Annabelle (2014)

Movie Introduction

Kris 0:03

Think she's a DLC cosmetic that got downloaded by Satan. When the Conjuring introduced us to the Warren's collection of haunted objects, one doll made enough of an impression to get a movie of her own. Newline handed the story to screenwriter Gary Doberman and director John R. Leonetti, who had shot the Conjuring for James Juan. Leonetti brought Creepy Doll Experience to the table, particularly as he'd already worked behind the camera for Child's Play 3 and Dead Silence. This time, though, the story follows a young couple preparing for their first child. The husband buys his wife a vintage doll for her collection, but after a violent attack inside their home, strange events begin to follow the family. Leonetti drew inspiration from Rosemary's baby, bringing together pregnancy, domestic life, and the fear that something has found its way into the place you're supposed to feel safest. The studio turned it around in less than a year. Audiences turned it into a roughly $257 million hit, and the Warden's collection officially became a franchise. This week we're talking about Annabelle.

Spoiler-free Discussion

Sean 1:21

When you hear it, you're gonna think we are insane. You're tuning in to Annabelle, but if you support the show, you'll also get to hear our B-side at the end of this episode where we get into the horrifying truth surrounding the real Annabelle.

Kris 1:35

I can't wait to dive into that one. But before we get there, Sean, had you seen this one before?

Sean 1:40

I have seen this one before, but probably not in the last 10 years.

Kris 1:45

You know, Sean, I've literally never seen this movie before. No way. I've never seen it because I had never seen all the conjuring movies until we started covering them in order for the podcast. So that's a start. I saw The Conjuring, and I saw Annabelle Creation because within the first year of the podcast, we had like a brief three-month hiatus. And when we brought it back, one of my original co-hosts wanted to pick a movie, and she picked Annabelle Creation. And I have had a chip on my shoulder about Annabelle ever since because I was not a fan of that movie. I thought it was really pretty and also pretty superficial. Nothing really clicked or worked for me. It felt like it was good looking without being super interesting. So my expectations for Annabelle as a whole just have never been really high.

Sean 2:31

And that's exactly what I would have asked you, not knowing if you've seen any of the Annabelle installments in this franchise, because you know, that's the whole thing is when we start to get these branch-offs of this franchise separating from the conjuring, direct conjuring kind of series that we get, the question becomes is this something that can live up to the potential of the doll that was introduced in the conjuring? You know, but you've already seen Annabelle Creation, didn't like that one. So it's going to be interesting to see how that compares with this one.

Kris 3:02

Yeah, it is tough. And I mean, I also want you to remember what we got of Annabelle the last time we saw her in the last conjuring movie. For some reason, I've had it in my head that Annabelle is a suit g silly goose, you know, a silly goofy little girl who's just out here doing silly goofy things. But I will say I was very open to this being a good movie, knowing that it was a box office hit, knowing that it quickly followed on the heels of the conjuring. So this felt like it was still an early conjuring days. And I walked into this, although not expecting to love it. I walked into it with an open mind, expecting to be able to respect it. And I gotta say, immediately I love the approach and the angle that this movie takes. I had to refresh myself on the plot of Annabelle Creation because I know that it it leads in to this one directly. Although this is a prequel to The Conjuring, and Annabelle Creation is a prequel to this, so it's a prequel to a prequel. I had to wrap my head around it, but it made it so much more satisfying now watching this movie. I started at the beginning chronologically, and in some franchises, Sean, that works. You could technically watch all the Star Wars movie in chronological order, not in order of release. Yeah, you can it may be a different experience for you, but you can do it. I wouldn't recommend it for Annabelle. I have not liked the experience so far.

Sean 4:33

Here's the thing with Annabelle: it's a creepy ass doll, first of all. I mean, way creepier than the real Annabelle, right? So it's definitely got the look. And in the conjuring, it felt like a really creepy doll. It has this like just uneasiness to it. Get that fucking doll out of my house reaction when you're watching it. Annabelle has a face that makes you uncomfortable before she even does anything. So you feel a constant sense of dread just seeing her sitting in the background. Why would anyone want a doll like this in their house? I have no idea. But one of the things that I think that this movie does is it plays on the fear of being alone in a room, looking down a dark hallway, just the sense of someone nearby when nobody should be there or is there, the stillness, the anticipation, it can definitely be effective or more effective rather than what eventually appears.

Kris 5:30

There's a lot that this movie does really, really well. And I need to preface this. The biggest thing that I felt watching this movie, and then after watching this movie, is fuck. I really wish I had just watched it when it came out. This was my last year in the military. I was just going through a lot of medical treatment, so like I wasn't even really like connected to movies that were coming out at the time. I really wish I had seen it then because what I found was that this was a very well-constructed movie. There's a lot of shots that linger in really uncomfortable ways. But the problem is that I have seen a lot of movies that came after it, so it wasn't hard to recognize where a scare was heading before it ever happened. I could appreciate the execution technically, but I was never affected by this movie apart from a couple specific moments, and it involves a sewing machine. And I had to like just pull my headphone out of my ear, and I just knew that it wasn't gonna be a good moment, particularly because I just grew up afraid of sewing machines. My mom had one all the time, and I was so sure that there'd just be blood gushing at any moment. But that was really it. It was my personal experience projected onto the movie that actually made it uncomfortable, not because I think there were a lot of innovative scares in here. It's not to say they were bad, it's just damn, I wish I hadn't seen everything that came after it.

Sean 6:54

Yeah, but also this film plays on a very familiar formula for scares and jump scares. So I feel like any of the more seasoned horror fans will start to pick up on things and predict when the scares are coming. So for me, this movie becomes very it's audible scary, right? It's like the loud versus scary. Like, what is it? Is it the is it the sound that's trying to get you? Because on screen, it's not doing a whole lot.

Kris 7:24

The sound does do it. It makes it very uncomfortable, it makes it very unsettling. But one of the things that I appreciate most about this movie are the performances that we get and and really just from some of our central characters. Mia as a character is someone that I absolutely was captivated by. One, her style being emulated from like Grace Kelly. Two, a lot of the emotion and the power that we get from her performance, and even John, her husband, as an opposite to her, he has classic shitty horror husband or horror dad energy, but also redeems himself in a lot of moments, so he's not just one-dimensional and one flat note. There's a lot of there's a lot of the human touch in this movie that I really appreciated a lot, especially with the music choices that we get. Sean, I'm a fucking lover of the oldies. I love moo music from the 50s, 60s, 70s. So when the song Cherish starts to play on a turntable, I was like, oh yeah, this is my shit. This is it.

