kris 1:04:58

Yeah, they do. I think they're actually doing one this year on the Friday the 13th of November.

Sean 1:05:02

Nice.

Kris 1:05:03

There's a lot to dig into here. So we're gonna live our best camp lives, and we're gonna look forward and see when we can be our own camp counselors. But for now, there you have it, folks. That's our ranking of the summer camp slashers, and and now it's your turn. We've included a link to our cheer list in the episode description. So please go build your own. Tell us what we got right, tell us what we got wrong, and give us your top two camp legends.

Sean 1:05:28

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