Sean 8:29

The soundtrack to the movie, the song choices, the atmosphere, and the setting as a whole. Just the late 1960s setting, the dim apartment corridors, the basement spaces, the confined rooms, they just give you a really good old school claustrophobic kind of quality to them. It adds to the vibe of the movie for sure, but you know, obviously, Annabelle is just an excellent horror image, so you can play a lot with that. The question is is that, you know, I think the film kind of understands that sometimes the anticipation of a doll moving is scarier than the movement itself. But the question becomes did they play on that too much?

Kris 9:08

Oh, for sure they did. Sean, absolutely.

Sean 9:11

Way too much, in my opinion. Because it's tough. On one hand, it has, like you said, a handful of maybe effective sequences, maybe some good scare sequences, one or two, maybe. The movie knows how to use the empty space, the obscured backgrounds, the silence, the loud noises, the sudden movements. Even if you see some of the scares coming, I think that the staging can still make certain moments pretty effective. But the story is just familiar, you know. Essentially, some kind of presence terrorizing a young family, strange things happen around the house, you know, the protagonist struggles to convince others that something is wrong. It's, you know, rinse and repeat. Not always bad if it's done really well. And it's not that this is done horribly, it's just that it is something that you're gonna you're gonna predict, you're gonna see a lot of this coming.

Kris 10:00

You're not wrong. And what's I think disappointing is the fact that this movie starts off really strong. I loved the beginning of this movie, and I think really that's kind of what held out for it throughout the entire ride. But this movie does have a lot of familiarity to it, which I think makes it very palatable and very safe for a lot of people to watch. If you enjoy period pieces but that are supernatural, I think if you like domestic-based horror, if you want stories that are centered on motherhood, I think this is a really great option. And I think if you need some if you're someone who needs surprises, if you need shock, if you don't watch supernatural horror because it feels a little repetitive and reductive, I think maybe this isn't gonna be your number one pick. It might be less effective there. But if you're looking to throw something on in October and you're someone who doesn't necessarily maybe watch horror all year long, or you're around others who don't, and you love a good demon story, I think this is an absolutely safe choice.

Sean 11:05

Yeah, for sure. I mean, that's true. For some people, this is gonna be probably pretty scary for the people that don't watch a lot of horror and are only consuming horror during this time of year. I gotta ask though, without giving anything away, and I don't remember what happens exactly in creation, but do you feel like the backstory of Annabelle was surprising at all?

Kris 11:26

Sean, one thing that I felt then and I still feel now, it feels convoluted.

Sean 11:31

Yeah, but I've been trying to remember all the events that happen in it.

Kris 11:34

If you watch Annabelle Creation, it essentially ends with the beginning of this movie. I honestly feel, Sean, we didn't need Annabelle Creation at all. I feel like we should have just had this movie. This movie is enough origin story for Annabelle for me.

Sean 11:47

If you're just into maybe supernatural horror, the conjuring completists, this is definitely something that you'll probably want to see if you haven't already, or put it on your list. I don't think this is the right movie for you if you are seeking a lot of originality, expecting even a killer doll movie, or if you're a gore lover that's just looking for brutal kills.

Kris 12:11

Oh, absolutely agreed. And speaking of which, how would you describe that gore score?

Sean 12:15

Annabelle has some blood and some violent moments for sure, but it's not interested in ripping people apart or making you lose your lunch. It's it's literally just interested in that supernatural tension. And I think the horror comes from the creepy atmosphere, the demonic scares, and the threat of what's lurking around the corner. So it really just earns this one a pretty low gore score.

Kris 12:38

And what about the animal report?

Sean 12:40

Well, it is actually safe. There were no animals harmed or depicted of harm throughout this movie.

Kris 12:46

Let's go ahead and get into our readings in Annabelle from 2014. Was it a hack or a slash?

Sean 12:51

Listen, Annabelle is one creepy-looking doll, let's face it. But apparently having a face that only a demon can love isn't enough to carry an entire movie. I think that there are moments where this film can get under your skin, and I appreciate the effort to expand the conjuring universe, but I think by the time the credits rolled, I was kind of left wondering if this story really needed to be told. It feels like a case of Hollywood seeing a memorable prop and immediately asking, how can we squeeze 90 minutes out of this thing? Annabelle feels like a movie that genuinely just exists because the doll was popular, not because anyone had a particularly compelling story to tell about her. It's honestly kind of a shame, I think, because the idea of a young family losing their sense of safety in their own home is genuinely unsettling, right? But there's a lot you could do with that premise, but the film, I feel like, never quite turns it into something distinctive. And I think even the ending feels more interested in connecting another dot in the conjuring universe than giving us a story that we'll remember. It's still an entertaining movie for what it's worth. If you want the vibe, it's got some spooky vibe, it's got the atmosphere, it's not a bad movie to watch around this time of year in October. And I wouldn't call it a complete waste of time, but this one is just one of those horror movies that feels pretty forgettable once you step away from it. And I think despite having a character that's practically built to haunt your dreams, the movie itself doesn't leave much of a nightmare behind. I did want more from a film centered on a doll that looks like it knows where you buried the bodies. It's just a genuinely creepy-looking doll. And Annabelle might have a killer look, but this movie probably should have stayed in the toy box because for me it's a it's unfortunately a hack.

Kris 14:39

I actually did not walk into this episode expecting this. No way. I thought this movie was fine. It wasn't particularly exciting, but it does do enough that makes me care enough to watch and stick along for the ride and still be invested. Because if this movie was centered on Ed and Lorraine Warren, I think I would have had an eye roll. This had scares that were very predictable. But what it did have in spades is atmosphere, a great setting, incredible music, the rosemary's baby DNA was felt throughout it for me. And the characters, particularly our main character, Mia, gave me a lot to hold on to. Even if the horror itself was uneven, this felt like a slow burn. While a lot of the things in this movie are very, very familiar, I also think that they are technically and objectively just well executed. What I appreciate is this film's ability to drop us in the middle of a time period where the Manson family was running rampant. We're in the immediate aftermath. There's concerns about cults and cult activity. There's a lot, at least in the opening of this movie, and you can see where there's a shift in how people are even viewing the world. And there's a lot of that nuanced character work that really makes me invested in who these people are. It's not a perfect movie by any means, but I also think it's still a slash. My proudest slash, but it's still a fine movie. And with that, Annabelle from 2014 has earned one hack and one slash. Now, while our scores are in, we're gonna take a quick break, and when we return, we're gonna get into the home invasion, the basement elevator, and the price this movie puts on saving a soul. Stay with us.

Break

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Spoiler Zone

Kris 18:42

Welcome back, folks. You're not entering the spoiler zone for Annabelle, which has earned one hack and one slash. Now, again, this is a spoiler zone, so fair warning. Everything in Annabelle is fair game from here on out. So let's kick things off with our sleigh by sleigh.

Sean 18:57

Yeah, the key thing to know is that this isn't a traditional body count horror movie. Most of the deaths happen, you know, off-screen or through supernatural events. So the kills are mostly functional to the story with little graphic detail, no elaborate practical effects showcases or things like that. There are a few here that we want to talk about, though. I want to start kicking it off with the Higgins parents.

Kris 19:23

I absolutely loved this scene, period, Sean. We had the news cast, and we acknowledged that the Tate and Labianka murders had just taken place. So the Manson family is in everyone's minds.

Sean 19:38

Yeah, I did really like the whole vibe and setup of that time period, being in the late 60s, having that on the background where they're talking about the Manson family, and just really kind of living in that space of what it might feel like to be seeing that on the news, you know, and living through that, or some kind of special, you know, on TV about that happening in that year or whatever.

Kris 20:01

Yeah, and I mean, listen, we could have gone straight into Pete and Sharon's house. They could have done that, and they didn't. Instead, we watched their attack and their demise through their bedroom window from a neighbor's house. And while that is a very interesting choice, what I think it does for me is create this horrible distance between violence and then the people who could help but are blissfully unaware. Mia suspects something. She hears a scream, even though she gets up and sees nothing, she could have absolutely just gone back to bed and man, it could have been a very different story from here on out. But I absolutely loved seeing Pete essentially tell his wife to go ahead and call the police and then just flick a blood over on the wall.

Sean 20:51

I also kind of enjoyed it, the whole setup to that, you know, leading in and easing into it with the whole Manson thing on TV and then going into that whole part where, you know, we see it, but she wakes up to the scream and we're seeing it from afar, which was a really kind of cool, different way to kind of showcase something like that or give us a kill in a horror movie. So definitely a pretty interesting choice, I think, paid off really well. And it's a it's a definitely a grim way to kick things off, but the movie definitely saves most of the actual violence for the next part of the attack. The murders that you know establish that these you know cultists are dangerous before the supernatural stuff actually takes over. And it's you know, obviously, when they are now entering Mia's house.

Kris 21:40

What a terrifying reality. So, one, we get to see Annabelle Higgins lurking in the nursery, and we later hear her whisper, I like your dolls. Wow, okay, Sean. This is one of the only moments that was effective for me because hearing That line, never seeing Annabelle, but hearing that line, it was very close and almost up there with Is Tamara home from the original Strangers for me. It was fucking unsettling. And the fact that we see Mia the entire time and she's like standing her ground, but also saying, please just take anything you want and get out. And we just see Annabelle's boyfriend come in from behind her.

Sean 22:25

Yeah, seeing Annabelle Higgins kind of lurking in the background, already looking like some kind of weird demonic entity, even though she was a physical person at this time, you know, and that whisper was really effective. But yeah, it's literally that moment where he like comes around and shanks her in the side of the stomach that was absolutely wild. And the attacks got brutal. I mean, absolutely brutal, really fast-paced, really violent for sure.

Kris 22:53

There's a lot of commotion, and throughout this entire time, we see that Mia is her vision starting to like fog and like haze a little bit. She's starting to get a little bit out of it. And just as this guy disarms, essentially John, like throws him against a wall, the cops come in as he's about to stab Mia, and it's about to get really fucking bad for her. But the the stress and the heartache and the trauma of also seeing this man get gunned down right in front of her. But this cannot be good for her blood pressure, obviously.

Sean 23:25

No way.

Kris 23:26

Exactly. And then the next moment that we see, she's being wheeled out on a stretcher. We then see Annabelle's dead body, cult symbol on the wall, written in blood, and then Annabelle the doll on the lap.

Sean 23:42

That was definitely intense. The blood that falls also that just drips onto the doll's face, marking kind of like the beginning of the haunting.

Kris 23:54

And into the eye.

Sean 23:56

Into the eye, of course, you know, something weird like that.

Kris 24:00

Sean, super fuck that. I don't care. Burn that shit, get rid of it. I don't want it in the house. I don't know how they go back to this house after all this fucking happens. No fucking way.

Sean 24:10

And keep that nursery. Like none of it feels good. But yeah, this is probably it's probably the opening's most memorable death because I think it serves two purposes. I think it it gives us a really disturbing image and it establishes that the doll's supernatural connection is there and you know the blood is visible, but the scene isn't really super graphic by like horror standards. It was a very effective way to showcase what's happening and how this kind of starts. I couldn't help but just really feel like you know, they really kind of just did a whole nother Chuck E thing. Yeah. I know there's more lore behind this, and we'll talk about it. There's more for sure, but my initial gut feeling, and maybe it's because we just got off of like Bride of Chucky, and I was revisiting that a little bit, but I'm just like, well, okay, Sean, we got we got off of Bride of Chucky, and I just finished saying at the top of this episode how the director worked on Child's Play 3. Did it have to be a person that did this ritual that had this event that now they are part of this doll? Or could it have just been a cursed item somehow? Like, you know, I kind of liked the ambiguous lore of this being this demonic cursed item, but not really. I don't know if I really needed to know that this was some cultist, random cultist, that just ran into somebody's house and slit her own throat, you know?

Kris 25:33

This is the fine line of some properties need more backstory and others don't. I think we could have done with a little less. I personally like it, so I'm not mad at it, but I do see your point. I mean, listen, when you've had Charles Lee Ray using voodoo to put himself in the body of a doll because of soul transference, I mean, I get it. I can see why you think it's it's not an original take.

Sean 25:55

Yeah, and you know, some people may really like it, and I'm not mad at that, but that's my initial reaction to it.

Kris 26:02

Sean, I'd really like to share with you and be vulnerable about a really dumb moment that I had watching this movie. Our next bout of violence is not actually a death, but it's almost a death, and it's Father Perez.

SPEAKER_00 26:14

Yeah.

Kris 26:15

So much suspense leading up to this between Annabelle's bloodshot eyes, as because he's now he's trying to get this doll out of their house. When he attempts to cross the threshold into the church, he is flung backwards on the concrete, and then the shot that we see is his hand outstretched towards Annabelle, the doll being on the ground. We see blood pulling from the corner. Sean, I really thought Father Perez was dead, and then I felt really dumb when I later realized, wait, no, he can't be dead because he's in the Curse of La Yorona.

Sean 26:48

Oh my I didn't even remember that, so you're good.

Kris 26:51

Well, it wasn't a good movie. Bless you, Linda Cartellini. I'm so glad you're getting your flowers with Crystal Lake because you are an incredible actress, but that movie was not it. I'm fairly sure they even retconned that movie from being in the Conjuring franchise officially.

Sean 27:04

They were like, we're not part of this.

Kris 27:06

But the Father Perez character makes another appearance in that movie and he references Annabelle Adal. Whether you like it or not, it's still there.

Sean 27:15

I think it just speaks to the unmemorable movies, you know? That's just how it is. But I get it, I did think he was genuinely dead gonna be dead too. I mean, the same thing as like I remember when I first watched this, I thought for sure her baby was gonna be dead. You know what I mean? Like I thought I thought for sure that she was gonna survive, but the baby was gonna be dead, or there's gonna be some weird shit that happens with that.

Kris 27:35

If they had committed harder to the bit, because there is this moment where she sees Annabelle the doll in the crib and she's beating the shit out of that doll. And then we later see still baby on the ground. We heard like a little bit of the noise. I thought, oh my god, James Wall, was I not familiar with your game? Are you actually gonna kill a baby right now? Leonetti, are you actually gonna direct a film in which a baby is that? I if you are, you're going fucking hard for Annabelle, and then that's a little intense for a conjuring franchise. But sure enough, it was a figment of imagination. It was just a manipulation, an illusion, a trick of the light.

Sean 28:13

Which you know, the demons like to play tricks on you for sure, but I can tell you, and most people that maybe have been listening to us for a while will probably also agree that like if they did go that far and that hard, that might have been slash territory for me. Just think about how gnarly that scene would have been, it would have amplified this movie to the next level.

Kris 28:35

Here's the thing, it's not that I want little Leah to pass at all. I'm so glad that she's okay. I think what we're alluding to here, Sean, is that there is an a lack of edge and a lack of darkness in this film. The conjuring franchise and by extension, Annabelle, feels a little safe. For a lot of demonic energy, it feels a little safe. We have like rinse and repeat paint by the numbers deaths, minimal at that, but it doesn't feel particularly dangerous, which is a crazy thing to say.

Sean 29:07

One of the final moments that we get, one of the final kills that we get with Evelyn's sacrifice, I think was a very interesting kill. I'm just thinking like none of that had to go down, unfortunately. I feel like it's sad but true. Mia considers sacrificing herself to save her baby because it's basically saying that if you, you know, if you sacrifice yourself and it's guiding her to the window to jump, then she can save her baby. But we all know that they're they're not gonna hold up to this, like they're just trying to get another person to do some crazy shit. And so they stop her. Evelyn and and her husband stop her, but then Evelyn's like, I'm gonna do it and sacrifice because she's also, you know, tormented by something that happened when she lost her kid. It's it's this whole thing, and she dies, but like for what? Because we all know that this fucking doll ain't done.

Kris 30:01

Yeah, she dies because she feels like this is her purpose. So she recalls hearing her daughter's voice, telling her that it's not her time, that she still has a purpose. And my god, I wish her purpose was to continue living on and just like having a good life and and loving others and and living in a lot of joy. Because for her to go the way that she did while I can honor a sacrifice, I just don't think it was necessary. Because also, why are you giving the demon what the demon wants?

Sean 30:29

Yeah, don't give into that shit. The tough thing for me, it's the film's most maybe significant death emotionally, but it does the movie earn the emotional payoff, you know what I mean? I don't know.

Kris 30:41

It's tough. What I will say though, having not seen this movie before, in the third act, when John is with the father in the hospital, and the father shares, oh, well, a baby can't offer its own soul. I thought for a second, are they trying to frame Evelyn as a red herring? Because Evelyn is there with her, but then she was wearing an all-white gown. And the last people to wear an all-white gown were the cultists in the beginning of the movie. So I was very pleased to see that they didn't do that. There was like this give and take there in the third act, where I thought that there was the potential for them to do things that were a little bit outside the box. It all stayed within the box.

Sean 31:23

Yeah, it got a little fishy for sure. That would have been a wild thing if she ended up being like maybe the leader of the cult or something, and but that would have been too much.

Kris 31:32

No, it would have been too much, and I wouldn't have liked it. And I was concerned that maybe that was the direction that they were going. So, what I can appreciate it is that there's a little bit of misdirection in there that I can appreciate. I mean, we got more misdirection earlier in the film when obviously those kids were drawing the pictures of a stroller getting hit by a green truck, and we had a lot of that visual misdirection when the camera refuses to show you anything that is not an extreme close-up of Mia on her face.

Sean 32:03

Yeah.

Kris 32:04

To obscure the fact that she's carrying Leah and Leah is not in the stroller.

Sean 32:07

Yeah. Another moment that I thought the baby was gone for sure. That's two times they faked me out on a baby death. This one wouldn't have been as good. This one would have been basically fucking pet cemetery, but that's okay.

Kris 32:20

Oh, yeah, no, you're right.

Sean 32:21

I'll tell you what I did like, and I'd argue maybe the strongest element of this film is its cinematography and probably the atmosphere that you're talking about, because I think the movie doesn't always have the strongest material to work with, but it does know how to make an ordinary room feel pretty fucking threatening. When you think of it like this movie understands, you know, this whole dark hallway, suspicious corner can do a lot of heavy lifting, especially, you know, in these horror movies. And I think the lighting and the framing keep you kind of looking for something lurking in the background, and the production design kind of gives you this convincing setting with that 60s vibe. Everything's a little dimmer, you know, things aren't as bright and vibrant with really bright lights. There's a lot of warm lights, a lot of dimmer lights, and I think it all adds to kind of the feel of this movie when you match it with the sound, it gives you some good stuff. So, you know, I think that the story might not be the most original thing in the toy box, but at least the filmmakers know how to make that toy box look terrifying.

Kris 33:24

And part of that is because, you know, as I mentioned, there's a lot of influence here from Rosemary's Baby. And Leonetti described how that film is so psychological and gives you moments where you have to really explore the entire frame. So a lot of the shots that are in here are shots that are sustained for a significantly longer period than you might expect because it's encouraging you to look at every single uh nook and cranny of the frame. Even some of the highlights in the shadows. Imagine this, right? I want to use this actually, this is a great example. When Mia is holding Leah after just rescuing her from the falling books, and we have Annabelle rising in the background, and she doesn't just rise, she starts to levitate. She is standing in front of curtains that look pitch black because of the lighting in the room.

SPEAKER_00 34:18

Yeah.

Kris 34:19

And yet, even within that, you have to see the subtle outline of a pitch black demon. It's not just the composition of it, but even how they're just carving out the faintest image in these shadows with lighting is just nuts.

Sean 34:33

That's a really good call out. And that is one of the cooler shots in the film for sure. That whole moment that you're talking about, because the sun puts everything out of focus, but gives you the perfect amount of lighting. It's just creepy enough. And you don't even notice until I don't know, it took me a second to notice until we got on the close-up that we were seeing this demon behind Annabelle.

Kris 34:55

Now, one scene that I also really, really appreciated, and this is where I was getting to earlier of like, okay, the things that I found personally intimidating or f or frightening. There's a moment where Mia is on her sewing machine watching TV, and then also the Jiffy Pop is going.

Sean 35:13

Yeah.

Kris 35:13

And I absolutely love that we got another Jiffy Pop scene in horror that isn't screamed from 1996.

Sean 35:22

Ah, good. Good stuff. Yeah.

Kris 35:24

Okay, so Annabelle is out here with a demon, is out here turning on all the burners. The jiffy pop is going. And it's not just that we get and see that Mia is sewing and is a little distracted. It's that we expect in the almost final destination like event, we expect that she's gonna start sewing into her entire fucking finger. So when she only nicks it, it was like a great relief for me.

SPEAKER_00 35:51

Yeah.

Kris 35:52

But I grew up so afraid watching my mom use her sewing machine because that needle looks so fucking painful. And when I was on the ship, our TV studio on the ship where I was working was very close to the embroidery shop where the bosun's mates would like do all the fucking embroidering on like ball caps and uniforms, etc. I saw someone who actually, like this is like an industrial-sized embroiderer, fucking got their finger caught in there. So those things freak me the fuck out. You could not pay me to sew. And you could not pay me to get near a sewing machine in a fucking horror movie.

Sean 36:28

I have an old sewing machine in my garage right now.

Kris 36:30

Of course you do. You and Binks both. Jesus Christ.

Sean 36:34

I think it also just did a really great job at just building the tension because you are sitting there with the close-ups constantly going back to the sewing machine and her fingers so close to it and such a close-up of it that yeah, you're just thinking the whole time, oh my god, you're bracing for her to nick her finger. You're you're bracing for it the whole time, and it's constantly building tension. So I agree, not because I'm scared of that stuff or because I have any history with sewing machines, but just because it actually did an effective job at building tension.

Kris 37:07

Some of the best tension in the movie, outside of I like your dolls, and then being trapped in a fucking basement.

Sean 37:12

Yeah, for sure. But the basement in the elevator was, you know, kind of a fun scene. I thought it was pretty fun. And the the funny thing is, is that we really don't even see anything, you know, that much or at all in this whole scene. But I do think that it was kind of fun. I think, you know, Mia's going into the which is I don't know. I don't I guess I haven't lived in that many apartment buildings, but to have a basement storage area like that that looks like a bunch of like cages in the dark seems like a really strange thing. Maybe that's was more common back then, or maybe it's like a city thing. I have no idea.

Kris 37:49

Listen, Sean, it was the 60s. What are you gonna do?

Sean 37:52

Yeah, I mean, it's probably like parking garages now, but uh dang, that was absolutely wild. So, you know, the I the poor lighting just added to it. Of course, the the thing that I thought was really well done is obviously she sees like this this whole thing, she starts to hear these things, she sees this thing, she sees that old stroller or whatever, and she's getting freaked out, and she runs back to the elevator, closes the elevator, has this moment of relief. Like she's like, Great, I'm done. And then it opens and she's not even paying attention, and she goes to walk out and notices that she's still on the same floor, and so she freaks out, goes back in, and it keeps fucking with her like this. And I it was actually a pretty fun moment for for this movie.

Kris 38:41

And it keeps going and going and going, and then eventually she just has to run right through it. Sean, the trick here is when you have this happen to you, hold down the number of the floor that you're going to and hold down the closed door button, it'll force the elevator to go up.

Sean 38:58

Unless the entity is stopping the elevator from going up.

Kris 39:02

Then I think you have bigger problems, quite frankly.

Sean 39:05

That's true.

Kris 39:06

Again, horror movies show you between this, between Resident Evil, I just went to go see crawlers in theater. There's a final destination movie involving an elevator.

Sean 39:16

That's true.

Kris 39:16

Lots of good reasons to just avoid elevators.

Sean 39:19

Yeah. Stairs are a good choice, sometimes the safest choice. Another moment that I thought was kind of fun, not like super scary, like it may get a lot of people, to be honest with you, but it's the moment where Mia's getting messed with and sees little Annabelle Higgins running through the house and trips her eventually. She's chasing her through the house. One thing led to another, and she was in a room, turns around and notices little Annabelle Higgins from across the hall in the other room, and the door is like halfway shut almost, and the kid starts running towards her, but as she bursts through the door, she turns into the grown Annabelle Higgins, which was kind of effective and like charges at her, and she gets really scared. What a great reaction that Mia had as a character. A lot of good emotion there.

Kris 40:12

Let me also just tell you that the woman who plays Mia in this film reminded me of two different people the entire time. That was Diana Agron from Glee and Jessica Roth from Happy Death Day. But this actress is named Annabelle Wallace. Funny to be an Annabelle starring in a movie called Annabelle, and for you yourself to not be the Annabelle. You may have also seen her in the Tom Cruise Mummy, or maybe you didn't, because don't see that fucking movie. It's terrible.

Sean 40:42

Oh my god, I forgot she was in that. That's so true.

Kris 40:44

She's also a malignant.

Sean 40:46

But a great character in this movie, nonetheless. Definitely, I think when you think of what this character is, I think you, you know, you can definitely relate. She's a she's a caring, determined mother. She's vulnerable. She's very vulnerable in this movie. She's, I think, you know, she is a good protagonist. I think that Mia gives this film its emotional center. The horror becomes, I think, way more personal because she's not just trying to save herself, she's trying to keep her child safe, which I think is always something that adds a little bit to these types of films. She was just a good compelling protagonist, I would say.

Kris 41:23

Yeah, I absolutely adored her, and I absolutely adored the fact that she didn't just roll over and give in to John anytime that he crossed her. So for example, there was a moment where they're discussing just how she's feeling, and she hits it back with a quote of, You know that being a doctor doesn't make you an expert on everything, right? Which I absolutely appreciated because John was pissing me the fuck off throughout this movie. Then he would have moments of like, okay, no, you actually seem like a nice guy, just a little bit of an idiot sometimes. And then goes right back to pissing me off again. I'm just like, I'm fucking over this guy. Yeah. But Mia's range between her moments of joy to her moments of just coming undone and unraveled, but still being so fucking strong to try to keep this shit together. I absolutely loved her.

Sean 42:13

Yeah, no, she was definitely good, but I agree with you with John. Her husband as a character, it is kind of back and forth, right? Like in one end, I think John provides this kind of grounded contrast to Mia's, you know, frightening experiences, but he does have some skepticism, which sometimes feels understandable. He wants to believe. You can kind of see like he is supportive in a way, you know. He he's not like 100% doubting her, but then there are moments where his skepticism becomes a little bit frustrating when Mia is clearly terrified. So he sometimes feels like the standard horror movie husband who needs the extra evidence before accepting the obvious, but it is a tough thing because he isn't like the worst that we've gotten. And so is John being reasonably skeptical, or does this movie keep him in denial just to prolong the conflict? I don't know.

Kris 43:06

Well, you know what, Sean? Here's how I feel about that. The worst that we see of John happens before any of the shit even goes wrong, and that is when he makes her pregnancy his wife and his baby sound like an inconvenience to his career. That's where it is. You better make very clear that you're talking about your residency and not the wife and child that you have here in your home. I absolutely not. No. So that that was one thing. He's at worst someone who centers himself over his family. At best, a guy who's a little bit of a buffoon and doesn't fucking choose his words wisely, doesn't think before he speaks, which is also problematic for someone who wants to be a doctor, I would say. But in addition to that, what kills me is that for all the good that he does in terms of wheeling the TV and getting her her snacks or her cravings, all these little like superficial gestures of love and support, he undermines. It by not listening to her, by not respecting what she's saying, and then having the fucking audacity to then say, I love you, I'll always believe you. You spent this whole movie not believing her. What are you talking about? Where he did listen was when she said, Oh, I can't go back in that house. I'm not gonna go back in that house. He didn't do what we've seen from shitty horror dads in the past and said, Well, we got too much sunk in this, so we're gonna have to deal with it.

SPEAKER_00 44:30

Yeah.

Kris 44:31

Okay, good for you. I'm so glad you didn't do that bare minimum fucking treatment. But it doesn't make you fucking great.

Sean 44:40

He did also decide to go on a business trip mid-pregnancy or pretty late in the pregnancy, which seems like just a really bad decision, no matter what the circumstances.

Kris 44:49

And I know that you're also in a situation here, sir, where you have to navigate your residency and getting all this done. But what other options are there? Or could you not have arranged for literally anybody in your family to stay with your pregnant wife if this is something that you had to do? You all just got attacked by a cultist in your house in the middle of the night. Your wife is on bed rest.

Sean 45:14

Get a nursed or something? Like, there's come on. That was that one got me.

Kris 45:19

I understand that like for work, not everything is always a choice. There are other choices that could have been made in the periphery of this obligation that could have made this go very, very differently. So also, if you're not gonna hook the popcorn, take it off the fucking stove. Why'd you leave it sitting there?

Sean 45:36

That's also his fault.

Kris 45:37

Yeah. Okay, sorry. Enough about John. I'm just gonna sit here and trash this man who was also kind of nice in a lot of moments.

Sean 45:44

I know it's tough. Interesting dynamic, this this couple in this movie. We talked, you know, about Evelyn a little bit already. We talked about Father Perez a little bit. And I think what's interesting for me, like just to kind of touch a little bit more on Annabelle as a character, Annabelle the doll, I should say, as a character, is you know, we know that this doll now becomes a conduit for this demonic entity that's unleashed. And what I think, you know, obviously we have touched on already, is the doll's kind of grotesque design is is very memorable. It's the reason, there's a reason why we got a spin-off basically of this doll. It's because the look is scary as hell. Like I can just look at the cover for this movie and not be okay. I don't like looking at this doll for too long. But the problem with me is the doll itself has very little personality because the real antagonist is the demon that's using it. So the movie now relies on the doll's appearance as an icon more than it develops the mythology behind it. And so the problem is, is Annabelle actually the villain in this movie, or is Annabelle basically a demonic Airbnb for a much nastier tenant?

Kris 47:00

Yeah, I love the idea of the Airbnb. I think she's a DLC cosmetic that got downloaded by Satan, and that's about it.

Sean 47:10

Yeah, but that like, does it do it any favors? You know, for a movie called Annabelle and the doll being the center showcase of this thing, did it do it any favors to really take more away from the from the doll itself?

Kris 47:22

The other problem that I have with this, Sean, and and maybe this is because I grew up around a lot of porcelain dolls that do look really fucking creepy. Why is this doll still being purchased? This doll, I get it, was a collector's item, but it's damaged. It's damaged goods, it's dirty, and nobody is trying to restore this fucking thing.

Sean 47:42

It looks so creepy by the end of this. Now, I get how it could have been purchased when Mia got it as a gift because it didn't look nearly as bad, but we're talking about this doll now looks so deranged. The literally the it the glassy eyes and just the dirtiness of it, the raggedness of it, the evilness of the of the face now pops out more. And you're telling me somebody's just gonna walk into an antique shop and be like, yeah, this is the thing that I need to buy. Anyone buying this doll has problems. I'm just saying it right now.

Kris 48:18

Fucking terrible, man. Fucking terrible. No, thank you.

Sean 48:22

But I will say I think the best thing Annabelle has going for it, and I said it earlier, is the atmosphere. This it's the the cinematography at all, the shadows, the the creepy apartment setting. You can throw Annabelle the doll in there as well. That's just a hideous doll to look at. And and I think when you mix it all together, you feel like something terrible could happen at any moment. And you know, I think that you know, Woodard brings some genuine heart to the story. So, you know, I okay, I I can get there, and and there's a good horror movie hiding in there somewhere. I just unfortunately it feels like maybe the demon got to the screenplay before the filmmakers could finish it, but they had a good look going for it. If looks could kill.

Kris 49:06

I think it's hilarious that you said a demon beat them to the screenplay. That's kind of fucked up. Listen, I I've gone on about the worst part of this movie for me, which is John, although not the worst horror husband we've ever seen. My god, he just made a lot of this movie insufferable. But overall, I'm happy to show that that is in no way impeding me from ever watching this again. And in fact, what I am open to, and it's not gonna be anytime soon, I'm gonna take a little break. What I'm excited to do is to do a walkthrough of Annabelle Creation, Annabelle, then Annabelle Comes Home. I feel like I just I've never seen Annabelle Comes Home either, so I feel like I just have to stack them all up. Why would I have seen it? I didn't watch the first animal.

Sean 49:47

I don't know, I guess that's true.

Kris 49:48

Okay, so here's what I'm thinking, Sean. We do a watch along commentary, and we'll both watch all three movies back to back to back.

Sean 49:58

Just blitz them.

Kris 49:59

Just blitz them, because at some point we gotta make sense of it. But until then, folks, for now, Annabelle in 2014 has earned one hack and one slash. Now we certainly had a robust discussion here, but the conversation about this movie doesn't end here by any means.

Sean 50:16

Yeah, what did you think about Annabelle? Did it elevate the franchise? Did we miss anything? We want to know what you think. You can join in on the conversation on our Discord, our subreddit. You can find the links in our show notes. And if you want to find out how you can go even further than this episode, consider supporting the show by visiting patreon.com slash hackerslash because this is where you can enjoy even more of the show, including bonus content with early access, extended episodes with our B-sides, which are free sides through the spooky season. You can take part in movie nominations and of course live shows.

Kris 50:52

See you next time, folks, and remember, crazy

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Kris 50:55

people do crazy things.

Sean 50:57

Well, maybe one day we can all be friends.

Kris 51:08

Alright, Sean, how much do you actually know about the doll upon which this story is based?

Sean 51:15

Well, I can tell you what I know 100%, and it this doll does not look scary at all. It's a fucking Raggedy Ann doll. That's what I do know.

Kris 51:23

Yeah, how John Carpenter was able to feature Raggedy Ann in Halloween 1978, and then we're also able to do it again in Halloween Resurrection is beyond fucking me. But they couldn't get it for Annabelle, they couldn't get it for the conjuring franchise.

Sean 51:37

Would this have even worked with a Raggedy Ann doll? Like, I don't, I don't know. I just am looking at Raggedy Ann right now, and I'm like, this is not it. I'm not scared of this doll at all.

Kris 51:47

Yeah, so to be clear, the real Annabelle, to Sean's point, is a plain classic Raggedy Ann with red yarn hair. And after they couldn't get the licensing for Raggedy Ann, they made the porcelain doll to also create the image of a more horror movie friendly entity creature.

Sean 52:09

And I think that was the right choice, to be honest with you. But I know that there's a lot of lore around this doll. I know that you know there are things that happen when people have tried to move this doll.

Kris 52:19

Alright, so let's let's actually get into this lore. And I also want to point out that this story is it has various slight differences and accounts as you go. Everything that we're about to discuss is what the Warrens have shared as an account. And we have already discussed and Lorraine Warren at length in Anauseum on our conjuring episodes. So take this with a big ol' fucking grain of salt. But essentially, the story goes a 28-year-old nurse received a doll as a birthday gift from her mother. That's where what happens at the end of this movie that we just saw. Older tellings say the mother bought at a second-hand store, but Donna is the nurse, and Donna shared the apartment with a roommate named Angie. Now, they reported that the doll changed position on its own. So Donna and Angie began finding it on the couch after they left it locked in Donna's room. That's fucking creepy.

Sean 53:21

Yeah. I mean, anytime something shows up in the different place is not right for sure.

Kris 53:26

Yeah. What this could have also been was a s a strange person in their apartment doing things to fuck with him.

Sean 53:31

True.

Kris 53:32

If you've seen Carrie, you've also heard a little bit of this from Mr. Billy Nolan. The other element that they reported were notes. So there were messages in a child's handwriting that appeared on parchment reading help us and help Lou. That detail is particularly odd because the women say that they never owned parchment paper.

Sean 53:54

Also odd because Raggedy Ann doesn't have fingers.

Kris 53:58

Nope, sure doesn't, but demons don't need doll fingers. They also said that the doll appeared to leak blood.

Sean 54:05

Nasty.

Kris 54:06

Super nasty. We hate a doll with a menstrual cycle. Now, after about a month of all this going on, Donna contacted a medium. And the medium said the doll held the spirit of a dead seven-year-old girl named Annabelle. Later retellings give her surname as Higgins, and they say that she was found dead in the field where the apartment complex was built. And the roommates gave the spirit permission to inhabit the doll. And the warrants say things got worse from there.

Sean 54:33

Okay.

Kris 54:34

Now there's Lou. So I mentioned earlier there were some notes that said help Lou. Lou is a friend who distrusted the doll. And in one account, he actually woke up paralyzed and choking with the doll gliding up his body. In another, he felt a sharp pain across his chest after hearing someone behind him. The retellings describe seven claw marks, three vertical and four horizontal, which reportedly healed within two days. No, superficial shit. So after that, that's when the Warrens start getting involved. So Donna contacted an Episcopal priest named Father Hagen, who passed the case of Father Cook, who then called Ed and Lorraine Warren. The Warrens obviously then interviewed everyone. Father Cook then performed an Episcopal blessing, described as an exorcism on the apartment. And then Donna asked the Warrens to take that fucking doll with them.

Sean 55:30

And then they've just had it in their possession ever since.

Kris 55:34

Mm-hmm. But listen, you've seen the story. Do you know anything about what the Warrens experienced with Annabelle?

Sean 55:46

Not really. Not not truthfully, or at least not from what we get in the franchise.

Kris 55:51

So according to the Warrens, when they had the doll with them in the car, the car stalled and swerved on the drive home.

Sean 55:58

Oh sick. That's what I'm saying. Like I didn't know that specific detail, but I knew that there was shit that happens when people try to move this doll around. Even to today. Didn't the person that was like taking this fucking thing on tour like something weird happen to this dude?

Kris 56:13

Yeah, so there's been a lot that's been happening with Annabelle as of late, especially because the Warren's home and museum was sold. Annabelle essentially went on a tour. It's a national tour. And there's been rumors that some people said like the Annabelle went missing during the tour. That wasn't necessarily accurate, but Annabelle's handler at the time was Dan Rivera. Dan Rivera was a US Army veteran who was from Connecticut, began attending Lorraine Warren's lectures. He worked with her in her final years, and he was named NESPR Lead Investigator in 2011. So he was a reputable pillar of the community. And he sadly passed away in his hotel room during the tour. Not with Annabelle, not anything of that nature. The coroner really revealed that it was cardiac related and natural because he had a known history of heart issues. It's sad. It's fucking terrible for his family.

Sean 57:15

Yeah, for sure.

Kris 57:16

Now, my belief about some of the copious amounts of bullshit that the Warrens have spun are in no way related to this man. There are a couple other things that have been claimed. So one, there was a priest who mocked Annabelle as harmless. Lorraine warned him to drive carefully, and he reportedly had a near fatal crash that totaled his new car. And in a 1987 talk, the warren said a priest who insulted the doll ran his car into a tree.

Sean 57:46

Okay, so you know, this is given isn't this giv this is given some like Robert the Doll kind of stuff.

Kris 57:51

See, that's what I'm fucking saying. I mean my aunt had a weird experience with Robert the Doll.

Sean 57:56

Yeah, don't talk to ask permission.

Kris 58:00

Ask permission. Don't call him out of the street.

Sean 58:03

Disrespect, yeah, don't disrespect the doll.

Kris 58:06

Another story goes that a young museum visitor heard about Lou. So again, Lou was the guy who had all the claw marks. And this motorcyclist banged on the case and dared the doll to scratch him. And the Warrens later claimed that he crashed his motorcycle on the way home and died instantly.

Sean 58:24

That's true. I mean, there's only one way to find out.

Kris 58:27

But Sean, do you know where Annabelle is right now?

Sean 58:30

Where is Annabelle right now?

Kris 58:31

Annabelle's in Salem.

Sean 58:33

Oh really?

Kris 58:33

Mm-hmm. Uh-huh. Okay. Yeah, there is a new museum. It opened on August 27, 2026. It has 13 rooms. There is admission starting at like 66 bucks. Well, $66.60. And it is leased through December 23rd.

Sean 58:50

Couldn't be better. The wife of Annabelle literally getting fame.

Kris 58:53

Would you actually go visit Annabelle?

Sean 58:55

I would for sure. If I could get to Salem to see, I mean, I wouldn't go in there mocking Annabelle. I would be respectful, but I would definitely go see the doll.

Kris 59:05

Because you respect women because you're such a feminist.

Sean 59:07

And I respect the entities, you know. I'm just trying to vibe, you know.

Kris 59:12

So you also respect Robert, got it.

Sean 59:13

Yeah, Robert, I'm not going. I'm just gonna go say what's up, ask if I can take a picture, you know. That's all. I highly doubt I'll be able to, but if I was able to go to Salem before the end of December, that would be kind of dope.

Kris 59:24

What's stopping you, Sean? Don't let your dreams be dreams.

Sean 59:27

It's not that far-fetched, you know. Could spend a little weekend trip. Not bad.

Kris 59:32

In this museum. They even have a bypass corridor for anyone who wants to skip the Annabelle room.

Sean 59:38

Nice. I mean, that's safe.

Kris 59:40

Oh, damn. And this October they have a VIP photo experience with the doll and Bonnie Ahrens who played the nun. The Haunted Warren Museum. Oh no, I'm gonna give you the this looks like a Chat GPT graphic of a website if I've ever seen one.

Sean 59:54

It's a museum full of the Warren stuff.

Kris 59:58

Yeah.

Sean 59:58

Okay, I could get behind that.

Kris 1:00:00

Okay, flashlight experience starting at 6660. Encounter the real Annabelle and explore the Haunted Warren Museum filled with more than a thousand haunted objects, cursed artifacts, true crime items, and occult relics through an immersive self-guided flashlight experience.

Sean 1:00:14

You have to go in with a flashlight?

Kris 1:00:17

Paranormal investigation experience. Hey, Sean, we could do this.

Sean 1:00:21

We could definitely do this.

Kris 1:00:22

Only available November to December. Explore the Haunted Warren Museum during a three and a half hour paranormal investigation experience that includes a photo with a real Annabelle. Get familiar with investigation equipment, take a museum walkthrough, and then begin your investigation with guides available to help. Your experience includes a flashlight, special gifts, and a photo with Annabelle taken by our team and delivered digitally by the end of the evening.

Sean 1:00:43

That could be kind of fun, actually.

Kris 1:00:45

It's only $250.

Sean 1:00:47

That's not bad. Might be worth it.

Kris 1:00:48

Let's go ghost hunt.